1206 will hit Magic Immune critters

[Maerit]

I want to think this is a real, non-troll, response from Estild on discord:


Ragz ��Today at 9:13 AM
1206 hits magic immune stuff
Because it’s throwing actual physical objects


Ragz ��Today at 9:13 AM
No that’s a lie probably
But it should

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EstildToday at 9:18 AM
Actually, 1206 should do that, but I haven't updated it to allow it yet. It will happen though.


This would make it possible to FINALLY use your magic skill (spell aiming) to hit magic immune creatures. Them 1207/1206 wands will be useful. SK 1206 will be useful for more than just flavor (because DF is good, but not better than many other bolting options). 1206 scrolls become handy to have infused and carry with you...

I think it makes sense, but I do think it opens up a pandora's box. For example, should 710, when it hurls stones "Large hailstones whip through the area!" cause damage to magic immune? Should 510, hurling a physical boulder "You hurl a large boulder at...." be considered a physical attack? What about dumping a bunch of daggers on the ground and casting open 720? Shouldn't that be the same as 1206 hurling a dagger at a target?

This is a great change for versatility and improving the spell, but I'd love to see the other physical elements of many spells be considered as well. Especially now that they have magic immune "rare" critters that show up in hunting grounds. Giving pures some way to deal with them would be nice.

[m444w]

Or just do the sane thing and remove immunity and use our excellent resistance system.

[audioserf]

1206 makes sense.

Any other spell you listed I would still consider magical and not think it should hit magic immune things. That boulder you hurl with 510 wasn't there until you cast the spell, it's a magical boulder. There wasn't a maelstrom going and you just happened to aim it at the creature, it's a magical storm. Etc. 1206 is described as hurling a physical item that already exists in the room at the thing, so I get it.

I also don't think we should have any blanket immunity (be it magic or physical) and agree with the above that we should instead see resistances where needed.

[Red]

+100% magic resistance

[Stanley Burrell]

I dunno; maybe, like, do what they did with puncture immune undead stuff and just have the damage ...er, do damage... but truncate it by some magic number?

Edit: Just what were puncture-immune critters in general way back when, undead or not.

[Gelston]

The difference between 1206 and other spells that seemingly do physical attacks, such as 510 or maelstrom, is that 1206 is literally picking up an object in the room. The other spells are creating them with magic. There weren't hailstones or any of that in the room prior to the spell.

[mgoddess]

1206 makes sense.

Any other spell you listed I would still consider magical and not think it should hit magic immune things. That boulder you hurl with 510 wasn't there until you cast the spell, it's a magical boulder. There wasn't a maelstrom going and you just happened to aim it at the creature, it's a magical storm. Etc. 1206 is described as hurling a physical item that already exists in the room at the thing, so I get it.


The difference between 1206 and other spells that seemingly do physical attacks, such as 510 or maelstrom, is that 1206 is literally picking up an object in the room. The other spells are creating them with magic. There weren't hailstones or any of that in the room prior to the spell.

^^

[adred]

>incant 510
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a banded cave worm.
You hurl a large boulder at a banded cave worm!
AS: +620 vs DS: +389 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +94 = +359
... and hit for 168 points of damage!
** Numerous sigils along your witchwood scepter abruptly flare to brilliance! Pale energy surges from each, twining into an echo of your last spell... **
You hurl a large boulder at a banded cave worm!
AS: +625 vs DS: +362 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +19 = +316
... and hit for 156 points of damage!
The worm rolls over and dies.
Fiery elemental energy energizes you.
** Necrotic energy from your witchwood scepter overflows into you! **
You feel energized!
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.

a big ass boulder seems sorta physical too

[Gelston]

>incant 510
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a banded cave worm.
You hurl a large boulder at a banded cave worm!
AS: +620 vs DS: +389 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +94 = +359
... and hit for 168 points of damage!
** Numerous sigils along your witchwood scepter abruptly flare to brilliance! Pale energy surges from each, twining into an echo of your last spell... **
You hurl a large boulder at a banded cave worm!
AS: +625 vs DS: +362 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +19 = +316
... and hit for 156 points of damage!
The worm rolls over and dies.
Fiery elemental energy energizes you.
** Necrotic energy from your witchwood scepter overflows into you! **
You feel energized!
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.

a big ass boulder seems sorta physical too

Like was said earlier, the boulder was created by magic. It wasn't some random item laying around in the room like 1206 throws.

[adred]

well then they should make it say a magic fucking boulder then... fuck

[Gelston]

well then they should make it say a magic fucking boulder then... fuck

That would be redundantly redundant.

[adred]

well then they should make it say a magic fucking boulder then... fuck

>incant 510
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a haggard snow witch.
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a haggard snow witch!
AS: +600 vs DS: +238 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +23 = +419
... and hit for 189 points of damage!
Strong blow to chest!
The snow witch is stunned!
** Numerous sigils along your witchwood scepter abruptly flare to brilliance! Pale energy surges from each, twining into an echo of your last spell... **
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a haggard snow witch!
AS: +610 vs DS: +215 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +67 = +496
... and hit for 229 points of damage!
Massive blow removes the snow witch's right forearm at the elbow!
You sense a surge of essence being dragged from the witch, only to dissipate as your multicolored soulstone overflows with power.
The snow witch falls to the ground motionless.
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.

[Gelston]

well then they should make it say a magic fucking boulder then... fuck

>incant 510
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a haggard snow witch.
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a haggard snow witch!
AS: +600 vs DS: +238 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +23 = +419
... and hit for 189 points of damage!
Strong blow to chest!
The snow witch is stunned!
** Numerous sigils along your witchwood scepter abruptly flare to brilliance! Pale energy surges from each, twining into an echo of your last spell... **
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a haggard snow witch!
AS: +610 vs DS: +215 with AvD: +34 + d100 roll: +67 = +496
... and hit for 229 points of damage!
Massive blow removes the snow witch's right forearm at the elbow!
You sense a surge of essence being dragged from the witch, only to dissipate as your multicolored soulstone overflows with power.
The snow witch falls to the ground motionless.
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.

Stop trying to show off your AS, geez.

[Roiken]

or here's a crazy idea... dont put magic immune critters into the hunting grounds.. we all have known which ones were for 2 decades, no need to toss them in randomly.. I've had to ask twice for someone that swings a weapon to come make that shit go away..

[Gelston]

or here's a crazy idea... dont put magic immune critters into the hunting grounds.. we all have known which ones were for 2 decades, no need to toss them in randomly.. I've had to ask twice for someone that swings a weapon to come make that shit go away..

OR make everything magical immune and force everyone to be squares.

[adred]

You trace a series of glowing runes while chanting the phrase for Core Tap...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture.
Tapping into the elemental core of Elanthia, you seize part of its energy. Swirling ribbons of fiery red, deep blue, earthen brown, and airy white energy rise up from the floor and surround you. They linger for a brief moment, then explode into a shower of sparks!
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
You gesture at a thickset orc champion.
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a thickset orc champion!
AS: +640 vs DS: +260 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +91 = +493
... and hit for 230 points of damage!
Left arm is torn from shoulder!
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
You gesture at a thickset orc champion.
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a thickset orc champion!
AS: +640 vs DS: +260 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +22 = +424
... and hit for 230 points of damage!
Strike to chest causes a large gaping hole!
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
You gesture at a thickset orc champion.
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a thickset orc champion!
AS: +640 vs DS: +250 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +92 = +504
... and hit for 225 points of damage!
Strong blow to abdomen!
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
You gesture at a thickset orc champion.
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a thickset orc champion!
AS: +640 vs DS: +238 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +1 = +425
... and hit for 186 points of damage!
Strong shot to head messes up brain fatally.
You intone a phrase of elemental power while raising your hands, invoking Hurl Boulder...
You gesture at a thickset orc champion.
You hurl a large fucking magic boulder at a thickset orc champion!
AS: +640 vs DS: +143 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +99 = +618
... and hit for 281 points of damage!
Strong blow to chest!
A thickset orc champion breathes his last gasp and dies.
Cast Roundtime 1 Second.
[sdrape]>touch champion
You do not currently have a target.
Ravenous tendrils of shadow burst forth from your body, streaking toward the orc champion to consume it in a gory feast of toothy shadow maws and barbed tentacles!

[Roiken]

OR make everything magical immune and force everyone to be squares.


Then the squares would be mad that we took all our monies that they have been paying us to ensorcell and enchant their gear and bought it all back. eyyeee heyyyye eeyeee

[Roiken]

ps 640 is kinda sexy.. i think mine only goes up to like 520

[Gelston]

Then the squares would be mad that we took all our monies that they have been paying us to ensorcell and enchant their gear and bought it all back. eyyeee heyyyye eeyeee

no, those abilities will all be transferred to a new warrior guild skill

[BHawk]

Moot point if you are a monk. Spell aiming is too expensive to train in.

[Gelston]

Moot point if you are a monk. Spell aiming is too expensive to train in.

SK 1206 though

[Fallen]

I always thought they should do the same with blessing and undead. Instead of making them immune to physical attacks, they should instead gain massive amounts of crit/damage padding against unblessed physical attacks. Outright immunity doesn't make sense unless they're incorporeal.

[rolfard]

Critter is magic immune? The ground isn't. I use magic to blow up the earth under you, you fall and take damage!

[Maerit]

No one has explained why dropping a ton of daggers in a room, then imploding causing the daggers to become projectiles is a magical effect. You're doing exactly what 1206 does. Hurling objects at everything in the room with a spell (720).

[Stumplicker]

No one has explained why dropping a ton of daggers in a room, then imploding causing the daggers to become projectiles is a magical effect. You're doing exactly what 1206 does. Hurling objects at everything in the room with a spell (720).

It can't be explained. It's magic.