a bunch of off the rack fusion stuff

[sfmatthias0]

A giant bundled sale of fusion gear. not individual, your bid buys it all cb 2 mil gemstonefella sold.

a wolf-marked vultite greatshield
a set of buffed coppery mithril platemail
a set of brushed mithril platemail
some mottled black double leathers
a crimson vultite greatshield etched with a centaur
a suit of steel-studded leathers
a suit of dark steel augmented chainmail
some coal black mithril-studded scalemail
some deep green double leathers
some ora-edged black full leather
some ora-edged black full leather

a silver-hilted vultite short sword
a leather-bound bleached orase crook
a steel-spiked blued ora yierka-spur
a Saramar-runed silver mithglin skull-crusher
a folded silvery mithril no-dachi
an ecru and ochre vultite fist-scythe
a haon-hafted vultite waraxe (marked)
a massive black glaes tetsubo
a twisted crimson orase runestaff (marked)
an oak-shafted golden vultite warlance
a mottled black invar claidhmore
a steel-spiked blued ora yierka-spur
a laje-inlaid grey mithglin breastplate
a polished mithril-bladed troll-claw (marked)
a polished mithril-bladed troll-claw (marked)

[SofaKingWeedOddDead]

So every item has a MB of 1 mil?

[sfmatthias0]

no, the entire lot is 1 mil

[gemstonefella]

MB

[audioserf]

It didn't die, Simu killed it.

[Maerit]

I want to know why they haven't re-released the fusion shaman to make new-style orbs. We have enough orb fodder, and if your orbs are "disposable", then why not? Just cut the cost in half or more to make the orbs, and people will use fusion gear again...

[sfmatthias0]

updated

[Macillus]

I want to know why they haven't re-released the fusion shaman to make new-style orbs. We have enough orb fodder, and if your orbs are "disposable", then why not? Just cut the cost in half or more to make the orbs, and people will use fusion gear again...

Per GM Coase:


The reason why we needed to change how extractions worked is because it was becoming clear that players were increasingly seeing "vanilla" enhancive items as mere delivery vehicles for orbs rather than being actual items in their own right. Things like worn location, crumbly status, maximum charges, alternative item functions, weight, and so on are all properties of items that we try to vary to create items that provide interesting choices and character building "puzzles" and options. The ability to relatively trivially negate all those other properties to extract one property at its full value was a serious design flaw in fusion that needed to be fixed.

Duskruin put a lot of enhancive items out (and so does the treasure system), but the reason they can do so is because you often need to stretch a bit (or a lot) to actually use the items in their intended form. That is an intended part of the entire inventory system. If, instead, all those items' enhancive propertiers are just harvest-able to place in a single optimized item, then that is quite a big unintended bypass of most of the inventory system. Fusion extactions, as previously handled, were not sustainable going foward, unfortunately.

Sounds like they're afraid we'll just orb all the 'great' enhancives we get at DR and miss out on the super fun character building 'puzzles'. I just love spending hours sorting/singing to locker after locker full of stuff I can't use/sell. And I can't wait till I have the opportunity to orb that stuff... and then watch my orbs degrade over time! It's like... the breakage we were promised so long ago, but never got the pure joy of truly having... but BETTER because we get to PAY to have our orbs repaired! <3 <3 <3

Since I'm ranting on your auction thread, I also bid 1.5m on the lot.

[sfmatthias0]

the thing is, dont they start degrading once you put em in an item? so the thing to do would be to get your badass orbs made, wait till you have an optimal killer combo, then toss em in the armor and de-fusion the armor. its way more permanent but allows the sort of bonuses afforded by T3 orbs

[audioserf]

They also don't offer defusion all that often anymore either.

Fusion orbs (T3) don't start degrading when you install them. They have a chance to go to a lower tier when you -remove- them from a socket. And that's the issue. Fusion is in kind of a fucked up purgatory. They released Fusion and it was good. People had uses for the trash tier items with cool enhancives on them. People really liked fusion. Time goes by, they decide it's OP, and nerf it. The way they nerfed it, they created a barrier to entry wherein people who already have T3 orbs are sitting pretty and can either use them or charge a fortune for the orbs. Anyone who didn't have fusion stuff already is hosed. They don't run the Shaman anymore and you couldn't get T3 orbs anyway.

Ahh, simu.

[sfmatthias0]

i know wrt my degradation comment i was referring to T2 orbs, but I agree withe everything you've written. If they had the shaman straight up halve the orbs value people would have been less mad. no one wants to keep track of their orbs condition and constantly moving enhancive values. That's just a transient pain in the ass.

[gemstonefella]

Wrong guy with the 1.5 million bid, but I'll bump it to 2 million.

[sfmatthias0]

oops, noted

[Ososis]

i know wrt my degradation comment i was referring to T2 orbs, but I agree withe everything you've written. If they had the shaman straight up halve the orbs value people would have been less mad. no one wants to keep track of their orbs condition and constantly moving enhancive values. That's just a transient pain in the ass.

T2's degrade PERIOD. Socketed or not, Logged in or not, it's fucking garbage to create a recharge market. Honestly they should have just killed the fusion shaman instead of rolling out this utter garbage New-Style bullshit. I'm not mad! You're mad!

[sfmatthias0]

yeah, in that case it's a total garbage mechanic. A shame because I really like the mechanic. I feel like enhancives and fusion in general are an awesome thing to work on for postcap. That said, there's just too much random nerfing and RNG. I have a lot of ideas but I doubt they're reading this

[Ososis]

I bought a +14 CMAN orb that turned out to be T2...By the time I socketed it, it was only +7. Now, theoretically I can pay to recharge it at EG then pay to de-fusion at the next event. I think my math was that best case scenario it would be +12 when I could get it defusioned. Just a huge hassle.

Also, their whole line about the changes being due to balance falls apart when they then nerfed the balls off the existing T3's. Total push for upkeep costs.


Edit to add: Or to get the big spenders to orb, defusion, orb again, defusion again etc to create the boss orbs

[Roiken]

going off the quote from the gm about it ... I want to know what kinda puzzle they are trying to solve with a +2 thrown weapons combined with a +2 mental lore.... just an example wtf am I going to do with some of these combos.. it just feels like you are pulling straws when you say these were made on purpose for us to be creative.

[zephyrii]

don't forget the insane nerf to fusion enchanting, that was a huge nail in the coffin because it affects all old items as well.

my 4x 3 slot fusion armor went from easy peasy for a capped wizard to "nearly impossible". this was for a 4-5x enchant too.

they should've just retired the system than leave it the pathetic shell it is

[Ososis]

don't forget the insane nerf to fusion enchanting, that was a huge nail in the coffin because it affects all old items as well.

my 4x 3 slot fusion armor went from easy peasy for a capped wizard to "nearly impossible". this was for a 4-5x enchant too.

they should've just retired the system than leave it the pathetic shell it is


Clearly you don't understand the gift they gave us. Cause ya see, there is no longer an added difficulty if an item has orbs socketed. Pretty fucking sweet! The totally sensical trade off of course being that the difficulty of the base item becomes impossible. But again, it doesn't get MORE impossible if you put orbs in it. You're all welcome.

[sfmatthias0]

updated, going twice

[Schoolin']

Hm, I just finished my first major project to 6X a set of fusion full leathers without orbs. No problems and I'm trained for hunting not enchanting. I'd bid, but the friggin' orbs are getting hard to find.

[sfmatthias0]

last call, sold tomorrow unless someone bids