Why is TOJ talking about how I use racial slurs in completely unrelated threads?

[Bobmuhthol]

^

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Bobmuhthol]

[Warriorbird]

Maybe the joke thread? All the racist sigs and such?

[Bobmuhthol]

Excuse me? The joke thread I posted ONE thing in about the ability to silence guns vs. women? THAT'S RACIST?

RACIST SIGS? What is going on?

Didn't you have some Nazi stuff in your sig a while back?

[Bobmuhthol]

If having lyrics about or a picture of Rudolph Hess makes me a racist, then something is very wrong with society.

[Warriorbird]

You're right...only two of your posts in there could be even potentially classified as racist....

With that said... Nazi sympathizing references and some of your other posts could likely cause someone to brand you one.

I didn't see anything that qualified in that Stanley thread however. Maybe I missed it.

[Stunseed]

The amount and mis-usage of the n word you're so fond of throwing at people when you're throwing a hissy-fit is a pretty clear indication of it.

And something is very wrong with society. A kid like you deserved a boot in the ass years ago, I think.

[Bobmuhthol]

The people who have anything good to say about Hitler (ie. OMG HITLER SO SMART!!! - which I have seen over 20 times on this forum) are negligible, let's go after the guy who supported the actions of someone who tried to stop World War I.

The American Nazi Party is also founded on the belief of racism.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<The amount and mis-usage of the n word you're so fond of throwing at people when you're throwing a hissy-fit is a pretty clear indication of it.>>

Really? I could have sworn that was against ToS, and since I don't have any demerits for it, you're wrong.

[Warriorbird]

I think Stunseed explained it pretty succinctly.

Like they perfectly follow TOS...or were always doing it...

But if you decided to improve your image and or delete stuff, that's wonderful.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Bobmuhthol]

It's funny that you say that, because as much as you want to believe it, I can prove that it's bullshit.

[Warriorbird]

Read closely.

[Bobmuhthol]

Nope, every time I read it, it's always 4 posts in 2 threads. Used appropriately in every instance. Maybe you should think clearly and stop calling me a racist in threads that have nothing to do with racism.

Not even that; stop saying I use racial slurs when it's pretty obvious that I don't.

[Stunseed]

< Really? I could have sworn that was against ToS, and since I don't have any demerits for it, you're wrong. >

Demerits are removed on a per week basis, as well. However, you being associated with Racism deals with your actions on Psinet, too. Where because you're protected in some sort by the creator of the software, you should have been banned hundreds of times over. I find it a shame the word you sling means ignorance, where the only person I find ignorant in most of the situations you get into is you.

[Warriorbird]

I think Psinet quotes probably played into it too. And if you deleted or edited posts they wouldn't show up. I don't really care one way or another. It's nice if you want to be better. You're young still.

I didn't say you used racist slurs in that thread. It was actually TOJ.

Maybe folks associate it with homophobia as well.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I think Psinet quotes probably played into it too.>>

PsiNet is not the Players' Corner. Anything I say on PsiNet is irrelevant to begin with, but *especially* so when someone talks about all these racial slurs I'm supposedly throwing out ON THIS FORUM.

<<And if you deleted or edited posts they wouldn't show up.>>

I must be pretty f'ing quick at editing posts to pull it off within minutes as well as take screenshots and upload them. I appreciate the skepticism, but leave it for a justified cause.

<<I didn't say you used racist slurs in that thread. It was actually TOJ.>>

I'm aware. Most of the stuff I say is a collective 'you'.

[Warriorbird]

Unless of course they'd been already gone. But, as I said, it doesn't matter. If you're trying to do better, that's great.

And PSInet quotes would effect it if people posted them here, perhaps.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Chadj]

Bobmuhthol is a nazi.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Maybe folks associate it with homophobia as well.>>

If people think gays are a race, I might as well kill myself right now.

Don't insult anyone with brown hair or I'll be offended and call you a racist. <--- same mentality

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Unless of course they'd been already gone.>>

I don't understand why they would be. I'm supporting myself with proof that disproves the things being said about me. All that I've seen being provided is, "You do this," and "It could have been deleted." When someone can say I'm a racist because of something I posted they'll be right, but to say I'm a racist just because I am makes no sense and is simply unbelievable.

Call anyone but me a racist for no reason, and 100 people would be defending them. But with me, it's all a conspiracy to be racist without anyone finding out.

[Warriorbird]

So you're equating being gay with brown hair then?

Damn. That's an oddly eloquent defense of homosexuality.

I wouldn't worry on it too much. Change your attitudes and minds will likely change. Once again, the benefit of being young. I used to say some really horrible stuff about girls... really misogynistic crap. I got older.

Stuff like...

"I wish I wasn't banned during the first posting of this thread. Jesus Christ that was a good read. "

-Bobmuhthol

...doesn't help much.



[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<And PSInet quotes would effect it if people posted them here, perhaps.>>

Anything on PsiNet that's posted here is still subject to ToS. It would have been edited.

[Kainen]

This is a silly thread. I don't think of bob as being racist, a snot nosed teenaged brat, yes, but not racist. But then I tend to skip bob's posts when he's bitching at someone or starts using caps.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<So you're equating being gay with brown hair then?>>

They're both characteristics about a person. If you'd like, I can say people who eat pizza. It's their choice to be openly homosexual, it's my choice to eat pizza.

<<Damn. That's an oddly eloquent defense of homosexuality.>>

I don't even know what to say to this.

<<Change your attitudes and minds will likely change.>>

My attitudes shouldn't make people call me a racist without reason.

[Warriorbird]

See? Working already.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Stuff like...

"I wish I wasn't banned during the first posting of this thread. Jesus Christ that was a good read. "

-Bobmuhthol

...doesn't help much.>>

Racism at its finest.

I was referring to the Caiylania situation, btw. There were many, many things (aka the majority) in that thread that had nothing to do with racism.

[Tsa`ah]

For me it has nothing to do with the joke thread. Although some of the jokes told by a select group doesn’t surprise me in the least.

It has more to do with your posting habits that, out of necessity in the past, needed cleaned up.

Of course nothing shows up in a search ... it's been edited or deleted.

So to answer your question ... because you post like one?

[Bobmuhthol]

Again, I'd like some proof. I'm interested in how Stunseed would know what I post if it was deleted like you say. The last time I could have possibly had a post edited for racism was October 2004. And even then it didn't happen.

[Artha]

For what it's worth, I get the same results he did with a search.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You sound like Dave. "Why am I associated with racism?", PROVE IT BITCHES!

Don't ask if you don't like the answers.

PS - I don't think of you as racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Don't ask if you don't like the answers.>>

The answers are all bullshit. They have no merit, and I'm not going to let them be considered remotely truthful.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Bullshit to you, they probably have a different perception.

[Tsa`ah]

There is no merit to you because you're hiding behing the fact that said posts no longer exist for public or staff view beyond Kranar's position.

You know what you have posted, I know, almost every mod, present and past, that has had to deal with you knows, and every member who has ever read the posts before cleaning knows.

This is just you using a grade school argument in an attempt to "prove" or "disprove" something that is common knowledge.

"You can't prove I ate your candy bar, or prove that you even had a candy bar ::snickers:: because I ate it and it's my word against yours."

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tsa`ah]

[Brattt8525]

While I can agree that Bob can be <when he feels the need> a smart assed over zealous teen, he is not a racist. When he gets going, I equate what he says to my 3 year old who gets mad at me and says I don't like you and storms off.

Bob has made great leaps, there is no doubting that in my eyes. I have actually come to appreciate the guy, and understand he really is a good young man who is simply overtaken at times and releases it in a bad way sometimes. Racist though? hell no.

[Bobmuhthol]

Are you serious? Saying my posts contain racial slurs when they don't and calling me a racist without me actually posting anything racist at all is acceptable because it's their perception? This isn't an opinion. Either I post racist content or I don't. I've yet to see a single example where I have.

I'd be justified to start calling you a mass murderer and even a condoner of genocide because the way I perceive it, you kill grass when you walk on it.

[Tsa`ah]

You would be justified in calling me a mass murderer if you and others witnessed the act before clean up.

"I" don't have to prove anything Bob, I just have to point your last ban, the subsequent posts leading up to it, and the post that was the last straw.

[Snapp]

Do you come off as racist? I don't know. Close-minded to those different than you? Yes. That's probably where some of it stems from.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<There is no merit to you because you're hiding behing the fact that said posts no longer exist for public or staff view beyond Kranar's position.>>

You still can't cite an example where one of the posts was deleted. And since you claim to know my posts were deleted for racism, you must have been the one deleting them. As such, you should be able to remember one time.

<<You know what you have posted, I know, almost every mod, present and past, that has had to deal with you knows, and every member who has ever read the posts before cleaning knows.

This is just you using a grade school argument in an attempt to "prove" or "disprove" something that is common knowledge.>>

I do know what I've posted. It's not racist. I'm finding it hard to believe that everyone who has had to deal with me somehow knows that I'm a racist when the people who are saying I'm not outnumber you.

It's not common knowledge at all.

<<"You can't prove I ate your candy bar, or prove that you even had a candy bar ::snickers:: because I ate it and it's my word against yours.">>

If that's what you think it is, you shouldn't even be part of this.

[Warriorbird]

Defending Ben also likely contributes.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Do you come off as racist? I don't know. Close-minded to those different than you? Yes. That's probably where some of it stems from.>>

The post that specifically resulted in the creation of this thread was TOJ comparing what Ilvane said to my use of racial slurs. I don't know where he got that from.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Defending Ben also likely contributes.>>

That's still not racism, and certainly not usage of racial slurs.


Edit: In fact, that makes me MORE open-minded. I apologize for not believing in prejudice.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Bobmuhthol]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Bullshit to you, they probably have a different perception.

They must only 1x.

Bob 2x's every train.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Hulkein]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<"I" don't have to prove anything Bob, I just have to point your last ban, the subsequent posts leading up to it, and the post that was the last straw.>>

My last ban wasn't from racism. The posts leading up to it were in the thread that got you demoted. The post that you refer to as the last straw, even though it was merely an example, was not racist.

[Warriorbird]

Oh gosh, Bob.

"
You're just upset because there are more crackers than niggers. They don't stand a chance. Send a white guy into black gang territory (and don't you fucking dare call me a racist for saying that - fact is fact) and see who the oppressor is. More people, more power. For someone who claims to make things simple, you sure are retarded."

-Bobmuhthol

More where that came from. Again, if you want to do better, that's wonderful.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
:blah: :blah: :blah:

One of these days you'll stop running in circles due to dizziness or an aneurysm. Perhaps then you'll have an argument that holds water.

Sure, I could post ... from memory... the final post that earned you the second paid trip to banned camp, but frankly I'd rather let you repeat it and rack up some demerits.

[Warriorbird]

"I have no problem with racism. I have a problem with idiots that don't do it tactfully. "

-Bobmuhthol

[Bobmuhthol]

I know what the post was, Tsa`ah. I don't care if you post it or not. It doesn't make a difference. It was not racist at all.

Way to bust out the selectiveness, Warriorbird. Here's the other stuff I posted in the same thread:

<<So now what you hear is the law of the world, Farquar? Because when I hear nigger, it goes back 0 seconds to the exact moment when I heard it. And then I laugh.

When I hear cracker [cracka? wtf? Anyone who wants to complain about blacks being discriminated against isn't going to type in a stereotypical retarded black dialect], I think, "This guy is a fucking idiot."

Which one of us is right? (Hint: not you)>>

<<I saw a black cop with a gun. I don't fear for my life. A black sees a piece of rope and it turns into a lawsuit. Way to go.>>

Consider the context. It was a thread about racism. This is what I was responding to:

<<I just wanted to make it simple for you. Of course I'd expect that in billions of discrete events of racially motivated acts over the past 500 years, you'd manage to find...TWO events where the roles were reversed. Bravo.>>

<<
<<Of course the N word means nothing to you, you're not black dumbass.>>

Then I guess you *are* black, in which case the C word means nothing to you. You walked right into that one, DUMBASS.
>>



If picking out that one post makes me a racist, so be it.

[Tsa`ah]

We really need a monkey fucking a football smiley.

:jerkit:

[Bobmuhthol]

<<"I have no problem with racism. I have a problem with idiots that don't do it tactfully. "

-Bobmuhthol>>

Not making me a racist, or even support racism. This was also a thread about racism. It was also not to be taken seriously, but I can't really do anything about that.

[Bobmuhthol]

Also, in that thread where I used cracker and nigger, I'd like to make it clear that I was using those terms in response to them already being used. I can't imagine that I'm considered the only racist among everyone who said those things.

Edited for clarity.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Bobmuhthol]

[Warriorbird]

Gosh. The other stuff sure doesn't make you look better.

It was more to point out the selectiveness and sometimes the lack of skill of the moderation. I think Tsa'ah's polite restraint probably conceals a bit worse example.

But, if you're growing up, as I said several times, that's wonderful. Good luck.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Gosh. The other stuff sure doesn't make you look better.>>

If you read my posts for the point of them instead of what potentially racist words are in them, you'd see why they're far from racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<But, if you're growing up, as I said several times, that's wonderful. Good luck.>>

I like to think that I am, but that belief gets shattered when 13 months after these posts I'm being labelled as the guy who always posts racial slurs.

[Warriorbird]

Eh. You had someone come in and defend you. Give it time.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm genuinely curious as to what I've done wrong in this thread.

[Tsa`ah]

Here's a tip for you kiddo ... don't use those words and people will be less likely to think of you as a racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

I didn't even see this before.

<<Demerits are removed on a per week basis, as well.>>

Awesome, thanks. I still haven't gotten demerits for racism.

<<However, you being associated with Racism deals with your actions on Psinet, too.>>

That's impossible when this entire thing is about TOJ saying I post racial slurs out of nowhere.

<<Where because you're protected in some sort by the creator of the software,>>

The same creator that doesn't do a damn thing with the software? I'm sure he'd love to take the time to watch and ban me. Except not.

<<you should have been banned hundreds of times over.>>

Says you.

<<I find it a shame the word you sling means ignorance, where the only person I find ignorant in most of the situations you get into is you.>>

The word I sling has not been slung, first off. And your mom's ignorant.

[Warriorbird]

""I" don't have to prove anything Bob, I just have to point your last ban, the subsequent posts leading up to it, and the post that was the last straw. "

Tsa'ah

[Bobmuhthol]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
""I" don't have to prove anything Bob, I just have to point your last ban, the subsequent posts leading up to it, and the post that was the last straw. "

Tsa'ah

Yes, he said that. What's your point? I didn't get banned for racism.

[Warriorbird]

Yet I still found racist posts from you... and there's a shocking thing known as multiple violations.

Oh yeah.

To get back on topic.

"Why Am I Being Associated With Racism?"

-Bobmuhthol

I think there's enough shown. You even alluded to having "changed" yourself. But, if you want to know in this instance, I'd suggest U2Uing TOJ. He's usually fairly blunt. Heck, maybe even it was a mistake.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Yet I still found racist posts from you>>

Again, the post had the terms that people love to complain about but not the discrimination behind them.

<<and there's a shocking thing known as multiple violations.>>

Absolutely correct.

But it wasn't racism that got me banned as Tsa`ah will have you believe.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I think there's enough shown.>>

All it shows me is that people are overly sensitive.

[Warriorbird]

Hell. Given all the recent stupidity in the jokes thread, I'm sure some quality Bob deleted posts ought to be dredged up. Maybe it'll help him solve the question he brought up, if the undeleted stuff can't make it clear to him.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Here's a tip for you kiddo ... don't use those words and people will be less likely to think of you as a racist.

[Darnell]

I'm sure it wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with you labeling the sport of Basketball as quote "Black" either.....

D

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Given all the recent stupidity in the jokes thread>>

Which I was not part of.

<<Maybe it'll help him solve the question he brought up>>

Nobody is going to be solving the question at this point. It's not worth the effort caring anymore. Everyone can just continue to bring up how racist I am in a thread that has nothing to do with me or racism.

[Warriorbird]

I'm not really seeing much evidence in your defense here, other than you saying people are overly "sensitive" in finding you racist.

What people find racist or not isn't your call. You asked.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Tsa`ah]

I hate to say this but ...

Ben > Bob.

Why you ask?

Ben doesn't make excuses, silly arguments, or hide behind bullshit about his racist views.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I'm sure it wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with you labeling the sport of Basketball as quote "Black" either.....>>

God forbid I reference one of the most common stereotypes ever. Everyone else who says it isn't racist so it's okay.

[Warriorbird]

This is some funny stuff.

You being quick to defend that kind of speech, of course.

"But, but, I'm really not racist! I'm just saying racist things to be funny!" is the subtext here.

Yet you asked why people find you racist.

Hmm.

If you're trying to do better, stop rationalizing it. Work on changing your ideals.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Stunseed]

< That's impossible when this entire thing is about TOJ saying I post racial slurs out of nowhere. >

The topic of this thread is "Why am I being associated with Racism". You used words normally suited for racists. Hence, you are being associated with Racism.

< And your mom's ignorant. >

Good way to defend your point in proper fashion. I'm so glad you are fighting this so hard, it only makes yourself look even more foolish. It's even better because your real life brother posted here and has said you do shit online that you couldn't do IRL. In the same sense, maybe you are racist.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
All those brown people are taking my, the white man's, air. Racists.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol


That's impossible when this entire thing is about TOJ saying I post racial slurs out of nowhere.



out of nowhere?

keep reading this thread and you will understand

[longshot]

I think you people sometimes forget how old bob really is.

That's no excuse for his behavior, but realize that he might not have the same ability to put things in perspective like a more mature person would.

[Xcalibur]

Everyone is racist.

Everyone.

Everyone.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by longshot

That's no excuse for his behavior, but realize that he might not have the same ability to put things in perspective like a more mature person would.

Age has nothing to do with it, nor maturity. I didn't use the terms at his age and I'm sure many others did not either. Call it parenting, call it environment, call it whatever ... it boils down to racism.

Bob isn't alone in this, Bob is perhaps the only one who is given slack by others due to age.

If my children ever behave in a similar manner with their language ... soap will be the least of their problems.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Everyone is racist in my house.

Everyone.

Everyone.

Again ... fixed.

Don't project.

[Divinity]

I hate to say this to you, Bobmuthol, because I would have thought you would have learned this a loooong time ago.

Don't post here if you care what people think about you. Don't post here unless you're ready to be labeled with the opinions of others.

Simple as that.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Actually I think this is a good forum for opinion.

You reap what you sew... so in your case Kurapira, you are probably right, I wouldn't ask people what they though of me. Me personally, I don't have those reservations though.

[Divinity]

Nothing about reservations. I know what everyone thinks of me, it's not like it's a secret.

Thing is, why say a bunch of stuff and then start a thread wondering why people think of you that way?

Reap what you sow is right. I know all about it, and that's why my mind is boggled by the fact that someone as smart as Bobmuthol would be baffled by this.

[Sean]

I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that when you do spout racists terms, and I wont say that its often but it does happen, they are generally unnecessary to make your point. I believe the phrase that was the last straw when you got banned was, "yea, because all fags are niggers" or something to that effect. Theres really no substance in that post except to say your comparing 2 different things homosexuals and black people. Which like I just did could have been done without the slurs. If you can't make your point without being so over the top then people are probably going to start taking your posts at face value.

That compiled with saying things like "basketball=black" and then justifying it by saying it's okay because its a common stereotype just reinforces the idea that you think its okay to stereotype which probably doesn't help your situation.

Do I personally think your a racist? No, not really. But I can understand why other people might think that you are.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Don't post here if you care what people think about you. Don't post here unless you're ready to be labeled with the opinions of others.>>

If it bothered me that much, I wouldn't post.

<<Thing is, why say a bunch of stuff and then start a thread wondering why people think of you that way?>>

Because I said a bunch of stuff that wasn't racist and am being told that I said a bunch of stuff that was racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<out of nowhere?

keep reading this thread and you will understand>>

lmao, fuck off. If you think my posts are so racist, report them and shut the fuck up.

I've yet to have a post deleted over it so I guess you're still wrong.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Yet you asked why people find you racist.>>

Okay, I'll change the title if it means that much.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by longshot
I think you people sometimes forget how old bob really is.

That's no excuse for his behavior, but realize that he might not have the same ability to put things in perspective like a more mature person would.

Hold on there Sparky.. my son is 14 yrs old, and wouldn't dare talk like that. Yeah yeah, I hear "but they don't talk the same way at home as they do elsewhere" coming, but rest assured I know where my son goes and what he does. One thing he doesn't do is act like bob, if he did you could also rest assured that I would take care of it. So I don't want to hear "he might not be mature enough to have the same perspective". Bullshit. If my 14 yr old son knows it's wrong to talk like that.. then bob, who's older, should to. AND if you are going to post on a forum with adults, I think you should have enough maturity post in an according manner, or at least own up to your own bullshit. I am sick of seeing this "you know how old bob is?" crap. His age has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that he's always been mouthy and enough people have praised him and cheered him on to where he thinks he can get away with it.

[Bobmuhthol]

It's not wrong to say what I've said, because it wasn't racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It's the fact that he's always been mouthy and enough people have praised him and cheered him on to where he thinks he can get away with it.>>

That makes no sense. Nobody asked me to be racist and I wasn't. Just because it was valid that one time doesn't mean every post involving me can have "but people cheer him on!" in it. There's more than one factor to my life.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by BobmuhtholThat makes no sense. Nobody asked me to be racist and I wasn't. Just because it was valid that one time doesn't mean every post involving me can have "but people cheer him on!" in it. There's more than one factor to my life.

I was commenting on the way you post when you get pissy. not necessarily whether or not you are racist. Personally I think sometimes you say stuff just to say it, to get a reaction.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I was commenting on the way you post when you get pissy. not necessarily whether or not you are racist.>>

Take it somewhere else, then. There are more than enough threads with your psychoanalysis of me.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<I was commenting on the way you post when you get pissy. not necessarily whether or not you are racist.>>

Take it somewhere else, then. There are more than enough threads with your psychoanalysis of me.

I should have stated where what I said fits into this thread..

You say stuff to say it, and when you do it reflects back on you whether you mean it or not. I don't really see you as racist, more like someone who spouts off and doesn't always stop and think of how thats going to look. I have seen a few posts of yours where racial comments were made and at the time it didn't occur to me that you were racist.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
It's not wrong to say what I've said, because it wasn't racist.

Sure it's not. Wonderful display of logic.


Originally posted by BobmuhtholTake it somewhere else, then. There are more than enough threads with your psychoanalysis of me.

Three things:

1. It's not psychoanalysis.
2. You asked for it.
3. It belongs here.

To finish, I'll be completely redundant.


Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Here's a tip for you kiddo ... don't use those words and people will be less likely to think of you as a racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<2. You asked for it.>>

No I didn't.

<<3. It belongs here.>>

No it doesn't.

I didn't ask Kainen what she thinks about my posting. I asked why TOJ is saying I use racial slurs and get away with it.

[Warriorbird]

Pretty bloody obvious at this point.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
It's not wrong to say what I've said, because it wasn't racist.

did you even read Tijay's post?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<did you even read Tijay's post?>>

Yes, I did.

[HarmNone]

A question, Bob: Do you really care?

You have a long-standing habit of aggressive posting. I won't bother to speak to the issue of racism. Whether or not you're racist is not particularly important to me. I do wonder, however, why you would care how you are perceived, considering your often highly inflammatory posting style. I have always considered it to be an attention-getting mechanism, but that's just my feeling about it. I have no way of knowing what prompts you to post as you do. Only you know that. :shrug:

[Bobmuhthol]

<<A question, Bob: Do you really care?>>

About being called a racist? I can't think of anyone that wouldn't.

<<I do wonder, however, why you would care how you are perceived, considering your often highly inflammatory posting style.>>

That doesn't make me a racist. People can think what they want, but I refuse to keep my mouth shut about the multiple people who can't help but compare something to my racism.

<<I have always considered it to be an attention-getting mechanism, but that's just my feeling about it. I have no way of knowing what prompts you to post as you do. Only you know that.>>

That still doesn't make me a racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

Appendage: I don't see how my aggressive posting has any impact at all. I don't make shit up when I post. To say I discriminate, post racial slurs and somehow get away with it, etc. is simply false.

[HarmNone]

As I thought I made clear, I wasn't speaking to the issue of racism. I don't know whether you're racist, or not. Nor do I care. It doesn't affect me.

I do know, however, that people who speak aggressively and find some sort of satisfaction in getting a rise out of other people often find themselves accused of all sorts of things that they may, or may not, be/think/do. It's the way of things. If you put yourself out there, there's always going to be somebody who's going to make the effort to "pick you off", whether or not they are correct in their assessment; therefore, it always surprises me when an aggressive poster indicates displeasure at being targetted. An aggressive posting style usually targets others. Yours often does. Why, then, would it bother you to be targetted? It should be expected.

I guess I just don't understand why you profess to care so much about this particular issue.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah. You've been banned. Sure, it may've been for "other things" but then again Al Capone got arrested for tax evasion. I think your posts that are still there even illustrate TOJ's opinion, and he's far from the most "oversensitive liberal" guy around.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<As I thought I made clear, I wasn't speaking to the issue of racism.>>

Then it has nothing to do with the topic about racism.

<<I do know, however, that people who speak aggressively and find some sort of satisfaction in getting a rise out of other people often find themselves accused of all sorts of things that they may, or may not, be/think/do. It's the way of things.>>

And I'm not happy with the way of things.

<<An aggressive posting style usually targets others. Yours often does. Why, then, would it bother you to be targetted?>>

Because I don't say, "You get away with posting racial slurs" to people when it has nothing to do with anything and is false.

<<I guess I just don't understand why you profess to care so much about this particular issue.>>

I should stop caring about being falsely accused. Of course.

[Bobmuhthol]

<< I think your posts that are still there even illustrate TOJ's opinion, and he's far from the most "oversensitive liberal" guy around.>>

So report the posts. Until they get deleted, they're not violations.

[Back]

At one point I thought you were, Bob, because of something you posted in a back and forth posting with DeV. But when I went back and re-read I realized you were making another point, though in an obscure way.

So, no, I don’t consider Bob a racist. Facietious, obscure, sarcastic, blunt, trouble-making... sure, and who isn’t. But not racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<But when I went back and re-read I realized you were making another point, though in an obscure way.>>

Which is exactly what most of the other posts in question are. People don't see the point, though. They just see a word and automatically label it.

<<So, no, I don’t consider Bob a racist. Facietious, obscure, sarcastic, blunt, trouble-making... sure, and who isn’t. But not racist.>>

:heart:

[Warriorbird]

Nothing in those posts that's against TOS, other than the usage of certain phrases. If the mods aren't with it enough to pull them, isn't my fault. Considering that they're not pulling anything in the joke thread, not much point. If the PC banned people just for being racist, Ben would be long gone.

"Because I don't say,"You get away with posting racial slurs" to people when it has nothing to do with anything and is false. "

-Bobmuhthol

So nigger has ceased to be a racial slur?

[HarmNone]

For the record, I don't think Bob is actually racist, either. It wouldn't matter to me if he was. Different strokes for different folks. My only reason for posting was to point out how aggressive posting will result in aggressive counter-posting. One gets back pretty much what one gives.

Whether or not someone cares about the way of things, it remains the way of things; therefore, it's gonna happen.

[Jolena]

Heh. I certainly try to avoid reading things that Bob posts when he gets in his 'hissy' stages, so I'm not too sure what kinds of 'racist' comments he has or has not made. However, yes, I believe he's racist and that's mainly due to conversations I've participated in with him on PsiNet or conversations I've heard him participating in on PsiNet.

[Parkbandit]

I don't understand why people think you are a racist Bob. It's a fucking mystery for sure.

[CrystalTears]

Heh, PB, that was so wrong. Funny.. but wrong.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Heh, PB, that was so wrong. Funny.. but wrong.

I never claimed to be funny and right.

:)

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Nothing in those posts that's against TOS, other than the usage of certain phrases. If the mods aren't with it enough to pull them, isn't my fault. Considering that they're not pulling anything in the joke thread, not much point. If the PC banned people just for being racist, Ben would be long gone.

"Because I don't say,"You get away with posting racial slurs" to people when it has nothing to do with anything and is false. "

-Bobmuhthol

So nigger has ceased to be a racial slur?

So, by your logic, posting that word makes you a racist? Cause you did just post it and all...

I don't remember Bob ever using racial slurs to insult anyone. I may be wrong, though.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
I don't remember Bob ever using racial slurs to insult anyone. I may be wrong, though. The use of racial slurs are not an accurate indicator of a person being racist or not. Ben does just fine getting his point across without the use of the n-bomb.

I don't consider Bob a racist but I think the term bigot could certainly apply.

[Kuyuk]

Have you seen this person?

Don't fight it. Once you get branded a rascist, no matter how wrong or right, you're a rascist here.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

If you'd been reading, Mistomeer, he denied that he'd posted any racist slurs. Ever. That's what my post was challenging. I quoted examples elsewhere in the thread. So did he.

[Warriorbird]

Of course, Arkans. Rationalizing racism doesn't make anyone racist.

:rolls eyes:

Just because something is true and has race discussed in it does not make it rascist.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

And you continue.

Well, it is easier to just scream "RASCISM!" then admitting to be wrong in a debate that has to do with rascism. It's what I learned from these boards.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Or it could just be really easy to rationalize your racist attitudes with "Waah, my life is tough." emo conservatism.... and talk about how badly you're "discriminated against."

Please provide evidence of me rationalizing without my arguements having strong facts to back it up. Guess what? You can't. Go back to hiding your head in the sand.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

I think all races have certain predispositions due to culture, however with the state of society the way it is now, and all the mixed-culture upbringings, etc. it is very difficult to just 'classify' a problem as being due to certain races anymore. THAT is what bothers me the most I think. That and when someone honestly believes that certain races are in-human, as some people have posted on these forums before. To each their own though, I stopped trying to fight that notion a while back. I just raise my children the way I would wish them to treat others, as they will face racism in their lifetimes due to their mixed-heritage and I'd rather them be prepared for that and know how to conduct themselves appropriately rather then to not expect it and act out against it in a way that makes them seem as if the things being said are true.

That's how people should be treated, but unfortunately, there are certain issues that do exist and should be brought into light and not ignored.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

I agree that certain issues should be brought up, however in my opinion, I would rather deal with those issues on an individual basis then to place a blanket judgement or classification upon entire races due to the situations that have arisen from a certain amount of individuals. "Individuals" being the key word here, which unfortunately, I feel that most people have forgotten we are.

[Warriorbird]

You could start first at the joke thread. Are you sure you really want me to, Arkans? Called Bob's bluff.

You've got to be brain damaged if you think a *JOKE* thread has ANYTHING to do with someone's real opinions. Let me put that word out there again.. *J-O-K-E* Christ.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

I can see both sides of that one, though. Sometimes a joke can show a lot about a person since it shows what their sense of humor is like. If someone is telling a baby-raping joke, then yes, I start to think that perhaps that person is indeed sick. Same thing can indeed be said for racial jokes. However, I also see Arkans's side of it, which is that it is just a joke and not serious nor is it a representative of their true opinions on things.

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Raping dead baby jokes obviously make you want to rape dead babies. When people lose sight of humor, expecially in a thread dedicated to bad and tasteless jokes, and start calling people rascist, it really makes me think of what is going through THEIR heads.

- Arkans

[Jadewolff]

To chime in here...

I don't think Bob is racist. I'm also not going to tell him not to care that someone has labeled him so. He obviously recognizes that racism is wrong and does not want to be labeled in that way. Call him obnoxious and a jerk and he might laugh it off. But racism is so fundamentally wrong that no one likes to be considered a racist and slandered with that label on the boards they frequent. It's actually disappointing the number of intelligent adults here that feel the need to put him down when they are just as capable of coming to the conclusion that he's not at all racist.

http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2715


Pay EXTREMELY close attention to POINT #4

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Ironically, it's often the people rationalizing racism telling racist jokes.

Christ, I can't believe I'm reading this from you, Warriorbird. Okay, you believe what you want to believe, but too bad the "Dumbass of the Day" award was already given out, because honestly, if you can rationalize that rascist jokes make somebody a rascist (expecially when the thread was aimed for bad, short, and tasteless jokes) then there is really no hope for you. Believe what you want man, but pardon me and other people for never taking you seriously again.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Arkans
Yes, that makes perfect sense. Raping dead baby jokes obviously make you want to rape dead babies. When people lose sight of humor, expecially in a thread dedicated to bad and tasteless jokes, and start calling people rascist, it really makes me think of what is going through THEIR heads.

- Arkans

Never once did I say it makes someone WANT to do such things. I simply said that in my opinion, if someone finds humor in a joke of that nature, it makes me feel that perhaps they are a bit sick and twisted. I realize that not all of us have the same humor, and I'm trying to label anyone due to their taste in jokes. I'm just saying that I can see both sides, as I tend to form at least a small opinion about someone due to their particular taste in certain jokes.

So laughing at a cat getting clubbed by a mouse also makes you sick in some way becacuse you obviously laugh at violence and about animal cruelty.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Jadewolff
To chime in here...

I don't think Bob is racist. I'm also not going to tell him not to care that someone has labeled him so. He obviously recognizes that racism is wrong and does not want to be labeled in that way. Call him obnoxious and a jerk and he might laugh it off. But racism is so fundamentally wrong that no one likes to be considered a racist and slandered with that label on the boards they frequent. It's actually disappointing the number of intelligent adults here that feel the need to put him down when they are just as capable of coming to the conclusion that he's not at all racist.

I have specific reasons for feeling that Bob is indeed racist, among other things. They are not related to anything he posts on these boards and CERTAINLY not on any joke thread.

[Warriorbird]

Let's see.

"Fun Fact: Jews suffered under Hitler greatly, but in this day and age, practice similiar methods in their own country! "

"Anyway, I personally believe so, simply because the people of Europe and North America are so much more advanced than those in the Far East (excluding Japan, but they are Americanized) and those found in Africa. "

"The reason? Because I don't feel there should be an outcry for ripping into minorities, because it is A-OKAY to make fun of whites. When both become unacceptable, fine. Until then, it's open season!! "

"Since when are blacks oppressed or any minority group? "

"Who knows, maybe the black guy beat the shit out of one of the workers' daughters. "

"Tell that to the white guy trying to get a job in a predominatly black neighborhood. "

"Which is odd. Race should have absolutely 0 bearing on jobs. Unfortunately, most of these jobs are Asian/Arab owned. "

Fact founded Arkans quotes.

:rolls eyes:

[Jadewolff]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Ironically, it's often the people rationalizing racism telling racist jokes.

Just because you know the art of debate and can see different prespectives does not mean you think a certain way. It simply means you can make an informed decision about not thinking that way.

The best thing about stupid opinions is that they are just that.. Stupid opinions and have no actual fact to back them up.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Arkans
So laughing at a cat getting clubbed by a mouse also makes you sick in some way becacuse you obviously laugh at violence and about animal cruelty.

- Arkans

If you wanted to be extreme, I spose it very well could. See, this is the problem I have with debating with a certain few on these boards. You can't ever just take what someone thinks as their own opinion at face value. You must (and this is the collective you mind you) try to take it completely to the other end of the spectrum and start throwing out off the wall examples. Personally, I try to take each component that I form opinions on others over, on a case by case basis. Same thing would go with Jokes. :shrug: Call me crazy, it's just the way I live MY life. Not trying to force it on anyone else.

[Warriorbird]

Glad that you're moving forward with that. Strive to be more fact based, if that is your new goal.

I think judging someone's personality and beliefs on jokes is extreme though. These are JOKES. My logic is simply the same as yours. Also, Warriorbird all my statements do have facts based around them. I'm sorry if you're unable to see this.

- Arkans

[Jadewolff]

Originally posted by Jolena
I have specific reasons for feeling that Bob is indeed racist, among other things. They are not related to anything he posts on these boards and CERTAINLY not on any joke thread.

Fair enough. I do not know him at all outside of these boards and I don't get the racist impression at all. I was also under the impression these boards are what the subject matter is.

[Back]

Originally posted by Jolena

Originally posted by Arkans
So laughing at a cat getting clubbed by a mouse also makes you sick in some way becacuse you obviously laugh at violence and about animal cruelty.

- Arkans

If you wanted to be extreme, I spose it very well could. See, this is the problem I have with debating with a certain few on these boards. You can't ever just take what someone thinks as their own opinion at face value. You must (and this is the collective you mind you) try to take it completely to the other end of the spectrum and start throwing out off the wall examples. Personally, I try to take each component that I form opinions on others over, on a case by case basis. Same thing would go with Jokes. :shrug: Call me crazy, it's just the way I live MY life. Not trying to force it on anyone else.

Freud called.

He wants his penis... I mean! psychoanalysis back.

[Jolena]

Yes, it is in regards to posts he's made on these boards.

Arkans, I don't judge someone's beliefs based on their taste in jokes, but I hardly think you can argue with me that someone's sense of humor is part of their personality. So yes, I do form opinions of a person's personality based on the jokes they find funny.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Jolena]

OMFG BACKLASH OBVIOUSLY WANTS PENIS

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Shall we break it down? Show me some citations. Until then, I'm going to laugh at you. Maybe even then, considering what you like to cite as sources. Your bluff didn't really work.

[Warriorbird]

And as far as jokes go... I'm sure you could write some really credible racist literature from your catalogue of them, Arkans.

Humor is just that.. Humor. I'm sorry, just because I laugh at a rascist joke does not mean I am rascist. Perhaps it means I know where to draw the line between a joke and my personal beliefs and you are not able? Who knows.

Also, Warriorbird, you're the one that's accusing people (me) of being rascist. You show the proof. Other than that I'm going to assume your post translated into "Holy shit, I really don't know what I'm talking about so I'll just ask for citations!" Back up YOUR claim if you're going to make one.

- Arkans

[Jadewolff]

Originally posted by Jolena
Yes, it is in regards to posts he's made on these boards.

Arkans, I don't judge someone's beliefs based on their taste in jokes, but I hardly think you can argue with me that someone's sense of humor is part of their personality. So yes, I do form opinions of a person's personality based on the jokes they find funny.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Jolena]

If this was true in the way you seem to be implying, I'd be distressed at the number of "Your Momma" jokes that have been exchanged between my older brother and his best friends.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Arkans
I think judging someone's personality and beliefs on jokes is extreme though. These are JOKES.

If I'm being judged for the jokes I find funny, I'm so screwed. :D

I've had my issues with Bob. We don't see eye to eye, that's alright. Racist? No I don't see that. He says things for shock value. Personally I don't think he takes himself seriously with what he says sometimes, and neither do I. A pain in the ass, bit of a 'tude, a little annoying, sure. Racist? That's a bit harsh to say about Bob. I can see why he would be upset. Call me lots of things, but a racist would make me jump up and ask too.

Rascist literature that I have.. OMFG CITE CLAIMS TO BACK UP YOUR ACCUSATION!!11 Seriously man, I did have some bit or respect for your opinions, but now I'm starting to doubt them with all this talking out of your ass.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

I think for me, a lot of it has to do with the extent and content of said racial joke. I am hispanic and I've been known to call myself a beaner from time to time, or to joke with Drew (Tayre) about being one. I've made the jokes about how mexicans all have trucks that they drive to work with the radio blaring and 25 of them piled into the back with a water cooler. I've also made jokes about other races as well of that nature. I think it causes me to think differently of someone's personality when it is blatantly cruel and judgemental towards the 'character' of a person of a certain race. THAT is the difference for me.

[Warriorbird]

Already tossed some non "fact based" posts up to counter your earlier argument, Arkans.

And if you read my post with a little more comprehension, you'd have realized I said absolutely nothing about you posessing racist literature... just that your jokes would fit in perfectly.

Let's take it more personal.

My grandfather was pretty racist against Polish people in my opinion. He'd constantly tell jokes about them, mock their cavalry facing the Panzer charge, and make fun of Lech Walesa and the Pope. All it took was a little alcohol.

In your view, of course, he wasn't racist towards Polish people at all.

In your view, things like Japanese or American propaganda posters from WW2 wouldn't be racist.

It just sort've fails for me.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

Guess what, Warriorbird? I laugh at Polish jokes too. I also laugh at Nazi jokes and what they do.

Guess what else? Oh shit, my Grandfather was in a concetration camp and almost killed. Oh yeah, that reaaaaaally makes me rascist and a Nazi. Give me a fucking break.

Also, I can't judge the your father at all. I don't know him one bit. Who knows. Anyway, I'll go back to goose stepping and pissing over the graves of all the family I lost in WWII, okay?

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

I lost family in the camps too. I also lost family to Communism. Doesn't really make me find any of it funny.

I'm sorry about that, but you know, that's really up to the individual person. Saying it makes me a Nazi or whatever is really fucking stupid. Oh, right, yeah, I'm definately the guy that supports the people that almost killed my Great Uncle in Monte Cassino, or that shot at another Great Uncle who fought from Stalino in Russia all the way to Berlin. Also, I love the guys who kept my grandfather in a camp for years and were ready to execute him, but luckily the Russians liberated the camp. Give me a fucking break, Warriorbird.

Oh, the picture of Stalin I had as my avatar? I also support the Soviets who first drafted my father into their Army and then arrested him a good couple of times for participating in the Solidarity movement. So please, take your "Nazi" label or whatever the fuck you want to call me and shove it up your ass.

- Arkans

[Sean]

Originally posted by Jadewolff
Fair enough. I do not know him at all outside of these boards and I don't get the racist impression at all. I was also under the impression these boards are what the subject matter is.

The way he act and the things he posts can most certainly enhance an opinion that was forumlated away from these boards.

[Warriorbird]

Yet it's mysteriously funny to laugh at jokes about black people and Nazis and Poles in your eyes, Arkans.

I've done a fair amount of work in sales. I walked into a woman's home on a sales appointment a few months ago and the first thing she said to me was, "I'm glad you're not a nigger. I'm surrounded by them." Later on during the appointment she proceeded to tell some of the jokes you posted.

Our parents remember the civil rights movement, even if we don't. Many of our current politicians were against desegregation, on either side of the political spectrum. My grandmother told me all about "the little colored servants" that waited on her as a kid.

Yet, you act as thought racism doesn't exist these days. You do your best to blame black people for anything that happens negatively towards them. You rationalize that it's okay for other people to be racist towards black people, because "white people get discriminated against too!"

And it's ha ha hee hee funny to joke about "niggers."

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
I'm sorry about that, but you know, that's really up to the individual person.

- Arkans Exactly. Which is why I find it hard to believe people are attempting to define what's right and wrong in others personal opinions.

Some people think Bob's racist and some people don't. Do we all have the same interactions and experiences with each other on these boards and outside of them? I'd like to think they're different for the most part.

It really is up to the individual's perception.

I support rascism against blacks? Huh? Where? I could have sworn I just said that that white people get discriminated against too. If anything, I'm here advocating the removal of rasicm. Once again though, I know you can't actually show were I support rascism against blacks.

Then again, since since I said a black joke I obviously hate blacks. Huh.. Damn, so far you're making a bunch of bold claims with only some jokes to back you up. I'll give you some time to really point out where I said some negative things about blacks or advocated negative things against blacks. Until then, go ahead and spout shit. You seem to be a master of it. While you do that I'll go back to putting on my Wehrmacht helmet and marching through Europe, but until you actually show me how I am actually rascist asides from jokes, don't go around talking like you know me.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Already posted several examples.

Wrong, you've stated jokes. I'm looking for actual evidence. Let me spell it out, "Q-U-O-T-E-S" to back up your claim. You've failed in this. Until you can do this your claim doesn't even have legs to walk on.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

"Anyway, I personally believe so, simply because the people of Europe and North America are so much more advanced than those in the Far East (excluding Japan, but they are Americanized) and those found in Africa. "

(Obviously founded on your own careful internal judgement of "advancement")

"The reason? Because I don't feel there should be an outcry for ripping into minorities, because it is A-OKAY to make fun of whites. When both become unacceptable, fine. Until then, it's open season!! "

(Really solving the problem. Racist jokes! That's tearing down barriers.)

"Since when are blacks oppressed or any minority group? "

(Obviously never happened!)

"Who knows, maybe the black guy beat the shit out of one of the workers' daughters. "

(Obviously based on fact, when, y'know, it was the first day the fellow moved into the area and to a new job.)


"Tell that to the white guy trying to get a job in a predominatly black neighborhood. "

(Which I've done several times. Gotten jobs more easily in Durham than Chapel Hill. Durham is like, 85% black.)

"Which is odd. Race should have absolutely 0 bearing on jobs. Unfortunately, most of these jobs are Asian/Arab owned. "

(Those damn Arabs and Asians. Owning every job!)

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Warriorbird]

And no. I could put in some "quality humour" next. So far I haven't quoted anything you posted in the joke thread. It's been a lot of stuff rationalizing racism from other threads.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Sean]

The thing about jokes, whether or not you feel they are a credible source to develop an opinion on, is that they are seemingly a majority of the posts we have to go by here. We don't really know you the person. We only know your online persona. So whether it's jokes between you and darnell or methais or jokes you make in a joke thread or just the fact that a lot of your posts aren't meant to be taken seriously it's really all we have to go on inorder to establish our opinion of you here.

1. People compare the liviing conditions with the living conditions and Europe and America. Then try to tell me that African countries are as advanced.

2. What is wrong for making it unacceptable for both? Get rid of the double standard. Sorry if you choose to interpret posts in the most negative light.

3. Right now they are oppressed? Please make it relavent to the discussion. Blacks are no longer oppressed in America. Use your brain.

4. That topic was based completely on "What ifs", if a "What if" makes you a rascist then you're seriously mentally challenged. Do you know he didn't? Do we know he did? Nope, that's why the what if.

5. Wow, your own experience is definately the standard for all America. Considering we do not even know if you claim is true or not. Definatly makes me rascist there by claiming how it usually works.

6. Please post the quote in the context. You've failed this.


You've taken quotes and thrown some sort of sick extreme twist on them. You truly fail at this game. You miss the meaning of anything I say and have absolutely zero reading comprehension skills. Go back to judging people when you have no real arguement, because right now you're making yourself look dumber and dumber with each and every post.

- Arkans

You have a valid point about this, Tijay. Honestly though, how you can take it seriously when Darnell and I have known each other, get along extremely well, and then call me a rascist. He is a black man after all and by the judgement put on me, I should hate him.

- Arkans

[Sean]

Originally posted by Arkans
You have a valid point about this, Tijay. Honestly though, how you can take it seriously when Darnell and I have known each other, get along extremely well, and then call me a rascist. He is a black man after all and by the judgement put on me, I should hate him.

- Arkans

Just to be clear I never called you a racist. But not everyone knows your history with Darnell. To the casual reader/observer of the boards that may or not be clear.

[Warriorbird]

First it was "quotes". Now it's "quotes in context."

Of course, you don't include South America or Eastern Europe in your "cultural advancement" scale. It's curiously "Africa" focused. Except for "Americanized" Japan.

This is the first time you've ever stated it should be unacceptable for both. If the evidence were there.... instead, you've just told a lot of racist jokes.

I wouldn't say that right now they're oppressed. I'd say racism still definitely exists.

We actually know he didn't. You would if you'd read the article or articles related to what you were inferring from.

Gosh. Show me this vast discrimination against white folks getting jobs in black communities. Oh yeah. I bet you can't.

Should I contextualize all the posts where you seem to be claiming that racism doesn't exist except towards white people?

If you're such a promoter of diversity, why do you hit the "reverse racism" card so hard and so constantly?

If you're really some paragon of diversity, I apologize. You sure don't come across as one.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Wezas]

Originally posted by CrystalTearsHe says things for shock value. Personally I don't think he takes himself seriously with what he says sometimes, and neither do I. A pain in the ass, bit of a 'tude, a little annoying, sure. Racist? That's a bit harsh to say about Bob.

*ding* *ding* *ding*

We have a winner.

[Warriorbird]

Folks tend to grow up and realize that "shock value" doesn't really always justify saying certain things. Doesn't always happen.

Even in Eastern Europe people live a lot better than in Africa. Give me a fucking break, I was born in Eastern Europe so I'd think I know how people do live there. Poverty, sure, as bad as in Africa? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

So wait, I have to actually spell everything out for you are you assume the worst of people? Mommy didn't hug you enough as a kid or something?

Sure, there is rascism. Like I said. They are not oppressed right now.

I'm also sure everyone had every bit of information out at the time. New evidence always comes out.

Take a walk down Mattapan at night and see how well a white guy does out there. Heh.. Seriously man, what Utopia do you live in?

Also, if you cannot understand that you need to quote things in let me show you something.. As said by you..

"I wouldn't say...racism...exists"

You're smarter then this.. or at least I thought you were.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Eh. I think what I've seen of Romania was worse than what I saw of Egypt.

The fact that white folks don't "do well" certain places doesn't really have anything to do with whether they get jobs there. I've walked through some of the worst parts of South Side Chicago and New York. I've done sales calls in some of the worst parts of Memphis. I've sold all over North Carolina (not that anywhere down here is that bad, but I've sold in some VERY poor places). Ironically enough, my only mugging (more a sort of extended pickpocketing) was in Washington DC, right near the National Gallery of Art.

Things do need to be quoted in context at times, but I don't think it would've shifted the meaning of much of those.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Hulkein]

Jolena is racist.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Of course, you don't include South America or Eastern Europe in your "cultural advancement" scale. It's curiously "Africa" focused. Except for "Americanized" Japan.

To be fair to Arkans, if his post in that cultural thread was after mine, it was focused on Africa because of something I had read about some tribes there.

In that case he was just using the same example that was on the table.

Have to make a proper comparison. Egypt is a lot better off than most African nations. Now, compare Egypt to say Germany, France, or England and you have a very valid arguement.

Also, you keep posting your person experiences. This is fine, but saying that your one personal experience is the standard for everything in the country? C'mon now.

Lastly, I showed you just exactly how posting in context is completely needed, expecially in this case.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Here's your full post, Arkans

"Which is odd. Race should have absolutely 0 bearing on jobs. Unfortunately, most of these jobs are Asian/Arab owned.

- Arkans "

In context, it seems to be saying that indeed, racism shouldn't have any bearing on jobs. That seems to promote diversity, which is cool.

But then you follow it up by the out of the blue statement that either A. Pacific Union jobs or B. all jobs are Asian/Arab owned.... which either comes across as A. insane or B. racist... unless Peam can tell us about some strange trend of Asian or Arab railroad employees.

There.

You'd be correct if that was a post out of the blue. That post was a response to an ongoing thread.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Where it didn't really make sense either. Unless you know something I don't about Clear Channel/Hot 97 or the railroad.


[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Hulkein]

Again, personally, I don't find generalizations to be racist if they're used in a harmless sense.

When I hear someone say all cab drivers are from Pakistan or all 7-11 owners are Indian, I don't consider them racist right off the bat.

But I guess that falls into what Tijay and some others were saying, it can be a contributing part of how you view someone online.

[Edaarin]

I'm somewhat torn on the generalizations. When I hear someone make a comment like the cab driver example, my first impression would be that person is completely tactless and possibly a racist. When the comments move up a notch or two (i.e., asking a black guy if he has a cousin named Ray Ray), that's when it's borderline racist/retarded.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I don't understand why people think you are a racist Bob. It's a fucking mystery for sure.

:lol:

[Jolena]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Jolena is racist.

Not that it surprises me if you are just saying that to prove a point etc..but are you serious? If so, I'm curious as to what lead you to believe that. If you're not, then..eh, whatever.

[longshot]

Originally posted by Kainen

Originally posted by longshot
I think you people sometimes forget how old bob really is.

That's no excuse for his behavior, but realize that he might not have the same ability to put things in perspective like a more mature person would.

Hold on there Sparky.. my son is 14 yrs old, and wouldn't dare talk like that. Yeah yeah, I hear "but they don't talk the same way at home as they do elsewhere" coming, but rest assured I know where my son goes and what he does. One thing he doesn't do is act like bob, if he did you could also rest assured that I would take care of it. So I don't want to hear "he might not be mature enough to have the same perspective". Bullshit. If my 14 yr old son knows it's wrong to talk like that.. then bob, who's older, should to. AND if you are going to post on a forum with adults, I think you should have enough maturity post in an according manner, or at least own up to your own bullshit. I am sick of seeing this "you know how old bob is?" crap. His age has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that he's always been mouthy and enough people have praised him and cheered him on to where he thinks he can get away with it.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my orignal post.

My intentions in bringing up his age was not to excuse his behavior. It was to show that while most of us can see how some people would interpret Bob's post as being racist, Bob can't.

In this case, I think more maturity would grant him the necessary perspective to see how others interpret what he says.

I think his rapid-fire responses come from him being genuinely surprised that someone would think he's racist. Like Tijay mentioned, whether you are of the opinion that he's racist or not, it's not hard to see how someone could think that Bob is racist.

That's all I meant by it... not that he should get a free pass for what he does. It's just that the surprise element shows his inability to perceive how others feel and think about him.

[Hulkein]

I was just kidding Jolena.

[Keller]

Originally posted by longshot

Originally posted by Kainen

Originally posted by longshot
I think you people sometimes forget how old bob really is.

That's no excuse for his behavior, but realize that he might not have the same ability to put things in perspective like a more mature person would.

Hold on there Sparky.. my son is 14 yrs old, and wouldn't dare talk like that. Yeah yeah, I hear "but they don't talk the same way at home as they do elsewhere" coming, but rest assured I know where my son goes and what he does. One thing he doesn't do is act like bob, if he did you could also rest assured that I would take care of it. So I don't want to hear "he might not be mature enough to have the same perspective". Bullshit. If my 14 yr old son knows it's wrong to talk like that.. then bob, who's older, should to. AND if you are going to post on a forum with adults, I think you should have enough maturity post in an according manner, or at least own up to your own bullshit. I am sick of seeing this "you know how old bob is?" crap. His age has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that he's always been mouthy and enough people have praised him and cheered him on to where he thinks he can get away with it.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my orignal post.

My intentions in bringing up his age was not to excuse his behavior. It was to show that while most of us can see how some people would interpret Bob's post as being racist, Bob can't.

In this case, I think more maturity would grant him the necessary perspective to see how others interpret what he says.

I think his rapid-fire responses come from him being genuinely surprised that someone would think he's racist. Like Tijay mentioned, whether you are of the opinion that he's racist or not, it's not hard to see how someone could think that Bob is racist.

That's all I meant by it... not that he should get a free pass for what he does. It's just that the surprise element shows his inability to perceive how others feel and think about him.

He's also the most defensive kid I've known. He'll argue his perspective till he wins or you shut up -- at which point he declares that he won.

It's not all about his maturity.

[Kainen]

Sorry Longshot.. I misunderstood what you wrote.

[Kyra]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Gosh. Show me this vast discrimination against white folks getting jobs in black communities. Oh yeah. I bet you can't.

Should I contextualize all the posts where you seem to be claiming that racism doesn't exist except towards white people?

If you're such a promoter of diversity, why do you hit the "reverse racism" card so hard and so constantly?

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Warriorbird]

Racism is definitely alive, anyone paying attention in the right spot will see it, but if you've never been at the receiving end of reverse racism(repeatedly) then you are one lucky s.o.b. In my area it is a rampant thing & it will piss someone right off to hear "Oh such & such a race doesn't know what it's like to deal with racism." when you've been at the butt end of it over & over.

As for Bob being racist? I've been browsing thru back posts for a few months now & haven't ran across anything that blatantly screamed racist...some stuff that could be misconstrued if not read carefully though. <shrug>

K.

[Warriorbird]

Takes more than a couple months and he's had deleted and or edited posts... which, of course, backs my point that in enough time no one will notice or remember if he changes his ways... but, then again, bits of me think this thread was all to rationalize it. He's left it alone for now, at least.

[Edited on 3-10-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Nieninque]

You dont have to be a racist to behave in racist ways.
Most people are not racist, but have ingrained behaviours/ideals due to their socialisation.
Most people who find racist jokes funny, arent actually racists, moreso they are ignorant as to the impact of those jokes on themselves and others around then.
Most Police Officers arent racist, but the Police Force is/has been institutionally racist, therefore the actions of some of those Police Officers has had outcomes which can reasonably be regarded as racist.

Funniest part of this thread: "I know lots of [insert minority ethnic group here] people, therefore I cant be racist." :rolleyes:

[Shalla]

Anyways, I have a friend who was accused of being a racist once after saying that he doesn't find black women attractive.. by him saying that he didn't mean them to be hideous at all but they're not his preference. He was accused of being a racist, when in fact his bestfriend is also jamaican, who understood.

I've seen alex post in psinet saying that he wouldn't date black girls.. I certainly hope that wasn't the reason for him being accused a racist.. because that's just B.S.

[Edaarin]

I defy you to find a [heterosexual] guy that doesn't find Halle Berry attractive.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Edaarin
I defy you to find a [heterosexual] guy that doesn't find Halle Berry attractive.

Ben

oh wait, hetero?

[Back]

Originally posted by Edaarin
I defy you to find a [heterosexual] guy that doesn't find Halle Berry attractive.

I do not find Halle Berry attractive. Pretty, yeah. Nice bod, sure. But she doesn’t make me want to unwrap the slimjim.

I would like to add, however, that I think Naomi Campbell is a hot sex godess.

[Edited on 3-10-2005 by Backlash]

[Edaarin]

She's okay for a crackhead.

[Jolena]

Well I can't speak for anyone but myself, Shalla. But my opinion sure isn't based on a comment about how he wouldn't date a black girl.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Lady Shalla
Anyways, I have a friend who was accused of being a racist once after saying that he doesn't find black women attractive.. by him saying that he didn't mean them to be hideous at all but they're not his preference.
What the fuck. That is probably one of the single most idiotic reasons I've ever heard of for branding someone a racist.

[Warriorbird]

I really think that has pretty little to do with it, Shalla.

[Shalla]

In regards to my friend. Yes, he was accused and was humiliated in public for saying that black women was not his preference. He felt really bad too because he loved Malik as a brother, who is black.

If you're refering to bob warriorbird, I don't know how he can be racist.. I don't think he was racist towards anybody at all. I can understand he can be obnoxious, but he's obnoxious to everybody in general.. not towards a specific ethnic background.

This guy went out of his way to apologize to me with genuine intention for making me feel bad once.. and I'm asian.

[Shalla]

Originally posted by Edaarin
I defy you to find a [heterosexual] guy that doesn't find Halle Berry attractive.

Halle Berry is half caucasian. I find Angela Bassett more beautiful really.

Halle Berry is not hideous to look at, but she wouldn't even crack my top 20. Black women do not really do it for me either.

- Arkans

[Shalla]

Hahaha I just saw your new title Arkans.. Adding super to heterosexual is so beef wellington. :lol:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Lady Shalla

Originally posted by Edaarin
I defy you to find a [heterosexual] guy that doesn't find Halle Berry attractive.

Halle Berry is half caucasian. I find Angela Bassett more beautiful really. Ohhhh yes. Another good choice. :thumbsup:

:yes:

[Latrinsorm]

Halle Berry was much hotter when she had longer hair. The short do has never done it for me.

Even then, she's certainly no Tyra Banks.

edit:

[Edited on 3-10-2005 by Latrinsorm]

BETTER THAN YOUR CUSTOM TITLE!!111

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

"If you're refering to Bob Warriorbird, I don't know how he can be racist."

Pretty easily, apparently.

I thought Halle Berry apologizing for Catwoman at the Razzies was pretty awesome. That made her sexier.

Heh, I just don't see the point of defending yourself here if you are or not a rascist. If someone is, I'm sure they'll be out with it. If they arn't they'll most likely to say they arn't. Not like it will have any real social reprecussions here.

- Arkans

[Jolena]

Just as a side note..just because someone apologizes to an Asian and isn't apparently prejudice against them, doesn't mean they can't be prejudice against another race. :shrug:

I just love how other people brand others are rascist and some how think they know that person better than they do.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Of course. One of your best friends is also black.

I have no "best friends" that are black at all.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

I'd say, more on topic, some folks don't view the same actions and opinions as racist as other folks do. Matter of perception.

I think it's up to the individual person to determine if they are rascist or not, not another.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

I'm sure David Duke thinks he isn't racist. Most of the black folks in Louisiana probably disagree.

You'd have to ask him now, wouldn't you?

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Hmm. You can call him at (985) 626-7714. I emailed him. I'll see if I can get a response.

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Everyone is racist in my house.

Everyone.

Everyone.

Again ... fixed.

Don't project.

Everyone is racist, everyone.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Everyone is racist, everyone. Speak for yourself.

Prejudice, to an extent, I can agree with.

[Xcalibur]

Everyone does include me.:grr:

Even Jesus was racist.

Call it préjudice if you prefer, by the way.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Call it préjudice if you prefer, by the way. I'll do that.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Tijay
I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that when you do spout racists terms, and I wont say that its often but it does happen, they are generally unnecessary to make your point. I believe the phrase that was the last straw when you got banned was, "yea, because all fags are niggers" or something to that effect. Theres really no substance in that post except to say your comparing 2 different things homosexuals and black people. Which like I just did could have been done without the slurs. If you can't make your point without being so over the top then people are probably going to start taking your posts at face value.

That compiled with saying things like "basketball=black" and then justifying it by saying it's okay because its a common stereotype just reinforces the idea that you think its okay to stereotype which probably doesn't help your situation.

Do I personally think your a racist? No, not really. But I can understand why other people might think that you are.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

Mods, were you going to edit this or not?

Content is content is content.

Unless it's not in this case, which would dissapoint me. It wouldn't surprise me, it would only dissapoint me.

[Bobmuhthol]

He didn't even get the quote right.

[Back]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Halle Berry was much hotter when she had longer hair. The short do has never done it for me.

Even then, she's certainly no Tyra Banks.

Word.

http://www.gla.ac.uk/~cmc1z/fantasy_celts_b/fantasy_celts_18/tyra_banks_02.jpg

[Keller]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
He didn't even get the quote right.

Regardless, he reposted a quote that contained content that was offensive enough to ban you. That content has not changed, neither should their response to it.

[Warriorbird]

I think they've decided to quit going after those words.

[HarmNone]

Nope. The content hasn't changed, but the context has. That's why I haven't edited it.

There are a number of posts on these boards in which such words are used. Context determines whether or not they are editable, as far as I am concerned. Again, if you feel strongly about it, report the post to Kranar.

[Keller]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Nope. The content hasn't changed, but the context has. That's why I haven't edited it.

There are a number of posts on these boards in which such words are used. Context determines whether or not they are editable, as far as I am concerned. Again, if you feel strongly about it, report the post to Kranar.

Sorry, but I've had posts deleted in which I have quoted someone else's misuse of those terms and I've been told that the content and not the context determines the action taken.

This is just more bullshit. Do your fucking job.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Xcalibur
Even Jesus was racist.I'd love to hear the logic behind this.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Tijay
I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that when you do spout racists terms, and I wont say that its often but it does happen, they are generally unnecessary to make your point. I believe the phrase that was the last straw when you got banned was, "yea, because all fags are niggers" or something to that effect. Theres really no substance in that post except to say your comparing 2 different things homosexuals and black people. Which like I just did could have been done without the slurs. If you can't make your point without being so over the top then people are probably going to start taking your posts at face value.

That compiled with saying things like "basketball=black" and then justifying it by saying it's okay because its a common stereotype just reinforces the idea that you think its okay to stereotype which probably doesn't help your situation.

Do I personally think your a racist? No, not really. But I can understand why other people might think that you are.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

Why is it that I can go to work, come back, and you slackers have yet to edit one measly post?

Get back to work.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by Keller
Get back to work.

How are you going to say anything about the way they are doing "their job"? Last I heard there is ONE ultimate authority and it wasn't you. Again, if you don't like the way things are going.. get lost.

[Auriia]

Originally posted by Keller

Originally posted by Tijay
I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that when you do spout racists terms, and I wont say that its often but it does happen, they are generally unnecessary to make your point. I believe the phrase that was the last straw when you got banned was, "yea, because all fags are niggers" or something to that effect. Theres really no substance in that post except to say your comparing 2 different things homosexuals and black people. Which like I just did could have been done without the slurs. If you can't make your point without being so over the top then people are probably going to start taking your posts at face value.

That compiled with saying things like "basketball=black" and then justifying it by saying it's okay because its a common stereotype just reinforces the idea that you think its okay to stereotype which probably doesn't help your situation.

Do I personally think your a racist? No, not really. But I can understand why other people might think that you are.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

Why is it that I can go to work, come back, and you slackers have yet to edit one measly post?

Get back to work.

Hey Keller, I believe they are working. There is more to edit on this forum then this one thread.

Auriia~

[Keller]

Originally posted by Auriia

Originally posted by Keller

Originally posted by Tijay
I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that when you do spout racists terms, and I wont say that its often but it does happen, they are generally unnecessary to make your point. I believe the phrase that was the last straw when you got banned was, "yea, because all fags are niggers" or something to that effect. Theres really no substance in that post except to say your comparing 2 different things homosexuals and black people. Which like I just did could have been done without the slurs. If you can't make your point without being so over the top then people are probably going to start taking your posts at face value.

That compiled with saying things like "basketball=black" and then justifying it by saying it's okay because its a common stereotype just reinforces the idea that you think its okay to stereotype which probably doesn't help your situation.

Do I personally think your a racist? No, not really. But I can understand why other people might think that you are.

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

[Edited on 3-9-2005 by Tijay]

Why is it that I can go to work, come back, and you slackers have yet to edit one measly post?

Get back to work.

Hey Keller, I believe they are working. There is more to edit on this forum then this one thread.

Auriia~

Ah. Well then when they have time, I'd like to see the CONTENT of this post edited so that it does not violate the TOS.

But if you're busy now, I understand. When you have time.

[Edaarin]

If you fold a napkin in half fifty times, it would be as wide as the distance from the Earth to the Sun.

[Bobmuhthol]

It's impossible to fold a piece of paper in half more than 7 times.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Edaarin
If you fold a napkin in half fifty times, it would be as wide as the distance from the Earth to the Sun.

I guess that depends on the number of plys in the napkin.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Keller

Sorry, but I've had posts deleted in which I have quoted someone else's misuse of those terms and I've been told that the content and not the context determines the action taken.

No you were told that your post was deleted due to cleaning action. A post in reply to a deleted post will in turn be deleted. Never once have you recieved a notification from me stating content. Context has always been the rule.


This is just more bullshit. Do your fucking job.

I agree, this is just more bullshit because they are doing their job.

If you want it done differently, buy the boards from Kranar and start paying us, or do it yourself.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Keller

Sorry, but I've had posts deleted in which I have quoted someone else's misuse of those terms and I've been told that the content and not the context determines the action taken.

No you were told that your post was deleted due to cleaning action. A post in reply to a deleted post will in turn be deleted. Never once have you recieved a notification from me stating content. Context has always been the rule.


This is just more bullshit. Do your fucking job.

I agree, this is just more bullshit because they are doing their job.

If you want it done differently, buy the boards from Kranar and start paying us, or do it yourself.

"You agreed to the policy upon registration. The context in which the words were being used was not acceptable. You are responsible for the content you post. Even if it makes the person you are quoting look stupid, the usage is unacceptable.

Please refrain from such posting habits in the future."


We'll call it a wash. But I still think the post in question needs to be edited for both reasons.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Keller

We'll call it a wash. But I still think the post in question needs to be edited for both reasons.



Wash it with that napkin that is being folded fifty times.

Respectfully,

Finiswolf

[Miss X]

I think we have done this issue to death. We have made our decision, with the backing of Kranar. Case closed.

[Bobmuhthol]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Miss X
I think we have done this issue to death. We have made our decision, with the backing of Kranar. Case closed.

:?:

What decision? In all this mess I still don't see Bob's question answered. Not sure what Kranar has to do with it.

[Miss X]

I was talking about Keller and his obsession with getting a post edited.

[HarmNone]

The only one who can answer Bob's original question with any authority is TOJ. So far, TOJ has chosen not to do so directly. Ergo, the thread got hijacked. :D

[Warriorbird]

Bob's question has been answered over and over and over. The question here was Keller's.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Miss X
I was talking about Keller's question and his obsession with getting a violation of TOS edited.

In all honesty, my question has been answered with a resounding, "So what if our subjective rules are subjective as all hell -- KRANAR RULES!!!!"

Which is an asshole answer, but yes -- it is an answer.