Careful with those urchin runner contracts, huge bug

[Rjex]

You remove an urchin guide contract from in your bear hide backpack.
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As you move to indicate your acceptance on the contract, you stop for a few seconds to ponder the consequences of doing so.

[Writing your acceptance will extend your current access to the urchin guides of the Elanthian Merchants Guild until 1/4/2038. If this is acceptable to you, WRITE your acceptance on the contract again within the next 30 seconds.]

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You absorb 96 experience points.
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You mark your acceptance on the contract. As you do, it glows brightly for a moment before it whisks itself out of your hands and vanishes!
[Your access to the urchin guides will expire on 1/4/2038 13:10:26 CST. You may access the guides while in-town via the URCHIN command.]

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You remove an urchin guide contract from in your bear hide backpack.
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As you move to indicate your acceptance on the contract, you stop for a few seconds to ponder the consequences of doing so.

[Writing your acceptance will extend your current access to the urchin guides of the Elanthian Merchants Guild until 1/14/2038. If this is acceptable to you, WRITE your acceptance on the contract again within the next 30 seconds.]

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[LNet]-GSIV:Alatarion: "deck*"
...wait 1 seconds.
R>
You remove an urchin guide contract from in your bear hide backpack.
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You mark your acceptance on the contract. As you do, it glows brightly for a moment before it whisks itself out of your hands and vanishes!
[Your access to the urchin guides will expire on 1/14/2038 13:10:26 CST. You may access the guides while in-town via the URCHIN command.]

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Commander Roblar just arrived.
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Commander Roblar just went south.
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As you move to indicate your acceptance on the contract, you stop for a few seconds to ponder the consequences of doing so.

[Writing your acceptance will extend your current access to the urchin guides of the Elanthian Merchants Guild until 52/52/1967. If this is acceptable to you, WRITE your acceptance on the contract again within the next 30 seconds.]

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...wait 1 seconds.
R>
You mark your acceptance on the contract. As you do, it glows brightly for a moment before it whisks itself out of your hands and vanishes!
[Your access to the urchin guides will expire on 52/52/1967 0-17:0-17:0-50 CST. You may access the guides while in-town via the URCHIN command.]

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...wait 1 seconds.
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But you are not holding that.
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You remove an urchin guide contract from in your bear hide backpack.
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As you move to indicate your acceptance on the contract, you stop for a few seconds to ponder the consequences of doing so.

[Writing your acceptance will grant you an access to the urchin guides of the Elanthian Merchants Guild until 6/26/2019. If this is acceptable to you, WRITE your acceptance on the contract again within the next 30 seconds.]

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[Ososis]

Yeah, roblar hit that too. Apparently its the next (and for some reason MORE problematic) Y2K style bug. Roblar brought it up and I thought they fixed it by putting a cap on it somewhere?

[Rjex]

Well, they certainly didn't fix it, I lost a lot of contracts cause I didn't notice the date change.

[Fortybox]

Time ends on January 19, 2038 03:14:08 GMT

[Rjex]

At least now we know the latest date GS will stop working.

[Roblar]

Yep, there will be a cap put in to prevent going past the date.

They'll restore your urchin status to whichever safe date before it rolls over.

See you in 2038! (hopefully)

[Donquix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

[Methais]

Time ends on January 19, 2038 03:14:08 GMT

And Disarm will still exist in its current form.

[Donquix]

And Disarm will still exist in its current form.

I love how "and disarm still won't be fixed" is like the Gemstone equivalent of "still a better love story than Twilight"

also: GM's and not just fixing the worst fucking things in the game is in fact still a better love story than Twilight

[audioserf]

It rules that Disarm itself is literally going to remain exactly as it is even with the 'disarm updates'. They're just going to implement some complicated timesink clusterfuck item recovery. Disarm is going to remain disarm. And that, friends, is a hearty lmao

[Ososis]

I realize I am the minority on this one, but I'm all for disarm not being fun, which could be through a timesink clusteruck. Item loss is ballsack and should never happen at this point in the game, but does it have to be nerfed into oblivion? Death has been made trivial and I think that sucks. Disarm could be cool, and it SHOULD remain troubling enough to be a pro/con choice of hunting grounds. I've seen a lot of folks complain about "never using their choice weapon" for fear of disarm, then also getting all up in arms at the idea they might lose their item for 24 hours. Thats still a HUGE improvement on where they are at isn't it? Really the big change should be in how the lost item is handle in the hunting ground. I saw a de-legged skeleton giant lying in a room once and I left him. He stayed for HOURS. I named him something stupid and he was my homie for a while, but I digress. If the lost item kept the critter from despawning (as apparently some things can do) most folks would be able to reacquire their items. There is still player theft which would require a bit more fine tuned approach, but just keeping the creature/item from despawning would take care of MOST problems requiring an assist.

Graverobbing is super fucked though.

[Rjex]

As far as I understand the recovery system being worked on simply replaces having GMs pull them manually from janitor repository, you pay some silvers and bounty points and voila, you have it back. But if another player picks it up while it was on the ground, you're still shit out of luck.


Disarm could be cool

Ask Zoleta how she's enjoying the disarm experience.

[audioserf]

I just don't think there's any justification for your item leaving your possession involuntarily when Simu themselves have created a system/events (DR, etc) where you can pump hundreds/thousands into your item if you so choose. They can't have it both ways. P2W uber items, OR forcing items from your hands - not both.

For the millionth time, they should have just turned it into Sunder Weapon and been done with this absolutely ages ago. Incur RT, remove parry defense from the weapon, weapon unusable for X amount of time.

[Methais]

I realize I am the minority on this one, but I'm all for disarm not being fun, which could be through a timesink clusteruck. Item loss is ballsack and should never happen at this point in the game, but does it have to be nerfed into oblivion? Death has been made trivial and I think that sucks. Disarm could be cool, and it SHOULD remain troubling enough to be a pro/con choice of hunting grounds. I've seen a lot of folks complain about "never using their choice weapon" for fear of disarm, then also getting all up in arms at the idea they might lose their item for 24 hours. Thats still a HUGE improvement on where they are at isn't it? Really the big change should be in how the lost item is handle in the hunting ground. I saw a de-legged skeleton giant lying in a room once and I left him. He stayed for HOURS. I named him something stupid and he was my homie for a while, but I digress. If the lost item kept the critter from despawning (as apparently some things can do) most folks would be able to reacquire their items. There is still player theft which would require a bit more fine tuned approach, but just keeping the creature/item from despawning would take care of MOST problems requiring an assist.

Graverobbing is super fucked though.

The main issue is that there's zero confidence that Simu will do anything to make it anything less than the most stupid most senseless shit ever, to the point where people would probably prefer old (current) Disarm.

They're that stupid now. They've always been stupid, but they're dumber than they've ever been these days.

[Rjex]

I just don't think there's any justification for your item leaving your possession involuntarily when Simu themselves have created a system/events (DR, etc) where you can pump hundreds/thousands into your item if you so choose. They can't have it both ways. P2W uber items, OR forcing items from your hands - not both.

For the millionth time, they should have just turned it into Sunder Weapon and been done with this absolutely ages ago. Incur RT, remove parry defense from the weapon, weapon unusable for X amount of time.

That's exactly the thing. They give ways to spend ludicrous amounts on items and still would give you the "too bad so sad" line if a player picks it up. Quite ridiculous, particularly with how easy disarm is to fix. Any of these would do:

1. Strip disarm from creatures that have it. Then spend 15 years thinking of how you can re-implement it. Boom, done!

2. Replace disarm code with incurred RT instead. Such and such knocks your sword to the ground! You scramble to pick it up! RT: 15 seconds. Done! So simple, so easy. Why make something more difficult than it has to be?

[Methais]

That's exactly the thing. They give ways to spend ludicrous amounts on items and still would give you the "too bad so sad" line if a player picks it up. Quite ridiculous, particularly with how easy disarm is to fix. Any of these would do:

1. Strip disarm from creatures that have it. Then spend 15 years thinking of how you can re-implement it. Boom, done!

2. Replace disarm code with incurred RT instead. Such and such knocks your sword to the ground! You scramble to pick it up! RT: 15 seconds. Done! So simple, so easy. Why make something more difficult than it has to be?

https://i.imgur.com/AtOppFm.png

[Ososis]

Exactly as I stated, you want it nerfed to complete nothingness. Sunder weapon? Ooh, 10 seconds without your weapon. lame.

[Methais]

Exactly as I stated, you want it nerfed to complete nothingness. Sunder weapon? Ooh, 10 seconds without your weapon. lame.

How is that different than picking up your weapon after 10 seconds?

Item loss in a P2W game, especially shit like GS where shit goes for hundreds/thousands of dollars is bullshit and everyone knows it.

The only people who still care about having item loss are you and Krakii.

[Ososis]

How is that different than picking up your weapon after 10 seconds?

Item loss in a P2W game, especially shit like GS where shit goes for hundreds/thousands of dollars is bullshit and everyone knows it.

The only people who still care about having item loss are you and Krakii.

Are you not reading what I wrote?
Are you stupid as fuck?
are you deliberately trying to mischaracterize what I am saying?

Pick one, cause I was pretty fucking clear about item loss yet somehow you act like you don't understand.

[Realk]

i don't think that anyone would complain about the rt for such actions happening after you managed to grab your weapon, like Ryjex's thought. as far as being clear as to what you wrote...10 seconds without a weapon, lame. Yeah that's clear as mud.

[Velfi]

A disarm style mechanic as a penalty seems okay to me, but the idea that your registered weapon can get disarmed, you die, and it gets picked up by a player and kept but a GM can see that and won't return it to you is just ridiculous.

[Methais]

Are you not reading what I wrote?
Are you stupid as fuck?
are you deliberately trying to mischaracterize what I am saying?

Pick one, cause I was pretty fucking clear about item loss yet somehow you act like you don't understand.


What I actually meant to say was “stupid amounts of tedium” and I somehow wrote “item loss” instead. Probably because I was talking about item loss in the previous paragraph.

Lol @ how angry you are though. :lol:

[audioserf]

Exactly as I stated, you want it nerfed to complete nothingness. Sunder weapon? Ooh, 10 seconds without your weapon. lame.

100%

Glad we're on the same page

Nerf the FUCK out of disarm

Have a good evening

[Methais]

100%

Glad we're on the same page

Nerf the FUCK out of disarm

Have a good evening

I’m pretty sure that the primary purpose of disarm is to make you die easier and item loss is just a side effect that Simu is literally too stupid to address.

[Ososis]

What I actually meant to say was “stupid amounts of tedium” and I somehow wrote “item loss” instead. Probably because I was talking about item loss in the previous paragraph.

Lol @ how angry you are though. :lol:

Ah, so it was option #2 but you decided to throw in #3 also. Way to be awesome.

[Fortybox]

Wyrom's response to disarm not being fixed was...

"Disarm isn't the number 1 reason why people assist in game."

Total BS. The real reason disarm is not "fixed" is because Wyrom wants to monetize off of it. Wouldn't surprise me GM Finros said screw this and left the current dev undone. Literally all Simu has to do is change the CMAN from disarm or the spell from itchy curse to literally ANY other CMAN or spell that doesn't cause item loss. But no, can't do that because it doesn't equal $$$.

[Ososis]

i don't think that anyone would complain about the rt for such actions happening after you managed to grab your weapon, like Ryjex's thought. as far as being clear as to what you wrote...10 seconds without a weapon, lame. Yeah that's clear as mud.

"Item loss is ballsack and should never happen at this point in the game"

How about that part? was it unclear for you?

[Fortybox]

"Item loss is ballsack and should never happen at this point in the game"

How about that part? was it unclear for you?

Glad you agree disarm is stupid and needs to be removed.

[Ososis]

Glad you agree disarm is stupid and needs to be removed.

I guess I must make really good points if nobody can argue my real ones.

[Fortybox]

I guess I must make really good points if nobody can argue my real ones.

Glad you agree disarm is stupid and needs to be removed.

[Astray]

Removing disarm is dumb but I can see why people want the investment protected. They could make it so once you pick up the weapon, you get some flavor messaging. Like, "You pick up a broadsword. You recognize this weapon as (name). You last recall seeing them in the area of (last known town characters interacted or were)." Chances are you're running past or looking at a character. It makes sense to link a registered weapon to the owner in some RP form.

Make a weapon that you actually own stick out when you register it or something.

[Taernath]

Where did they mention disarm updates and why are we talking about them in an urchin contract thread?

[Methais]

Ah, so it was option #2 but you decided to throw in #3 also. Way to be awesome.

No, but I don't expect you to understand basic things.


I guess I must make really good points if nobody can argue my real ones.

Your real ones are stupid and no one gives a shit about them. Except for the part where you agree disarm is stupid and needs to be removed.


Where did they mention disarm updates and why are we talking about them in an urchin contract thread?

Because Wyrom.

[Ososis]

No, but I don't expect you to understand basic things.



Your real ones are stupid and no one gives a shit about them. Except for the part where you agree disarm is stupid and needs to be removed.



Because Wyrom.

Just shitposting then? Alright, carry on with your fabricated bluster.

[Methais]

Just shitposting then?

No, your ideas really are fucking stupid.


Alright, carry on with your fabricated bluster.

You trying to say shit to anyone else on the planet about bluster is irony at its finest. And gayest.

[Ososis]

No, your ideas really are fucking stupid.

You trying to say shit to anyone else on the planet about bluster is irony at its finest. And gayest.

"you're dumb! Also, you're dumber than me so I can't be dumb!"
See? garbage.

ETA: Unless we are in an Alanis Morissette song thats not irony.

[Astray]

"you're dumb! Also, you're dumber than me so I can't be dumb!"
See? garbage.

ETA: Unless we are in an Alanis Morissette song thats not irony.

https://i.imgur.com/8ZqBXEl.jpg

[Methais]

"you're dumb! Also, you're dumber than me so I can't be dumb!"
See? garbage.

ETA: Unless we are in an Alanis Morissette song thats not irony.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TameGeneralKissingbug-size_restricted.gif

blus·ter
/ˈbləstər/
Learn to pronounce
verb
1.
talk in a loud, aggressive, or indignant way with little effect.
"you threaten and bluster, but won't carry it through"
synonyms: rant, thunder; More
noun
1.
loud, aggressive, or indignant talk with little effect.
"their threats contained a measure of bluster"



^ This is you in 99.99999% of every post you make.

That, and this:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5f8a278267a7c76b8abbbaf1b27ff558/tenor.gif?itemid=6152061

[Ososis]

blus·ter
/ˈbləstər/
Learn to pronounce
verb
1.
talk in a loud, aggressive, or indignant way with little effect.
"you threaten and bluster, but won't carry it through"
synonyms: rant, thunder; More
noun
1.
loud, aggressive, or indignant talk with little effect.
"their threats contained a measure of bluster"



^ This is you in 99.99999% of every post you make.



I didn't realize that bluster carried such an aggressive connotation. Wasn't my intention with it but its not so far off the mark. In any case, it's still not ironic. Ironic is you being illiterate while playing a MUDD. You should care if you misunderstood someone, it should matter. But it doesn't, and that's a bummer.

[Methais]

I didn't realize that bluster carried such an aggressive connotation. Wasn't my intention with it but its not so far off the mark.

So you're just stupid as fuck then.


In any case, it's still not ironic. Ironic is you being illiterate while playing a MUDD. You should care if you misunderstood someone, it should matter. But it doesn't, and that's a bummer.

https://i.imgflip.com/d4i6z.jpg

[Ososis]

I didn't know the full dictionary definition of bluster because I was ignorant, and now I am not.
You make up strawman arguments because you are stupid as fuck and remain stupid as fuck.

You can try to skew it however you want, but me hounding macguyver to talk shit and you fabricating narratives and twisting words into disingenuous nonsense so you can bitch about it is fucking foul and you probably already know that.

[Methais]

I didn't know the full dictionary definition of bluster because I was ignorant, and now I am not.
You make up strawman arguments because you are stupid as fuck and remain stupid as fuck.

You can try to skew it however you want, but me hounding macguyver to talk shit and you fabricating narratives and twisting words into disingenuous nonsense so you can bitch about it is fucking foul and you probably already know that.

Feel free to provide some examples instead of acting like everyone's crazy ex-girlfriend 24/7. The fact that you and said crazy ex-girlfriends are cunts is irrelevant.