Cat Killers!

[Alfster]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149659,00.html

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2005/03/05/afternoonedition/00lead.txt

I find this strangely funny, but disturbing as well. When I used to have cats, they'd get out all the time and as a little kid I'd have probably been traumatized had some hillbilly shot my cat. I can't believe that these people are serious about this.

[Arshwikk]

A domestic cat killing a wild bird, gee...

I guess I can shoot peoples cows now since they eat wild grass.

You wanna keep cats off your property, get a dog.

It's cool though that stray dogs can pack and maul children...lets not worry about passing laws to shoot stray dogs, because we have cats eating wild birds right now! Holy shit!

That retired guy needs to go back to work, he has way too much time on his hands.

[Bobmuhthol]

Or maybe you should stop complaining that a hunter wants to hunt. :!:

[Brattt8525]

I know that I get sick and tired of the cats around here getting into my trash cans, and carrying fleas into my yard. Oh that and them shitting in the damned kids sandbox FUCKERS.

If you own a cat, keep it indoors for its own safety, if it is loose and causing me grief I think it needs to be shot, and I love animals what I don't love is these feral cats and careless owners who don't take care of them.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
I know that I get sick and tired of the cats around here getting into my trash cans, and carrying fleas into my yard. Oh that and them shitting in the damned kids sandbox FUCKERS.

If you own a cat, keep it indoors for its own safety, if it is loose and causing me grief I think it needs to be shot, and I love animals what I don't love is these feral cats and careless owners who don't take care of them.

Spoken like a true Texan.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Alfster

Originally posted by Brattt8525
I know that I get sick and tired of the cats around here getting into my trash cans, and carrying fleas into my yard. Oh that and them shitting in the damned kids sandbox FUCKERS.

If you own a cat, keep it indoors for its own safety, if it is loose and causing me grief I think it needs to be shot, and I love animals what I don't love is these feral cats and careless owners who don't take care of them.

Spoken like a true Texan.

NO not true at all, though it made me giggle. I spoke as someone who takes care of my animals and see no reason why I or my dogs need to be exposed to feral/careless catowners who very may well carry rabies that may bite my dogs.

[Arshwikk]

I thought Texans were feral.

And an animal carrying fleas into a yard...isn't that ironic?

Stop hunters from wanting to hunt? Your right, fuck it, kill everything. We don't need any animals at all.

[Back]

Seems to be the solution of choice.

Calling a kennel is too much trouble.

[Arshwikk]

Yeah, I'm all for shooting wild dogs, myself...I just don't have any problems with cats personally. Never had one almost kill my son, nor have I ever seen them pack and get nasty...in fact, they tend to be territorial and fight other cats. I think it's pretty damn cool to see a cat take down a bird. They do shit in sandboxes...I don't care to have a sandbox though.

[Bobmuhthol]

Hunting isn't about revenge.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Hunting isn't about revenge.

No, it's not. Hunting is about food, and I don't think i could bring myself to eat a cat. I eat everythign that I've killed when hunting...and the thought of eating my neighbors cat is just too much

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Arshwikk
I thought Texans were feral.

And an animal carrying fleas into a yard...isn't that ironic?

Stop hunters from wanting to hunt? Your right, fuck it, kill everything. We don't need any animals at all.

I spend alot of money on my dogs to keep them on advantage flea control 12 months a year, along with heartguard, shots Iams dog food and the countless other things I pay for. Not to mention the fact that I love my animals, and I find it offensive that people who don't take care of their animals in turn can infect mine.

Oh and add on the fact that I have now had to have a pest control company come and spray my yard every other month at 90 bucks a shot because of these wonderful freaking feral/uncared for cats are dragging their stinky ass flea ridden bodies through my yard, and mind you I have a chain linked fenced fucking yard.

Let one rabid cat come in and bite my dog, who I paid 800 bucks for <chocolate lab by the top field trial dog in the country> or any of my 3 chocolate parti mini schnauzers of which I have 3K into just buying them. Say that cat bites my dog/s I am out my dog, and the money all in the name of save the fucking cat?

I take good care of my animals, I take care to keep them secure for their safety and the safety of my fellow neighbors trash cans etc, why should I give a rats ass about someone wanting to/me wanting to shoot these damned cats?

Oh and I have called animal control about the issues when it arises and guess what?????? they don't do anything.

[Edited on 3-8-2005 by Brattt8525]

[Arshwikk]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Hunting isn't about revenge.

Who said anything about hunting? You. I'm just talking about practicality. Hunting isn't always practical either.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Hunting is about food>>

No, it's about power and dominance.

The food is just a bonus, assuming the hunter has Expert skinning and cooking skill.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Who said anything about hunting? You.>>

Uh......

The guy wants people with a hunter's license to be able to shoot cats....

THAT'S HUNTING.

[Back]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Hunting is about food>>

No, it's about power and dominance.

The food is just a bonus, assuming the hunter has Expert skinning and cooking skill.

Huh, amd here I thought it was originally about what you ate for dinner.

[Back]

Just re-read what you posted. Heh. You play way too much GS, Bob.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Huh, amd here I thought it was originally about what you ate for dinner.>>

And they fought with yo-yo's.

Until I see that happen, that's completely irrelevant.

[Bobmuhthol]

It was actually a WoW reference :)

[Bobmuhthol]

p.s. did you forget about the Indians, who only killed what they were going to use? That supports your argument and all, but..

The Americans came, killed the Indians, and slaughtered the buffalo, wasting more than enough to feed communist China.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Backlash
Just re-read what you posted. Heh. You play way too much GS, Bob.

Heh, or WOW

The Indians had this thing of chasing buffalos off cliffs. They would kill HUNDREDS of buffalos that way. Far more than they could use. They grabbed what they wanted and said, "Fuck it, let's eat this, let the rest rot, and whine about the white man that is pushing us forward in civilization"

- Arkans

[Arshwikk]

Originally posted by Brattt8525

Originally posted by Arshwikk
I thought Texans were feral.

And an animal carrying fleas into a yard...isn't that ironic?

Stop hunters from wanting to hunt? Your right, fuck it, kill everything. We don't need any animals at all.

I spend alot of money on my dogs to keep them on advantage flea control 12 months a year, along with heartguard, shots Iams dog food and the countless other things I pay for. Not to mention the fact that I love my animals, and I find it offensive that people who don't take care of their animals in turn can infect mine.

Oh and add on the fact that I have now had to have a pest control company come and spray my yard every other month at 90 bucks a shot because of these wonderful freaking feral/uncared for cats are dragging their stinky ass flea ridden bodies through my yard, and mind you I have a chain linked fenced fucking yard.

Let one rabid cat come in and bite my dog, who I paid 800 bucks for <chocolate lab by the top field trial dog in the country> or any of my 3 chocolate parti mini schnauzers of which I have 3K into just buying them. Say that cat bites my dog/s I am out my dog, and the money all in the name of save the fucking cat?

I take good care of my animals, I take care to keep them secure for their safety and the safety of my fellow neighbors trash cans etc, why should I give a rats ass about someone wanting to/me wanting to shoot these damned cats?

Oh and I have called animal control about the issues when it arises and guess what?????? they don't do anything.

[Edited on 3-8-2005 by Brattt8525]

Ya know, some people would say your a jackass for enslaving your animals. Ya know, like animals are meant to be wild, not inbred into these freakish looking offspring breeds of their former glorious selves. Fortunately for you, I am not one of those people. I'm glad you take good care of your animals, but so do I, and shit still happens.

For example, the little punk neighbor kid let my golden retriever out when I was at work, and I didn't find em until a month later on some farm. I took damn good care of her too, fed her billjac, kept her deflead and all her shots were always up to date. I did the same for my cat, cept he ate Iams (there is no billjac catfood)...Obviously, if my cat got out because I let it out, or it just snuck out, you are not going to check it for fleas, see if it shit in your sandbox, or wait until it kills your wild birds to shoot it. So yeah, I have an issue with indescriminately shooting animals that wander into your yard. Thus my sarcastic posts about shooting dogs, etc. You would totally feel the same way if one of your prized dogs EVER got out, stepped a paw in my yard, and I shot it.

[Arshwikk]

Originally posted by Arkans
The Indians had this thing of chasing buffalos off cliffs. They would kill HUNDREDS of buffalos that way. Far more than they could use. They grabbed what they wanted and said, "Fuck it, let's eat this, let the rest rot, and whine about the white man that is pushing us forward in civilization"

- Arkans

Your thinking of cavemen cornering a mammoth.

Even if some were ran off cliffs they were not run off in the hundreds all at once and wasted. Native Americans (Not being from India) are renowned for not being wasteful...on the other hand, many pioneers slew thousands of buffalo, nearly extincting them, for fur, leaving their rotting flesh to lay where they fell. Get your facts straight.

[Artha]

Even if some were ran off cliffs they were not run off in the hundreds all at once and wasted.
Depends on who you talk to. There's a theory that mammoths are extinct because they were overhunted. By people. Who probably wasted them.

[Arshwikk]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Hunting is about food>>

No, it's about power and dominance.

The food is just a bonus, assuming the hunter has Expert skinning and cooking skill.

Heh.

I can skin and cook.

And I can tell you, there's nothing dominating about killing an animal with a gun. A bow is a little more glorious, but even then to say it makes you dominating is kinda funny.

I think it can certainly be a measure of skill, and quite a usefill skill to posess.

Power and dominance...heh...go fight a grizzly with a buck knife and get back to me on that one.

[Arshwikk]

Originally posted by Artha

Even if some were ran off cliffs they were not run off in the hundreds all at once and wasted.
Depends on who you talk to. There's a theory that mammoths are extinct because they were overhunted. By people. Who probably wasted them.

I think the whole ice age thing made it hard on everyone. I doubt anyone was purposefully wasting a mammoth. Besides, who said mammoth are extinct? They have hairless ones running all over Africa.

[Artha]

Dinosaurs are related to birds, but they're extinct.

[Tsa`ah]

Boy did this thread go from 0 - moron in record speed.

Shooting a cat isn't hunting. The old man in question shouldn't be shooting off a gun in a residential area to begin with, nor should he be shooting at cats. Call animal control, get a dog, get a fence, get a hobby.

[DeV]

Seriously, what the hell. A license to shoot free roaming cats. This man needs to quit being retarded.

[Arshwikk]

What's wrong with the direction this threads taking?

Geez.

Where were we...oh yeah, hunting licenses for mammoths. Yeah, they shit in my sandbox leaving an african termite mound-sized pile. They trample my...trees...I say we pass a law letting us hunt them with our rocket launchers.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Boy did this thread go from 0 - moron in record speed.

Shooting a cat isn't hunting. The old man in question shouldn't be shooting off a gun in a residential area to begin with, nor should he be shooting at cats. Call animal control, get a dog, get a fence, get a hobby.

While the intial point of this thread was a bit off and it scares me to think of this old man off'ing the local grannies kitty cat. I have valid points I made whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

I don't think in the grand spectrum of things I could actually shoot a cat, the thought that these <most> of the time are ridden with fleas, diease and generally are a malice. If you choose to make light of my concern for my animals that is your right to do so, as is my right to want to agree that it isn't such a far fetched concern about getting rid of the problem.

As far as your suggestions Tsa, they are valid except I have done all of them and I still have to worry that some cat is going to bring rabies into my yard, and hey my kids play in my FENCED in yard as well, more of a concern.

[Alfster]

If you're worried about rabies then you better shoot all the bats flying around, squirrels, mice.

Hell, shoot any animal on your property that's not your dogs, right? This way you're kids will be safe

[Arshwikk]

Originally posted by Alfster
If you're worried about rabies then you better shoot all the bats flying around, squirrels, mice.

Hell, shoot any animal on your property that's not your dogs, right? This way you're kids will be safe

Squirrels carry the plaque man...yes, even today.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Arshwikk

Originally posted by Alfster
If you're worried about rabies then you better shoot all the bats flying around, squirrels, mice.

Hell, shoot any animal on your property that's not your dogs, right? This way you're kids will be safe

Squirrels carry the plaque man...yes, even today.

Heh, I realize they carry disease and such. My point to her was that, why is she so worried about these cats when the rodents around her place have a much higher chance of carrying disease...being more of a threat against her dogs and children.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Brattt8525

While the intial point of this thread was a bit off and it scares me to think of this old man off'ing the local grannies kitty cat. I have valid points I made whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.


I'm curious how you answer the question posed towards you ... do you think you'd feel the same way if one of your prized dogs got out and your neighbor shot it?

[Arshwikk]

Oh, I know Alfster, I just mentioned it cause it's funny shit...First time I knew about it I was reading a "don't feed the squirrels" sign in the Grand Canyon...If you can imagine a bunch of drunks debating the deadly threat posed by plaque ridden squirrels to hikers...

plague...wtf is wrong with me...squirrels with plaques would be wierd.

[Edited on 3-8-2005 by Arshwikk]

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Tijay

Originally posted by Brattt8525

While the intial point of this thread was a bit off and it scares me to think of this old man off'ing the local grannies kitty cat. I have valid points I made whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.


I'm curious how you answer the question posed towards you ... do you think you'd feel the same way if one of your prized dogs got out and your neighbor shot it?

Your point is valid, though there is a large difference between my fat happy shiney coated dogs who wear dog tages and a feral cat. Add in the fact that my dogs are NEVER left unattended in my yard. Also I have chain link fence all around my 3 acres of land. Mini's aren't jumping out and my old lab can't jump and my chocolate female couldn't jump out either.

[Arshwikk]

AHA! So! You clearly admit to making your dogs obese...that is just a sick, demented, and irresposible of pet owner.

:::sigh:::

Okay, I'm kidding, but I basicly made the exact same point posts ago and got no response. Besides, YOU never know when your little evil bastard neighbor kid is gonna let your dog out while your at work!

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Arshwikk
AHA! So! You clearly admit to making your dogs obese...that is just a sick, demented, and irresposible of pet owner.

:::sigh:::

Okay, I'm kidding, but I basicly made the exact same point posts ago and got no response. Besides, YOU never know when your little evil bastard neighbor kid is gonna let your dog out while your at work!

LOL nah they aren't that fat! There is a neighbor child a few houses down that even scares me.

[Killer Kitten]

:::steps up onto her soapbox:::

The problem with feral cats can be traced back to one source: people.

People who:
'let her have one litter so she'll be a better pet'

'want their children to witness the miracle of birth'

'adopt or buy a pet then plead financial issues when it comes to spay/neuter'

'confuse their testicles with their pets, and won't neuter him'

'basically refuse to acknowledge that their pets reproductive system is also their responsibility'

Having recently moved to a rural section of Ohio, I am for the first time working in an animal shelter that is NOT a no-kill shelter. This shelter does adoptions, but they also function as the county pound, so people bring their unwanted pets here.

Guess who gets to help kill them? This is heartbreaking, as I love animals, especially cats. What the fuck are we supposed to do, though? During kitten season, we'll have 500 animals a week dumped at our shelter, most of them litters of kittens. These irresponsible owners bring their kittens every year, ignoring the discount spay certificates we give them for their mother cat, also ignoring the fact that the cute litter of kittens they just dropped off will probably be dead before their car clears the parking lot.

You can't imagine how much it sucks, and how fricking painful it is for the staff. The problem is people, refusing to take responsibility for their pets and fobbing off that responsibility with lame-assed excuses like the above.

Spay or neuter your pet. Rant over.

:::climbs off the soapbox:::

[Brattt8525]

Sorry you have to work where it is a get adopted or killed shelter Kimm. I do blame other people for these cats, but what is the solution really? As much as these are gods creatures etc, they are also a problem in more ways then just getting into the trash etc. While the intial reason for this thread making it legal to shoot them is scary so is the potential for diease, fleas, etc.

You could always adopt all those kitties Kimm, we all know you are the kitty Queen!

[Jazuela]

I used to volunteer for an organization that captured ferals, got them to a vet, got their shots, got spayed/neutered, and then brought back and released where they were captured.

Some of them were "adoptable" - meaning, they didn't attempt to bite anyone, they weren't infested with fleas, they were healthy, and they had been "semi-domesticated" by neighbors feeding and socializing with them.

So we adopted maybe 20% of them out, but ONLY after they'd been spayed/neutered.

I think a HUGE part of the solution is prevention. That takes a lot of community organization, and a group agreement to BE responsible even if "they're not my cats, not my problem."

I'd like to see laws changed so that you can't buy/adopt a cat until its already been spayed/neutered. That means no cute little fluffy adorable 8-week-old kittens for Junior.

The only people who would be allowed to have kittens are certified breeders, who have proven their ability to breed cats responsibly and humane-ly.

Obviously humanity can't be trusted to take care of cats. So let it fall on the shoulders of the people giving the cats away, with stiff fines if they neglect their responsibilities.

[Jadewolff]

I adopted my cats from a foster home type organization where they take in cats, socialize them, and then give them up for adoption (They went through Petsmart). Most of them are adopted after being fixed. If you adopted one before it was old enough to be fixed, you had to mail in proof of it being fixed later. If you didn't, they actually called you. They even had a clause in the contract that said they had the right to take the cat away from you if they deemed you irresponsbile.

Alot of people considered what I had to pay the organization outrageous considering they weren't bred cats ($100 each) but I considered it a wonderful cause.

I think most people are starting to understand better so hopefully we're moving in the right direction.

[Kyra]

I bought 5 live traps & took care of our neighborhood "loose"/feral cat problem fast. As I caught each one I went door to door asking if it was anyone's cat before I took it to the pound.

Within 2 weeks I no longer saw ANY loose housecats in the area & the wild/feral ones I dropped at the shelter. Word got out quickly that I was some kind of cat hater. :P
(not true btw).

As a wildlife rehabber who takes care of birds & other small animals mauled by cats I have to clean up the mess left by these "harmless" loose cats & no, it's not pretty to see the damage done either.

I had to laugh at the article though, it's Wisconsin so it will probably get put thru..what can you expect from a state that allows half the crap they do?

How hard would it be to keep a collar on your cat or keep the damn thing in? People expect the same for other pets. <shrug>

K.

[Killer Kitten]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
Sorry you have to work where it is a get adopted or killed shelter Kimm. I do blame other people for these cats, but what is the solution really? As much as these are gods creatures etc, they are also a problem in more ways then just getting into the trash etc. While the intial reason for this thread making it legal to shoot them is scary so is the potential for diease, fleas, etc.

You could always adopt all those kitties Kimm, we all know you are the kitty Queen!

Heh. Been there, done that, got the t shirt, etc. I remember once having 65 cats in the house, 32 of which were mine and the other 33 were fosters from North Shore Animal League.

I'm way too old and lame to do it again. I've got 12, that's about all I can handle.

I wish I had answers, but I don't. I have my little Spay/Neuter rant which I can't even get my nephew to listen to ('My dog is a purebreed, I aint spadeing her!'). So I work at the shelter, try to save as many as we can and come home weepy over the ones we can't.

Considering there are people in this world that throw their children out with the trash, I'm guessing it'll be a long time before they learn to respect the rest of Gods creatures.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
While the intial point of this thread was a bit off and it scares me to think of this old man off'ing the local grannies kitty cat. I have valid points I made whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

And I was in no way referring to your valid points.

Arshwikk, you are completely wrong or my professor that taught archaeology was wrong (who just happens to be an archaeologist), I'll take my chances and say you are wrong about the Native Americans.

- Arkans

[Kyra]

Heh, I realize they carry disease and such. My point to her was that, why is she so worried about these cats when the rodents around her place have a much higher chance of carrying disease...being more of a threat against her dogs and children.


Personally I'm more scared of the neighbors & their fricking brat kids than I am of the "rodents"(which squirrels are not btw)

People in general are a scary scene...I'd be okay with a law where I could shoot some SOB as they leave after bringing in a neglected/abused animal because they are "done" with them now. :D

K. & flock/thundering herd.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Kyra


Heh, I realize they carry disease and such. My point to her was that, why is she so worried about these cats when the rodents around her place have a much higher chance of carrying disease...being more of a threat against her dogs and children.


Personally I'm more scared of the neighbors & their fricking brat kids than I am of the "rodents"(which squirrels are not btw)

People in general are a scary scene...I'd be okay with a law where I could shoot some SOB as they leave after bringing in a neglected/abused animal because they are "done" with them now. :D

K. & flock/thundering herd.

Squirrels do, in fact, belong to the order Rodentia (rodents).

[Warriorbird]

Wasn't a usual Plains Indian tactic. Was practiced some further towards the Southwest. You're both right to a certain degree, Arkans.