Which Flares to pick

[Maerit]

So probably 75% of my attacks on my warmage are with the gloves. I'm adding flares to:

7x, 5CER Crit/3CER Damage weighted, T5 ensorcelled gloves with KO Flares. Due to the weighting on the gloves, you'd need a good cleric and maybe paladin with 1604 to bless them for any meaningful length of time (and with UAC, you're going to "swing" them a lot more and run out of charges a lot faster than standard weapons). For that reason, I stick to spells vs undead and pummel the living with my fists.

I also rely on spells to knock things over with 1s RT (202 ranks of EMC). I either open with 501 or 410 depending on the number of targets in the room. Sometimes 909 stomp for no RT. So, for this specific character, knock-down flares might not be incredibly valuable... however they might be the most valuable flare you could add?

The options I need to pick from are: Grapple, Disintegrate, Plasma or Dispel flares.

I also want to keep resale in mind since these gloves could eventually end up on the market, and I don't want the flares to detract from the resale value. Any tips as to which flares would benefit myself or any future user the most would be appreciated!

[audioserf]

Grapple flares are just bad for offensive purposes. Dispel flares are pointless. If I can hit the thing I don't need to dispel it.

I'd say Disintegrate or Plasma, Disintegrate is safe everywhere but Plasma will explode you in the Bowels. That's your determining factor. For resale, Dinsintegrate may be best.

[Donquix]

Grapple flares are just bad for offensive purposes. Dispel flares are pointless. If I can hit the thing I don't need to dispel it.

I'd say Disintegrate or Plasma, Disintegrate is safe everywhere but Plasma will explode you in the Bowels. That's your determining factor. For resale, Dinsintegrate may be best.

Don't really agree that grapple is bad at all, and dispel flares a bit situational but wouldn't be nearly as bad on a UAC mstrike / warmage / bard type build compared to like a lance / thw paladin. Knocking off cloak of shadows or something with a jab would be kind of ok i guess. But they are situational in that not everything has spells on them you care about (and as a wizard, specifically, you can just rapid fire 530/417)

I'd also go with disint, just because it would work everywhere, and with your build you do get less benefit from the grapple knockdowns.

[Taernath]

Don't really agree that grapple is bad at all

The grapple crit table is really, really bad. Like, ice kills on a rank 6-9 head crit, but grapple kills only at rank 9, and there are no grapple death crits to the eyes and -entire- torso. The flavor and knockdowns/silences/sleeps are kinda okay, but are they better that just straight murdering something? Debatable.

Disintegrate all the way.

[khorpulent]

Taco flares boi

[audioserf]

I have grapple on my empath's armor because if something can hit me I want to for sure knock it down

I used grapple flaring UAC gloves for a while and was extremely underwhelmed by them from an offensive standpoint

Each to their own

[Donquix]

The grapple crit table is really, really bad. Like, ice kills on a rank 6-9 head crit, but grapple kills only at rank 9, and there are no grapple death crits to the eyes and -entire- torso. The flavor and knockdowns/silences/sleeps are kinda okay, but are they better that just straight murdering something? Debatable.

Disintegrate all the way.

There are no sleeps / silences with grapple flares. UCS grapple != "regular" grapple flares

Death crits are cool and all when they happen with weapons but you generally aren't causing rank 5+ crits with flares to get a death crit. If you are it's probably not even hitting a vital area. It's neat and all but, that's really like a "oh, cool" however the vast majority of the time you're doing rank 4 or under, and like everything is a knockdown with grapple. Damage values are basically identical across all flares, or at least not different enough that it matters for the most part. All things being equal i'll take a huge percent chance to knockdown on every flare over a small chance to get a death crit.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18WUtegCdx7HpO2LZzfzMlfStRczC7-nAcPIUnLY35AU/edit#gid=0

Specifically for a warmage though, it's not like wizards have a problem proning an entire room. But damn man, for most other classes that can't spend 1 second of soft RT or less (tremors) to knock everything in the room down it's pretty hard not to get a lot of mileage out of a flare with similar damage but like, 5x the chance to knockdown.

[Maerit]

Well, the survey results are in. I've requested Taco flares with my rare flare cert.

[khorpulent]

The correct answer is actually to use your cert on something else. Why ruin a perfectly good set of KO gloves with flares? They'll be worth more for resale if they're still blessable, anyhow.

[Methais]

I'm going to need to see the messaging on the taco flares before I can make a fair vote.

[Ososis]

7x, 5CER Crit/3CER Damage weighted, T5 ensorcelled gloves with KO Flares. Due to the weighting on the gloves, you'd need a good cleric and maybe paladin with 1604 to bless them for any meaningful length of time (and with UAC, you're going to "swing" them a lot more and run out of charges a lot faster than standard weapons).

A capped master voln bless would still bless that for about 75 swings, any decent cleric could bless the hell out of those. Sorry, I know it's not the question being asked, but the general assumptions of weight vs blessing are skewed pretty hard due to assumptions based in old mechanics. For example, if a cleric (or cleric/paladin combo) can hit the blessing swing cap of a 999 bless, that means they could bless a 24 CER crit weighted weapon for 100 swings. (and its possibly more depending on how the swing cap works with the weight reductions. I hope to test this soon) That same bless would give your gloves 929 swings.

[Mobius1]

The correct answer is actually to use your cert on something else. Why ruin a perfectly good set of KO gloves with flares? They'll be worth more for resale if they're still blessable, anyhow.

This. I personally would pay to have flares REMOVED from my gloves!

[Taernath]

I'm going to need to see the messaging on the taco flares before I can make a fair vote.

0 0 Blast of taco scent to head leaves mouth watering. none none
1 5 Minor burns to roof of mouth. That hurts a bit. none R1
2 10 Burst of spicyness to mouth flushes face! Yeeoww! S1 R1
3 15 Molten cheese burns tongue. S3 R2
4 20 Shard of sharpened taco shell pierces roof of mouth. Sickening! S6 R2
5 25 Hot ground beef incinerates scalp completely and blacken scullcap. S10 R3
6 30 Mouth explodes in flames! Grab some milk. F R3
7 35 Ghost pepper sauce sets a [target]'s head alight like a torch. Burned beyond recognition. F R3
8 40 Head resembles bloody taco salad. F R3
9 50 Taco explodes in mouth, splattering sizzling bits of flesh and bone everywhere. F R3

[khorpulent]

I vote Taernath for GM

[Fortybox]

0 0 Blast of taco scent to head leaves mouth watering. none none
1 5 Minor burns to roof of mouth. That hurts a bit. none R1
2 10 Burst of spicyness to mouth flushes face! Yeeoww! S1 R1
3 15 Molten cheese burns tongue. S3 R2
4 20 Shard of sharpened taco shell pierces roof of mouth. Sickening! S6 R2
5 25 Hot ground beef incinerates scalp completely and blacken scullcap. S10 R3
6 30 Mouth explodes in flames! Grab some milk. F R3
7 35 Ghost pepper sauce sets a [target]'s head alight like a torch. Burned beyond recognition. F R3
8 40 Head resembles bloody taco salad. F R3
9 50 Taco explodes in mouth, splattering sizzling bits of flesh and bone everywhere. F R3

9 50 Taco explodes from anus, sending bits of flesh, bone and shart everywhere. F R3

[Methais]

0 0 Blast of taco scent to head leaves mouth watering. none none
1 5 Minor burns to roof of mouth. That hurts a bit. none R1
2 10 Burst of spicyness to mouth flushes face! Yeeoww! S1 R1
3 15 Molten cheese burns tongue. S3 R2
4 20 Shard of sharpened taco shell pierces roof of mouth. Sickening! S6 R2
5 25 Hot ground beef incinerates scalp completely and blacken scullcap. S10 R3
6 30 Mouth explodes in flames! Grab some milk. F R3
7 35 Ghost pepper sauce sets a [target]'s head alight like a torch. Burned beyond recognition. F R3
8 40 Head resembles bloody taco salad. F R3
9 50 Taco explodes in mouth, splattering sizzling bits of flesh and bone everywhere. F R3

This needs to be implemented immediately, along with taco weapons.


9 50 Taco explodes from anus, sending bits of flesh, bone and shart everywhere. F R3

Delayed damage over time effect from taco flares that cause R3 abdomen injury and bleeding for 25 per.

[khorpulent]

9 50 Taco explodes from anus, sending bits of flesh, bone and shart everywhere. F R3

Think you're confusing that with Taco Bell flares.