Sign of Hopelessness

[aramund]

Is there any mechanical benefit to using sign of hopelessness ever? Why does it exist?

[Taernath]

Is there any mechanical benefit to using sign of hopelessness ever? Why does it exist?

It used to be purely for roleplaying or causing drama by going demonic. Now I guess you can't even spirit death from it? It's useless.

[Methais]

COL is still stuck in the 90s.

[beldar17]

I think you can use it to die if someone put lifekeep on you

[Derex]

I think you can use it to die if someone put lifekeep on you

You can still depart if your lkd even without it tho

[Vishnell]

CoL needs a major overhaul

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[Taernath]

Careful... the last time CoL was overhauled they deleted the Landing location.

[AnOrdim]

Yeah, Estild laughed and flat out said we wouldn't like any overhaul of CoL they would do.

At least Quilic is giving us some love in the premium storyline.

[Murrandii]

Yeah, Estild laughed and flat out said we wouldn't like any overhaul of CoL they would do.

At least Quilic is giving us some love in the premium storyline.


Why, COL is the weakest society. Yeah, you master it fast but it plain sux compared to the other 2

[Fortybox]

It used to be purely for roleplaying or causing drama by going demonic. Now I guess you can't even spirit death from it? It's useless.

I miss the days where we had the emo drama starry road walks. This game needs more drama.

[Gelston]

Why, COL is the weakest society. Yeah, you master it fast but it plain sux compared to the other 2

CoL is great because it works on everything and you aren't pushed into hunting certain things. Not a lot of options for GOS at cap.

[mgoddess]

Not a lot of options for GOS at cap.
Besides warcamps?

[Maerit]

CoL is great because it works on everything and you aren't pushed into hunting certain things. Not a lot of options for GOS at cap.

Are you talking about ranking up? The weighting aspect from GOS is just a perk to help make war camps manageable. Everything else works on all foes just fine.

Ranking up at cap means warcamps, war parties assigned by the taskmaster or huge earth elementals in the confluence.

COL is for pures and the lazy (or hardcore mode since its safe). Hopelessness is useless now.

[Gelston]

Are you talking about ranking up? The weighting aspect from GOS is just a perk to help make war camps manageable. Everything else works on all foes just fine.

Ranking up at cap means warcamps, war parties assigned by the taskmaster or huge earth elementals in the confluence.

COL is for pures and the lazy (or hardcore mode since its safe). Hopelessness is useless now.

Nope, not talking about ranking up. Take out the benefits from the hated foes only stuff and I don't really see GoS as better. Equivalent, sure. It definitely has better RPability compared to CoL. I'm not knocking GoS in anyway, I just think they need to make capped trolls and orcs.


Besides warcamps?

Warcamps that anyone can get into with a level 3 alt.

[Maerit]

Nope, not talking about ranking up. Take out the benefits from the hated foes only stuff and I don't really see GoS as better. Equivalent, sure. It definitely has better RPability compared to CoL. I'm not knocking GoS in anyway, I just think they need to make capped trolls and orcs.


I don't know what you're talking about... There are 2 sigils in GoS that part of the sigil only works vs hated foes. Sigil of Minor Bane (+5 AS - works on everything +10 CER Damage Weighting - only works on hated foes) and Sigil of Major Bane (+10 AS - works on everything +10 CER Crit Weighting - only works on hated foes). Everything else works on every target in the game.

Sigil of Major Protection = +10DS and +10 CER Crit Padding vs every single foe in the game, and stacks with all your existing padding from armor and other effects (such as 520).
Sigil of Distraction = EBP reduction and works on everything.
Sigil of Intimidation = AS/DS reduction works on everything.


With GoS you get +30 AS/DS, heavy crit padding, and +20 TD to all forms of magic (plus +5 mana per pulse from concentration, and +15 HP every pulse from mending) that works against every foe in the game. That's just the normal combat stuff that you keep running, and doesn't account for all teh utility available such as Determination, which is the only ability in the game that can allow you to search and cast targets when you have a Rank 2 head / eye wound.

With CoL you get +35 AS/DS and +15 TD to all forms of magic, immune to bleeding, and an additional +20 to Bolt DS. I'm not seeing how CoL is even remotely "equal" to GoS.


Warcamps that anyone can get into with a level 3 alt.

Yeah, any old alt can open warcamps, but only GoS members can actually get tasks for them that provides instant XP when turned in and makes your character saturated for enhanced XP absorb. The hunting ground is accessible by anyone who can get the path opened, but only members can do the tasks.

Anyway, CoL still serves a purpose, but more and more I find it lacks any luster beyond Wracking. Wracking is the only reason I would ever bother to leave a character in CoL when you compare the substantially more useful abilities available in GoS and Voln. If they removed the whole "you lose your powers for 20 minutes if your spirit goes below 50%" restriction, CoL would be a lot more viable.

[Taernath]

I guess I just wish you could utilize the crit weighting aspect of GoS on something other than hated foes. Even if it were reduced to light or fair vs. non-hated.

[Fortybox]

GoS is dumb. Crit padding is overrated and easy to get with WPS these days.

[Maerit]

GoS is dumb. Crit padding is overrated and easy to get with WPS these days.

Huh? They stack. Armor and Sigil padding stacks. You're saying that GoS is dumb because having easy access to an additional +10 CER is overrated in some way?

The only thing that compares is Symbol of Transcendence, and you can't keep that symbol up for the entire hunt because you'll run out of favor rapidly.

[Fortybox]

Huh? They stack. Armor and Sigil padding stacks. You're saying that GoS is dumb because having easy access to an additional +10 CER is overrated in some way?

The only thing that compares is Symbol of Transcendence, and you can't keep that symbol up for the entire hunt because you'll run out of favor rapidly.

Crit padding doesn't really matter. You don't really need it and most people get it on their armor anyways. It's overrated.

[Stanley Burrell]

Die in an anti-magic area like the tree in the RR Commons. Have someone look at you using Sign of Hopelessness. The messaging from 3rd person is frickin' cool.

[Methais]

Yeah, Estild laughed and flat out said we wouldn't like any overhaul of CoL they would do.

At least Quilic is giving us some love in the premium storyline.

That's because Estild likes to ruin everything he touches and then he beats off to it immediately after.

[Methais]

Yeah, any old alt can open warcamps, but only GoS members can actually get tasks for them that provides instant XP when turned in and makes your character saturated for enhanced XP absorb. The hunting ground is accessible by anyone who can get the path opened, but only members can do the tasks.

The exp from these is weak compared to normal bounties though, and you don't get normal bounties on warcamps.


Anyway, CoL still serves a purpose, but more and more I find it lacks any luster beyond Wracking. Wracking is the only reason I would ever bother to leave a character in CoL when you compare the substantially more useful abilities available in GoS and Voln. If they removed the whole "you lose your powers for 20 minutes if your spirit goes below 50%" restriction, CoL would be a lot more viable.

This is correct.

Also, Voln > both COL and GoS

[Gelston]

I didn't even notice that. Who the hell cares about Warcamp tasks? I used them for stepping, but they were just pointless after that, the XP was so weak it wasn't even worth getting one, except a raze task.

[audioserf]

Anyway, CoL still serves a purpose, but more and more I find it lacks any luster beyond Wracking. Wracking is the only reason I would ever bother to leave a character in CoL when you compare the substantially more useful abilities available in GoS and Voln. If they removed the whole "you lose your powers for 20 minutes if your spirit goes below 50%" restriction, CoL would be a lot more viable.

I agree with this. COL's got its niche, and is awesome for lower level warding hunters.

I think any COL review is going to nuke Wracking with some sort of cool down or make it not return 100% of mana. AS/DS/TD buffs would likely get their durations slashed and the level based component removed.

Anyone in COL should hope they never touch it again, imo.

[Maerit]

I didn't even notice that. Who the hell cares about Warcamp tasks? I used them for stepping, but they were just pointless after that, the XP was so weak it wasn't even worth getting one, except a raze task.

Nothing beats bounties, and the BPs you get are also superior to the pointless prestige points. For those few that dislike bounty hunting, and love warcamps (not myself), it's better than just getting fried. Especially since some of the tasks are so easy, they're basically free XP. Rescues, retrival, and shaman/warchief tasks take no more than a few minutes for the reward of saturation and instant XP. It's an alternative hunting option that no other society provides.


I agree with this. COL's got its niche, and is awesome for lower level warding hunters.

I think any COL review is going to nuke Wracking with some sort of cool down or make it not return 100% of mana. AS/DS/TD buffs would likely get their durations slashed and the level based component removed.

Anyone in COL should hope they never touch it again, imo.

This is exactly what would happen with COL review per the devs comments. At the very least, the durations would be more in-line with Voln and the costs would be more significant, per the last conversation on this topic. Wracking would likely not be as potent. I honestly am not opposed, though, because anyone who builds their entire hunting style around Wracking is doing it wrong and using a crutch to solve a problem they could solve with other tools, and there are so many useless abilities in COL that could be re-tuned to become useful. The duration issue is only a problem at the low levels when your resources are tight, so it would be interesting to see what the devs would come up with if they did refactor COL.

[Stumplicker]

Come on. Let's be honest. "You wouldn't like it if we changed that" is mainly just a threat. "Don't ask for development or we'll make something you hate" isn't even a disconnect with your customer base. It's knowing what your customer base wants and actively doing the opposite of that.

That said, no development would happen on CoL anyway, and if it did, wracking would still probably work in a similar fashion. It'd just only work like symbol of mana unless you buy the super-evil-darkness orbs for 100 simucoins each to empower it. But that's okay because you get two uses a day without paying extra if you're a premium subscriber.

[Maerit]

I imagine if they refactored Wracking it would be something like 50 mana for 1 spirit with a cooldown, and you can activate it again within 5 minutes for 5 spirit for another 50 mana. So, at cap with 301 mana (1x HP), you'd get 100 mana for 6 spirit instead of 301 mana for 5 spirit. On the plus side, abilities like Possession and Madness might be re-worked to make sense and be useful.

Hopelessness could be re-worked to remove current status effects (web, stun, etc) and make you immune to them for 60 seconds, but once the 60 seconds ends all spirit is drained and you get a spirit death. No cooldown. Spirit death is enough of a reason to only use the ability in super rare situations.

[Methais]

I agree with this. COL's got its niche, and is awesome for lower level warding hunters.

I think any COL review is going to nuke Wracking with some sort of cool down or make it not return 100% of mana. AS/DS/TD buffs would likely get their durations slashed and the level based component removed.

Anyone in COL should hope they never touch it again, imo.

This is correct. COL does need a revamp, but Simu's idea of revamping things is to nerf all the good things and then add in a bunch of garbage and be like "Here you go!"

I'm still baffled how Voln managed to not get torn to shreds when it got revamped, but I'm pretty sure Estild wasn't around then, or at least had nothing to do with it. The curent dev staff wants to nerf everything in sight and probably haven't actually played GS with any regularity in over a decade.

[audioserf]

Voln got really buffed. That review is one of the best cases of 'making every part of it better' I've seen in GS really. The only people who took an L were those using Fu to hunt who weren't in a position to move to UAC with the same degree of effectiveness.

[Methais]

Voln got really buffed. That review is one of the best cases of 'making every part of it better' I've seen in GS really. The only people who took an L were those using Fu to hunt who weren't in a position to move to UAC with the same degree of effectiveness.

Except for old Symbol of Dreams. That was the greatest thing ever. But that got nerfed way before the Voln revamp.

But still...

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[Murrandii]

MAN!!!! What's the direction of simu wants to go?

Where's the big picture? What do you want your societies to be?

VOLN is A+ against undead, C against living, upkeep is D- (need to hunt for favors) ?
GOS is A+ against hated foes, B against living, upkeep is F for semis, D for pures, B for squares?
COL is B against living, B against undead, upkeep is B for most professions?

Where are their charts, where are their design? Why is it ALWAYS the decision of a nowhere?

[Stumplicker]

Except for old Symbol of Dreams. That was the greatest thing ever. But that got nerfed way before the Voln revamp.

But still...


You're the worst wizard ever. Symbol of dreams was cool and all, but it was not the best thing ever.

0 second hasted Fu was the best thing ever. One of the highlights of my early GS career was flattening Ghoul masters with Jenovadeath for hours on end with my level 12 wizard.

[Taernath]

Except for old Symbol of Dreams. That was the greatest thing ever. But that got nerfed way before the Voln revamp.


RIP old cleric meditate

Literally the reason I made a cleric.

[Stumplicker]

RIP old cleric meditate

Literally the reason I made a cleric.

Now that this thread is officially a wax nostalgic thread, I miss knocking the Empaths in TSC over and them not being able to get back up because they were more fluff than man.

[Methais]

RIP old cleric meditate

Literally the reason I made a cleric.

Repel and meditate are why I made mine.

150 end roll = death on any undead was tits. Large round firm perfectly shaped tits.

Then GS4 had to go and ruin clerics like cunts. :(

[Stumplicker]

They should make a vanilla Gemstone server like they're making vanilla WoW servers so we can all buddy up with the fattest person available for trap door parties and then all stand in one room together waiting for our turn to kill the one thyril that walks in. ....This is a terrible idea. Nevermind.

[Taernath]

They should make a vanilla Gemstone server like they're making vanilla WoW servers so we can all buddy up with the fattest person available for trap door parties and then all stand in one room together waiting for our turn to kill the one thyril that walks in. ....This is a terrible idea. Nevermind.

It would probably require a fee on top of a basic, premium, and platinum subscription.

[Stumplicker]

It would probably require a fee on top of a basic, premium, and platinum subscription.

Haha. They could call it Gemstone Unobtainium.

[Methais]

Gemstone: Sharted

[gilchristr]

Doing sign of hopeless should immediately kill you and make you rot, but in addition should do a powerful retribution attack to everyone in the room. For the retribution attack, they could just use the same code for the symbol of retribution that you can use without rotting for favor in voln, with some modifier to appropriately reflect the fact that its a one shot for hopelessness (in voln, you can keep doing the attack over and over so long as you have favor).

[Astray]

Doing sign of hopeless should immediately kill you and make you rot, but in addition should do a powerful retribution attack to everyone in the room.
Do you want terrorism? That's how you get terrorism.

[Gelston]

Do you want terrorism? That's how you get terrorism.

Yes

[Methais]

Yes



You belt out, "ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You become visible again.

Arkans traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...

Washee cackles!

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
The chest vibrates slightly but nothing else happens.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

* Razcor just bit the dust!

Arkans gestures at Washee.
Arkans stares deeply into Washee's eyes.
CS: +384 - TD: +264 + CvA: -21 + d100: +56 == +155
Warding failed!
Washee collapses to the ground screaming!
Washee is stunned!

Rern leaps from hiding to attack!
Rern swings an uber 10x permablessed falchion at Augie!
AS: +326 vs DS: +525 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +83 = -89
A clean miss.

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
The chest vibrates slightly but nothing else happens.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
The chest vibrates slightly but nothing else happens.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
You hear a soft click from the chest and it suddenly flies open.
Suddenly, a plain iron chest gives off a loud sizzle, and explodes in a bright flash!
Being closest, you take the brunt of the blast!
... 50 points of damage!
Massive blow to your chest collapses your sternum!
You are stunned for 8 rounds!

The chest's casing is blasted into hundreds of tiny flechettes!

You are severely perforated!
... 35 points of damage!
Shot destroys eye and the brain behind it!
The brilliant luminescence fades from around you.
A luminescent aura fades from around you.
Your concentration on the image fades.
You no longer bristle with energy.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves you.
You feel less confident than before.
You feel the extra courage wane.
You feel your extra magical awareness leave you.
You feel the surge of magic depart.
You notice the faint image of yourself disappear.
The bright luminescence fades from around you.
You come back into focus.
The layer of protection fades away.
You become solid again.
The silvery luminescence fades from around you.
The translucent sphere fades from around you.
You feel your extra strength departing.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
Augie is struck by flechettes!
... 15 points of damage!
Surgical strike removes Augie's left eye!
She is stunned!
... 15 points of damage!
Strike just below the jaw, nice shot to the neck!
Washee is struck by flechettes!
... 15 points of damage!
Shot to the hand slices a finger to the bone!
... 15 points of damage!
Well aimed shot, punctures upper arm!
Dozens of flechettes fly off to the northeast!

Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
You are a ghost! You must wait until someone resurrects you, or you decay. Either way, it won't be long now! (HELP for more details).

[Gelston]

You belt out, "ALLAHU AKBAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You become visible again.

Arkans traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...

Washee cackles!

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
The chest vibrates slightly but nothing else happens.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

* Razcor just bit the dust!

Arkans gestures at Washee.
Arkans stares deeply into Washee's eyes.
CS: +384 - TD: +264 + CvA: -21 + d100: +56 == +155
Warding failed!
Washee collapses to the ground screaming!
Washee is stunned!

Rern leaps from hiding to attack!
Rern swings an uber 10x permablessed falchion at Augie!
AS: +326 vs DS: +525 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +83 = -89
A clean miss.

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
The chest vibrates slightly but nothing else happens.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
The chest vibrates slightly but nothing else happens.
[Spell re-prepared]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.

You gesture at a plain iron chest.
You hear a soft click from the chest and it suddenly flies open.
Suddenly, a plain iron chest gives off a loud sizzle, and explodes in a bright flash!
Being closest, you take the brunt of the blast!
... 50 points of damage!
Massive blow to your chest collapses your sternum!
You are stunned for 8 rounds!

The chest's casing is blasted into hundreds of tiny flechettes!

You are severely perforated!
... 35 points of damage!
Shot destroys eye and the brain behind it!
The brilliant luminescence fades from around you.
A luminescent aura fades from around you.
Your concentration on the image fades.
You no longer bristle with energy.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves you.
You feel less confident than before.
You feel the extra courage wane.
You feel your extra magical awareness leave you.
You feel the surge of magic depart.
You notice the faint image of yourself disappear.
The bright luminescence fades from around you.
You come back into focus.
The layer of protection fades away.
You become solid again.
The silvery luminescence fades from around you.
The translucent sphere fades from around you.
You feel your extra strength departing.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 10 mins...
Augie is struck by flechettes!
... 15 points of damage!
Surgical strike removes Augie's left eye!
She is stunned!
... 15 points of damage!
Strike just below the jaw, nice shot to the neck!
Washee is struck by flechettes!
... 15 points of damage!
Shot to the hand slices a finger to the bone!
... 15 points of damage!
Well aimed shot, punctures upper arm!
Dozens of flechettes fly off to the northeast!

Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
>
You are a ghost! You must wait until someone resurrects you, or you decay. Either way, it won't be long now! (HELP for more details).

I've done that in the real game instance before, n00b

[Methais]

I've done that in the real game instance before, n00b

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[Gelston]

https://i.imgur.com/pM98UMz.gif?noredirect

You're ClydeR.

[Stumplicker]

You're ClydeR.

I think you're ClydeR. You've never explicitly denied it. WHAT IS THIS GUY HIDING? HE WON'T EVEN RELEASE HIS IP ADDRESS FOR STUDY.

[Gelston]

I think you're ClydeR. You've never explicitly denied it. WHAT IS THIS GUY HIDING? HE WON'T EVEN RELEASE HIS IP ADDRESS FOR STUDY.

I'm not ClydeR.

[Stumplicker]

I'm not ClydeR.

That's a convenient answer. You know if they weren't refusing to release the Kranar report, it would tell a different tale of your collusion.

[Gelston]

That's a convenient answer. You know if they weren't refusing to release the Kranar report, it would tell a different tale of your collusion.

You're gay.

[Stumplicker]

You're gay.


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