Nice whip, wack flag

[Vitruvian]

I love the car...But...

Can someone please tell me what the point in sporting a confederate flag is. I mean jeez, its the losing side, Is it supposed to show that one is prejudice or dislike black folks? Can someone please fill me on this?

[Makkah]

Holy hillbilly.

I hate white people.

[StrayRogue]

Why the fuck is this in General Gemstone?

[Vitruvian]

Ill tell you why, because thats where I wanted to put it. Now can you stop being a little bitch and respond to the post or go elsewhere?:banghead:

[StrayRogue]

Where you want to put things means shit, Captain Retard. I'm pretty sure this will be moved by one of the mods sooner or later to a folder more appropriate for this threads inane topic matter. Other than that I'm going to continue providing the same degree of decent interaction you do in Gemstone - which would be nothing short of annoying and juvenile.

[Vitruvian]

Well put, are you feeling relieved now. :loser:

[Jolena]

Seems where the fuck you wanted to put it, didn't work out too well with the Mods. :loser: :lol:

[StrayRogue]

Pwned.

[Vitruvian]

Well thanks to the Mods... looks good now. Aany comments concerning the topic? Or are you gonna stay the nerds you are and cry like bitches, my goodness, your pathetic...

[Brattt8525]

Why do you post, act and sound like a couple of our undesirable posters that are now gone?

[Makkah]

LOL. Vitruvian just got served, dancing chicken style.

[StrayRogue]

Learn the language before you butcher it please. You fucking cretin (that means idiot).

[Jolena]

I'm pretty much thinking we're going to keep annoying you. For all your crying, it sure seems like it's you who's the whiny bitch rather then us. :heart:

[StrayRogue]

Good. I'm sure no one will give a shit that when you don't come back either.

[Jolena]

:bye:

[Vitruvian]

Guess you all sport the losing side...

[peam]

You're supposed to be gone.

Send Kranar a U2U. I'm sure he'll be more than glad to delete your account.

Don't let the door hit you, on the way out.

Eh, to each their own for the Confederate flag, people just need to remember that the Civil War wasn't fought mainly for slavery. That was more of a backdrop issue, if anything.

- Arkans

[Vitruvian]

Why do folks still sport the confederate flag? It is the losing side after all. Is it a form of prejudice?

[Warriorbird]

:rolls eyes:

[StrayRogue]

Because you have genital warts.

[Warriorbird]

It's an attempt to make themselves feel better about being rednecks...a pride thing. Alternately, it never sunk in that the Confederacy lost. Or, they're Dukes of Hazzard fans.

[peam]

Originally posted by Arkans
Eh, to each their own for the Confederate flag, people just need to remember that the Civil War wasn't fought mainly for slavery. That was more of a backdrop issue, if anything.

- Arkans

Right, it was fought over the South's 'economy.'

[Vitruvian]

:yeahthat:

More so over the fact that the south supported "states rights" and the North wanted a stronger centralized government.

- Arkans

[peam]

What kind of states' rights would we be talking about? Slavery, mayhaps?

Actually, no. It was more about taxation. The South was getting killed by all the taxes and tariffs that were getting passed by the North and it was really keeping them backwards. The South wanted to change this. Slavery was just another way to divide the two, but saying that was the main reason is a little silly to say the least.

- Arkans

[Vitruvian]

Ah true... But Im not understanding. I mean, you only see it on old pickup trucks or the heads of a cheap looking hick. I wanna hit em when I do. It angers me for some odd reason.

[peam]

Most people ballsy enough to wear that shit out in public would tie your ass in knots, if you swung at them.

[Edited on 3-20-2005 by peam]

Why? It's their right. I just tend to ignore them. Freedom of expression and all.

- Arkans

[Vitruvian]

Not if I catch em walking out of their run-down hick bar.!

They'd still kill you.

- Arkans

[Vitruvian]

At least I know for a fact I could beat the living shit out of you, Peam, you fat round!:moon2:

[Edited on 3-20-2005 by Vitruvian]

[HarmNone]

Stay on topic, please. Let's not get into threatening each other. It's stupid.

[Warriorbird]

You looked about the least built of your entire group photo. Peam, in turn, not being obsessed with his own personal appearance (and scamming newbies in GS), probably knows a few tricks.

Dear God, did you just threaten someone over the internet? Fucking idiot.

- Arkans

[Vitruvian]

Yes I believe I did. Fucking mod Nazi!!

[Edited on 3-20-2005 by Vitruvian]

[peam]

:lol:

[Sean]

Originally posted by Vitruvian
Not if I catch em walking out of their run-down hick bar.!

Anyone stupid enough to wait for someone outside a bar filled with liked minded people as the person they intend to beat up deserves the ass kicking they'll most likely get.

Honestly I can't say I care if someone wears the confederate flag or has one. Thats their business and they can have whatever belief they want, until they try and impose that belief on me anyway.

[Edited on 3-20-2005 by Tijay]

[Miss X]

Jesus Christ do us all a favor and sit on your hands for a while.

[Jolena]

Or he could do as he said earlier.. :whistle:

[Hulkein]

A lot of people have it because they like their heritage.

Sure some people use it because they're racist, but not everyone.

[Azul]

The only people who have that flag are hicks and I don't interact with hicks so it doesn't bother me.

[Hulkein]

That'd be incorrect, Azul.

[Azul]

uhh..How so? That's my personal experience from living in Tennessee for 4 years.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah. Rednecks from outside the south don't like it when they're called out on it.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Azul
uhh..How so? That's my personal experience from living in Tennessee for 4 years.

Weird, you post doesn't say anything about your personal experience. It just says matter of factly anyone with a Confederate flag is a hick.

[Azul]

Sorry I'm still working on my autobiography book deal. Wanna pre-order it? j/k I guess I could of said that's my personal experience in my first post but either way it's your opinion vs mine.

Jesus. You're one of the biggest fucking idiots ever.

[Azul]

Originally posted by RangerD1
Jesus. You're one of the biggest fucking idiots ever.

Are you refering to me?

Heh no

[Azul]

ahh ok just making sure. :)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This new guy reminds me of Stainley. I think Peam should beat him with a railroad tie. And don't worry V, I think anyone who wears a "Black Power" shirt is just as ignorant as our confederate flag friends.

:(

[Warriorbird]

I'm sorry.

[Snapp]

I have yet to see anyone sporting a Confederate flag that isn't a hick and/or racist.

[Vitruvian]

:ohshit: :yeahthat:

[Souzy]

Originally posted by Makkah
Holy hillbilly.

I hate white people.

LOL me too, especially the ones in TN, har har. :heart:

Is this dude Sean or some new guy? I haven't been paying attention to the boards really.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Snapp
I have yet to see anyone sporting a Confederate flag that isn't a hick and/or racist.

I have.

[Warriorbird]

Gosh. Must've been a unique and novel experience.

[Killer Kitten]

My Boston-born Jewish husband had a cap with the Confederate flag that he just loved. It was a gift from a GS friend who lived in Virginia.

He wore it everywhere until it somehow found its way into the cat room and got peed on. Oopsie!

Our Virginia friend always referred to himself as a hick, but he's a very well-read business owner. He is very proud of his Southern heritage and that's what the flag means to him.

He went to Simucon with us one year and happily shared driving, meals, and a hotel suite with us. He and his wife refer to us as his 'Damn Yankee' friends, but it's obvious that the reference is a joke. I daresay that neither of them are actually anti-Yankee, or anti-Semitic.

[Hulkein]

Looks like my experience isn't so unique.

Don't rush to be so narrow-minded.

[Syberus]

and i'm retarded

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Syberus]

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Vitruvian
Ah true... But Im not understanding. I mean, you only see it on old pickup trucks or the heads of a cheap looking hick. I wanna hit em when I do. It angers me for some odd reason.

I want to hit wannabe guido boyz who shop at TJ MAX outlets in Miami but that doesn't make me right in thinking so.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Azul
The only people who have that flag are hicks and I don't interact with hicks so it doesn't bother me.

Very intelligent blanket statement. I believe the confederate flag is sported more so to state that you're a rebel or "Rebellious".

However anyone that flashes a peace sign is a hippie pot head.

[Warriorbird]

Eh. I'm sorry, Hulkein, you may've had a loving accepting Confederate flag experience, but that's never what it's represented in mine. I've lived in the South for about 20 out of my 25 years.

I've known pleanty of people that sported the confederate flag that wern't hicks or rednecks (two types of people I dislike). Sometimes it is used as REBEL. That was the highschool team name in the town next to mine and they did the confederate flag deal.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

In Massachusetts some folks in addition to a former Presidential candidate apparently don't have a clue.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Hulkein]

A lot of group symbols represent both good and bad.

I had a few black kids I was friends with in HS who used to have the picks with the black fist in their hair.

That's a symbol that can be good or bad. It all depends on the person.

[Warriorbird]

Whole hell of a lot different than a Confederate flag. I guess you can't really grasp that however.

[Hulkein]

No, not much.

And yes, I can.

You're just as white as me, bossman. Listening to rap and going out of your way to show you're down with black culture doesn't mean anything.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Hulkein]

[Warriorbird]

Completely. I can distinguish the difference the difference between the rebelliousness of a black power symbol from a movement that might've fueled a few riots....

from the deep "rebelliousness" of an aristocratic society that just happened to hold slaves and a symbol that's been a part of white supremacy and racism for a long damn time.

But then again, what's history.

So we're reaching down to bashing now? I'm sure most of those folks wouldn't know they were being ignorant hicks even if they were. Then again, maybe they're the sneering down the nose type of folks who kept the Confederate flag over the South Carolina statehouse. Or maybe they're just really dumb.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Hulkein]

The lives lost 40 or so years ago to riots are just as valuable as lives lost 200 years ago due to slavery.

The Confederate flag is still on the state flags. If they were widely viewed as insulting and representative of slavery, they'd be gone by now.

And even when/if they are gone (as I will readilly admit it's not the best thing to have on a Union state flag) they still represent a lot more than slavery to a whole lot of people.

Saying anyone who owns one is a hick is a terrible generalization.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Hulkein]

[Hulkein]

And no, I wasn't aware I was bashing you.

[Warriorbird]

Bullshit.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe black militarism occurred because America was pretty fucking racist?

Segregation was pretty damn recent. Some of those lovely Republican congressmen I'm sure you support were segregationists, as were a few Democrats.

Using it as a symbol of "rebelliousness" is stupid and ignorant. Using it as a symbol of "Southern pride" actively sets the South backwards.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Using it as a symbol of "rebelliousness" is stupid and ignorant. Using it as a symbol of "Southern pride" actively sets the South backwards. Do you think symbols of black pride have different effects?

[Hulkein]

<< Using it as a symbol of "rebelliousness" is stupid and ignorant. Using it as a symbol of "Southern pride" actively sets the South backwards >>

In your opinion.

[Warriorbird]

Yes, because obviously the plantation economy is what the South needs! And aristocracies are so very rebellious. Get real. Stop rationalizing.

[Hulkein]

<< Did it ever occur to you that maybe black militarism occurred because America was pretty fucking racist? >>

How does that make it right?

WWII Germany occurred because of bad things done to them.

Does that give it a pass?

[Warriorbird]

So... in your opinion... you equate Black Panthers with Nazis.

And think that Black Panther symbols are less offensive than the Confederate flag.

I'm sure it's a good worldview for you.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Yes, because obviously the plantation economy is what the South needs! And aristocracies are so very rebellious. Get real. Stop rationalizing.

Well the colonist did rebel against England for what they believed...they were different how?

[GSLeloo]

Do you realize the colonies were almost more conservative after the rebellion than Europe was?

[Warriorbird]

I'd equate them a lot more to Black Panthers than I would the Confederate South.

[Makkah]

<<I had a few black kids I was friends with in HS >>

That struck me as funny.

[Hulkein]

I'm not comparing the two, I'm asking you a question.

Does being put under less than ideal conditions excuse the murdering of others?

I think both symbols can cause a feeling of pride or anger. It all depends on the person wearing them.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Makkah
<<I had a few black kids I was friends with in HS >>

That struck me as funny.

Not a few black friends as in 'I KNOW BLACKS, I CAN SPEAK FOR THEM.'

Don't cut out the rest of the sentence, the context was 'I knew people who wore the black panther pick.' It's relevent seeing as some may be offended by it, some may not. It all depends.

I'm having trouble seeing what you found funny in it though, unless you were just struggling with reading it in context.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Hulkein]

[Back]

I see no problem with expressing it. Just understand, you are labeled not only as a slave owner, but also a loser.


:loser:

[Hulkein]

My argument is simple.

Not everyone who owns a Confederate flag/symbol is a racist, hick, hillbilly, etc.

That being said, I don't own one.

[Killer Kitten]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
In Massachusetts some folks in addition to a former Presidential candidate apparently don't have a clue.


If you are really slinging an insult at my husband's IQ or common sense with this remark all I can figure is that he isn't the one who needs to buy a clue here.

A symbol is just that: a symbol. There are some, such as the swastika popularized by the Nazi party in World War II or an upraised middle finger, that are irrevocably linked to certain meanings. There are others, such as the 'peace sign' or the Confederate flag, that could easily mean different things to each person seeing them or even have different meanings to a single person.

The peace sign, for example, could mean 'peace' as easily as it could stand for 'V for Victory'. The Confederate flag likewise could stand for pride in ones birthplace/heritage as well as 'restore slavery/segregation'.

An ambiguous symbol gives one a choice of interpretations. If you choose to be offended, then by all means be offended. What you cannot be certain of, unless you ask, is if the bearer of that symbol holds the same sentiment with regard to it that you do. Which means, while you're reading 'I'm a segregationist white trash hick' off of somebody's cap or bumper sticker they could very well be saying, 'I was born in Alabama and love my home state'.

You people act like the effects of segregation and racism are non existent in todays world. It's not, therefore there is a huge difference between say a fist pick and a confederate flag.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Killer Kitten


A symbol is just that: a symbol. There are some, such as the swastika popularized by the Nazi party in World War II or an upraised middle finger, that are irrevocably linked to certain meanings.

Just to agree, the swastika for example is one of the oldest symbols known to man, being over 3000 years old. It was used by many various cultures, and it generally had a good meaning. It was used on a lot of coins, as a Buddhist symbol (though they used the manji symbol and not the actual swastika as we know it).

The one we all know and hate was originally considered a solar symbol until it was perverted by the Nazi's. And its still in use now in none-Nazi cults, ironically by Christians and other fundamentalist groups.

[Edited on 21-3-05 by StrayRogue]

[Azul]

Hmm and I thought this thread was going to die. All I got to say really is that the Confederate flag used to symbolize an ideal that many don't agree with and by hanging it, showing it, or whatever you give the impression that you support it. Samething as a person of German decent having a Nazi flag for German pride.

Also, The afro pick thing is silly. Alot of picks come like that since the target consumers are black males. Sometimes a store only cares that kind of pick and you have no choice but to buy it.

Another thing, People in the south HAVE tried to get the confederate flag stricken from several state flags. For the same reasons posted in this thread.

EDITED- For my horrible grammer and to add the state flag comment.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Azul]

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Azul]

[Azul]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Killer Kitten


A symbol is just that: a symbol. There are some, such as the swastika popularized by the Nazi party in World War II or an upraised middle finger, that are irrevocably linked to certain meanings.

Just to agree, the swastika for example is one of the oldest symbols known to man, being over 3000 years old. It was used by many various cultures, and it generally had a good meaning. It was used on a lot of coins, as a Buddhist symbol (though they used the manji symbol and not the actual swastika as we know it).

The one we all know and hate was originally considered a solar symbol until it was perverted by the Nazi's. And its still in used now in none-Nazi cults, ironically by Christians and other fundamentalist groups.

I was JUST going to point that out. Hitler's people discovered it and bastardized it.

[Warriorbird]

It isn't really all that ambiguous a symbol. I don't think your husband represents the majority of America, Tilone. I doubt he'd wear a swastika, "early Christian symbol" "Japanese luck symbol" "Pokemon secret attack" or no.

I was actually referring to Arkans' high school team name, however.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Jadewolff]

Originally posted by Hulkein
My argument is simple.

Not everyone who owns a Confederate flag/symbol is a racist, hick, hillbilly, etc.

That being said, I don't own one.

I'm going to second this one since my father-in-law had one on his truck. He also happens to adore me and I am most definitely NOT white.

[StrayRogue]

I agree. Pidgeon-holing someone into a specific group simply because of a symbol is a bit ignorant, IMO.

[Warriorbird]

"on his truck"

Isn't necessarily a bad thing being a redneck, hick, or hillbilly....or if not immediately being one, having the pretensions. Doesn't necessarily indicate racism either. Does sometimes, mind.

[Warriorbird]

So.... you were down with Prince Harry sporting the swastika, Stay?

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Warriorbird]

[StrayRogue]

Prince William has never worn the swastika to my knowledge.

[Warriorbird]

Harry. Scuse me.

[StrayRogue]

You think he wore that because he's a Nazi or happens to believe in that sort of thing? At a fancy dress party?

Seriously come on.

[Warriorbird]

Nope. But I think it indicated a less than intelligent choice.

[Jadewolff]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
"on his truck"

Isn't necessarily a bad thing being a redneck, hick, or hillbilly....or if not immediately being one, having the pretensions. Doesn't necessarily indicate racism either. Does sometimes, mind.

I think that was Hulkein's point. It can indicate racism but it doesn't have to. By saying anyone that does is racist would, therefore, be wrong.

[StrayRogue]

I see it exactly as how he probably saw it: a joke.

A mis-timed joke, yes, but just a joke. It's no less racially charged than Homer dressing up as Ganesh in the Simpsons.

[Warriorbird]

It was said that it indicated racism OR being a hick, redneck, or hillbilly. While I wouldn't have phrased it exactly that way, I think it's somewhat accurate.

[Warriorbird]

"It's no less racially charged than Homer dressing up as Ganesh in the Simpsons. "

Curiously, many folks didn't agree.

[StrayRogue]

Then those folks would be hypocrites. The people who whined on about the Harry thing were generally the conservatives. Looking at the papers the morning after that happened generally spelled out the situation. The Conservative based tabloids had a ten page spread on how disrespectful he had been. The more news worthy broadsheets had maybe one of the centre pages devoted to it.

The only reason they went crazy over it was because he's famous. I don't see them ranting about Joe Schmo dressing up as Hitler for a fancy dress party.

[Warriorbird]

So... what is racially offensive in your eyes?

Nothing?

[Atlanteax]

Looks like Vitruvian got the thread he wanted now...

[StrayRogue]

Huh? To be racially offended, I'd have to be a member of a racial or ethnic group. Being as I'm pretty liberal minded anyone can spew any sort of bullshit about how white I am etc. It won't effect me. What people say about me or others says more about themselves than it does their target.

What I DO find racially offensive however is racists and people who go out of their way to be racist and to hurt people of differing ethnic background. What I find racially offensive is Ben saying that all black people are inferior and should be shot. What I find hypocritical is the people who condemn such activity but are friends with him.

Thats me however. People can be as uptight and hypocritical as they want about anything. Its their choice. When it comes down to it though, there is a big difference between someone is using race or racial issues to tell a joke, and those who are racist. Its up to whoever the recipient is to decide where they draw the line.

Hell my GF is Jewish. You think she calls me a racist when I go fourth on my anti-Jew jokes?

[Edited on 21-3-05 by StrayRogue]

[Caiylania]

<<Segregation was pretty damn recent. Some of those lovely Republican congressmen I'm sure you support were segregationists, as were a few Democrats.>>

One, I hate party lines. I think they are retarded. Racism is just one of hundreds of things that crosses those 'lines'.

Symbol's only hold what power we give them. There are many obscure symbols that we no longer know the meaning of, and one day the flag and other symbols like it will loose their power.

[Vitruvian]

<<Looks like Vitruvian got the thread he wanted now...>>

Thats funny! Just wanted to see what folks views were.

From what I gather here, it seems this debate can go on forever. One would have to be completely out of thier mind to not believe that a person who bears a confederate flag on a truck, hat ,or shirt is not prejudice. Thier are other ways to present yourself as being a rebel , than to bear a flag which is potrayed to be from a war based around slavery. Regardless of what the true meaning of the war may have been (taxes, land, etc.), the public view for the most part is that it was a CIVIL WAR, it was not called tax war, or land war. Lets not get it twisted here folks. There was once a flag that represented the 15 colonies of the United States, but I have yet to find someone sporting that type of flag.

I can see the point of what one is saying concerning a black comb with a black fist on it. Nevertheless, when was the last time you saw a black panther parade or a black panther lynch mob strutting through the streets of Alabama in the form of a lynch mob? The utterly ignorant KKK uses the confederate flag in all of their public displays of NO-POWER, while doing just that.

Thanks for your posts... Keep it going!!!:spin2:

[Vitruvian]

<<I want to hit wannabe guido boyz who shop at TJ MAX outlets in Miami but that doesn't make me right in thinking so.>>

Why would you do that? The only possible reason I could see for you wanting to do such a thing , that would ultimatily end in your demise, would be because your jealous for some odd reason. Dont hate, appreciate!!! Stick to the post my man. Bash me elsewhere.

[DeV]

Some people display it because they know it bugs the hell out of folks that are easy to piss off. Others do so as a symbol of racism and then there are those who display it as a symbol of pride. The confederate battle flag is also known as the 'Southern Cross" and that has some deep reaching connotations as well. Hate groups have certainly had their share in tarnishing the image the flag now carries. Whatever the reason, to each his own.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Vitruvian
the public view for the most part is that it was a CIVIL WAR, it was not called tax war, or land war.It wasn't called a slavery war either.
Nevertheless, when was the last time you saw a black panther parade or a black panther lynch mob strutting through the streets of Alabama in the form of a lynch mob?I've never seen anyone form a lynch mob. This does not mean that no one is racist.
The utterly ignorant KKK uses the confederate flag in all of their public displaysA lot of people have used the Christian cross while doing quite heinous things. This does not mean the Christian cross is something that should not be displayed publically.

The public view used to be that a person with long hair was a classical musician. Did that ever change? If so, why not the Confederate flag?

[Jolena]

Heh, I've seen the KKK have one of their rallies when I lived in Tulsa and it's definately something that can cause someone to have a cold shiver course down their spine. I don't consider it a "Lynch Mob" so to speak but it is definately unnerving to see and hear so many people who are screaming out their hate and violent wishes upon anyone who is not just like them.

That being said, I try to be as open-minded as possible and judge people based on what I experience and know of them rather then what symbol they carry or show on their person, vehicle, whathaveyou. However, I won't lie. When I see someone who has a Confederate flag proudly displayed somehow, my first thought tends to be that they are most likely ignorant or racist. I do tend to also step back and reevaluate that thought, because as I stated earlier, I sincerely try not to blanket judge someone. I would venture to guess, I"m not alone in the initial thought that crosses my mind about the flag and those who bear them. Does it make it right? No. But it is true that the majority of people who see that flag don't think 'oh! Look dear. He/She is proud of their state!". In fact, it would be quite the opposite.

[DeV]

I've seen a KKK rally here in Illinois as well and no, it's not surprising to eventually learn that those involved are indeed proudly racist, Latrinsorm. I'd even wager to bet at least one of them was wearing a holy cross around their neck while spewing hate.

And those people who've used the Christian cross to do heinous things are no better than those who've used the confederate battle flag to spread an air fear and deliberate racial hate.

Personally, I have no problem seeing someone display the confederate battle flag because it doesn't bother me and like it's already been stated, there could be many reasons why they are doing so. I know there are others who would say otherwise but for one, it's their right.

[Vitruvian]

Well, I suppose we can rationalize all day!!!

Thank you Jolena, well stated. I agree!!

Latrinsorm, please answer honestly, when you hear the word Civil War , what is the first thing that comes to mind? Also when you see a confederate flag being displayed? You seem to be rationalizing way to deeply here. Do you have a flag on your car?

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Vitruvian]

[Killer Kitten]

That's the interesting thing about symbols, how many different meanings people can read into them.

When I see a Confederate flag, the first thing I usually think of is Country music, followed closely by Dixie/South/Alabama. (Why Alabama I have no idea, maybe a Skynyrd reference, but that's what pops into my head.) Thinking the person is a racist or a KKK wanna-be would never have crossed my mind before reading this thread.

Seeing the 'black power' fist hair picks always gives me a little shiver. I can remember being a school kid in schools where a majority of the students were black during the year of the King assasination and the years immediately following it. Most of the kids were as ignorant of the whole civil rights movement and Dr. King's message as I was, but yelling Black Power made it perfectly OK to beat the crap out of any white kids they saw in the halls or locker rooms. Yet somebody else, as white as I am but without those memories, would just see a quaint symbol of ethnic pride that kids have adopted and turned into a fashion statement.

This is a fascinating thread and has given me a great deal of insight into other points of view.

[Vitruvian]

Thank you for your input Killer Kitten. Ones experiences have a great deal to do with how they view any type of symbol.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Vitruvian
<<I want to hit wannabe guido boyz who shop at TJ MAX outlets in Miami but that doesn't make me right in thinking so.>>

Why would you do that? The only possible reason I could see for you wanting to do such a thing , that would ultimatily end in your demise, would be because your jealous for some odd reason. Dont hate, appreciate!!! Stick to the post my man. Bash me elsewhere.

Actually it was sticking to the post and not so much bashing. I see you missed the point entirely.

Originally posted by Vitruvian
Ah true... But Im not understanding. I mean, you only see it on old pickup trucks or the heads of a cheap looking hick. I wanna hit em when I do. It angers me for some odd reason."I wanna hit em when I do."

[Vitruvian]

Im not retarded, I see your quasi point. Apples and oranges. Im not prejudice.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Vitruvian
Im not retarded, I see your quasi point. Apples and oranges. Im not prejudice.

You seem more retarded now saying that you're not prejudice.

[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Xyelin]

[Vitruvian]

Well, its shitty, I wish I could be prejudice. Being a bi-racial person, I have no right being prejudice towards anyone. If I was white Id hate blacks, if I was black , Id hate whites. Looks like Im stuck in the middle. Oh well. (That was a joke Xyelin, before you go come back with another un-witty comment)

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Vitruvian
Well, its shitty, I wish I could be prejudice. Being a bi-racial person, I have no right being prejudice towards anyone. If I was white Id hate blacks, if I was black , Id hate whites. Looks like Im stuck in the middle. Oh well. (That was a joke Xyelin, before you go come back with another un-witty comment)

There wasn't suppose to be any wit involved in calling you a retard.

Can't we all get along.
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Peace on Earth brotha


[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Xyelin]

[Vitruvian]

:shrug:

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DeV
I've seen a KKK rally here in Illinois as well and no, it's not surprising to eventually learn that those involved are indeed proudly racist, Latrinsorm. I'd even wager to bet at least one of them was wearing a holy cross around their neck while spewing hate.I wouldn't be surprised.
And those people who've used the Christian cross to do heinous things are no better than those who've used the confederate battle flag to spread an air fear and deliberate racial hate.My point wasn't that wearing a cross makes them better, my point was people who aren't racist/murderers/whatever shouldn't have to worry about what some nimrod did with a symbol that has little to nothing to do with said nimrod's actions.
Originally posted by Vitruvian
Latrinsorm, please answer honestly, when you hear the word Civil War , what is the first thing that comes to mind?Tragedy.
Also when you see a confederate flag being displayed?Hasn't happened yet in person, but usually: tragedy, because for me it symbolizes the Civil War.
You seem to be rationalizing way to deeply here. Do you have a flag on your car?I don't have a car, and the two flags I care about are not Confederate.

The adjective is "prejudiced", btw. "Prejudice" is a noun or verb, and not something a person can be.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
My point wasn't that wearing a cross makes them betterThat wasn't mine either, but I understand what you were trying to say. Hopefully my point wasn't entirely lost in translation.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DeV
I understand what you were trying to say.:)