Paladins lets see what you've got

[BrutallyHonest]

Now that people have had a chance to test the higher end of paladins, I was curious at how they are doing.

Show examples of hits and damage done as well as taken if you are willing.

Here is what my 60th paladin has been able to do.

You swing a vaalin hilted mein falchion at a black forest ogre!
AS: +505 vs DS: +230 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +37 = +344
... and hit for 107 points of damage!
Powerful slash!

Useful comments always encouraged.

[Doughboy]

Im curious to see your skills an all at 60..and what did you have up with that AS?

[BrutallyHonest]

Here you go Doughboy:

Armor Use..........................| 179 79
Shield Use.........................| 222 122
Combat Maneuvers...................| 222 122
Edged Weapons......................| 222 122
Physical Fitness...................| 161 61
Dodging............................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 161 61
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 105 25
Perception.........................| 120 30
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 34

I had self cast spells, strength, COL signs, and surge of strength.

[Sylph]

I'd rather have full plate on... heh.


Im swinging 367 at 48 w/ my Lance

[Alarke]

At 78 Trainings:
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 250 150
Shield Use.........................| 260 160
Combat Maneuvers...................| 180 80
Edged Weapons......................| 260 160
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 140 40
Physical Fitness...................| 260 160
Dodging............................| 160 60
Harness Power......................| 180 80
Spirit Mana Control................| 102 24
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 117 29
Perception.........................| 180 80
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 105 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 30

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 50
Training Points: 0 Phy 6 Mnt (22 Mnt converted to Phy)


>amb taint right leg
You swing a shimmering enchanted falchion at a festering taint!
AS: +457 vs DS: +349 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +87 = +229
... and hit for 86 points of damage!
Lucky shot rips through bone and muscle sending left leg flying.
The festering taint winces in pain as it falls to the ground, its left leg mangled horribly!
The festering taint is stunned!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

>amb taint neck
>
You swing a shimmering enchanted falchion at a festering taint!
AS: +457 vs DS: +285 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +97 = +303
... and hit for 97 points of damage!
Gruesome slash to the festering taint's throat!
That stings... for about a second.

>amb taint head
You swing a shimmering enchanted falchion at a festering taint!
AS: +467 vs DS: +320 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +11 = +192
... and hit for 63 points of damage!
Gruesome slash opens the festering taint's forehead!
Grey matter spills forth!

You swing a shimmering enchanted falchion at a gnarled being!
AS: +467 vs DS: +209 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +44 = +334
... and hit for 104 points of damage!
Brain driven into neck by mammoth downswing!
A gnarled being coughs up some blood and dies.
Roundtime: 6 sec.

You explode into a fury of strikes and ripostes, moving with a singular purpose and will!
You swing a shimmering enchanted falchion at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +482 vs DS: +325 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +17 = +210
... and hit for 49 points of damage!
Shot to the neck scrapes away skin.
Some nasty bleeding.
You swing a shimmering enchanted falchion at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +482 vs DS: +320 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +34 = +232
... and hit for 77 points of damage!
The Ithzir seer twists away but is caught with a hard slash!
Back is broken!
The Ithzir seer is knocked to the ground!

Here's me taking a mstrike shot from another paladin:

xxxx swings a claidhmore at you!
AS: +477 vs DS: +435 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +70 = +131
... and hits for 5 points of damage!
Light slash to your abdomen!
Barely nicked.
xxxx swings a claidhmore at you!
AS: +477 vs DS: +435 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +73 = +134
... and hits for 6 points of damage!
Near-miss!
Knuckles kissed but little damage.

A gremlock claws at you!
AS: +407 vs DS: +337 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +94 = +171
... and hits for 8 points of damage!
Weak slash across chest!
Slightly less painful than heartburn.

Casting a bit in OTF:
Calling upon your patron to aid your cause, a brilliant aura begins to radiate from you!
CS: +351 - TD: +299 + CvA: +9 + d100: +51 == +112
Warding failed!
The Ithzir herald is rebuked before you, visibly struggling against your radiant aura!
CS: +351 - TD: +267 + CvA: +9 + d100: +72 == +165
Warding failed!
The Ithzir scout is rebuked before you, visibly struggling against your radiant aura!
Just as you cast, the Ithzir seer shimmers and fades away, leaving you gesturing at nothingness!
The Ithzir seer appears startled briefly, but quickly regains her composure.
CS: +351 - TD: +267 + CvA: +9 + d100: +91 == +184
Warding failed!
The Ithzir scout is rebuked before you, visibly struggling against your radiant aura!
CS: +351 - TD: +261 + CvA: +9 + d100: +49 == +148
Warding failed!
The Ithzir scout is rebuked before you, visibly struggling against your radiant aura!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You gesture at a gremlock.
A pillar of blood red radiance manifests around a gremlock.
CS: +344 - TD: +252 + CvA: +25 + d100: +88 == +205
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the gremlock's body!
... 57 points of damage!
... 25 points of damage!
Deep slash to the gremlock's left forearm!
The gremlock is stunned!
The gremlock is driven to his knees!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

[surfrider]

how are you ambushing with no ambush training? Perception?

[Artha]

Open ambushing is a combination of perception and CM.

[StrayRogue]

Because aiming from the open doesn't primarily need ambush training. Its all CM and Perception.

[Mistomeer]

This is what I'm playing with right now:

Mistomeer (at level 82), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 170 70
Combat Maneuvers...................| 220 120
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 268 168
Brawling...........................| 262 162
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 130 35
Physical Fitness...................| 182 82
Dodging............................| 182 82
Harness Power......................| 182 82
Spirit Mana Control................| 90 20
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 105 25
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 108 26
Perception.........................| 25 5
Climbing...........................| 102 24
Swimming...........................| 102 24

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 30

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 30

[Soulpieced]

WTF was responsible for the training costs of paladin skills. They are so cheap it's ridiculous.

[Edited on 3-20-2005 by Soulpieced]

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
WTF was responsible for the training costs of paladin skills. They are so cheap it's ridiculous.

[Edited on 3-20-2005 by Soulpieced]

Why don't you give us some supporting comments on why these costs are overpowering? I'm actually curious.

[Soulpieced]

Armor Use..........................| 179 79
Shield Use.........................| 222 122
Combat Maneuvers...................| 222 122
Edged Weapons......................| 222 122
Physical Fitness...................| 161 61
Dodging............................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 161 61
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 105 25
Perception.........................| 120 30
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 34

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Level 60 character, the numbers are generalizations though the skills may be a little above or below the actual X. 2x Shield, CM, Edged. 1x armor, spells, PF, HP. .5x dodge, lore, perception, climb, swim.

So basically, his AS in straight skills not taking into account any spells is that of a warrior. Now add on the however many AS enhancing spells are in the new paladin circle, on top of the solid DS and TD gotten from minor spirit.

[Enceladus]

Looks like someone is mad that other people beside bards are able to get a really high AS without much difficulty.

[StrayRogue]

They aren't cheap if you want to do anything but sword and board.

[Warriorbird]

Spells are also sickly expensive.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Artha
Open ambushing is a combination of perception and CM.


Originally posted by StrayRogue
Because aiming from the open doesn't primarily need ambush training. Its all CM and Perception.

According to the documentation, open ambushing only takes into account your ambush and CM skill, not perception. Perception helps from hiding.

[Bobmuhthol]

I haven't logged into Biggnife for a while, but at 21 he could get his AS to about 284 self spelled.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 34

Level 60 character, the numbers are generalizations though the skills may be a little above or below the actual X. 2x Shield, CM, Edged. 1x armor, spells, PF, HP. .5x dodge, lore, perception, climb, swim.


Whered you get 1x spells from? 20 + 34 = 54 and 1x at 60 would be 61. Thats 7 spells at 0/27 or 189 TPs right there.

[Iooy]

Here is my Paladin.

Dwarf - 73rd Trains

Armor Use..........................| 225 125
Shield Use.........................| 248 148
Combat Maneuvers...................| 211 111
Edged Weapons......................| 248 148
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 211 111
Dodging............................| 174 74
Arcane Symbols.....................| 174 74
Harness Power......................| 174 74
Spirit Mana Control................| 102 24
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 130 35
Perception.........................| 134 37
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 30

I'll see if I can get some of him taking some pain and dishing it out.

[Edaarin]

Why so much Arcane Symbol?

[Iooy]

The ability to wear outside spells in places with spell bursts.

[StrayRogue]

You realize with you spell training, SMC, harness power and lores, you probably don't need that training in Arcane Symbols.

[Doughboy]

>
You gesture at an Illoke mystic.
A pillar of ocean blue radiance manifests around an Illoke mystic.
CS: +258 - TD: +209 + CvA: +25 + d100: +90 == +164
Warding failed!
Waves of sacred energy tear through the Illoke mystic's body!
... 31 points of damage!
... 1 point of damage!
Tiny sparks dance around belly. Cool!
The Illoke mystic is driven to his knees!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)
>srg
You focus deep within yourself, searching for untapped sources of strength.
You feel incredibly stronger.
>
>stance off
>
You are now in an offensive stance.
>mstrike
You concentrate intently, focusing all your energies.
With instinctive motions, you weave to and fro striking with deliberate and unrelenting fury!
You swing a glaes-hafted shimmering ora warmace at an Illoke mystic!
AS: +484 vs DS: +198 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +21 = +337
... and hit for 85 points of damage!
Crushing blow to head closes that eye for good.
The Illoke mystic is stunned!
You swing a glaes-hafted shimmering ora warmace at an Illoke mystic!
AS: +484 vs DS: +110 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +99 = +503
... and hit for 161 points of damage!
Smash to cheek driving bone through the eye and into the brain.
The Illoke mystic grumbles in pain one last time before lying still.
An Illoke mystic glances around, looking a bit less confident.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around an Illoke mystic.

Your flurry of strikes leaves you off-balance and out of position.
Roundtime: 7 sec.
>
An Illoke mystic blinks dazedly a moment before shaking off the stun!
>loot
You search the Illoke mystic.
You discard the mystic's useless equipment.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had nothing of interest.
An Illoke mystic crumbles into a mound of sand that quickly blows away.
>glance myst
att myst
>You glance at an Illoke mystic.
>
You swing a glaes-hafted shimmering ora warmace at an Illoke mystic!
AS: +484 vs DS: +171 with AvD: +30 + d100 roll: +34 = +377
... and hit for 96 points of damage!
Whoosh! Several ribs driven into lungs.
The Illoke mystic is stunned!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
>l
[Stronghold, Southeast Skew]
The corridor dwindles into nothing, choked by rough piles of rock and walls that draw together into a pinched termination. Strewn with boulders and choked with thick piles of dust, the floor quickly grows impassable. Marks are noticeable on the rough stone walls, the scores of chisel, hammer and pick. You also see an Illoke mystic that appears stunned.
Obvious exits: northwest
>
An Illoke mystic blinks dazedly a moment before shaking off the stun!
>'And your dead
>
You say, "And your dead."
>smile myst
>
You smile at the Illoke mystic.
>
You feel recovered from your whirlwind flurry of strikes.
>cman info
Bisco, your Combat Maneuver training is as follows:

Skill name Mnemonic Ranks
Disarm Weapon disarm 1
Feint feint 4
Specialization I wspec1 5
Surge of Strength surge 5

[StrayRogue]

Damn their AS is high.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Damn their AS is high.

It'smaking me consider converting Finiswolf, and deleting my little paladin.

Respectfully,

Finiswolf

[Sylph]

If you are wanting to convert thinking you'll be able to grab a ton of CM and really swing like a truck then you gotta realize how much they are giving up to swing "REALLY" high.

[Iooy]

Just wondering what you feel is being given up to get the CM's to be able to swing so "high". Any information would be helpful. Still trying to find a final plan to mine.

[Alarke]

Well in order to double at my training, 78, it would cost me 800/640 more TPs. Although the extra 40 AS would be nice, and 80 more CM points would help a ton, it isnt worth 800/640 worth of skills for me to have.

[Sylph]

You'll be giving up plate till VERY VERY old age... at least... probably giving up a great deal of spells and other skills.


MO for instance...

[Alarke]

I had to do something like... lose 80 ranks of PT, 10 ranks of MoC, 55 ranks of lores, 10 spells, and i was able to double CM... maybe something else that i gave up too.

[Sean]

Wouldn't it make more sense to stay closer to 1.25x and allow 1611 to fill in the other .75x to give you a full 2x cm.

[Alarke]

Originally posted by Tijay
Wouldn't it make more sense to stay closer to 1.25x and allow 1611 to fill in the other .75x to give you a full 2x cm.
Which is why i stayed at 1x and got 55 ranks in blessing lore!

[LrdPath]

Soulpieced said:

Armor Use..........................| 179 79
Shield Use.........................| 222 122
Combat Maneuvers...................| 222 122
Edged Weapons......................| 222 122
Physical Fitness...................| 161 61
Dodging............................| 120 30
Harness Power......................| 161 61
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 105 25
Perception.........................| 120 30
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Spirit.......................| 20

Spell Lists
Paladin............................| 34

.

Level 60 character, the numbers are generalizations though the skills may be a little above or below the actual X. 2x Shield, CM, Edged. 1x armor, spells, PF, HP. .5x dodge, lore, perception, climb, swim.

So basically, his AS in straight skills not taking into account any spells is that of a warrior. Now add on the however many AS enhancing spells are in the new paladin circle, on top of the solid DS and TD gotten from minor spirit.
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At level 60, he could have 62 spells as a semi, and that much or more as a pure. They are holy warriors, they should swing higher than a bard.

he dropped 8 spells.

Look at his lores (which as well as spells, effects a lot of benefits from other spells and functions)

25 ranks of one lore is less than .5x trained.

0 lore in the other two, which granted are less important, but ::Shrug:: it's still giving up just to swing.

I haven't been back in GSIV for long... not really sure why the points were put in dodging when he has enough armor to wear plate... i'm right in my assumption that dodging and plate don't mix, right?

No first aid, no survival. Level 60 and can't raise yet, certainly doesn't have the lores to raise more than once.

no mana control.


He's basically a square with a few spells. Yes, it will make his fighting stats higher?

Why is that a big deal?

They are holy warriors, I say again.