Not likely to sell it, but I'l hear what people will offer for a DB ring

[Nordred]

Soooooo, the ring has been sold. You may all go about your business now.

[Nordred]

You would find that a lot of people will and do still want DB items badly.

[Gelston]

You would find that a lot of people will and do still want DB items badly.

Don't mind him, he is a moronic troll.

[Wrathbringer]

Don't mind him, he is a moronic troll.

This is correct.

[sfmatthias0]

I picked up an enhancive neckworn +5 DB item at duskruin for 100k bs and it didnt seem people were particularly thirsty for it since there was a solid bit of time where a room of big spenders just kinda stared at it. Just so youve got some data

[rolfard]

DB's are probably at 40m per x so this could likely fetch 200m as a MB.

[Nordred]

I picked up an enhancive neckworn +5 DB item at duskruin for 100k bs and it didnt seem people were particularly thirsty for it since there was a solid bit of time where a room of big spenders just kinda stared at it. Just so youve got some data

I appreciate the information, but as I said in the title I'm not really looking to sell unless I get a fun offer.

[Nordred]

DB's are probably at 40m per x so this could likely fetch 200m as a MB.

When I got my second 5x one... which was a decade ago just about, it was 40m per enchant then.

[Ardwen]

last 10x cloak I recall sold for something insane like a grand an enchant, ring isn't as good a slot really but 40 seems very low

[sfmatthias0]

yeah 40 seems way low, id say its worth 3k to 4k dollars depending on how thirsty someone is

[SonoftheNorth]

Warclaidh is pretty thirsty

[Roblar]

Duskruin sells 100,000 bloodscrip +5 enchant certs, many buy them.

At a minimum, that is $300 (premium account buying $100 blocks of simucoins for 40,500 coins or 405 runs & then grinding 400 perfect arena runs for 100k).

$300 is about 60M. An armor/weapon/shield enchant is less rare than a DB item but the above is a rough approximation of the value, to some, of a single enchant. There are cheaper ways to go about it for most items but not really relevant to the niche that would want to buy DB nor is the mechanical need of a single enchant.


TLDR: Duskruin, premium point block sales, and DB sales history support 40-60M per DB pricing

[Wrathbringer]

Duskruin sells 100,000 bloodscrip +5 enchant certs, many buy them.

At a minimum, that is $300 (premium account buying $100 blocks of simucoins for 40,500 coins or 405 runs & then grinding 400 perfect arena runs for 100k).

$300 is about 60M. An armor/weapon/shield enchant is less rare than a DB item but the above is a rough approximation of the value, to some, of a single enchant. There are cheaper ways to go about it for most items but not really relevant to the niche that would want to buy DB nor is the mechanical need of a single enchant.


TLDR: Duskruin, premium point block sales, and DB sales history support 40-60M per DB pricing

This has zero bearing on the price of db items.

[Wrathbringer]

Warclaidh is pretty thirsty

This is correct.

[Roblar]

This has zero bearing on the price of db items.

No, not exactly but figured close enough to what players have valued those little +5’s. I didn’t even get to the price of silvers halving since the last time I sold 1x DBs (both times for 40m).

[Fortybox]

Duskruin sells 100,000 bloodscrip +5 enchant certs, many buy them.

At a minimum, that is $300 (premium account buying $100 blocks of simucoins for 40,500 coins or 405 runs & then grinding 400 perfect arena runs for 100k).

$300 is about 60M. An armor/weapon/shield enchant is less rare than a DB item but the above is a rough approximation of the value, to some, of a single enchant. There are cheaper ways to go about it for most items but not really relevant to the niche that would want to buy DB nor is the mechanical need of a single enchant.


TLDR: Duskruin, premium point block sales, and DB sales history support 40-60M per DB pricing

Nah - DB's are worth much more. Can't base it off of a more common +5 enchant.

GM's don't do them anymore, they're rare and they provide additional mechanical benefit outside of anything else you can do. That carries a premium.

Although Macguyver is a stupid troll, he does have a point though. The +DS isn't really needed in today's game and the item is more of a collectible than anything else.

[Roblar]

I agree, to every point.

[audioserf]

You don't buy a DB item because you desperately need that +25 DS. You buy it because you can and you want it. You're the guy with three houses buying a house in Aruba because hotels are gauche. Genuine "Need" doesn't enter the discussion for this piece.

[rolfard]

Thing is NOT worth 40 mil an enchant. Remember we got enhancives now that can jack up our DS along with other aspects of our defense. People are too ingrained with 1997, this is 2019, and an extra +25 DS is not going to save anyone.

Noone dies anymore because they lacked an extra +25 DS.

Out of 28 deaths across three characters in the past 5 years of logs, here are a few examples where 25 DS would have made a difference. 2 other examples of AS resolution I did not include as I probably still would have died but maybe the crit would have been lowered. ~20 deaths were implosion, major e-wave and spikethorn.

A spectral triton defender thrusts with a lackluster blue steel harpoon at you!
AS: +424 vs DS: +410 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +83 = +128
... and hits for 19 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the back.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

A triton radical thrusts with a corroded bronze scaling fork at you!
AS: +430 vs DS: +393 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +99 = +155
... and hits for 33 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the right arm.

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you..

Crime swings a dark sigil-etched blade at you!
AS: +661 vs DS: +595 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +25 = +127
... and hits for 59 points of damage!
Gruesome, slashing blow to the side of your head!
Skull split open! Brain (and life) vanishes in a fine mist.


It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

[Astray]

You can be butchered pretty easily by something just for lacking +25 DS. If you're using 4x across the board though, you shouldn't really have any major problems with DS. Maybe hunting up? The only thing I've ever gotten fucked by is RT stacking or insta-gibs (void, spikes, falls, stupid shit like that) on squishier characters.

[Solkern]

If I remember GS correctly, every little bit extra DS or whatever can help a lot. DB items are exceptional cause you get added stats from outside the normal sources, which makes them invaluable

[Nordred]

Let’s just end the discussion of what it should cost by saying it is what some one will pay for it. We can say this other option is a better choice or whatever, but bottom line is the ring’s benefits will work with any of those options.

Actually do go on, I would prefer anyone considering buying it hear many different angles about if or if they shouldn’t. It is quite an investment but over the years they have only gone up in value...... I would not want anyone to do it uninformed or lightly.

[Astray]

Then get damage padding which is infintely cheaper.

Damage padding doesn't mean you can't be crit killed and inevitably the broken limbs and penalties associated with them are what ultimately do you in at later levels.

In truth though, if you feel like dropping $3k on a ring, you probably have enough gear already that you should be untouchable to everything but invasions or cheap nonsense. If not? Don't buy the ring. It's that simple.

[rolfard]

No item in my inventory is as wise an investment as a DB. The values ( monetarily and mechanically ) have never dropped

[Rafinzus]

Let’s just end the discussion of what it should cost by saying it is what some one will pay for it. We can say this other option is a better choice or whatever, but bottom line is the ring’s benefits will work with any of those options.

Actually do go on, I would prefer anyone considering buying it hear many different angles about if or if they shouldn’t. It is quite an investment but over the years they have only gone up in value...... I would not want anyone to do it uninformed or lightly.

I will start off the price discovery with a $3,000 offer. And please let me know before you sell it on BO.

[Solkern]

I will start off the price discovery with a $3,000 offer. And please let me know before you sell it on BO.


Now that's how you fucking place a bid!

[Astray]

No item in my inventory is as wise an investment as a DB. The values ( monetarily and mechanically ) have never dropped

You have a point but as it stands a lot of items are simply out and about. Simu wants to imply that balance is intrinsic but rarely offer anything in the way of incentives. To the casual player base. Which makes up a lot of the player base to video games these days.

The appeal in gear rests with the player and their motives. Buy what you want, sell it at whatever. You're likely to see more of the same gear later on, just with a different look.

[audioserf]

Now that's how you fucking place a bid!

Right? Boss shit.

[Astray]

See, if someone wants it, they'll grab it.

[rolfard]

lol, hey bud I feel bad for you and your evaporated $3,000, truly I do.

That's the thing. It's not evaporated. I can turn around and resell any DB i've bought for more than I paid when i bought them ( and have already turned down offers ). That's precisely what I was saying in case it was not clear.

[Kupak]

I will start off the price discovery with a $3,000 offer. And please let me know before you sell it on BO.

How many DBs do you need to buy dude before the rest of us will get a shot?

[Solkern]

This was in 2014, before Wyrom and Dusk and itemization increases and the whole make-your-own uber gear era. Note they were a cloak and gloves, much more desirable slots than a ring.

Some food for thought.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?89109-5x-and-2x-DB-items


Those are MBs, and not the price they were sold at. Try again.

[Kupak]

Recent 10x DBs have all sold in the 8-10k range, thanks to a couple of people who hoard them. If you go back a few years, they went for 2.5-4k, based on what I've seen digging through forum history. Sadly, those times are long gone.

[beldar17]

insta gibs or fuck you attrition lol. so true.

[Kupak]

And I’m arguing that with the changes from old days including enhancements(which take up inventory slots btw)/Dusk/Build-a-Gear features introduced by Wyrom & Stillfront DB is absolutely pointless and overrated.

Don’t be shocked if and when Wyrom get’s on board with create your own DBs (like it has happened with Weighting/Padding, Voln gear, Blink and every uber shit you can add to a piece of gear). You still think this DB shit will hold it’s value when you can make one on demand?

I'm merely stating historical pricing, when I still researched it. If they release build-a-DBear type of mechanic, I'm all for it. I have 0 DB right now. But given the thick skin warriors have it's not high on my priority list anyway. And I do think Simu is headed in that direction... though if weighless certificates are anything to go by, I doubt simu DB offerings will be that much cheaper than the current market rates.

[Nordred]

I will start off the price discovery with a $3,000 offer. And please let me know before you sell it on BO.

I will make note and be in touch.

[Gelston]

Those are MBs, and not the price they were sold at. Try again.

He also quotes his own, banned, account there about 10x DBs.

[Fortybox]

I wish Simu would just offer more options to do this.

I'd pay Simu for a build-your-own DB.

[Kupak]

We can all petition them next time they do a round of "what do you wanna see in GS" suggestions.

[Fortybox]

We can all petition them next time they do a round of "what do you wanna see in GS" suggestions.

Simu does not listen to its consumers.

It will happen when one day Wyrom comes up with the idea (you know, all by himself).

[Methais]

Not to burst your sale here but I don’t think DB items are really worth the money anymore.

They are worth something for sure but with how DS and AS and pretty much every number has been skyrocketing these past years with Dusk, gear changes, HESS, smithy, scheduled merchants, spell changes, heck even Dreavenings the question becomes do I really need more DS?

Anywho good luck on the sale.

DB items still sell for a ton whether you think they’re worth the price or not. I don’t think they are either, but the market disagrees.

On an unrelated note, super bubble flares are massively underrated. Especially when paired with high crit padding.

[Crime]

As a brig wearing rogue I'd love a DB item to shift into TWC more effectively, but I find little value in TWC overall. IMO Shield > TWC in the majority of situations. That said, sure would be nice to have a DB item for TWC!

[peam]

y'all wild

[Nordred]

As a brig wearing rogue I'd love a DB item to shift into TWC more effectively, but I find little value in TWC overall. IMO Shield > TWC in the majority of situations. That said, sure would be nice to have a DB item for TWC!

TWC, Whirling Dervish stance, and good number of multi-ops ranks > everything else.

[Neveragain]

We can all petition them next time they do a round of "what do you wanna see in GS" suggestions.

https://wwwcache.wralsportsfan.com/asset/voices/2017/11/22/17134461/point_and_laugh-DMID1-5cv4ih16c-480x256.gif

[Crime]

TWC, Whirling Dervish stance, and good number of multi-ops ranks > everything else.

I disagree. It is absolutly a fun build, but I woult not sacrifice my shield skill for TWC, rather add TWC as an option. The only place I see TWC as a clear advantage in gameplay is non-corporeal fighting, and this is a very limited segment of hunting areas at cap: REIM, Nelemar (2 critters), & the Rift (1 critter)

[audioserf]

On the otherhand, an OB item would be awesome. Can’t ever have too much AS!

That's called zelnorn :)

[rolfard]

No. They did release OB items

[audioserf]

Noted. Thanks. They must be (comparatively) rarer than DB though? I hadn't even heard of OB.

[Methais]

Vultite is +20 OB

It should also be pronounced "vul-titty" from now on.

[rolfard]

Noted. Thanks. They must be (comparatively) rarer than DB though? I hadn't even heard of OB.

They released one 1x I remember in the last 3 years, it may be called AB or OB, not sure

https://gswiki.play.net/Offensive_bonus

[MrMortimur]

Last years ccf had 5 winners for +5 ob

[Kupak]

Do zelnorn and OB certs use the same stat? I imagine zelnorn is just 5x OB and you can only put 5 more ob certs on it.

[neimanz1]

they both take same the flare/td slot i think

[rolfard]

I think the are separate. OB was offered premade on a jewelry item

[neimanz1]

i was referring to the OB that got added to armor

[Kupak]

they both take same the flare/td slot i think

So no TD can be put on zelnorn then?

[Gelston]

So no TD can be put on zelnorn then?

https://gswiki.play.net/Item_properties

According to that, no.

[Nordred]

I disagree. It is absolutly a fun build, but I woult not sacrifice my shield skill for TWC, rather add TWC as an option. The only place I see TWC as a clear advantage in gameplay is non-corporeal fighting, and this is a very limited segment of hunting areas at cap: REIM, Nelemar (2 critters), & the Rift (1 critter)

Nope, everything. I was very clear.

[Crime]

And I am also very clear, I disagree. A shield is the better overall defense option, you can't argue against it. DS, Resists, TD, Flares, Shield Manuvers, etc. I also want TWC mostly for bandits, non-corporeal, group hunting. A DB item is the perfect TWC add on :) if I had $$$ I wanted to spend at the moment I would consider talks.

[Aaramon]

I had a 10x pin worn item back in the early 2000's sold to me by the infamous bubbauno flavor of Tsin and stolen back by the same and resold. It was glorious.

[adred]

TWC is better for everything

[Crime]

TWC is better for everything

You are a dingbat troll!

[Nordred]

You are a dingbat troll!

But you don't argue he's wrong. I caught that.

[Crime]

What!

[petroglyph]

As a price point comparison, I sold a 2x DB cloak for $1,000 about nine months ago (also to Rafinzus). That was a flat price sale, and it sold an hour after I posted it.

[Methais]

I had a 10x pin worn item back in the early 2000's sold to me by the infamous bubbauno flavor of Tsin and stolen back by the same and resold. It was glorious.

I require details on the stolen back part.

[Amerek]

I had a 10x pin worn item back in the early 2000's sold to me by the infamous bubbauno flavor of Tsin and stolen back by the same and resold. It was glorious.

Gemstone Rule #1: Never give Tsin your password :P

[Nordred]

Added an update about one thing I'd want in a trade, other things would be welcome to but that specific one I would definately trade the ring in a deal.

[Crime]

I'll offer three fiddy and a pony.

[gemstonefella]

Dude this is actual advice coming from the heart. Just sell it for the 3k offered by Rafinzus, you won’t get a better offer. Raf is either a lottery winner or mortgaging his house to be the King of Gemstone (for some stupid reason).

Or he just has a large disposable income. People buy weird stuff all the time. Baseball cards, beer, cars, steins, blah blah blah. Who is who to talk shit about that? More power to him. You are coming across as petty and more than slightly jealous if you ask me. This coming from a guy who has no idea who is who or what. LOL.

Hell, I could spend 3k on that if I want, but I'd rather travel. To each his own.

[Nordred]

Dude this is actual advice coming from the heart. Just sell it for the 3k offered by Rafinzus, you won’t get a better offer. Raf is either a lottery winner or mortgaging his house to be the King of Gemstone (for some stupid reason).

I don’t want to say look at the post title, but you should get the picture. That is not an attempt to be rude or offensive, I just want to point out I am seeing what I could get offered and if by long shot chance get lucky in drawing out something I would like then this can move to a more serious note. Aside, he has made a good offer and one I am seriously considering taking. But it is not the only. If I was looking to move it without question he would own it now.

[Methais]

I don’t want to say look at the post title, but you should get the picture. That is not an attempt to be rude or offensive, I just want to point out I am seeing what I could get offered and if by long shot chance get lucky in drawing out something I would like then this can move to a more serious note. Aside, he has made a good offer and one I am seriously considering taking. But it is not the only. If I was looking to move it without question he would own it now.

Praetor is a huge tard don't waste your time with his stupidity unless you find it entertaining.

[Nordred]

I thought he meant an on the level and reasonable statement, so I was trying to explain my reasoning.

[Methais]

I thought he meant an on the level and reasonable statement, so I was trying to explain my reasoning.

Praetor is incompatible with reason.

[Gelston]

I thought he meant an on the level and reasonable statement, so I was trying to explain my reasoning.

Praetor is garbage. Leave him in the dumpster.

[Crime]

I offered three fiddy and a pony. I meant a real pony!

[Methais]

I offered three fiddy and a pony. I meant a real pony!

https://media.giphy.com/media/ac7MA7r5IMYda/giphy.gif

[Nordred]

I offered three fiddy and a pony. I meant a real pony!


Damnit, so Crime has been he Lochness monster all along..

[Nordred]

Ring is sold!

[Solkern]

Ring is sold!

Nice! I hope you sold to that person who bid 3k earlier or at least contacted them before you sold it!

[Nordred]

He has it.... and other cool stuff.