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A recent article (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7125921/) reports that in past years blacks made up 23 percent of the army but now have dropped to 13 percent. Overall recruiting is down over disagreement with Iraq and the possibility of facing combat.
There are counter-recruiters (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/usatoday/20050308/ts_usatoday/counterrecruitersshadowingthemilitary) out there, anti-war Viet Nam vets who have as much access to young people as the recruiters do, but much less man power or budget.
For those of you who defend or believe that this war is the right thing to do, you ought to go down to your nearest recruiting station. Sounds like they need you.
theotherjohn
03-09-2005, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by Backlash
For those of you who defend or believe that this war is the right thing to do, you ought to go down to your nearest recruiting station. Sounds like they need you.
I sometimes think that recruting is not down. It is only recruiting the ones who want to be in the military.
A lot of those numbers from prior years are inflated by people who were looking for a temporary job and money for school.
Warriorbird
03-09-2005, 08:32 AM
Believe me, the money for school is really appealing. I think TOJ's right.
Sure it is. And the chance to travel and live in another country really appeals to me as well.
Getting sent to WWIII isn’t exactly on the top of everyone’s career moves though.
Warriorbird
03-09-2005, 08:51 AM
Precisely. Leading a lot of people to not go through with it.
I was going to join the air force but right before I was going to join we invaded Iraq. So that kinda broke the deal with me.
[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Azul]
Wezas
03-09-2005, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Azul
I was going to join the air force but right before I was going to join we invaded Iraq. So that kinda broke the deal with me.
I think you're not alone there, Azul.
I'm sure a decent portion of those thinking of joining the military would be joining for the money for college and to put it on their resume.
But Iraq made them think twice.
Originally posted by Wezas
But Iraq made them think twice. The recruiters seemed to be stepping up their efforts like crazy around that time too, which makes sense. I remember my brother getting phone calls from army recruiters at the house almost weekly for at least over two months time.
Kuyuk
03-09-2005, 11:15 AM
The US military can suck my cock. And I'm sure half of the idiots in it, just might.
K.
Jolena
03-09-2005, 11:18 AM
I have mixed feelings on this. I mean, yes people join the military for money and traveling experience, but it IS a military. Did they really think that joining one would mean no fighting in a war? I think most people hope not to have to fight in a war, but when you join a military, you do so with the knowledge that yes you might have to fight in a war. :shrug: Just seems a bit odd to me.
If those people didn't agree with why the military is in Iraq (and no, I don't agree either) then I can understand why joining would be out of the question at this point in time. I dunno, just seems a bit silly to *only* join the military to get money for college and to travel.
theotherjohn
03-09-2005, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Jolena
Did they really think that joining one would mean no fighting in a war?
yes many do think that.
Many who join have no clue what the military really is
Kuyuk
03-09-2005, 11:25 AM
<Many who join have no clue what the military really is>
A joke.
K.
theotherjohn
03-09-2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Kuyuk
<Many who join have no clue what the military really is>
A joke.
K.
and the only reason you are able to say it is a joke is because of the work done by the "joke"
Kuyuk
03-09-2005, 11:35 AM
<and the only reason you are able to say it is a joke is because of the work done by the "joke">
Yeah, back in 1776 maybe.
K.
Parkbandit
03-09-2005, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Kuyuk
<Many who join have no clue what the military really is>
A joke.
K.
If by joke, you mean it allows you to sit in your home all nice and safe and protects your freedom of posting stupid shit on a message board.. then you are correct.
Well earned award.. here you go:
Parkbandit
03-09-2005, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Kuyuk
<and the only reason you are able to say it is a joke is because of the work done by the "joke">
Yeah, back in 1776 maybe.
K.
Sorry.. you can't earn the dumbshit award twice in one day. You should have saved this ignorant post until tomorrow.
Kuyuk
03-09-2005, 11:39 AM
Lol.
I'm sure I'd be sitting here all safe and sound if we didnt piss off every other country [or near every] in the world.
It's amazing what happens when you dont piss people off.
K.
Christ Kuyuk, are you fucking brain damaged? Just stop posting. Right now. You're retarded.
The fact remains that you can do what you do because of the military. Hate how its done? Get the fuck outta here.
- Arkans
Kuyuk
03-09-2005, 11:46 AM
<<Christ Kuyuk, are you fucking brain damaged? Just stop posting. Right now. You're retarded.
The fact remains that you can do what you do because of the military. Hate how its done? Get the fuck outta here.
- Arkans >>
I know you're posting, but all I read is Dduuurrrrr.
K.
Perhaps you should take the cock out of your eyes then.
- Arkans
theotherjohn
03-09-2005, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Kuyuk
Lol.
I'm sure I'd be sitting here all safe and sound if we didnt piss off every other country [or near every] in the world.
It's amazing what happens when you dont piss people off.
K.
then move to one of those and see how good your life is then
Parkbandit
03-09-2005, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Kuyuk
Lol.
I'm sure I'd be sitting here all safe and sound if we didnt piss off every other country [or near every] in the world.
It's amazing what happens when you dont piss people off.
K.
Yes.. that's what Poland thought.. right before Germany took over their country within a week.
Again.. you can only win the award ONCE per day. Stop trying so hard.. I won't change the rules.
In some countries, mandatory military service is required by all, within a certain age range. No exceptions.
In that sense, we are very fortunate to be able to have the choice of serving or not. And also, it's nice to know there are those willing to step up to the plate, regardless of their reasons and perform military service.
That'd be about 6 weeks, PB, and Russia invaded from the East. OH DIP!
- Arkans <--- WWII history buff
Please don't feed the trolls.
Parkbandit
03-09-2005, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Arkans
That'd be about 6 weeks, PB, and Russia invaded from the East. OH DIP!
- Arkans <--- WWII history buff
Indeed... I stand corrected. 6 weeks though back then was like 2 days today.
A military is a neccessity of any country.
In this country, of course, some of our wars have allowed us freedoms. The original war to do this was fought by more of a militia than a military.
Not all wars we’ve had are directly responsible for keeping us comfy and safe at home though.
Jonty
03-09-2005, 12:18 PM
US Military Needs You
I'd gladly join, but they discharged me in 2001 for having asthma. They won't let me back in.
Anebriated
03-09-2005, 02:52 PM
Do I believe the military is needed?
Without a doubt I do. There are too many potential threats to go without having a ready system for defense.
Would I have joined the military before little Bush?
Yes, and I looked into joining the Air Force as well. They have better housing, better conditions, and more interesting technology(was planning on going into a tech field).
Would I join now?
Not a chance. I refuse to join a service where I am forced to follow a leader I have little/no respect for. I do not believe we went into the war for the right reasons. Was it necissary, maybe, but not in the way Bush went about it. Granted some good has come out of the whole ordeal, I still would not want a worthless piece of shit(read: Bush) to have full command over sending me places when I do not trust or believe in his ideals.
To all of you in the service now I commend you. You are helping to keep the peace in the world. TBH though I feel there is more need for the billions we are spending on this war in our own country. Clinton did a wonderful job in reducing the countries debt, Bush did a wonderful job in bringing us right back into debt.
Parkbandit
03-09-2005, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by ElrodinClinton did a wonderful job in reducing the countries debt, Bush did a wonderful job in bringing us right back into debt.
Someone needs an economics and history lesson I see.
Don't worry, many people that don't really know believe the same stupid thing. It's what we call in the political world as "spin".
Warriorbird
03-09-2005, 03:27 PM
Heh heh. Sort've like spending doubling under the Republican Congress is spin, Parkbandit?
:whistles:
Warriorbird
03-09-2005, 03:29 PM
If I ever join the miliary, it'd be in the JAG corps.
Hulkein
03-09-2005, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Kuyuk
Lol.
I'm sure I'd be sitting here all safe and sound if we didnt piss off every other country [or near every] in the world.
It's amazing what happens when you dont piss people off.
K.
plz stfu
Parkbandit
03-09-2005, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Warriorbird
Heh heh. Sort've like spending doubling under the Republican Congress is spin, Parkbandit?
:whistles:
Excellent example of spin Warriorbird.
And when regular people come to realize the truth about all this spin, the spinners will say that it was the “liberal media” or the prostesters fault for unconvering it. Because if you don’t know or want to know its happening, it actually isn’t.
[edited for better punctuation]
[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Backlash]
Because it all boils down to one giant conspiracy.
Hulkein
03-09-2005, 04:14 PM
You forgot the !!!!111 DeV. ;)
Parkbandit
03-09-2005, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Backlash
And when regular people come to realize the truth about all this spin, the spinners will say that it was the “liberal media” or the prostesters fault for unconvering it. Because if you don’t know or want to know its happening, it actually isn’t.
[edited for better punctuation]
[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Backlash]
You should have also edited for better spelling. I thought it was the prostitutes fault at first.
Latrinsorm
03-09-2005, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Elrodin
I refuse to join a service where I am forced to follow a leader I have little/no respect for.You don't respect the man, you respect the rank. That's why regardless of how you feel about Bush, you would stand up if he walked into the room even as a civilian (or you should, anyway).
Originally posted by Parkbandit
You should have also edited for better spelling. I thought it was the prostitutes fault at first.
Doh!!! Mark this day in your calendars. I’m going to agree with PB.
Originally posted by Backlash
A recent article (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7125921/) reports that in past years blacks made up 23 percent of the army but now have dropped to 13 percent. Overall recruiting is down over disagreement with Iraq and the possibility of facing combat.
There are counter-recruiters (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/usatoday/20050308/ts_usatoday/counterrecruitersshadowingthemilitary) out there, anti-war Viet Nam vets who have as much access to young people as the recruiters do, but much less man power or budget.
For those of you who defend or believe that this war is the right thing to do, you ought to go down to your nearest recruiting station. Sounds like they need you.
So when did you join?
Betheny
03-09-2005, 09:50 PM
Oh man, Backlash in a uniform?
Hawt.
I dunno, I'd totally re-enlist if WWIII kicked off.
Artha
03-09-2005, 11:24 PM
I've been practicing my sticks and stones skills for WWIV.
Hulkein
03-09-2005, 11:37 PM
Is that an Einstein quote?
Something like 'I know not what weapons will be used in WWIII, but I know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.'
Probably botched it, haven't seen it in a long time.
Tsa`ah
03-09-2005, 11:41 PM
"I know not with what weapons WWIII will be fought"
But ya ... good call.
Darnell
03-09-2005, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by Arkans
- Arkans <--- WWII history buff
Shouldn't that say participant?
D
Hah! But I'm alive!
- Arkans
Anebriated
03-10-2005, 10:23 PM
Orginally posted by Parkbandit
Someone needs an economics and history lesson I see.
Don't worry, many people that don't really know believe the same stupid thing. It's what we call in the political world as "spin".
Please enlighten me on what really happened then PB, as I was under the impression that what I stated was correct. You tell me I am wrong and show no support of why I am wrong. I do not claim to be political, never have and I never will. But I do know when someone has increased the national budget when we are sliding further into debt in the first place it cant be a good thing.
Originally posted by Latrinsorm
You don't respect the man, you respect the rank. That's why regardless of how you feel about Bush, you would stand up if he walked into the room even as a civilian (or you should, anyway).
I respect the position, but I do not respect the man in the position. Sure if the president walks into the room I will stand, but I will not be rushing to give him a handjob. If there was a president in power whom I respected I would have most likely joined the military already, but I havent because I dont respect Bush. The wonderful freedom our military has given us is letting me choose not to follow him, and I am thankful for that.
How about that war in Iraq?
How about Democrazy? (Republic)
Gosh, aren’t they happy now?
Recruitment numbers are down across the army, mostly in the Reserves and Nasty Guard, though I am not sure why.. okay I am sure why. The media has made it seem as if everyone over in Iraq is national guard or reserves and if you are in either of the two you will be deployed, which is untrue. There are far more active military in Iraq, and about 2x as many people in the national guard and reserves compared to active army. I believe the numbers right now of the 1500 some deaths over there is right around 280 national guard and reserve soldiers that have lost their lives.
There is also a current anti recruiter movement going around college campuses, and I found it out first hand this week. I have been home on a program called AHRP (Army Hometown Recruiting Program) where after AIT (advanced Individual training) you return to your hometown and get a week or two of extra leave by going in and helping out the recruiters in your area for a few hours a day. A select few students made daily attempts to start arguments and even fights with the recruiters, and myself in their attempt to get us off of the college campus. They were sadly misinformed about the Army as a whole. Stating things like the army can change your contract whenever they want (in reality the army is the only one that guarantees you training, navy, marines, air force are all able to change your contract if it suits them).
Contrary to what a lot of people here believe, the military is a good way of life if you're not turned away by the inherent danger that comes with the job. People who are not going to college are able to gain skills that once they are out will push them above their peers in the civilian world. It is a escape for many from the darker path in life they may have taken, a escape form the environment they grew up in which offers a chance at being successful. You're taken care of in the military as well in more ways than one. Families are more than welcome and DOD schools are far better than the average of civilian schools. The army also pushes for you to continue your education, not only though money offered but by incentives for things like promotions, the more education you have the better chance you have at being promoted. How many of your jobs spend as much time as the military does on raising morel?
It is a different life than the normal, and you have to give up a lot to live it. Some give the ultimate sacrifice, their own lives. There are a lot of people in the Army however who did not just join for college money, and there are those that did join for money but 20 years later are still here. Many of those that stay do so because the love their country, and the way of life that the military offers. Some stay because in the army they found their niche in life and are content and happy there, others because they are willing to fight for the freedoms that you all take for granted, others do so because they feel it is their responsibility because others are unwilling to, others for the love of America and what it stands for. The people who have not lived the life cant understand the reasons people volunteer to join the army, and stay. That is the best thing though, everyone volunteered, we are not german or korean we are not required to be here, we choose to be here, we sign our name on the paper and pledge our lives and our time to the country.
Edit: (change the you all's to some, there are those that do not take things for granted)
[Edited on 3-11-2005 by Dave]
Elrodin, if who is in charge matters then you would not cut in the military.
[Edited on 3-11-2005 by Dave]
Anebriated
03-11-2005, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Dave
Elrodin, if who is in charge matters then you would not cut in the military.
as stated before:
"I respect the position, but I do not respect the man in the position."
I made the choice to follow other oppertunities because I did not want to put my life in the hands of someone I dont believe in. I hate my boss at work but I still do well there. Only difference is my current boss cant send me to my death for a cause that I dont agree with.
Someone photoshop this with backlash's pic.
[Edited on 3-11-2005 by xtc]
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Copy and paste the message below then email to the decision makers to show your support.
To whom this may concern,
Troops need tourniquets. They need the best ones we can obtain for them. They needed them yesterday, they need them today and will need them tomorrow.
Because military medical experts have recommended that combat tourniquets be issued to all troops, we encourage you to take swift action on this issue.
You have our support to expedite the immediate purchase of combat tourniquets and to ship them to all coalition troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, where military medical personnel can conduct training in the proper use of this life-saving device.
Respectfully,
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
George W. Bush
President@WhiteHouse.gov
Dick Cheney
Vice.President@WhiteHouse.gov]
[Edited on 3-11-2005 by Backlash]
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