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Rough up some prisoners to get info, sure. Scare them, humiliate them, fine. But WTF is up with imprisoning CHILDREN?
Parkbandit
03-11-2005, 12:33 PM
I had a little brother that was 10 that I used to take hunting with me. He could fire a weapon extremely well at that age.
We hold trials for children all the time in the US.. how again is this different?
Wezas
03-11-2005, 12:37 PM
I'm sure the US Gov't would have agreed to torture Behrooz for information if his mother didn't cut that deal with CTU. :!:
This war is going from bad to worse.
They should at least be holding CHILDREN at a separate facility than the one for adult prisoners.
Originally posted by Parkbandit
I had a little brother that was 10 that I used to take hunting with me. He could fire a weapon extremely well at that age.
We hold trials for children all the time in the US.. how again is this different?
"The documents include statements from six witnesses who said three interrogators and a civilian interpreter at Abu Ghraib got drunk one night and took a 17-year-old female prisoner from her cell. The four men forced the girl to expose her breasts and kissed her, the reports said. The witnesses - whose names were blacked out of the documents given to the ACLU - said those responsible were not punished. "
"Another soldier said in January 2004 that troops poured water and smeared mud on the detained 17-year-old son of an Iraqi general and ``broke'' the general by letting him watch his son shiver in the cold"
pretty different...
Originally posted by Parkbandit
I had a little brother that was 10 that I used to take hunting with me. He could fire a weapon extremely well at that age.
We hold trials for children all the time in the US.. how again is this different?
Apathy truely scares me more than the threat of terrorists. Rationalizing the absurd so that it fits within an acceptable practice is more dangerous than any bomb.
How many 11 years olds have you ever met that were prisoners of war?
Perhaps the 11 year olds should not be fighting in a war?
- Arkans
Chadj
03-11-2005, 01:31 PM
I didn't read the artical VERY closely, but I can't see anything that said the children were fighting in anything.
Originally posted by Arkans
Perhaps the 11 year olds should not be fighting in a war?
- Arkans
Maybe they' re not.
"Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wodjakowski, then the No. 2 Army general in Iraq, told her in the summer of 2003 not to release more prisoners, even if they were innocent. "
Then I agree that that would bw wrong, but we should keep in the ones that ARE fighting.
- Arkans
Originally posted by Arkans
Then I agree that that would bw wrong, but we should keep in the ones that ARE fighting.
- Arkans
Keep ok, but in the same facility as adults?
In the case of one 12 year old boy, it was his father not him who was guilty. But they abused the boy to get a confession out of the father.
Lets not take into account that a 12 year old can walk up to a check point with a bomb under his coat.
A 12 year old boy should not be kept in the same facility as men. I do not even believe that a 12 year old boy knows the real ramifications of actually fighting in this type of war.
- Arkans
Chadj
03-11-2005, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Dave
Lets not take into account that a 12 year old can walk up to a check point with a bomb under his coat.
Yeah. And because they can, we should arrest every single person in the world that is capable of doing that.
Oh shit, that's like, everyone that can walk!
If they are innocent, (ESPECIALLY innocent children) there is no reason they should be in there. Period.
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 02:24 PM
They should have their own facility and not be put in with the men nor should they suffer the atrocities that those men suffer in the POW camps.
Parkbandit
03-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Backlash
Originally posted by Parkbandit
I had a little brother that was 10 that I used to take hunting with me. He could fire a weapon extremely well at that age.
We hold trials for children all the time in the US.. how again is this different?
Apathy truely scares me more than the threat of terrorists. Rationalizing the absurd so that it fits within an acceptable practice is more dangerous than any bomb.
How many 11 years olds have you ever met that were prisoners of war?
Yea.. because apathy kills people everyday.
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Originally posted by Dave
Lets not take into account that a 12 year old can walk up to a check point with a bomb under his coat. Lets also take into account that even in the United States children who are convicted of committing crimes are not held in the same facilities as adult prisoners.
Section them off, yes i agree.
Originally posted by DeV
Originally posted by Dave
Lets not take into account that a 12 year old can walk up to a check point with a bomb under his coat. Lets also take into account that even in the United States children who are convicted of committing crimes are not held in the same facilities as adult prisoners.
This is not the U.S. and *If* they have children i doubt there are 100's or anywhere near enough to hold in a facility on their own.
This war is going from bad to worse.
And where do we go from here?
What scares me most is (as someone else posted just here) the apathy and willingness to view a situation like this and simply turn to the "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" philosophy.
Regardless of how many Americans die in terrorist attacks or in actual war, there should never be a time where the torture or even "mild abuse" of children, no matter what nationality, is considered just. There can be no justification for such atrocities. War is vile enough without this.
And I am not saying these children were perfectly innocent, that is not my point. Perhaps it's off topic but I guess my point was really more about the attitude and quickness so many of us have to justify such things when there is no way for us to really know the whole story.
Originally posted by Dave
This is not the U.S. and *If* they have children i doubt there are 100's or anywhere near enough to hold in a facility on their own. Wow. Can you at least try to fucking comprehend at least one thing today.
If its such a issue quit bitching about how much war costs.
Parkbandit
03-11-2005, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by xtc
This war is going from bad to worse.
Six enlisted soldiers have pleaded guilty to military charges for their roles in abuses at Abu Ghraib, and Pvt. Charles Graner Jr. was convicted at a court-martial this year and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
I wouldn't consider the whole war going worse because of a few people breaking the law.
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