If it were not for bad luck...

[Diamondback]

...she wouldn't have any at all it seems.

So she is kidnaped, held for a month and finally released, only to be shot by US soldiers in some yet to be explained error. She was wounded but lived but it seems at least one person was killed, an Italian intelligence officer.

I hope there is a good explanation for this as that really is just a horrible turn of events.

The Italian government is understandably not happy at all, demanding a full acounting for how this came to pass.

The link below is to the BBC article I read .



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4320111.stm

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Diamondback

The Italian government is understandably not happy at all, demanding a full acounting for how this came to pass.



what are they going to do?

Pull out of Iraq?

The Iraqi are better soldiers than the Italian so let them go ahead.

[Alfster]

Accidents do happen in war zones....

[Diamondback]

Originally posted by theotherjohn

what are they going to do?

Pull out of Iraq?

The Iraqi are better soldiers than the Italian so let them go ahead.

I think it might be better not to assume it was the Italians at fault untill more facts are known and I thought we were trying to woo the europeans into going TO Iraq rather than alienating one of those few supporters we actually do have there.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Diamondback

Originally posted by theotherjohn

what are they going to do?

Pull out of Iraq?

The Iraqi are better soldiers than the Italian so let them go ahead.

I think it might be better not to assume it was the Italians at fault untill more facts are known and I thought we were trying to woo the europeans into going TO Iraq rather than alienating one of those few supporters we actually do have there.

I think it would be better not to assume it was the US at fault until more facts are known.

Dumbass

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Diamondback
[I think it might be better not to assume it was the Italians at fault untill more facts are known

read the news. It was the Italian's fault

[Diamondback]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I think it would be better not to assume it was the US at fault until more facts are known.

Dumbass

Well now, I don't think I said I claimed to know which side if either was to blame actually.

That assumption was made by others.

Not quite sure what it was I said that deserved the dumbass comment.

:?:

[Bobmuhthol]

The insinuation that the US was likely at fault, whether you came out and said it or not.

[Arshwikk]

Let Italy be pissed...no one needs to assume Italy made an error, it's obvious, as they clearly failed in their objective. If it's their rescue, and their mission, then it lies soley on them to ensure the people who "need to know" knew. If it was their plan to speed toward an American checkpoint, then the needed to inform the Americans, and be SURE they knew...obviously, this is not the case. If they did not plan on speeding toward an American checkpoint, then it was a busted plan, again, Italy's failure. The woman is lucky to be alive...I would say her luck is better then many who are not.

[Keller]

Like Backlash said, no one is at fault. Please continue the discussion in the other thread.

[Diamondback]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
The insinuation that the US was likely at fault, whether you came out and said it or not.

Not correct.




I hope there is a good explanation for this as that really is just a horrible turn of events.




So she is kidnaped, held for a month and finally released, only to be shot by US soldiers in some yet to be explained error.


Those are the most aggressive statements made by me. Perhaps as you tend to be in attack mode so often you assume others are as well.

That simply is not the case in this incident.

I do not claim to know which side is at fault and am in fact at this point merely lamenting the horrible luck this woman has had recently.

If it comes out that this was the fault of someone in the car I will feel badly both for the US soldiers and those wounded. If on the other hand it turns out to be a case of one or more young soldiers having an itchy trigger finger I would then be among those complaining quite loudly.

I have not done either of those as yet as I do not have sufficient information.

Feel free to label me after I actually take a stand, but at least refrain until then.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Perhaps as you tend to be in attack mode so often you assume others are as well.>>

Who are you again?

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Diamondback
I thought we were trying to woo the europeans into going TO Iraq rather than alienating one of those few supporters we actually do have there.

If by support you mean the 3,000 troops from Italy.

Yeah they are making a big difference :rolleyes:

[Diamondback]

Originally posted by theotherjohn

If by support you mean the 3,000 troops from Italy.

Yeah they are making a big difference :rolleyes:

No, I mean that U.S. popularity is at a near low point in Europe presently and when the Italian government especially the prime minister has been much more friendly than most it is not in our best interest to tell them to take a leap.

President Bush has just been all over Europe recently trying to mend fences so I would assume this was not news happily recieved by him either.

The days of telling the world to screw off may be over.

[Back]

They definately are.

Everything good about the end of WWII (except Hiroshima and Nagasaki) has been destroyed.

And it was Iran who fueled US in that war.

http://www.zendada.com/images/propoganda/united.jpg