View Full Version : WTF has happened to Michael Jackson?
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 10:27 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150097,00.html
This is just a story about how some think he's going to commit suicide any day now due to all the pressure of financial problems and the molestation case. Personally, and according to many people, he's full of shit and has been for a long time.
What perplexes me is that I used to really like him, not just as an entertainer, but as a person. During his years of "Off the Wall" and "Thriller" he was really fun to watch, see his life with his family and fans. He was even cute! Now he's just scary looking and a total fucking mystery to me.
This incident with him yesterday of a backache and going to the hospital and then going to court a few hours late is just insane, let alone stupid for him to do. He's so faking his illnesses to get out of going to court and try and control this whole fiasco. The judge doesn't seem to put up with his bullshit though. He was going to have him arrested if he didn't show up in an hour. And he does.. in his pajamas with fucked up hair, yet perfect makeup. And then turns around, not once but twice, to wave to his fans. Bad back, my ass.
Just wanted to rant a little about the singer I once admired and liked and now am totally embarrased for. Kinda sad.
theotherjohn
03-11-2005, 10:29 AM
IMO,
I think MJ has been doing the best designer drugs for over 20 years.
and this is the result
Brattt8525
03-11-2005, 10:49 AM
As an entertainer I admired his obvious talents, as a human being he scared the hell out of me. I couldn't even bring myself to feel sorry for his obvious dislike of his whole personal appearence. The man has changed so much about his face I bet there isn't much left that he was born with. Too have so much talent and fame and money then waste it all is a sin.
SpunGirl
03-11-2005, 10:50 AM
He's someone who has always been able to buy everything he wants. The only thing he's been unable to purchase, despite continuous efforts to do so, is the return of his childhood. That doesn't excuse what (I believe) he's done or his bizarre behavior. That man is fucked in the head and should be dealt with accordingly.
-K
Edaarin
03-11-2005, 11:13 AM
I still can't help but wonder if the plaintiffs were actually harassed or if their parents just want a cash payout.
Regardless, Michael Jackson needs to be isolated from any human contact. Creepy just to look at.
Parkbandit
03-11-2005, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Edaarin
I still can't help but wonder if the plaintiffs were actually harassed or if their parents just want a cash payout.
Regardless, Michael Jackson needs to be isolated from any human contact. Creepy just to look at.
That's just it. The parents have a very shady past of stalking celebrities for money. I think they are just as guilty of being disgusting human beings as MJ.
I believe that MJ did sexually molest children.. but he will end up being found innocent because the plaintiffs are just pathetic money grubbing fuckstains.
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 12:10 PM
I believe that MJ did sexually molest children.. but he will end up being found innocent because the plaintiffs are just pathetic money grubbing fuckstains.
And that bothers me. I don't really care what reasons the plantiffs had to chase him, it still does not excuse what MJ did, and that's going to be lost into the cracks and he'll go on being his fucking pig self and do it again.
[Edited on 3/11/2005 by CrystalTears]
I’ll bet a bottle of Jesus Juice he flees the country before going to jail.
I honestly can't say that Michael Jacksan was guilty of molesting this child. The family has an incredibly shady past and Michael has had problems like this before, so he makes a prime target.
His case is an extremely unfortunate one in that he never had a childhood or really grew up in an abusive family. I hope he gets found innocent in this case.
- Arkans
SpunGirl
03-11-2005, 12:33 PM
I semi-agree, Backlash. I think he'll try, but will be unsucessful. Maybe they'll shoot his helicopter down or a Simpson-esque chase will ensue. It's sure to be good either way.
-K
I don't see him fleeing the country at all.
- Arkans
Brattt8525
03-11-2005, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Arkans
I honestly can't say that Michael Jacksan was guilty of molesting this child. The family has an incredibly shady past and Michael has had problems like this before, so he makes a prime target.
His case is an extremely unfortunate one in that he never had a childhood or really grew up in an abusive family. I hope he gets found innocent in this case.
- Arkans
I do believe he has done this, if he is not guilty/has an obsession with little boys wouldn't the saying once bitten twice shy be his motto?
Edaarin
03-11-2005, 12:36 PM
WTF ARKANS YOURE SUPPOSED TO POUR HATERADE ON HIM FOR BeING BLACK
SpunGirl
03-11-2005, 12:37 PM
Let's see. They found fingerprints of MJ's and fingerprints of the boy in question on p0rn. Hm. What other evidence do you need? Maybe he was just trying to give him a sex-ed talk, yeah, that's it.
-K
Parkbandit
03-11-2005, 12:37 PM
I think this is a case in which he can win due to the history of the plantiffs. There's no reason to flee.
Skeeter
03-11-2005, 12:38 PM
Clearly he has a mental illness. hopefully he'll someday get the treatment he needs. No rational person would behave in this manner.
There is nothing wrong with Michael Jackson that a bullet to the head wouldn't fix.
pr0n != sexual molestation, unfortunately. We have to remember what we're trying him for here.
- Arkans
PS: I'm sticking up for him OBVIOUSLY because he "saw the light and became white"
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 12:41 PM
I think he's just surrounded himself with people who will say yes to anything. Basically he's built up this whole fantasy world around himself with no one to sort of bring him out of it and now this court case is making him come back to a harsh and cold reality. I feel sorry for him, to be honest.
Oh, for sure he isn't living in the real world and I honestly believe that is what he wants. He was robbed of his childhood and is trying his best to recreat it. It really is a sad case.
- Arkans
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 12:44 PM
Give me a break with the robbing of his childhood bullshit. He had lots of brothers and sisters and they all got the same raw deal. You don't see them in the news molesting children.
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 12:45 PM
None of them were multi multi multi millionaires. None of them got half the fame he did or has.
Edaarin
03-11-2005, 12:45 PM
The South Park episode on him was a hair from crossing the line between funny and just disturbing.
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 12:47 PM
Wow, Janet doesn't have millions?
Besides, his millions and fame still doesn't excuse his behavior.
[Edited on 3/11/2005 by CrystalTears]
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 12:47 PM
She doesn't or didn't have hundreds of millions, no.
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Edaarin
The South Park episode on him was a hair from crossing the line between funny and just disturbing.
What was more disturbing was the reality. Did they show the "living with Micheal Jackson" documentry over there?
HarmNone
03-11-2005, 12:48 PM
I have to agree MJ's plight is a sad one. He didn't have much of an upbringing. He's a sad case, to be sure.
As for the current case against him, at this point, we don't know who did what to whom. Just because both MJs prints and the child's prints are on a magazine does not mean they both touched said magazine at the same time. The child COULD have found the magazine without anyone else's knowledge.
I have no idea whether MJ is guilty of child molestation. There have been so many twists and turns in this case, and so many lies told now and in the past, that I don't see how anybody could say they know for sure...except MJ and anyone else who was directly involved.
[Edited on 3-11-2005 by HarmNone]
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 12:50 PM
This is also the second time he's been charged with molesting a child. How many freebies are we going to give him because of his oh so sad childhood and life?
I could have sworn he was never found guilty last time, so he obviously didn't do it and it was not a "freebie". Now, if you think a charge should automatically equal a conviction in our country, well, then..
- Arkans
HarmNone
03-11-2005, 12:52 PM
The first accusation wasn't proven, either. In this country, you're innocent until proven guilty. Personally, I find him repugnant. Yet, I have no way of knowing for sure if he's guilty of the crimes with which he's been charged. That's really all I'm saying.
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 12:56 PM
I just think he's getting away with too much, is all. I do realize that he wasn't found guilty and you're innocent until proven guilty.. I know this. But it pains me that this is the second time this comes up and this may be thrown out too, and he needs to learn that what he does is not right.
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 12:56 PM
Way to point the guilty finger before he's had a chance to be proven guilty. If you want to be stupidly pedantic you could spout off that he's NOT been proven of child molestation. You could also say the two mothers who are accusing could themselves be accused of manipulation and are LYING to get the money from a settlement. The kid has already admitted he's lied while under oath before, so why not again? I'm betting MJ is thanking God you or such people like you AREN'T on the jury. Personally, I'll accuse him of the things he's done when he's found guilty.
WTF, I can't believe I'm agreeing with StrayRogue.
- Arkans
SpunGirl
03-11-2005, 01:01 PM
Yeah, they showed that documentary over here. It was freaky. He was sitting there with the dude saying, "I like to get the kids in my bedroom, turn down the lights, put on music and have milk and cookies." How can he not understand that this is NOT appropriate? It's gross.
-K
It may not be appropriate, but that surely isn't illegal.
- Arkans
HarmNone
03-11-2005, 01:03 PM
Actually, that sounds kinda like the "sleepovers" we used to have as children...or, at least, it could be interpreted that way. :shrug:
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Way to point the guilty finger before he's had a chance to be proven guilty. If you want to be stupidly pedantic you could spout off that he's NOT been proven of child molestation. You could also say the two mothers who are accusing could themselves be accused of manipulation and are LYING to get the money from a settlement. The kid has already admitted he's lied while under oath before, so why not again? I'm betting MJ is thanking God you or such people like you AREN'T on the jury. Personally, I'll accuse him of the things he's done when he's found guilty.
How many kids have to come forward before we believe them.
Jackson's lawyers are hammering away at this poor kid. His "lie" was that when he was 8 or 9 he stated in a deposition that his parents didn't fight. Big fucking deal no child wants to admit his parents fight. And that had nothing to do with this case.
How many times do you figure Jackson has lied in this case?
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 01:03 PM
MJ's employees have admitted giving the children alcohol. MJ himself has admitted to sleeping in the same bed (ew ew ew), they've found the evidence of the porn and the child has been able to explain way too much of what MJ looks like naked. Blech.
Look, I don't really want him to go to jail. He won't live in there. That's not the environment for him. But he does need help. I want him to get it. And the more people shove aside these things and point the fingers back at the parents, he will never get the help he needs. I think he's mental. I think he has severe problems. If that makes me stupid, so be it. Whatever malicious plans the parents had, it doesn't excuse his actions is what I'm getting at. Sorry if that makes me stupid and naive, that's how I feel.
SpunGirl
03-11-2005, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by HarmNone
Actually, that sounds kinda like the "sleepovers" we used to have as children...or, at least, it could be interpreted that way. :shrug:
I never had a sleepover where that kind of activity ocurred in the bedroom of an adult. Much less in the BED of an adult.
-K
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 01:05 PM
As I said, I'm not going to be the retard to say he's guilty before he's provent innocent. I'll leave that to people like you.
StrayRogue
03-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by CrystalTears
Look, I don't really want him to go to jail. He won't live in there. That's not the environment for him. But he does need help. I want him to get it.
That I agree with.
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by HarmNone
Actually, that sounds kinda like the "sleepovers" we used to have as children...or, at least, it could be interpreted that way. :shrug:
Did your parents crawl into bed with your friends? Cause no sleepover I had was ever like that. ;)
Killer Kitten
03-11-2005, 01:07 PM
He likes to share his bed with young boys. Even if he never touched them, this sort of behavior is highly inappropriate.
Even more inappropriate is the behavior of these childrens' parents, who know that this man has a history of alleged sexual abuse of children yet allow their kids unsupervised overnight visits to his home.
Are they out of their freaking minds? Or so star struck that they're willing to risk the possibility of their children becoming molestation victims just to bask in some sort of sick reflected glory from the Michael Jackson name/myth?
Those parents ought to be shot. Also, proof of molestation or not, there is proof that Jackson acts inappropriately with young children and should not be in their company without supervision. This includes his own children as well. It is totally not normal for a grown man to share his bed with unrelated prepubescent boys.
SpunGirl
03-11-2005, 01:08 PM
I agree about the parents, I cannot imagine what they were thinking.
-K
HarmNone
03-11-2005, 01:09 PM
Heh. No, that's not what I meant. I think it's possible that MJ thinks of himself as a child, rather than an adult. He's never matured emotionally. I'm not saying that's a fact, but that it is a possibility.
If that's the case, then it would really be, to him, like having a buch of his peers over to spend the night. We see it as children climbing into bed with an adult. It's possible that he sees it as a bunch of children having a sleepover, with himself being just another of the children.
HarmNone
03-11-2005, 01:12 PM
I can definitely agree that the parents of these kids should be shot. There had been allegations of sexual abuse made against MJ before. There's no way my kid would have gone anywhere near him. It isn't a risk I would have been willing to take.
I can also agree that he needs help desperately, and that he should not be allowed to be in the company of children in anything other than a very public setting.
Originally posted by StrayRogue
As I said, I'm not going to be the retard to say he's guilty before he's provent innocent. I'll leave that to people like you.
Not sure why anyone would get upset over people forming and expressing an opinion on evidence thats already out there. We aren’t the ones deciding his fate.
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 01:18 PM
Because StrayRogue likes finding opportunities to insult me. :shrug: Apparently I'm not allowed to have opiinions.
Originally posted by CrystalTears
MJ's employees have admitted giving the children alcohol. MJ himself has admitted to sleeping in the same bed (ew ew ew), they've found the evidence of the porn and the child has been able to explain way too much of what MJ looks like naked. Blech.
Look, I don't really want him to go to jail. He won't live in there. That's not the environment for him. But he does need help. I want him to get it. And the more people shove aside these things and point the fingers back at the parents, he will never get the help he needs. I think he's mental. I think he has severe problems. If that makes me stupid, so be it. Whatever malicious plans the parents had, it doesn't excuse his actions is what I'm getting at. Sorry if that makes me stupid and naive, that's how I feel.
You are nicer than me. I think MJ should be in the general population of a jail. I couldn't care less about his childhood or his problems. The man has sexually assaulted children.
"but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea"
Matthew 18:6
Sounds like a fitting punishment to me.
Nieninque
03-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Its great that people here are sticking up for the civil liberties of a paedophile.
Now if only they could extend that compassion to the less abusive people in the world.
Anyone who buys off a charge against them, has a lot to answer for.
Show me where he was proven to be guilty? Oh, you can't. I forgot. Good way to be all "tolerant" and "equal rights for everyone" Bulllllshit.
- Arkans
Originally posted by Arkans
Show me where he was proven to be guilty? Oh, you can't. I forgot. Good way to be all "tolerant" and "equal rights for everyone" Bulllllshit.
- Arkans
There is a mountain of evidence against the man. Jackson will get more consideration and a far "fairer" trial than you or I ever would.
Jackson's rights are far from being trampled on.
I know you are just sticking up for your own :lol:
Nieninque
03-11-2005, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Arkans
Show me where he was proven to be guilty? Oh, you can't. I forgot. Good way to be all "tolerant" and "equal rights for everyone" Bulllllshit.
- Arkans
Proportionality is the word I would use here.
I would argue for anyone's civil liberties up until the point of screwing over someone elses civil liberties in doing so.
I believe the act of sorting out Michael Jackson simply on the basis of the evidence we have heard about so far to be proportionately better than allowing him to carry on in the way that he has done and potentially abusing more children.
I believe that showing children pornographic magazines is abuse. That in itself is enough to show him as a risk of harm to children.
I too believe in the innocent until proven guilty credence. But, there is no way in hell anyone in their right mind should believe this man doesn't have serious issues, ranging from mental to physical, and especially involving our most fragile of people... children.
He might be innocent, for now, but he needs help. No denying that.
For my own? Since when I am an accused child molester?
- Arkans
For my own? Since when I am an accused child molester?
- Arkans
I believe that MJ did sexually molest children.. but he will end up being found innocent because the plaintiffs are just pathetic money grubbing fuckstains.
This is the worst thing, it's like so many great "justice"shows where real bad guys get away because the witnesses are discredited. You think MJ can't afford at least what OJ could? Hell, he doesn't even have to buy a vowel.
I don't watch much TV except for Deadwood and Carnivale these days so I haven't seen any of the hype, but I'm guessing if OJ could get away with murder, and all those priests weren't even defrocked, why wouldn't Little Michael get away with playing with his pals?
Now if this happened on Deadwood or Carnivale, he wouldn't last a week.
CrystalTears
03-11-2005, 02:07 PM
Heh, your own as in white people. Well... pseudo white people.
Originally posted by rupa
I believe that MJ did sexually molest children.. but he will end up being found innocent because the plaintiffs are just pathetic money grubbing fuckstains.
This is the worst thing, it's like so many great "justice"shows where real bad guys get away because the witnesses are discredited. You think MJ can't afford at least what OJ could? Hell, he doesn't even have to buy a vowel.
I don't watch much TV except for Deadwood and Carnivale these days so I haven't seen any of the hype, but I'm guessing if OJ could get away with murder, and all those priests weren't even defrocked, why wouldn't Little Michael get away with playing with his pals?
Now if this happened on Deadwood or Carnivale, he wouldn't last a week.
OMG THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE!!!
Heh, great shows.
SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- A forensic analyst testified Thursday that at least one of the prints recovered from sexually explicit magazines seized from Michael Jackson's Neverland ranch belongs to his accuser's younger brother.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/24/jackson.trial/index.html
That evidence alone doesnt imply that he molested the kids (since kids will filch their dad's playboys and such when given the chance) but considering the other allegations of sleeping in the same bed, etc. etc. It doesnt look good for MJ.
CrystalTears
03-25-2005, 01:14 PM
I'm just waiting for the day they put MJ on the stands.
Lawyer: Did you sleep with the boys in your bed?
MJ: Yes.
Lawyer: Why?
MJ: Because we were playing. We just wanted to sleep together. Nothing wrong in that. Just like a sleepover. You're being ignorant.
Good lord.
I wonder if thats how he threw his back out...
:whistle:
Edaarin
03-26-2005, 06:44 PM
http://photos.reuters.com/pictures/ViewImage.aspx?type=Entertainment&currentPicture=1 4&photoName=galleries/newspictures/2005-03-16T174916Z_01_MJT10_RTRIDSP_2_CRIME-JACKSON.jpg
Doyle Hargraves
03-26-2005, 06:47 PM
The opposite of Michael Jackson is Michael Jacksoff.
Jorddyn
03-26-2005, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by Edaarin
http://photos.reuters.com/pictures/ViewImage.aspx?type=Entertainment&currentPicture=1 4&photoName=galleries/newspictures/2005-03-16T174916Z_01_MJT10_RTRIDSP_2_CRIME-JACKSON.jpg
:wtf:
Um... frogs?
Jorddyn
Farquar
03-26-2005, 09:56 PM
This case is the defenses' to lose.
Past history and conduct of the parents = reasonable doubt.
And the pr0n mags? All the defense has to do is structure the questioning so that the jury knows that 1) the kids were unsupervised; 2) the kids had full run of the house; 3) the mags were in a readily accesible area (ie not in a locked safe). There's some more reasonable doubt.
Hulkein
03-26-2005, 09:58 PM
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Artha
03-26-2005, 10:48 PM
I don't watch much TV except for Deadwood and Carnivale these days so I haven't seen any of the hype, but I'm guessing if OJ could get away with murder, and all those priests weren't even defrocked, why wouldn't Little Michael get away with playing with his pals?
Now if this happened on Deadwood or Carnivale, he wouldn't last a week.
If this had happened on Oz, he wouldn't have rated more than 'extra'.
[Edited on 3-27-2005 by Artha]
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