Senate passes ANWR drilling

[AkMan]

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050315212509990001&_ccc=1&cid=842

Discuss.

Of course I'm all for it, it means TONS of money for my state, not to mention it should lessen our dependence on foreign oil.

[Parkbandit]

3 words.

It's

About

Time

[Drinin]

4 words:

It's
About
Damn
Time.

[Gamukak]

5 words

It
Wont
Change
A
Thing

[Parkbandit]

6 words:

We
Will
Have
Iraq's
Oil
Too!!!

[Warriorbird]

Gas prices will still be the damn same.

[AnticorRifling]

Seven words:

My
cat's
breath
smells
like
cat
food

Also I'm all for it, nature is for hippies.

[DeV]

Which is why it won't change anything, at least for a couple of years from now. And we shouldn't expect to see a dip in oil prices anytime soon.

Edited for spelling.

[Edited on 3-16-2005 by DeV]

[Gamukak]

It definately wont change anything. Oil companies will hop on the slightest excuse to crank up prices, but take their damn sweet time lowering them.

Example: The line break in Arizona a while back. Prices leaped upward the next day and never really came back down again. The oil companies have this country by the balls and with the current leadership we have there is no relief in sight.

[AkMan]

I don't think it'll lower gas prices at all. But at least we won't have to depend on Iran and Saudi Arabia for our oil. Not to mention the oil royalties the state of Alaska would receive, providing better schools and other public services.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Gas prices will still be the damn same.

Lack of refineries in our country.

TEHY COSS POLUSHION !1/ELEVEN

[Edited on 3-16-2005 by Hulkein]

[Snapp]

If it'll make no real difference with our dependence on the Middle East for oil, why bother?

[Back]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Also I'm all for it, nature is for hippies.

I suppose being concerned over your own future family’s welfare is for hippies also.

People like you piss me off because your attitude is fine if it was you just living in a bubble where you could swin in your own shit as much as you want. But you stupid ass fucks are messing with MY family. Fucktards.

[Warriorbird]

"Lack of refineries in our country. "

Not quite that simple, I'm afraid. OPEC has a lot to do with it. Instead of taking Iraq, maybe Venezuela would've been a better choice. They're pwning us in there. Mind you, a lot of that is due to Bush alienating people, but hey... our society runs on cheap gas.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Also I'm all for it, nature is for hippies.

I suppose being concerned over your own future family’s welfare is for hippies also.

People like you piss me off because your attitude is fine if it was you just living in a bubble where you could swin in your own shit as much as you want. But you stupid ass fucks are messing with MY family. Fucktards.

LMFAO.

I have another HYPOCRIT ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You love to throw stones at other people about the environment.. yet I am certain you drive around in a gas vehicle, use a gas powered lawn mower/edger/weed wacker/, do very little to conserve anything and probably don't recycle much.

Dear Backlash..

Until you clean up your own shit, don't go pointing at others.

Thanks.

[AkMan]

Ahh gotta love the hypocrisy. Last year here in Alaska a Greenpeace ship got fined HUGE bucks for 'illegal discharge' of some type of waste off their gigantic ship. They are running around dumping crap in our oceans in an ocean liner that burns hundreds of gallons of gas an hour saying they are tryin to save the world. WTF.

[Warriorbird]

Ironically, the worst damage to our environment (to the ozone layer) is by airplanes. Environmentalists love flying around in planes to talk about the greenhouse effect. With that said, I do think it is a problem and one we have to face, but a vast portion of environmentalist efforts are strongly misguided.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by AkMan
Ahh gotta love the hypocrisy. Last year here in Alaska a Greenpeace ship got fined HUGE bucks for 'illegal discharge' of some type of waste off their gigantic ship. They are running around dumping crap in our oceans in an ocean liner that burns hundreds of gallons of gas an hour saying they are tryin to save the world. WTF.

EXACTLY.

Greenpeace my ass. They probably club baby seals with Backlash too.

[AkMan]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Ironically, the worst damage to our environment (to the ozone layer) is by airplanes. Environmentalists love flying around in planes to talk about the greenhouse effect. With that said, I do think it is a problem and one we have to face, but a vast portion of environmentalist efforts are strongly misguided.

I agree. I'm not for destroying our environment, but I think resource development is vital to our country and it can be done without destroying wilderness or disturbing animals.

ANWR is just thousands of miles of tundra, and the footprint from oil drilling would affect like 1/2 of 1% of the lands there. There are SO many regulations that oil companies have to comply with before they can step foot on the tundra, and that's the reason most of them have pulled out and went to Venezuela, Siberia etc. There are very loose environmental regulations there so they are free to destroy whatever they want.

[AkMan]

Originally posted by AkMan
Ahh gotta love the hypocrisy. Last year here in Alaska a Greenpeace ship got fined HUGE bucks for 'illegal discharge' of some type of waste off their gigantic ship. They are running around dumping crap in our oceans in an ocean liner that burns hundreds of gallons of gas an hour saying they are tryin to save the world. WTF.

I stand corrected. What they were charged with was not having an oil spill response plan, not illegal discharge of waste. The following link tells the story.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15722

My favorite part?:

The actions of the ship's master would appear to violate the spirit of a statement Greenpeace issued on November 13, 2003, commemorating the first anniversary of the sinking of the oil tanker Prestige off the coast of Spain.

"In order to prevent new oil spills," said Paul Horsman of Greenpeace, "regulations need to force both the shipping industry and the charterers to operate under the highest standards of ships and crews."

[Back]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Backlash

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
Also I'm all for it, nature is for hippies.

I suppose being concerned over your own future family’s welfare is for hippies also.

People like you piss me off because your attitude is fine if it was you just living in a bubble where you could swin in your own shit as much as you want. But you stupid ass fucks are messing with MY family. Fucktards.

LMFAO.

I have another HYPOCRIT ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You love to throw stones at other people about the environment.. yet I am certain you drive around in a gas vehicle, use a gas powered lawn mower/edger/weed wacker/, do very little to conserve anything and probably don't recycle much.

Dear Backlash..

Until you clean up your own shit, don't go pointing at others.

Thanks.

It all will balance out in the end. Your future generations can thank those of us who are evironmentally conservative later.

[AnticorRifling]

Weird I coulda sworn I was joking. Ohh well.

[Ilvane]

Why do we need to drill someplace for years and years to get about 6 months worth of oil, and destroy wildlife refuges that were set aside back when Eisenhower was president??

How about working on fuel economy standards so we don't use so much gas, or maybe working on scientific research for alternative energy like solar power, electric, hybrid, and natural gas cars? It would be much more useful in the future.

Oh, and did you all notice that mercury levels in water are voted is getting voted on too..they are thinking of raising them higher, so the pollution level can be higher?

So someone who says, who cares, it's not going to effect me, eventually it will. These guys don't want to realize that being environmentally safe is a good thing, and all they want to see is what helps the oil companies and the big polluters.

-A

[Edited on 3-17-2005 by Ilvane]

[Hulkein]

How about everyone walks or rides a bike to work.

Or walk the couple of blocks to the store or any place instead of driving because you're too lazy.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Hulkein
How about everyone walks or rides a bike to work.

Or walk the couple of blocks to the store or any place instead of driving because you're too lazy.

Where feasible sure. That's only the case in metropolitan areas and smaller cities with a mass transit system.

Unfortunately for most of the population, conspicuous consumption and those than can afford it are the real culprits. Why do I drive a two ton monster to and from the grocery store, work, and joy rides? Because I can.

I'm as much of an octane junkie as the next person, but I limit my fun. I make use of mass transit in the cities and I drive economy while commuting.

Drilling in Alaska will change nothing and damage more simply to make the buck now and fuck anyone else in the process.

Instead of the system stepping back and examining what the real problem is, they have simply decided to feed the addiction and pass the problem on. America at it's finest.

[Warriorbird]

It's not unfortunately that simple. The oil companies definitely don't want change the fuels we use. They're VERY influential to every political party.

Anwar is an American Idol contestant.

- Arkans

[Artha]

Why do we need to drill someplace for years and years to get about 6 months worth of oil, and destroy wildlife refuges that were set aside back when Eisenhower was president??

The thing's bigger than most states, and they're taking up the area of your average airport. It's hardly 'destroy[ing] wildlife refuges.'

Christ on a crutch, that's sensationalism at its finest.

[Edited on 3-17-2005 by Artha]

[Warriorbird]

Not that Republicans have ever been sensationalist before (heard Micheal Savage give a speech worthy of McCarthy tonight while trying to get a traffic report)

Yellow journalism is sellable journalism, as Hearst proved.

[Edited on 3-17-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Back]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
You love to throw stones at other people about the environment.. yet I am certain you drive around in a gas vehicle, use a gas powered lawn mower/edger/weed wacker/, do very little to conserve anything and probably don't recycle much.

Well, this just proves two things.

1) You have the memory of a flea.

2) You need some kind of enemy to justify your life.

Got some non-biased news for you. The environmentalists, the animal activists, the peoples rights... the people who do these things aren’t your enemy.

[AkMan]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
It's not unfortunately that simple. The oil companies definitely don't want change the fuels we use. They're VERY influential to every political party.

This is so true. You would think the internal combustion engine would be extinct by now but because of the 'Big 3' and the oil companies it's still going strong. With all the other technological advances you would think we could come up with alternative sources of vehicular energy....but I guess not.

[Edited on 3-17-2005 by AkMan]

[Warriorbird]

Yeah, you want eerie conspiracies too? Just to show how influential they are, Shell Oil is owned by the Dutch Royal Family, by Prince Bernhard of said Dutch Royal Family. Prince Bernhard is the fellow who founded the Bilderbergers... whom both Democrats and Republicans march to the drummer of.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
It all will balance out in the end. Your future generations can thank those of us who are evironmentally conservative later.

I don't get it. So you say you PLAN on being environmentally conservative later in life.. so you can go about your life now and belittle those who are not environmentalists now?

:?::?::?::?::?:

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash

Originally posted by Parkbandit
You love to throw stones at other people about the environment.. yet I am certain you drive around in a gas vehicle, use a gas powered lawn mower/edger/weed wacker/, do very little to conserve anything and probably don't recycle much.

Well, this just proves two things.

1) You have the memory of a flea.

2) You need some kind of enemy to justify your life.

Got some non-biased news for you. The environmentalists, the animal activists, the peoples rights... the people who do these things aren’t your enemy.

I don't need an enemy.. and you are certainly not worthy of such stature. I simply find you to be a hypocrit in the truest sense of the word.

[Back]

You just have no clue. In your mind you’ve already decided for whatever reason that I club baby seals. Its a twisted Bizzaro world you live in. Its sad really.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
You just have no clue. In your mind you’ve already decided for whatever reason that I club baby seals. Its a twisted Bizzaro world you live in. Its sad really.

That was a joke.. much like you criticizing people on their environmentalist views.

[Warriorbird]

I heard an interesting conservative take on it this morning on the Borrtz show. They suggested we shouldn't drill so that down the road America can hold people hostage to our remaining oil supply for things like plastics.

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
I heard an interesting conservative take on it this morning on the Borrtz show. They suggested we shouldn't drill so that down the road America can hold people hostage to our remaining oil supply for things like plastics.

We got plently of oil reserves under the Rockies, which *could* rival ME oil fields.

However, at the present time, it'd either be outrageous expensive to drill for (thus non-economical) or lacking the appropriate technology to do so efficiently.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah. His point was that the Alaska stuff was easily accessible. He brought up the Rockies stuff too.

[Edited on 3-17-2005 by Warriorbird]

[xtc]

Politics aside this was a protected wildlife refuge. Even religious right leader Pat Robertson admitted on his show this morning that this is just a drop in the bucket. This won't make a difference in the grand scheme; we are still reliant on OPEC oil.

What I can't understand is why the idea of conservation is a dirty word. Oil is a non-renewable energy source, many analysts believe we may have 50 years of oil left, some believe as little as 10 years.

I have voted Republican in the US before and Conservative in Canada. However conservation was a concept I was raised with, by rather conservative parents. I have a toilet bag in my toilet to reduce water and I have a low flow shower head. I use public transit whenever possible and I don't own an SUV. I recycle everything, wet and dry. I have a composter in the back yard. I am installing a smart meter soon for hydro. My furnace is a high efficiency model. My house is well insulated and I replaced the windows a few years back so I loose less heat there. On my last emissions test my car had 0% CO2 (I guess too low to register).

I watched a show a year or so ago on a psychologist who has been contracted by every major car company in America. He stated that since 9-11 Americans wanted security and he showed car companies how they could sell large, overpowered, massive horse powered cars & SUVS to Americans that they didn’t need, by tapping into our fears and vanity. Personally he thought the cars that were being sold to Americans today were ridiculous but by tapping into our fear, pride and vanity car companies were able to sell us more expensive vehicles.

Personally I don’t like being duped; I don’t need a massive SUV to feel important or powerful. I would like to leave my kids as clean a planet as possible; I hope this is an American ideal not a democrat or liberal one.

[Warriorbird]

Sadly, no. Though SUV sales have dropped.

[Artha]

Politics aside this was a protected wildlife refuge.
Some of which was set aside for oil drilling anyway.