IÂ’m beginning to suspect mental illness...

[Fierna]

Not anyone here per se, I think most of the PC is sane. But I don’t think the general Gemstone populace has their head on straight. Why?

This is my first major Fest and just the zaniness of people putting good RL money over bad is bizzare. An in-game friend of mine gave me a 10 sea diving entry to do DSD so I can see what the hubbub was all about. Suddenly he runs out of passes , a used 50 entry pass. This is where it got frightening. Kinda paraphrasing here: mind you I RP’d with this guy for almost a year, nearly everday.

Give me your pass? Excuse me? Give me your fucking>this language was used< pass. Oh no you ran out! here, I got a ton of SCs I haven’t touched let me gift you a 25 pass as a thank you gift this 10- pass only has 3 more on it anyway. No, just giving me that pass I gave you, I fucking gave it to you just now. Muted horror as this was something I never saw in him as he’s the type to talk all like ,”Hoow guz et, Lazz?” even in OOC whisper.

So, I give him the pass and he does the three runs in hyper speed while I wait outside at the ladder. He pauses probably when he ran out of passes to get more on the store then just quietly does more runs. Feeling awkward and kinda scared I log out. After dinner and watching Netflix for about an hour and I log back in. I catch him coming up, and he’s still at it. Lnet DM and nothing. I kinda felt sad for him after that.

Anyway, one of the more odd experiences at this Fest.

[Taernath]

The people who aren't super invested/addicted to the pay stuff or game itself have mostly moved on.

[gilchristr]

cool story bro

[Xred]

I've spoken with several people on discord. I think all of them have a mental illness diagnosis or have problems and are un-diagnosed. I think the common problems are: autism, adhd-i, ocd, bi-polar, and border-line personality disorder. Two people I know - i suspect - have narcissism. I'd bet social anxity is common but I dont know much about that.

Further evidence is the behavior on the PC ie emotional instability.

[Luntz]

I feel sad that you think a stranger on the internet being mean to you one time indicates mental illness in a large swathe of people. Says more about you than the asshole tbh.

[Mobius1]

I think depression is another big one. And plain old addiction. And people in bad marriages.

I've been saying this since I returned to find this whole Pay 2 Win mess: The current Simu is preying on the worst parts of the human psyche, putting greed over human decency.

Is their product REALLY worth thousands of dollars? Is this really the way the original game designers intended the game to become?

Sadly, as long as you have people willing to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars on the digging/diving and whatever other slot machines, I don't see Simu stopping the greedy practices.

The other issue, is the players that spend their money, are some of the most influential and loud voiced people in the game. In fact, one reason I like PC is because those people have no influence here. Funny enough, they'll usually discourage people from using PC because of the "trolls." The reality is that their BS doesn't fly here.

But yeah, I constantly find myself scratching my head at people's decisions, and try to discourage the hell out of people wasting money on stupid crap they don't even need. The saying I find myself using on almost a bloody daily basis is: "How dead does it need to be when you kill it?"

Or I'll have someone try to show off some 100 million silver item to me, and I'll accomplish the same damn thing from a simple scroll or cheap enhancive or some nonsense. People waste some serious money on some really insignificant crap. (And don't give me the whole "silvers are worthless" BS, because it's a load of bull crap.).

And if you are spending thousands of dollars just to increase the size of your GS epeen, then yeah, that is all kinds of mental illness or RL issues of some sort. You are literally spending loads money on a line of text!

I get that GS is a valuable service that deserves to have money paid to enjoy. But we're talking like $15 a month in the case of most MMO's. The fact that a TEXT BASED GAME charges such high amounts of money, is beyond crazy to me.

I mean, I'm not going to judge people that have a premie sub or anything like that. Even I am willing to spend money on alt accounts since it brings me enough joy to be worth the extra expense (and is well within MMO norms.). But when we start talking hundreds or even thousands of dollars...that's just sick.

BTW, I welcome any obscenely geared person in game, to fight me in PvP with all your stupid worthless billions of silvers worth of crap, and I will happily wreck you!! :D Admittedly, I do find a measure of joy in that...

~Midgar

[Merzbow]

I think depression is another big one. And plain old addiction. And people in bad marriages.

I've been saying this since I returned to find this whole Pay 2 Win mess: The current Simu is preying on the worst parts of the human psyche, putting greed over human decency.

Is their product REALLY worth thousands of dollars? Is this really the way the original game designers intended the game to become?

Sadly, as long as you have people willing to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars on the digging/diving and whatever other slot machines, I don't see Simu stopping the greedy practices.

The other issue, is the players that spend their money, are some of the most influential and loud voiced people in the game. In fact, one reason I like PC is because those people have no influence here. Funny enough, they'll usually discourage people from using PC because of the "trolls." The reality is that their BS doesn't fly here.

But yeah, I constantly find myself scratching my head at people's decisions, and try to discourage the hell out of people wasting money on stupid crap they don't even need. The saying I find myself using on almost a bloody daily basis is: "How dead does it need to be when you kill it?"

Or I'll have someone try to show off some 100 million silver item to me, and I'll accomplish the same damn thing from a simple scroll or cheap enhancive or some nonsense. People waste some serious money on some really insignificant crap. (And don't give me the whole "silvers are worthless" BS, because it's a load of bull crap.).

And if you are spending thousands of dollars just to increase the size of your GS epeen, then yeah, that is all kinds of mental illness or RL issues of some sort. You are literally spending loads money on a line of text!

I get that GS is a valuable service that deserves to have money paid to enjoy. But we're talking like $15 a month in the case of most MMO's. The fact that a TEXT BASED GAME charges such high amounts of money, is beyond crazy to me.

I mean, I'm not going to judge people that have a premie sub or anything like that. Even I am willing to spend money on alt accounts since it brings me enough joy to be worth the extra expense (and is well within MMO norms.). But when we start talking hundreds or even thousands of dollars...that's just sick.

BTW, I welcome any obscenely geared person in game, to fight me in PvP with all your stupid worthless billions of silvers worth of crap, and I will happily wreck you!! :D Admittedly, I do find a measure of joy in that...

~Midgar

wall of poor crits for 9000

[Fortybox]

LOL - this game has always been a haven for the mentally ill, disabled and the overweight. It was this way before P2W even became a thing.

[Rjex]

There a few people in GS (even here on PC) who are legitimately fucked in the head, and you can generally tell them apart by the overall level of vitriol, but by and large they're a tiny minority. Most of the whales who do tons of runs at the events and get caught up in item chasing are just normal people with a little OCD who can afford to do so, as this level of spending is trivial for them, not that it makes it less ridiculous for a game such as this. Another big segment are programmers who just enjoy seeing the gears spinning and the commerce aspect of it all. These two groups account for a large chunk of overall spending, but this is not to downplay the fact that this is by no means normal. When you play other games and can compare and contrast the levels of spending across various titles... that's when it really strikes you what an outlier GS really is. It's certainly not normal, however you look at it. I hit about 40k in spending myself, in just under 2 years of playing, before realizing this might not be a healthy hobby, and I know plenty of people who have spent far more. I think the biggest issue is the normalization of the absurd levels of spending, it's like the population of players has been gradually conditioned to think that it's OK for simu to sell custom text-based pets for $2000, etc. so nowadays nobody even bats an eye. People looking in from the outside would probably think all of GS is mentally ill.

[Fierna]

The real irony here is, if we didn’t spend as much on these P2W events the game would have been better. Perhaps much better. GMs , who are actually paid based on how well their items sell or whatever new-fangled must-have item they come up with, won’t be “Fest chasing” or trying to create a new hamster wheel in order to monetize the game better and thus get a better paycheck at the end of the month.

Wyrom would redirect his resources from Pay Fests to something more concrete like post-cap development or the now meme-worthy Savants. Heck even if they put Savants behind a $200 paywall I would take that over another wheel of fortune event. It’s just bizarre, people nowadays get more hyped about a live merchant raffle than actually playing he game. Is it just me? lol

[Mobius1]

The real irony here is, if we didn’t spend as much on these P2W events the game would have been better. Perhaps much better. GMs , who are actually paid based on how well their items sell or whatever new-fangled must-have item they come up with, won’t be “Fest chasing” or trying to create a new hamster wheel in order to monetize the game better and thus get a better paycheck at the end of the month.

Wyrom would redirect his resources from Pay Fests to something more concrete like post-cap development or the now meme-worthy Savants. Heck even if they put Savants behind a $200 paywall I would take that over another wheel of fortune event. It’s just bizarre, people nowadays get more hyped about a live merchant raffle than actually playing he game. Is it just me? lol

This is for sure the biggest issue with the whole thing.

Lack of dev makes for a smaller playerbase, which gives the whales less people to play with. It's a common problem in games that cater specifically to whales.

Now, Wyrom does know this, which is why he did the recent Spring Spectacular or whatever it was called - a token gesture to try and placate us.

It reminds me of my old crappy job that did all kinds of things to screw over its employees, but gave everyone a free lunch once a month, as if that somehow made it right.

[GSIV Rogue]

Josh / Midgar / Mobius1 - You really hit the nail on the head!

Fierna - I have always been mystified by people getting excited for these types of things. I have never attended any quest, fest, etc. - ever. I have participated in a grand total of: less than 5 merchants, gotten 2 alters / services, and received 1 RPA - playing GS since 1998. The only exception was the banaltra invasion which happened game wide back in 2000-2001 - and that was only because my character was on Teras Isle at the time and it was unavoidable (my 1 RPA).

Frankly, I cannot stand to be in a room with more than a few GS players at a time - and never could. I keep lnet untuned - only go on it to sell silvers. Teras Isle and Icemule Trace have always been my favorite areas of the game.

I always knew that it was bad, but what you outline is far worse than anything I could have previously imagined. I knew there were a handful of people who spent a lot of money on GS, but my mind is literally blown at some of the stuff I have just read. I cannot begin to justify that type of emotional attachment to a piece of code that shows up as text in a MUD - that you rent - and have zero control over in the real world (even if you can "afford" it).

To each their own, but I cannot fathom spending any time on GS without playing for free or making a profit for my efforts - just for posterity and principle alone. On a positive note - perhaps the game has more promise for longevity than I originally thought.

[Wrathbringer]

I am one of these retards

Yep

[Wrathbringer]

The people who aren't super invested/addicted to the pay stuff or game itself have mostly moved on.

This is correct.

[Murrandii]

I doubt this has to do with mental illness as you think. It'S more about addiction which EVERYONE has some part of it inside them.

Create a stressful situation and you have different addiction responds. Create events like those which takes HOURS and HOURS to generate this or that outcome, people get tired, people get weaker mentally and become more prone to addicting behaviors which are more often than not emotional and not rational

It'S not a coincidence events in gemstone are not "scratch this and bang, you got result". They know what they're doing.

TAke 100 kids that play video games, give them access to their parent's CC and you'll be surprised about the amount of kids that will fail and use it. The more time passes, the closer you'll get to 100% failure.

Simu does the same. Their events are based on TIME and since they give a little "candy" in every iteration you play, you end up feeding the addiction beast. Multiply this with fatigue that will kicks in, you'll trigger emotional reactions for EVERYONE.

The only way to not tickle this beast is either to acknowledge it and give yourself an hard limit at first, or simply not attending said event.

I DESPISE Simu for doing such events and encouraging people to attend. And before you guys are saying it's the player's responsabilités, please, look yourself at the mirror and remember you had addiction problems like EVERYONE else (on different topics, of course)

[Fortybox]

I DESPISE Simu for doing such events and encouraging people to attend. And before you guys are saying it's the player's responsabilités, please, look yourself at the mirror and remember you had addiction problems like EVERYONE else (on different topics, of course)

Says the person that literally has multiple accounts, playing GS hours upon hours each day, and is reliant upon people paying him (not Simu) to feed his addiction.

[Hightower]

I doubt this has to do with mental illness as you think. It'S more about addiction which EVERYONE has some part of it inside them.

Create a stressful situation and you have different addiction responds. Create events like those which takes HOURS and HOURS to generate this or that outcome, people get tired, people get weaker mentally and become more prone to addicting behaviors which are more often than not emotional and not rational

It'S not a coincidence events in gemstone are not "scratch this and bang, you got result". They know what they're doing.

TAke 100 kids that play video games, give them access to their parent's CC and you'll be surprised about the amount of kids that will fail and use it. The more time passes, the closer you'll get to 100% failure.

Simu does the same. Their events are based on TIME and since they give a little "candy" in every iteration you play, you end up feeding the addiction beast. Multiply this with fatigue that will kicks in, you'll trigger emotional reactions for EVERYONE.

The only way to not tickle this beast is either to acknowledge it and give yourself an hard limit at first, or simply not attending said event.

I DESPISE Simu for doing such events and encouraging people to attend. And before you guys are saying it's the player's responsabilités, please, look yourself at the mirror and remember you had addiction problems like EVERYONE else (on different topics, of course)

They could just be making money from it. You should know that. It seems to be the only reason you play this game.

[Parkbandit]

Says the person that literally has multiple accounts, playing GS hours upon hours each day, and is reliant upon people paying him (not Simu) to feed his addiction.

Wait.. I thought Fierna was MacGuyver?

[Fortybox]

Wait.. I thought Fierna was MacGuyver?

Nah, the Macguyver crap stopped when Murrandii was called out.

[Gelston]

The real irony here is, if we didn’t spend as much on these P2W events the game would have been better. Perhaps much better. GMs , who are actually paid based on how well their items sell or whatever new-fangled must-have item they come up with, won’t be “Fest chasing” or trying to create a new hamster wheel in order to monetize the game better and thus get a better paycheck at the end of the month.

Wyrom would redirect his resources from Pay Fests to something more concrete like post-cap development or the now meme-worthy Savants. Heck even if they put Savants behind a $200 paywall I would take that over another wheel of fortune event. It’s just bizarre, people nowadays get more hyped about a live merchant raffle than actually playing he game. Is it just me? lol

I doubt Wyrom is in charge of where money goes.

[Fierna]

I doubt Wyrom is in charge of where money goes.

The GMs choose what projects they want to do, they aren’t directed by Wyrom to do specific things. However, they get a bigger cut of profits depending upon what projects they worked on and if it made money. Thherefore, the word on the vine is that most GMs opt to do Fests and pay events or pay things. GM Retser for example has worked on nothing but RL dollar things from Reim to half the toys at Duskruin.

[Roblar]

The GMs choose what projects they want to do, they aren’t directed by Wyrom to do specific things. However, they get a bigger cut of profits depending upon what projects they worked on and if it made money. Thherefore, the word on the vine is that most GMs opt to do Fests and pay events or pay things. GM Retser for example has worked on nothing but RL dollar things from Reim to half the toys at Duskruin.


Wrong.

I'm not going to think about all his contributions but I'll throw you a playershops. That is worth 100 of anything associated with pay fests.

[Gelston]

The GMs choose what projects they want to do, they aren’t directed by Wyrom to do specific things. However, they get a bigger cut of profits depending upon what projects they worked on and if it made money. Thherefore, the word on the vine is that most GMs opt to do Fests and pay events or pay things. GM Retser for example has worked on nothing but RL dollar things from Reim to half the toys at Duskruin.

They can pick their projects, sure, but they can't just say "oh I'm not going to do this pay event that corporate told us to run". They still have requirements. Wyrom also likely has nothing to do with how much people get paid. He probably has nothing to do with potential bonuses.

[Murrandii]

And keep in mind wyrom is thought to be paid only 50k + bonus.

Bad leadership in companies or organization is caused by many reasons and of em is poor salaries.

Still, I'm playing along the crap SIMU is creating. The day they stop p2w, people will still buy silvers. Players selling for cash in this game is part of it, like it or not.

[Stumplicker]

50k plus bonus is not a bad salary in big parts of the country, and Simutronics is based in the Midwest's trashcan. I don't know where Mario lives specifically but that's probably a healthy salary unless he lives on the nicer parts of the coast or in a city.

[Fortybox]

50k plus bonus is not a bad salary in big parts of the country, and Simutronics is based in the Midwest's trashcan. I don't know where Mario lives specifically but that's probably a healthy salary unless he lives on the nicer parts of the coast or in a city.

I don't care where you live. 50K salary is pewp.

[Fierna]

50k plus bonus is not a bad salary in big parts of the country, and Simutronics is based in the Midwest's trashcan. I don't know where Mario lives specifically but that's probably a healthy salary unless he lives on the nicer parts of the coast or in a city.

50k plus bonus is what a Domino’s store manager makes like to a tee from where I used to live (Illinois). If Mario lives in “Fly over country” he should be fine. I’d wager his bonus is 5% of net, which probably turns out to be another 25~30k as long as the 2 Dusks and Ebon are relatively successful.

I’m actually more concerned about Mario’s weight (being very serious here). He spends 80 hours+ a week on Gemstone during Fests (which are going on half the time), he needs to control his eating and get on some basic exercise regime (walking by itself is great, simple calisthenics like pushups or rows are enough for maintaining muscle tone). Sounding like my BF now lol.

[Murrandii]

LOL

It's the everyday challenges for most people working with their brain rather than physical bro.

There's lot of such people in gemstone and some even work from home. You just need discipline.

[Fierna]

LOL

It's the everyday challenges for most people working with their brain rather than physical bro.

There's lot of such people in gemstone and some even work from home. You just need discipline.

Yeah, I agree. But sometimes it takes even more discipline to go to the gym or not eat that chocolate cake, especially with a extremely sedentary job like being PM of a computer game.

[Murrandii]

No, he's not exceptional. There's tons of coders playing gemstone or PM (peam is one) or BA (such as I) or whatever.

Stop being a fanboy

[Astray]

I'm more inclined to believe that a lot of players are just your average person with a hobby. It becomes increasingly obvious who the crazier, much more dramatic individuals are when shit doesn't go their way.

Also, who the fuck is OP? Is this another Guyver or something?

[Parkbandit]

50k plus bonus is not a bad salary in big parts of the country, and Simutronics is based in the Midwest's trashcan. I don't know where Mario lives specifically but that's probably a healthy salary unless he lives on the nicer parts of the coast or in a city.

50K salary in any part of the country is not a good salary for a grown ass adult.

[Parkbandit]

I'm more inclined to believe that a lot of players are just your average person with a hobby. It becomes increasingly obvious who the crazier, much more dramatic individuals are when shit doesn't go their way.

Also, who the fuck is OP? Is this another Guyver or something?

That was my guess.

Flaming liberal with a raging hardon for Wyrom = MacGuyver in most cases.

[Fierna]

50K salary in any part of the country is not a good salary for a grown ass adult.

He said 50k plus bonus. A big difference. On Wall Street the actual salary is meaningless since usually your set pay is 125k but your bonus can be 250k+

[Mobius1]

50K salary in any part of the country is not a good salary for a grown ass adult.

How many places around the country have you lived? Cause clearly you don't have much knowledge in this department.

But whatever, I will certainly agree that 50k is a low paying job considering how high up the totem pole he is at Simu. One of Simu's biggest issues is they don't pay their employees.

Now that it's owned by Stillfront, where is all their profit from these events going? Clearly into the pockets of shareholders, and not getting paid to their employees.

Imagine if they actually paid coders, and paid them well. This game would be so much better! The whole free labor model that they have been exploiting for so many years, is bonkers to me.

[Stumplicker]

50K salary in any part of the country is not a good salary for a grown ass adult.

50k in this area would be good on its own, no bonuses included. I bought my mother a house back when the market was depressed for $57,000, all in, fees, inspection, et cetera. Not a mansion, but far from a shithole (image from streetview below). The taxes on it on half an acre of land are $900 a year. She's about 25 minutes out in the sticks from a bigger town, which is fairly normal for this area. She's retired, but even if she wasn't, that house could have been afforded on the state minimum wage, which is $11. I'm in a bigger town in this area about an hour from there and looking at houses in the $100,000 range, about the same size as hers (on a little less land).

50k here without bonuses puts you firmly in the middle class, and this is not a severely depressed area like you'd see in places, for example in parts of the South or West Virginia.

https://i.imgur.com/VK0MNMN.jpg

[Gelston]

50k in Louisiana is pretty good. 75k you're banking.

[Mobius1]

Man wasn't meant to be sedentary. There are tons of benefits to doing a job which requires you to stand on your feet, move around, and do manual labor. Also, if you have a real skill that you can do with your hands, you might just not get replaced by a machine one day. Remember, your health is your wealth:


You do Gemstones ninjutsu to make combat more realistic.

[Taernath]

Crackhead physique is an aspiration now?

[gilchristr]

Pull up your pants man. And sorry you got AIDS, you look terrible. Hang in there.

[Fierna]

Crackhead physique is an aspiration now?

lol, lot of you crack me up sometimes, probably why I tolerate this place so much.

But seriously, he has a decent physique and I can tell he does some training. And it’s his body type that you can really go for this easily:

https://i.giphy.com/media/2XD6RbaeAnS9O/giphy.gif

[Murrandii]

Lol are you out of your mind? He cannot grow muscles like Arnord, he's too skinny.

To build big, you need to be big in the first place.

[Fierna]

Lol are you out of your mind? He cannot grow muscles like Arnord, he's too skinny.

To build big, you need to be big in the first place.

Bulking up as a skinny guy is a lot easier than trying to cut as a fat guy. Skinny guy just needs to lift and stuff his face, Fat guy needs to simultaneously go into caloric deficit while trying to have enough calories/protein to add muscle mass. very hard to balance and maintain.

[audioserf]

Prime Arnold is a generational physique combined with just wild steroids, saying anyone can 'go for that easy' is laughable as shit

This thread is fuckin weird

[Murrandii]

yeah-right-surreeee-meme-300x229

[Fortybox]

50k in this area would be good on its own, no bonuses included. I bought my mother a house back when the market was depressed for $57,000, all in, fees, inspection, et cetera. Not a mansion, but far from a shithole (image from streetview below). The taxes on it on half an acre of land are $900 a year. She's about 25 minutes out in the sticks from a bigger town, which is fairly normal for this area. She's retired, but even if she wasn't, that house could have been afforded on the state minimum wage, which is $11. I'm in a bigger town in this area about an hour from there and looking at houses in the $100,000 range, about the same size as hers (on a little less land).

50k here without bonuses puts you firmly in the middle class, and this is not a severely depressed area like you'd see in places, for example in parts of the South or West Virginia.

https://i.imgur.com/VK0MNMN.jpg

Congrats, you bought your mother a trailer. That will not appreciate all that much.

[Fortybox]

Man wasn't meant to be sedentary. There are tons of benefits to doing a job which requires you to stand on your feet, move around, and do manual labor. Also, if you have a real skill that you can do with your hands, you might just not get replaced by a machine one day. Remember, your health is your wealth:

9430

Salary is only one part of the equation when it comes to financial security. Alone it is meaningless. Knowing how business works and how to manage money effectively is the other. Case in point:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-budget-shows-how-a-350000-salary-barely-qualifies-as-middle-class-2019-09-11


Um, I’m confused as to who is Mavguyver now.

My new peace offering with Murrandii stipulates it’s not him. Fierna or GSIV Rogue are kind of fitting the bill now...

[Murrandii]

Um, I’m confused as to who is Mavguyver now.

My new peace offering with Murrandii stipulates it’s not him. Fierna or GSIV Rogue are kind of fitting the bill now...

LOLOL

You got either now to amuse yourself bro. Please, don't be too hard on em:P

[GSIV Rogue]

You do Gemstones ninjutsu to make combat more realistic.

LOL :D

[Taernath]

The more you post unsolicited pictures of your body and ramble on about 'performance', the more convinced I am that you're a crackhead after my copper wiring.

[audioserf]

You guys check out the sex-haver

[Astray]

The more you post unsolicited pictures of your body and ramble on about 'performance', the more convinced I am that you're a crackhead after my copper wiring.

It's all fun and games till you show up to the job and all the copper is gone and the place is flooded. Right?

[Tgo01]

...so you suspect some people in this community have mental illnesses you say?

[Parkbandit]

50k in this area would be good on its own, no bonuses included. I bought my mother a house back when the market was depressed for $57,000, all in, fees, inspection, et cetera. Not a mansion, but far from a shithole (image from streetview below). The taxes on it on half an acre of land are $900 a year. She's about 25 minutes out in the sticks from a bigger town, which is fairly normal for this area. She's retired, but even if she wasn't, that house could have been afforded on the state minimum wage, which is $11. I'm in a bigger town in this area about an hour from there and looking at houses in the $100,000 range, about the same size as hers (on a little less land).

50k here without bonuses puts you firmly in the middle class, and this is not a severely depressed area like you'd see in places, for example in parts of the South or West Virginia.

https://i.imgur.com/VK0MNMN.jpg

You bought your mom a mobile home and you are bragging about it?

ok?

[Parkbandit]

Man wasn't meant to be sedentary. There are tons of benefits to doing a job which requires you to stand on your feet, move around, and do manual labor. Also, if you have a real skill that you can do with your hands, you might just not get replaced by a machine one day. Remember, your health is your wealth:

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Weird flex I guess.

[Parkbandit]

I had to ask Murrandii who Macguyver was, but I don't think I'm him / her.

My handles on PC have been:

Scintillion
Ryenn
GSIV Rogue

I listed almost all the characters I've ever played in GS since 1998 in the "Who are you?" thread.

I've been active in GS from:
1998-2001 (Consistent)
2002-2008 (On & Off)
2015-2016 (On & Off)
August 2019 - current

I've always been in the minority among the GS community (from my opinions on GS mechanics & role-playing - to real life socioeconomic status & political views). My name is Ryan. I currently play the character Eleftheros in GSIV Prime.

Dude.. you should just join Tinder. I don't think anyone cares about you like that here... and if they do, they should PM you.

Thanks.

[Some Rogue]

You bought your mom a mobile home and you are bragging about it?

ok?

Don't you have some tubs to go install? 50k can be a lot depending on where you live and if you have crotchfruit to raise or not.

[Neveragain]

You bought your mom a mobile home and you are bragging about it?

ok?

Depending on the neighborhood, which this looks pretty close to rural, that lot alone is worth 50k.

I would say he did his mom a solid and at a good deal, if the purchase included the lot.

[Gelston]

Double wide trailers aren't bad when they are new. They can turn ugly real fast though.

[Dud]

Photos of topless dudes.... and double wide trailers.... and the thread's title is I'm beginning to suspect mental illness

Sounds about right.

[Neveragain]

Double wide trailers aren't bad when they are new. They can turn ugly real fast though.

Compared to what you would get in a new home and the new double wides they make now there's really no comparison. The whole I suppose. "trick" to it, is having your own plot of land. Trailer park owners are savages and can make a lot of fucking money.

If a retired couple wanted to buy an acreage, this would be the way to do it instead of building a home (financing is crazy as fuck if you're building your own home). Pour a slab and tie one of these down instead. When there's land included, banks will always be happy to lend.

[GSIV Rogue]

Photos of topless dudes.... and double wide trailers.... and the thread's title is I'm beginning to suspect mental illness

Sounds about right.

Excepting persons who aren't able to function in "normal" society - "mental illness" is mostly a matter of perception and self-awareness. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.

For example, the same traits which "identify" someone as a "narcissist" could be found present in 2 individuals. One person could be driven to excel and become the best they can be in all areas of life important to them - while the other person could become depressed, lonely, and socially isolated. The key is self-awareness and positive action.

Einstein said, "A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or the others crazy?"

Most everyone could be considered insane when considering others' perspectives. Perfect examples: Politics, religion, philosophy, etc.

[Neveragain]

I have owned - and lived in - all of the following at one time in my life:

Single-family home
Trailer
Condo

They each have their pros and cons - it all comes down to what works best for the individual or family. What you say is correct about the land. What many people don't realize is, the structure itself located on any land *always* depreciates in value - while the land itself (barring strange circumstances) usually increases in value over time. It's true that properties with single-family homes on them generally increase the most, all other things being equal. However, a trailer, condo, co-op, or any other real estate investment can be good. The key is buying property that is undervalued and/or distressed.

Unless you're paying premium dollars, the materials they use to make new homes today are garbage. There's really not much difference between the two material wise anymore.

[GSIV Rogue]

Unless you're paying premium dollars, the materials they use to make new homes today are garbage. There's really not much difference between the two material wise anymore.

This is true for most any manufacturing done. Take a look at almost anything made 40-50 years ago and it will undoubtedly be superior to its counterpart today. Cigarette lighters, pots & pans, cars, houses - you name it. Things are made to be more and more disposable as time goes on.

It's sort of a different discussion but if going back in history hundreds or even thousands of years, I believe the same trend to be generally true over time. There is always a price to pay for "easy and convenient."

[Candor]

GS has always had some players suffering from mental illnesses. I have had a few encounters with players who clearly had trouble understanding the difference between the game and actual reality. One player made it clear he was going to call the police because I stole 50 silvers from him. I avoid anyone with these sort of issues.

As the game continues to age, P2W becomes the general approach, and the player population declines, I have found myself less interest in playing. On the average I play around two hours a month. I have too many good memories to quit altogether though.

[GSIV Rogue]

GS has always had some players suffering from mental illnesses. I have had a few encounters with players who clearly had trouble understanding the difference between the game and actual reality. One player made it clear he was going to call the police because I stole 50 silvers from him. I avoid anyone with these sort of issues.

As the game continues to age, P2W becomes the general approach, and the player population declines, I have found myself less interest in playing. On the average I play around two hours a month. I have too many good memories to quit altogether though.

Best way to play GS in 2019:

1) Create a F2P account.
2) Make a pure or semi character that has access to one powerful offensive spell that can be spammed from levels 20-100+ in guarded stance.
3) Level character to 20 using bigshot (useherbs, waggle, and sloot in rest mode).
4) Purchase a basic $14.95 per month subscription.
5) Level character using bigshot (useherbs, waggle, and sloot in rest mode) in areas where there are decent treasure drops. Monitor scripting and tweak as necessary while doing other things you'd normally do. Workout, house work, watch movies, read the news, etc.
6) Amuse yourself with interaction on Discord, PC forums, or lnet with other GS players.
7) Sell silvers to pay for subscription and make a profit.
8) Repeat steps 5-7 until you get bored and sell your character or the game shuts down.

[Murrandii]

I don't disagree with sexyboy. His suggestions are quite what I'd recommand anyone about Gemstone because reasons.

Reasons:

1) SImu DOESN'T CARE about you. Stillfront/Simu only wants to MILK you. Now, before going to start it's capitalism and stuff, keep in mind they're a bunch of hypocrite because VOLONTEERS GMs. I'd totally change my speech if there was paid developers because the game wouldn't be garbage as it is (i.e. savants beheind delayed until forever because wyrom said: We failed with paladins, we failed with monks, we don't want to have feedbacks about another faillure… LOLOLOL)

2) Game is TEDIOUS as hell and they keep that only cause they want to tempt you to bypass steps with simustore. They're hypocrit bastards saying: WE encourage RP, WE Don't want you to be OOC yet for only a 1 dollar fee, you can stop searching for spells and use this pills cause the gods are happy with you, be spelled! No need to search for a cleric if you died! Use our salves!

3) They tweaked 925 and WILL tweak 735 to encourage people to go certificats to enhance further their weaponry. Again, p2w approach. Again, less possibilities BY players but MORE for SIMU

4) Stupid developments such as scripted house or pets or stuff like that. Worth THOUSANDS of millions for some items yet only available if you do this or that.

5) Adding MORE currencies such as the raviolis ONLY to continue to pressure you into buying from them. They SCREWED other currencies such as BS cause they're stupid short term greedy bastards.

I know, some people will say those points are directly against me. It's fair. I have 0 respect for simu, I'll happily play along the rules to profit myself. I trully advise anyone to do so as well.

[Wrathbringer]

GS has always had some players suffering from mental illnesses. I have had a few encounters with players who clearly had trouble understanding the difference between the game and actual reality. One player made it clear he was going to call the police because I stole 50 silvers from him. I avoid anyone with these sort of issues.

As the game continues to age, P2W becomes the general approach, and the player population declines, I have found myself less interest in playing. On the average I play around two hours a month. I have too many good memories to quit altogether though.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Candork talking about mentally ill players HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Man, that's rich. The pc never disappoints. :lol:

[Methais]

Not anyone here per se, I think most of the PC is sane. But I don’t think the general Gemstone populace has their head on straight. Why?

This is my first major Fest and just the zaniness of people putting good RL money over bad is bizzare. An in-game friend of mine gave me a 10 sea diving entry to do DSD so I can see what the hubbub was all about. Suddenly he runs out of passes , a used 50 entry pass. This is where it got frightening. Kinda paraphrasing here: mind you I RP’d with this guy for almost a year, nearly everday.

Give me your pass? Excuse me? Give me your fucking>this language was used< pass. Oh no you ran out! here, I got a ton of SCs I haven’t touched let me gift you a 25 pass as a thank you gift this 10- pass only has 3 more on it anyway. No, just giving me that pass I gave you, I fucking gave it to you just now. Muted horror as this was something I never saw in him as he’s the type to talk all like ,”Hoow guz et, Lazz?” even in OOC whisper.

So, I give him the pass and he does the three runs in hyper speed while I wait outside at the ladder. He pauses probably when he ran out of passes to get more on the store then just quietly does more runs. Feeling awkward and kinda scared I log out. After dinner and watching Netflix for about an hour and I log back in. I catch him coming up, and he’s still at it. Lnet DM and nothing. I kinda felt sad for him after that.

Anyway, one of the more odd experiences at this Fest.

Most of us have been saying this about the P2W crowd for a while now.

They're just too stupid and/or mentally ill to realize how badly they're getting fucked with this slot machine (gambling for text) bullshit.

I'd have a lot less of a problem with Simu's P2W shit there wasn't so much slot machine randomness involved that's deliberately designed to fuck people.

But at the end of the day, it's still the customer's fault for being an idiot.

[Methais]

On a positive note - perhaps the game has more promise for longevity than I originally thought.

Once the whales die irl or get bored and move on, GS will die.

There's no creativity left at Simu. That's why everything they release now has some years long unlocking process. They've long since given a fuck at all about the game's integrity. Not that they gave many fucks about it in the first place, at least not for a really long time, but now it's all P2W, flooring it towards that cliff like Thelma & Louise.

How quickly they'll drive off that cliff will most likely depend on how long it takes the whales to die/quit, because Simu won't have a fucking clue what to do without them.

[Methais]

Man wasn't meant to be sedentary. There are tons of benefits to doing a job which requires you to stand on your feet, move around, and do manual labor. Also, if you have a real skill that you can do with your hands, you might just not get replaced by a machine one day. Remember, your health is your wealth:

9430

Salary is only one part of the equation when it comes to financial security. Alone it is meaningless. Knowing how business works and how to manage money effectively is the other. Case in point:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-budget-shows-how-a-350000-salary-barely-qualifies-as-middle-class-2019-09-11

Is this what retirement at 37 and living off ramen looks like?


The more you post unsolicited pictures of your body and ramble on about 'performance', the more convinced I am that you're a crackhead after my copper wiring.

I thought it was a Hood post at first. :lol:

[Methais]

Don't you have some tubs to go install? 50k can be a lot depending on where you live and if you have crotchfruit to raise or not.

I lol'd at "crotchfruit" :lol:

[Methais]

Trailer park owners are savages and can make a lot of fucking money.

Only if you hire a good trailer park supervisor. Preferably one who is the recipient of the IATPTPSAATPS award.

https://i.imgur.com/mDA9epp.jpg

[GSIV Rogue]

I don't disagree with sexyboy. His suggestions are quite what I'd recommand anyone about Gemstone because reasons.

Reasons:

1) SImu DOESN'T CARE about you. Stillfront/Simu only wants to MILK you. Now, before going to start it's capitalism and stuff, keep in mind they're a bunch of hypocrite because VOLONTEERS GMs. I'd totally change my speech if there was paid developers because the game wouldn't be garbage as it is (i.e. savants beheind delayed until forever because wyrom said: We failed with paladins, we failed with monks, we don't want to have feedbacks about another faillure… LOLOLOL)

2) Game is TEDIOUS as hell and they keep that only cause they want to tempt you to bypass steps with simustore. They're hypocrit bastards saying: WE encourage RP, WE Don't want you to be OOC yet for only a 1 dollar fee, you can stop searching for spells and use this pills cause the gods are happy with you, be spelled! No need to search for a cleric if you died! Use our salves!

3) They tweaked 925 and WILL tweak 735 to encourage people to go certificats to enhance further their weaponry. Again, p2w approach. Again, less possibilities BY players but MORE for SIMU

4) Stupid developments such as scripted house or pets or stuff like that. Worth THOUSANDS of millions for some items yet only available if you do this or that.

5) Adding MORE currencies such as the raviolis ONLY to continue to pressure you into buying from them. They SCREWED other currencies such as BS cause they're stupid short term greedy bastards.

I know, some people will say those points are directly against me. It's fair. I have 0 respect for simu, I'll happily play along the rules to profit myself. I trully advise anyone to do so as well.

/Agree

[Methais]

They should probably have an exercise program for GS players so that this doesn't happen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-kdRdzxdZQ

Make it available from the Simucoin store or free to the clinically obese GS player with a letter from their doctor. It may help with the whales of GS not dying irl.

A lot of GS players are simply old now too. Even the ones who are in shape.

[GSIV Rogue]

Most of us have been saying this about the P2W crowd for a while now.

They're just too stupid and/or mentally ill to realize how badly they're getting fucked with this slot machine (gambling for text) bullshit.

I'd have a lot less of a problem with Simu's P2W shit there wasn't so much slot machine randomness involved that's deliberately designed to fuck people.

But at the end of the day, it's still the customer's fault for being an idiot.

/Agree - except I have pause with anyone who pays for anything in GS - randomness or not.

If the game were truly great and marketed properly, they could make enough money off advertising alone to go to a completely free model for all players.

[Methais]

/Agree - except I have pause with anyone who pays for anything in GS - randomness or not.

It's much worse when it involves gambling. If it was more like "HEY GUYS YOU WANT THIS SWORD? $1000 AND IT'S YOURS" would be a lot more respectable than the current P2W model.

[Fortybox]

That is what a man with a great body looks like. ;)

More like someone who is on drugs, doesn’t shave eyebrows and whitens his teeth to look like chicklets.

[Fortybox]

Nah. No drugs or alcohol - just clean food and 7xs a week of working out. I manscape my brows twice a week (they've always been large), and my teeth are a combination of veneers and crowns - no need to whiten - just spend about 1 hour per day brushing, flossing, and waterpicking + go to the dentist once every 3 months for cleanings / maintenance.

Thanks, as always, for your comments. :D

Um...your picture supports the drugs. 7x a week workouts does not support your body pick unless by working out you mean women’s yoga.

Who brushes their teeth for an hour a day???

[Murrandii]

LOL

SEriously

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Tgo01]

This is the most PC thread in the history of the PC.

[Derex]

Um...your picture supports the drugs. 7x a week workouts does not support your body pick unless by working out you mean women’s yoga.

Who brushes their teeth for an hour a day???

Lollll

[Taernath]

https://i.imgur.com/K2s8lkc.jpg

[Gelston]

Um...your picture supports the drugs. 7x a week workouts does not support your body pick unless by working out you mean women’s yoga.

Who brushes their teeth for an hour a day???

He has to, to prevent meth mouth.

[Murrandii]

Awesome man, what is that a picture of?

One is the picture of a horrible supervilain that needs attention. The other is Venom

[Murrandii]

Doing humor for me in English is super hard.

Did you find my joke to punch well?

[Methais]

Sorry, I didn't know English wasn't your first language. I meant no offense.

I just really liked the "supervilain" title and was curious what I did to deserve it.

I don't think supervillain was the word he was after because language barrier.

He probably meant something more like when you post you come across kind of like...

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/521/d95.png

[Murrandii]

Sorry, I didn't know English wasn't your first language. I meant no offense.

I just really liked the "supervilain" title and was curious what I did to deserve it.

you're controversial, therefore, you must be a supervillain

[GSIV Rogue]

Confucius said, "No matter where you go, there you are."

[Murrandii]

Cool, I'm just me. We all have our good and bad points.

How would you describe your coolness bro?

Also

What are the reasons (provide 5) of your success in life you'd say?

[GSIV Rogue]

How would you describe your coolness bro?

Also

What are the reasons (provide 5) of your success in life you'd say?


Everyone whose words, actions, and thoughts all match up is pretty cool in my book.

1) Learn from failure
2) Never give up
3) Surround yourself with the right people
4) Learn from others' mistakes / advice
5) Just do it


This guy has a lot of the right ideas:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU7Y6HiLXto

"Almost is a way of life to almost everybody in America - but the winners do it."

[Methais]

Everyone whose words, actions, and thoughts all match up is pretty cool in my book.

1) Learn from failure
2) Never give up
3) Surround yourself with the right people
4) Learn from others' mistakes / advice
5) Just do it


This guy has a lot of the right ideas:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU7Y6HiLXto

"Almost is a way of life to almost everybody in America - but the winners do it."

If we ever have a poll for most generic post in PC history, this one gets my vote.

Also, reported for not using Shia meme in favor of Shart Williams.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/67b871908254e99e144f1b8bd8d06a97/tenor.gif?itemid=5218204

[Tonic]

I wanted to speak to the original first few post of this text before it turned into the search for macguyver and all that other jive. I suffer from Depression and Anxiety and probably have for most life. The unfortunate part is nothing was done about it until I had a complete break down in my early 30's. Looking back after I was put on medication I am wondering why no one said or did anything for over 30 years. The most they did was tease me and call me Eeyore and say I was so monotone and blah.

Moving on to the second part. I've played gemstone on and off since the AOL days with most of time being when FGB, Felhafters, were the heavy hitters and going any where from 500k to 1 mil, big money then. I recently came back when I got an email saying you could play for free now, boy was I excited. My excitement didn't last long as I found out F2P sucks. So i quickly upgraded to a standard account and purchase silvers from PC so I could outfit my character the way I wanted and I could just enjoy RP and working on guild and artisans skills.

Fast forward today and I have been around for almost 2 years, have another account I purchased characters with so I could spell up my main, and have about 8 alts that I have this wonderful idea behind. but instead of playing them I have spent $1000's of USD outfitting and messing around with weapons I don't even know if I would enjoy playing. After reading text about addiction and P2W (which I am not sure how you win gemstone) It took me aback as that is me and now I have been questioning do I scaled back. Do I stop playing all together, What do I do? I have so much time and money invested that I know I will never get back.

Anyhow thanks for reading my ramble just needed to get this off my chest to people who might better understand as I get a lot of heat from friends and family for playing GSIV

[Methais]

I wanted to speak to the original first few post of this text before it turned into the search for macguyver and all that other jive. I suffer from Depression and Anxiety and probably have for most life. The unfortunate part is nothing was done about it until I had a complete break down in my early 30's. Looking back after I was put on medication I am wondering why no one said or did anything for over 30 years. The most they did was tease me and call me Eeyore and say I was so monotone and blah.

Moving on to the second part. I've played gemstone on and off since the AOL days with most of time being when FGB, Felhafters, were the heavy hitters and going any where from 500k to 1 mil, big money then. I recently came back when I got an email saying you could play for free now, boy was I excited. My excitement didn't last long as I found out F2P sucks. So i quickly upgraded to a standard account and purchase silvers from PC so I could outfit my character the way I wanted and I could just enjoy RP and working on guild and artisans skills.

Fast forward today and I have been around for almost 2 years, have another account I purchased characters with so I could spell up my main, and have about 8 alts that I have this wonderful idea behind. but instead of playing them I have spent $1000's of USD outfitting and messing around with weapons I don't even know if I would enjoy playing. After reading text about addiction and P2W (which I am not sure how you win gemstone) It took me aback as that is me and now I have been questioning do I scaled back. Do I stop playing all together, What do I do? I have so much time and money invested that I know I will never get back.

Anyhow thanks for reading my ramble just needed to get this off my chest to people who might better understand as I get a lot of heat from friends and family for playing GSIV

P2W is just a general term. The closest thing to "winning" at GS is hitting true cap (all trainable skills maxed), which is also pretty useless, as most of those things trained in are never going to be used. So far I think Kaedra is the only one to do this in Prime. Pretty sure it's been done in Shattered but that doesn't count.

Most if not all of the P2W items aren't necessary to advance your character. It's almost all novelty bullshit. You can still level 0-100 using off the shelf gear. P2W gear might make a lot of that easier and quicker, but this game is already easy mode so a lot of the time all that P2W gear is overkill, despite the flashy cool looking text scrolling with whatever.

Just hang onto the gear you already have, which is most likely way more than enough to kill things with forever, and avoid P2W events altogether. It shouldn't take long before you realize you don't really need any of it and have been pissing away tons of money.


I get a lot of heat from friends and family for playing GSIV

https://i.imgflip.com/3e8ezt.jpg

[audioserf]

Actually, bro, I think you'll find that 'winning' GSIV involves enjoying an engrossing and fulfilling roleplaying experience where you experience Elanthia and its wonders through the eyes of your character, STOOPIT

[Taernath]

P2W is just a general term. The closest thing to "winning" at GS is hitting true cap (all trainable skills maxed), which is also pretty useless, as most of those things trained in are never going to be used. So far I think Kaedra is the only one to do this in Prime. Pretty sure it's been done in Shattered but that doesn't count.

For MMOs, RPGs, and particularly games like GS, the 'win' condition can include having the prettiest outfits and most interesting toys, which mostly come from paid events these days.

[Murrandii]

And don't underestimate the "marketing" approch of SIMU and their ambassadors.

They DO promote their stuff and you have ambassadors that are happily telling you those things are fun cause reasons.

Anecdote: There was that girl I will censor the name. She was SO desparate to get a dhu kitten. Why? Cause it would improve her attachement to her character and it would increase her fun in the game.
Real reason according to me? Some people were saying it was a fun item to have and some KEY people have em. You know who I am refering to.

When I was discussing with her, I told her: Do you understand the value of said kitten is 200$ in equivalence. She told me stuff about this silvers isn't real money and all..

…


Simu and ambassadors ARE trying to make you THINK some things aren't worth what you truly pay in equivalence (and I'm not considering TIME here).

[Methais]

For MMOs, RPGs, and particularly games like GS, the 'win' condition can include having the prettiest outfits and most interesting toys, which mostly come from paid events these days.

Winning in GS is based on how many people someone has cybered in Silvergate.

[Mobius1]

At least with a Dhu Kitten, you can sell it later and get your silvers back. It may even go up in value.

But a lot of the event related rewards, on the other hand, are not going to let you recoup what you put into it. Unless you strike the jackpot on the slot machine. They really pray on people's addiction.

Imagine if your kid got your credit card in GS! :O

[Taernath]

Imagine if your kid got your credit card in GS! :O

It would be like us racking up hours of GS charges on our parents' AOL bill. The cycle continues.

[GSIV Rogue]

P2W is just a general term. The closest thing to "winning" at GS is hitting true cap (all trainable skills maxed), which is also pretty useless, as most of those things trained in are never going to be used. So far I think Kaedra is the only one to do this in Prime. Pretty sure it's been done in Shattered but that doesn't count.

Most if not all of the P2W items aren't necessary to advance your character. It's almost all novelty bullshit. You can still level 0-100 using off the shelf gear. P2W gear might make a lot of that easier and quicker, but this game is already easy mode so a lot of the time all that P2W gear is overkill, despite the flashy cool looking text scrolling with whatever.

Just hang onto the gear you already have, which is most likely way more than enough to kill things with forever, and avoid P2W events altogether. It shouldn't take long before you realize you don't really need any of it and have been pissing away tons of money.



https://i.imgflip.com/3e8ezt.jpg


/Agree

I would add - try underhunting some - use lich/bigshot (monitor scripting) with off-the shelf gear and see how you do. Once you see you can level adequately (it will be more challenging - but is definitely do-able), I'd probably liquidate the gear and sell the silvers.

[GSIV Rogue]

At least with a Dhu Kitten, you can sell it later and get your silvers back. It may even go up in value.

But a lot of the event related rewards, on the other hand, are not going to let you recoup what you put into it. Unless you strike the jackpot on the slot machine. They really pray on people's addiction.

Imagine if your kid got your credit card in GS! :O

I have been so uninvolved with events in GS I assumed that people doing P2W were literally getting guaranteed gear for cash from either Simu or other players (which I thought was bad enough). I really had no idea (until about the last week or so) that they were just spending money to play casino games in the events for a *chance* to win big. SMH.

[GSIV Rogue]

Winning in GS is based on how many people someone has cybered in Silvergate.

Winning GS =

1) RL cash made on GS > RL cash spent on GS - for entire lifetime history of playing GS.
2) True Cap
3) #1 on overall Fame

[Mobius1]

Winning GS =

1) RL cash made on GS > RL cash spent on GS - for entire lifetime history of playing GS.
2) True Cap
3) #1 on overall Fame

Sounds like a crazy reason to be playing an old text based RPG!

If I got to a point where I felt I "beat" GS, it would have nothing to do with game mechanics. It would probably have to do with roleplaying, or roleplaying based achievements.

But whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[Methais]

Winning GS =

1) RL cash made on GS > RL cash spent on GS - for entire lifetime history of playing GS.

✓

2) True Cap

Close enough


Level: 329 Deeds: 5
Experience: 46685421 Death's Sting: None
Exp. to next TP: 2079 Recent Deaths: 2
Physical TPs: 3098 Mana: 112/503 max
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 1484651301
Exp to next: 44579
(3108 Phy converted to Mnt)

Methais (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 0 0
Armor Use..........................| 70 15
Shield Use.........................| 0 0
Combat Maneuvers...................| 201 101
Edged Weapons......................| 0 0
Blunt Weapons......................| 0 0
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 0 0
Ranged Weapons.....................| 201 101
Thrown Weapons.....................| 217 117
Polearm Weapons....................| 201 101
Brawling...........................| 201 101
Ambush.............................| 0 0
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 201 101
Physical Fitness...................| 201 101
Dodging............................| 201 101
Arcane Symbols.....................| 302 202
Magic Item Use.....................| 302 202
Spell Aiming.......................| 302 202
Harness Power......................| 403 303
Elemental Mana Control.............| 302 202
Mental Mana Control................| 0 0
Spirit Mana Control................| 70 15
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 187 87
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 160 60
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 90 20
Elemental Lore - Water.............| 130 35
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 0 0
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 0 0
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 0 0
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 0 0
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 0 0
Mental Lore - Transference.........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 0 0
Survival...........................| 201 101
Disarming Traps....................| 201 101
Picking Locks......................| 302 202
Stalking and Hiding................| 201 101
Perception.........................| 302 202
Climbing...........................| 201 101
Swimming...........................| 201 101
First Aid..........................| 302 202
Trading............................| 302 202
Pickpocketing......................| 201 101

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 127

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 75

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 101


3) #1 on overall Fame

✓

I've changed my mind. The only player to beat GS so far has been Wyrom. And Stillfront if we're counting non-players.

[GSIV Rogue]

✓


Close enough


Level: 329 Deeds: 5
Experience: 46685421 Death's Sting: None
Exp. to next TP: 2079 Recent Deaths: 2
Physical TPs: 3098 Mana: 112/503 max
Mental TPs: 0 Fame: 1484651301
Exp to next: 44579
(3108 Phy converted to Mnt)

Methais (at level 100), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 0 0
Armor Use..........................| 70 15
Shield Use.........................| 0 0
Combat Maneuvers...................| 201 101
Edged Weapons......................| 0 0
Blunt Weapons......................| 0 0
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 0 0
Ranged Weapons.....................| 201 101
Thrown Weapons.....................| 217 117
Polearm Weapons....................| 201 101
Brawling...........................| 201 101
Ambush.............................| 0 0
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 201 101
Physical Fitness...................| 201 101
Dodging............................| 201 101
Arcane Symbols.....................| 302 202
Magic Item Use.....................| 302 202
Spell Aiming.......................| 302 202
Harness Power......................| 403 303
Elemental Mana Control.............| 302 202
Mental Mana Control................| 0 0
Spirit Mana Control................| 70 15
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 187 87
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 160 60
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 90 20
Elemental Lore - Water.............| 130 35
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 0 0
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 0 0
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 0 0
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 0 0
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 0 0
Mental Lore - Transference.........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 0 0
Survival...........................| 201 101
Disarming Traps....................| 201 101
Picking Locks......................| 302 202
Stalking and Hiding................| 201 101
Perception.........................| 302 202
Climbing...........................| 201 101
Swimming...........................| 201 101
First Aid..........................| 302 202
Trading............................| 302 202
Pickpocketing......................| 201 101

Spell Lists
Major Elemental....................| 127

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 75

Spell Lists
Wizard.............................| 101



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I've changed my mind. The only player to beat GS so far has been Wyrom. And Stillfront if we're counting non-players.


I didn't know Wyrom was a player. Definitely Stillfront if we're counting non players. I think you're the closest to beating GS currently by my standards. One question, once you reach True Cap and max out all skills, do you continue to gain exp. / TPs, or does it "shut off" your ability to do so. I wonder if it's like the old fame where the system begins to break down.

[Methais]

I didn't know Wyrom was a player. Definitely Stillfront if we're counting non players. I think you're the closest to beating GS currently by my standards. One question, once you reach True Cap and max out all skills, do you continue to gain exp. / TPs, or does it "shut off" your ability to do so. I wonder if it's like the old fame where the system begins to break down.

Wyrom was a player a long time ago and posted on here as ThePonzzz. He's been on staff for a while, but I'd say going from player to PM is probably as close to "beating" GS as it gets.

Of course there's always the issue of GS is ruined for you forever from a player's perspective one you see how the sausage is made, but yeah.

[Fierna]

Wyrom was a player a long time ago and posted on here as ThePonzzz. He's been on staff for a while, but I'd say going from player to PM is probably as close to "beating" GS as it gets.

Of course there's always the issue of GS is ruined for you forever from a player's perspective one you see how the sausage is made, but yeah.

You could argue he’s been so pawned by GS that it’s taken over his life completely making him effectively a thrall of the game and it’s owners.

I think the only real winner of GS was that 15 year old kid back in 1995 who dialed up AoL and played GemStone for a while then just saying ,” meh, this is stupid..” and never coming back to it, ever.

[Fortybox]

You could argue he’s been so pawned by GS that it’s taken over his life completely making him effectively a thrall of the game and it’s owners.

I think the only real winner of GS was that 15 year old kid back in 1995 who dialed up AoL and played GemStone for a while then just saying ,” meh, this is stupid..” and never coming back to it, ever.

Shut up Macguyver GSIV Rogue

[GSIV Rogue]

Wyrom was a player a long time ago and posted on here as ThePonzzz. He's been on staff for a while, but I'd say going from player to PM is probably as close to "beating" GS as it gets.

Of course there's always the issue of GS is ruined for you forever from a player's perspective one you see how the sausage is made, but yeah.

I remember ThePonzzz.

@Sausage - Probably correct. I think it's probably better off just to remain a player and make a few side dollars without the stresses of work, management, etc.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfmrenqw5YHakrHo8eG47q9MaxAqaVe JhPKJQ90lrJXO3lCYQYVg&s

I was trying to see if there was a cache of the boxing pic and came across this gem.

[Murrandii]

You could argue he’s been so pawned by GS that it’s taken over his life completely making him effectively a thrall of the game and it’s owners.

I think the only real winner of GS was that 15 year old kid back in 1995 who dialed up AoL and played GemStone for a while then just saying ,” meh, this is stupid..” and never coming back to it, ever.

You're supposly 20 something years old.

How do you know about that? Man, stop trolling GS4 Rogue