Trump Says San Francisco Streets Are Disgusting

[ClydeR]

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Problems with human waste left by San Francisco’s large homeless population have prompted a number of news stories in recent months, including creation of a “poop patrol” of public works employees to clean up waste, The Sacramento Bee reported.

Some wondered what Pelosi, who is from San Francisco, had to do with the city’s public works department.

More... (https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article224834175.html)


Unlike other politicians who have crossed him, Pelosi has not yet earned a nickname from Trump. Many people are wondering why.

Any of you ever been to San Francisco? Are the streets really covered in feces?

[Taernath]

Unlike other politicians who have crossed him, Pelosi has not yet earned a nickname from Trump. Many people are wondering why.

Pilosus means hairy in Latin.

[Fortybox]

They are disgusting.

[Stumplicker]

This is 100% true. There’s piles of shit on the street corner and dirty needles everywhere. I found 2 syringes one on a seat on a BART bus and another next to a pile of trash in the middle of a sidewalk. I thought they were exagerrating the level of shit there but I think it’s the exact opposite.

On the flip side, right across from tarp city, are brand new glass and steel buildings offices of Google and PriceWaterHouse that scene was surreal. It changed my mind about total capitalism being the end all about economic development. I think a salting of socialism is required to set the taste for our society.

If you ride a city bus and you only find two needles you're on a bus with above average cleanliness (in any city).

[Stumplicker]

You’ve obviously never been to Kyoto or Oslo I could literally eat off their streets and wouldn’t feel too badly about it.

Montreal, too, though it's more their subway that's super clean and nice than bus service. But in America, city buses be dirty. As an aside, I'm sure Montreal does have a bus service, but their subway is amazing. It's always snowy and cold there, so they burrow into the ground like mole people. The subway is pretty much fully heated, all 32 kilometers* (updated from the google) of it or somesuch, and it serves as the entire city's shopping district. You can walk underneath Montreal in the dead of winter without a coat, from one end of the city to the other, and shop along the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_City,_Montreal

[Methais]

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Unlike other politicians who have crossed him, Pelosi has not yet earned a nickname from Trump. Many people are wondering why.

Any of you ever been to San Francisco? Are the streets really covered in feces?

Shartcy Pooposi

[Wrathbringer]

Shartcy Pooposi

This is correct. Or maybe Nasty Fullloadsee?

[Astray]

To be fair, lots of big cities in the US are fucking disgusting. It's not a Democrat or Republican thing, it's lazy gross fucks on both sides.

[Archigeek]

If you ride a city bus and you only find two needles you're on a bus with above average cleanliness (in any city).

I've been riding city buses for decades and haven't found a single syringe.

[Gelston]

I've never found a syringe in the city buses in my city either. This place is well above the national average in all crime statistics.

[Astray]

Never found a syringe. Have found shell casings and dirty diapers though.

[time4fun]

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Unlike other politicians who have crossed him, Pelosi has not yet earned a nickname from Trump. Many people are wondering why.

Any of you ever been to San Francisco? Are the streets really covered in feces?

Yes they are.

And dear god, this man is a fucking child. How anyone could possibly think this is appropriate for a US President is beyond me.

[time4fun]

To be fair, lots of big cities in the US are fucking disgusting. It's not a Democrat or Republican thing, it's lazy gross fucks on both sides.

SF is particularly bad. The homeless population has skyrocketed. For context, the poverty line in SF is now about $115,000 a year (household).

[Androidpk]

Pilosus means hairy in Latin.

clyder is latrinsorm confirmed

[audioserf]

My wife's cousin was in SF within the last week for business and put several different photos of what looked like adult human sidewalk-turds on her Instagram story. What I'm getting at is SF is fucking gross and Instagram was a mistake.

[Fortybox]

To be fair, lots of big cities in the US are fucking disgusting. It's not a Democrat or Republican thing, it's lazy gross fucks on both sides.

Wrong. San Francisco Democratic leadership is to be blamed for the city woes.

[Methais]

Yes they are.

And dear god, this man is a fucking child. How anyone could possibly think this is appropriate for a US President is beyond me.

I know right? What kind of sick asshole would have a problem with people shitting all over the streets? It must be because it's brown, with Trump being such a racist and all. I bet he's cool with birds shitting everywhere though because white supremacy!


SF is particularly bad. The homeless population has skyrocketed. For context, the poverty line in SF is now about $115,000 a year (household).

If only minimum wage were $15/hr all these problems would be solved!

[Fortybox]

I know right? What kind of sick asshole would have a problem with people shitting all over the streets? It must be because it's brown, with Trump being such a racist and all. I bet he's cool with birds shitting everywhere though because white supremacy!



If only minimum wage were $15/hr all these problems would be solved!

If men would lactate and breastfeed we wouldn't have these problems either.

[Fortybox]

Nah gotta be raised to 20 bucks an hour.

I hate to say it but the problem with San Fran is because of people like time4fun You got these asshats working for a FANG company pulling in monopoly money 300,400,500k+ a year and then some dude working construction (a respectable profession) not even being able to afford a shithole 1 story ranch because some 27 yr old kid straight from grad school needed to sock away exercised stock options , jacking up home prices to quadruple what they should go for.

It’s really really really fucked up here... like beyond bizzaro world fucked up.

No, it's people like you who vote democratic leadership into power. They screw it up.

Idiots like time4fun, if you even believe her, are just the result.

[Parkbandit]

Nah gotta be raised to 20 bucks an hour.

I hate to say it but the problem with San Fran is because of people like time4fun You got these asshats working for a FANG company pulling in monopoly money 300,400,500k+ a year and then some dude working construction (a respectable profession) not even being able to afford a shithole 1 story ranch because some 27 yr old kid straight from grad school needed to sock away exercised stock options , jacking up home prices to quadruple what they should go for.

It’s really really really fucked up here... like beyond bizzaro world fucked up.


If the poverty line in San Francisco is $115,000 a year, then $20/hr won't cover it. The minimum wage needs to be $55/hr.

I'm not sure why that hasn't been made into law yet. People deserve a living wage.

Also: SF has had a homeless issue for decades now.. it's not a new thing.

[Methais]

If the poverty line in San Francisco is $115,000 a year, then $20/hr won't cover it. The minimum wage needs to be $55/hr.

I'm not sure why that hasn't been made into law yet. People deserve a living wage.

Also: SF has had a homeless issue for decades now.. it's not a new thing.

Just make minimum wage $115,000/hr and everything will be fine.

[Gelston]

Just make minimum wage $115,000/hr and everything will be fine.

Think of all the simucoins you could buy

[Fortybox]

Think of all the simucoins you could buy

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[Androidpk]

Nah gotta be raised to 20 bucks an hour.

I hate to say it but the problem with San Fran is because of people like time4fun You got these asshats working for a FANG company pulling in monopoly money 300,400,500k+ a year and then some dude working construction (a respectable profession) not even being able to afford a shithole 1 story ranch because some 27 yr old kid straight from grad school needed to sock away exercised stock options , jacking up home prices to quadruple what they should go for.

It’s really really really fucked up here... like beyond bizzaro world fucked up.

Welcome to capitalism.

[Methais]

Welcome to capitalism.

Quoted for retardedness.

[time4fun]

Nah gotta be raised to 20 bucks an hour.

I hate to say it but the problem with San Fran is because of people like time4fun You got these asshats working for a FANG company pulling in monopoly money 300,400,500k+ a year and then some dude working construction (a respectable profession) not even being able to afford a shithole 1 story ranch because some 27 yr old kid straight from grad school needed to sock away exercised stock options , jacking up home prices to quadruple what they should go for.

It’s really really really fucked up here... like beyond bizzaro world fucked up.

There's plenty of blame to go around, but you're focusing on the wrong part of the equation. The Bay Area is what happens when you generate an enormous amount of wealth, but you don't have fiscal policy in place to redistribute it. This is the end game of conservative economic policy, and it's as dysfunctional as you would imagine.

If it weren't in SF, it would be somewhere else. The real issue is that we've been gutting the top marginal tax rate since the 80s because conservative politicians managed to sell people on the idiotic notion that slashing taxes is great for society. Coupled with the fact that stock buybacks were made legal in the Reagan era, and this is what you're left with. The Bay Area can't enact the kind of fiscal policy necessary to redistribute its immense wealth properly, and people are drowning in inflation as a result. California is trying to do its best, but the reality is that business interests are still trumping (har) the interests of normal people even here. (I'm looking at you Ellis Act)

This is a cautionary tale of conservative economic policy. You either end up bankrupt like Kansas, or you end up with massive poverty rates like SF. If the top marginal tax rates were still in the 70s, and if stock buybacks were still considered corrupt (which they are), SF would look like a very different place.

There's a reason why so many of us keep harping on the subject of taxes and income inequality. It's not "just" about doing the moral thing, it's also about enacting necessary policy.

[Parkbandit]

There's plenty of blame to go around, but you're focusing on the wrong part of the equation. The Bay Area is what happens when you generate an enormous amount of wealth, but you don't have fiscal policy in place to redistribute it. This is the end game of conservative economic policy, and it's as dysfunctional as you would imagine.

If it weren't in SF, it would be somewhere else. The real issue is that we've been gutting the top marginal tax rate since the 80s because conservative politicians managed to sell people on the idiotic notion that slashing taxes is great for society. Coupled with the fact that stock buybacks were made legal in the Reagan era, and this is what you're left with. The Bay Area can't enact the kind of fiscal policy necessary to redistribute its immense wealth properly, and people are drowning in inflation as a result. California is trying to do its best, but the reality is that business interests are still trumping (har) the interests of normal people even here. (I'm looking at you Ellis Act)

This is a cautionary tale of conservative economic policy. You either end up bankrupt like Kansas, or you end up with massive poverty rates like SF. If the top marginal tax rates were still in the 70s, and if stock buybacks were still considered corrupt (which they are), SF would look like a very different place.

There's a reason why so many of us keep harping on the subject of taxes and income inequality. It's not "just" about doing the moral thing, it's also about enacting necessary policy.

"SF has issues.. and it's all the Republican's fault! Remember back in 1964 when we elected that Republican mayor?? HE DID THIS TO US!"

Literally, the stupidity you bring to us on a daily basis is very much appreciated.

Thank you.

[Wrathbringer]

There's plenty of blame to go around, but you're focusing on the wrong part of the equation. The Bay Area is what happens when you generate an enormous amount of wealth, but you don't have fiscal policy in place to redistribute it. This is the end game of conservative economic policy, and it's as dysfunctional as you would imagine.

If it weren't in SF, it would be somewhere else. The real issue is that we've been gutting the top marginal tax rate since the 80s because conservative politicians managed to sell people on the idiotic notion that slashing taxes is great for society. Coupled with the fact that stock buybacks were made legal in the Reagan era, and this is what you're left with. The Bay Area can't enact the kind of fiscal policy necessary to redistribute its immense wealth properly, and people are drowning in inflation as a result. California is trying to do its best, but the reality is that business interests are still trumping (har) the interests of normal people even here. (I'm looking at you Ellis Act)

This is a cautionary tale of conservative economic policy. You either end up bankrupt like Kansas, or you end up with massive poverty rates like SF. If the top marginal tax rates were still in the 70s, and if stock buybacks were still considered corrupt (which they are), SF would look like a very different place.

There's a reason why so many of us keep harping on the subject of taxes and income inequality. It's not "just" about doing the moral thing, it's also about enacting necessary policy.

Wtfrtr;dr.

[Astray]

Wtfrtr;dr.

What the fuck retard, too retarded; damn retards.

Translated from this ancient textbook I picked up at the library.

[Wrathbringer]

Translated from this ancient textbook I picked up at the library.

:lol: close enough

[Tgo01]

There's plenty of blame to go around, but you're focusing on the wrong part of the equation. The Bay Area is what happens when you generate an enormous amount of wealth, but you don't have fiscal policy in place to redistribute it. This is the end game of conservative economic policy, and it's as dysfunctional as you would imagine.

If it weren't in SF, it would be somewhere else. The real issue is that we've been gutting the top marginal tax rate since the 80s because conservative politicians managed to sell people on the idiotic notion that slashing taxes is great for society. Coupled with the fact that stock buybacks were made legal in the Reagan era, and this is what you're left with. The Bay Area can't enact the kind of fiscal policy necessary to redistribute its immense wealth properly, and people are drowning in inflation as a result. California is trying to do its best, but the reality is that business interests are still trumping (har) the interests of normal people even here. (I'm looking at you Ellis Act)

This is a cautionary tale of conservative economic policy. You either end up bankrupt like Kansas, or you end up with massive poverty rates like SF. If the top marginal tax rates were still in the 70s, and if stock buybacks were still considered corrupt (which they are), SF would look like a very different place.

There's a reason why so many of us keep harping on the subject of taxes and income inequality. It's not "just" about doing the moral thing, it's also about enacting necessary policy.

San Fransisco is one of the biggest liberal shit holes in the world. A literal shit hole at that. And you have somehow managed to pin the blame for this on Republicans? The fuck is wrong with you?

[Parkbandit]

San Fransisco is one of the biggest liberal shit holes in the world. A literal shit hole at that. And you have somehow managed to pin the blame for this on Republicans? The fuck is wrong with you?

"B-b-b-but in 1964, there was a Republican mayor.. and they've been trying to clean his mess up ever since!"

[Fortybox]

There's plenty of blame to go around, but you're focusing on the wrong part of the equation. The Bay Area is what happens when you generate an enormous amount of wealth, but you don't have fiscal policy in place to redistribute it. This is the end game of conservative economic policy, and it's as dysfunctional as you would imagine.

If it weren't in SF, it would be somewhere else. The real issue is that we've been gutting the top marginal tax rate since the 80s because conservative politicians managed to sell people on the idiotic notion that slashing taxes is great for society. Coupled with the fact that stock buybacks were made legal in the Reagan era, and this is what you're left with. The Bay Area can't enact the kind of fiscal policy necessary to redistribute its immense wealth properly, and people are drowning in inflation as a result. California is trying to do its best, but the reality is that business interests are still trumping (har) the interests of normal people even here. (I'm looking at you Ellis Act)

This is a cautionary tale of conservative economic policy. You either end up bankrupt like Kansas, or you end up with massive poverty rates like SF. If the top marginal tax rates were still in the 70s, and if stock buybacks were still considered corrupt (which they are), SF would look like a very different place.

There's a reason why so many of us keep harping on the subject of taxes and income inequality. It's not "just" about doing the moral thing, it's also about enacting necessary policy.

Higher taxes don't work. You're a moron and the only reason you advocate this nonsense is for control. Grow government and you get to police people's lives. You're all about fundamental transformation of America because you hate it.

You don't understand anything about economics. Tax cuts generate more tax revenue. JFK, Reagan and now Trump have proven that. The government collected a record $2T in the first half of 2018.

Higher taxes mean fewer governmental services stupid. It also means less quality as now the government has to ration the service.

Stay classy...and dumb time4fun. Thankfully the majority of people in this game and on these forums think you are an idiot. You really are and I hope your stupidity gets cured someday.

[Seizer]

There's plenty of blame to go around, but you're focusing on the wrong part of the equation. The Bay Area is what happens when you generate an enormous amount of wealth, but you don't have fiscal policy in place to redistribute it. This is the end game of conservative economic policy, and it's as dysfunctional as you would imagine.

If it weren't in SF, it would be somewhere else. The real issue is that we've been gutting the top marginal tax rate since the 80s because conservative politicians managed to sell people on the idiotic notion that slashing taxes is great for society. Coupled with the fact that stock buybacks were made legal in the Reagan era, and this is what you're left with. The Bay Area can't enact the kind of fiscal policy necessary to redistribute its immense wealth properly, and people are drowning in inflation as a result. California is trying to do its best, but the reality is that business interests are still trumping (har) the interests of normal people even here. (I'm looking at you Ellis Act)

This is a cautionary tale of conservative economic policy. You either end up bankrupt like Kansas, or you end up with massive poverty rates like SF. If the top marginal tax rates were still in the 70s, and if stock buybacks were still considered corrupt (which they are), SF would look like a very different place.

There's a reason why so many of us keep harping on the subject of taxes and income inequality. It's not "just" about doing the moral thing, it's also about enacting necessary policy.
You really think policies put into place by Diane Feinstein and Willie Brown had no way of shaping what San Francisco is like today? I mean weren’t they both pro development, transforming regular neighborhoods into yuppie bastions, where average workers could no longer afford to live?

Dunning-Kruger had to have studied where you work.

[time4fun]

You really think policies put into place by Diane Feinstein and Willie Brown had no way of shaping what San Francisco is like today? I mean weren’t they both pro development, transforming regular neighborhoods into yuppie bastions, where average workers could no longer afford to live?

Dunning-Kruger had to have studied where you work.

As I said- there is plenty of blame to go around. It's clear that a lot of the urban planning in SF prioritized businesses over affordable housing, but ultimately even that only has so much effect. San Francisco is just a piece of the larger Bay Area- all of which suffers from the same rampant inflation and income inequality despite not being quite as tightly packed as SF. In fact, the same dynamics are in play in several non-California cities where tech has taken over as a dominant industry.

So focusing on mayors of SF (especially as far back as the 70s and 80s) makes your Dunning-Kruger comment quite ironic, to say the least.

[Neveragain]

As I said- there is plenty of blame to go around. It's clear that a lot of the urban planning in SF prioritized businesses over affordable housing, but ultimately even that only has so much effect. San Francisco is just a piece of the larger Bay Area- all of which suffers from the same rampant inflation and income inequality despite not being quite as tightly packed as SF. In fact, the same dynamics are in play in several non-California cities where tech has taken over as a dominant industry.

So focusing on mayors of SF (especially as far back as the 70s and 80s) makes your Dunning-Kruger comment quite ironic, to say the least.

What's it like paying ridiculous amounts of money for home to trample over piles of human shit and hypodermic needles?

What's it like knowing that you're a part of the problem? Surely you have taken some of the peasants into your home?

[Wrathbringer]

As I said- there is plenty of blame to go around. It's clear that a lot of the urban planning in SF prioritized businesses over affordable housing, but ultimately even that only has so much effect. San Francisco is just a piece of the larger Bay Area- all of which suffers from the same rampant inflation and income inequality despite not being quite as tightly packed as SF. In fact, the same dynamics are in play in several non-California cities where tech has taken over as a dominant industry.

So focusing on mayors of SF (especially as far back as the 70s and 80s) makes your Dunning-Kruger comment quite ironic, to say the least.

You're retarded.

[Fortybox]

What's it like paying ridiculous amounts of money for home to trample over piles of human shit and hypodermic needles?

What's it like knowing that you're a part of the problem? Surely you have taken some of the peasants into your home?

I'm sure she is volunteering 70-90% of her income to help fix this problem.

[Tgo01]

I'm sure she is volunteering 70-90% of her income to help fix this problem.

Every time she goes on one of her rants about her not being taxed enough I always ask her how much money she gives to the homeless in her city, because surely it must be at least 20-30% of her income. Strangely enough she has never answered this question.

[Fortybox]

Every time she goes on one of her rants about her not being taxed enough I always ask her how much money she gives to the homeless in her city, because surely it must be at least 20-30% of her income. Strangely enough she has never answered this question.

That's the thing about socialism. The politians who advocate for it strangely are the ones with all the money.

It's about control. She has a major axe to grind.

[sellstuff1]

You don't understand anything about economics. Tax cuts generate more tax revenue.

You do understand that by cutting the amount of money that people pay in taxes, it reduces the amount of taxes that the government receives, right? Did you spend your time in highschool econ fucking your sister or what?

[Parkbandit]

You do understand that by cutting the amount of money that people pay in taxes, it reduces the amount of taxes that the government receives, right? Did you spend your time in highschool econ fucking your sister or what?

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[Parkbandit]

He thinks that cutting taxes will spur the economy and thus increase the pie from which government can tax. This may have been true (although even this is suspect) back in the 1920’s or 30’s but in modern (especially now) this isn’t.

If you cut a rich man’s (or corporations) taxes they will immediately turn around and pile it up/save it thereby destroying any economic stumli that extra money could have generated. This is why the stock market is in perpetual looney tunes bubble mode and why housing (which are completely unlived in and unused) is 4~5 times normal market rates.

So.. explain the way the economy took off when Trump was elected and got the tax cuts passed. Also explain how the unemployment rate was lowered and how tax revenue was at record levels.


There’s been periods of history with this type of extreme income disparity; generally the endgame looks like this:

https://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/executed.jpg

https://m.dw.com/image/46442455_401.jpg

The bottom pic is of France after they voted in socialism, got socialism and realized how shitty socialism is.

[time4fun]

He thinks that cutting taxes will spur the economy and thus increase the pie from which government can tax. This may have been true (although even this is suspect) back in the 1920’s or 30’s but in modern (especially now) this isn’t.

If you cut a rich man’s (or corporations) taxes they will immediately turn around and pile it up/save it thereby destroying any economic stumli that extra money could have generated. This is why the stock market is in perpetual looney tunes bubble mode and why housing (which are completely unlived in and unused) is 4~5 times normal market rates.

There’s been periods of history with this type of extreme income disparity; generally the endgame looks like this:

https://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/executed.jpg

https://m.dw.com/image/46442455_401.jpg

Yup.

[Parkbandit]

Yup.

That's it?

You are fighting to get a title shot... and your best response is a "Yup" to a troll account?

Things you could have done to give you a better chance:

1) Doubled down on his stupidity. Maybe claim that Trump was just lucky to get elected President after Obama and take advantage of the economy he fought hard to get jump started. That it is good DESPITE tax cuts, not because.
2) Let everyone know you have a PhD in feminine economics or at the very least taught a class on macro economic theory. You are the authority here and anyone who questions your credentials is obviously a right wing troll.
3) Offer to take MacGuyver into your home. He's a like minded person who lives in your area. He's obviously down on his luck and since you make more than everyone here, could easily help a fellow socialist out.. as long as he promises not to sit on your couch... that spot is reserved.

[Gelston]

I'm sure she is volunteering 70-90% of her income to help fix this problem.

I remember she was trying to shame me about all the kids not getting healthcare because I'm against universal healthcare and then she tried to say my donating to St Jude wasn't enough... Even though my donations to St Jude are more than I'd have been taxed regardless.

[Methais]

There's plenty of blame to go around, but you're focusing on the wrong part of the equation. The Bay Area is what happens when you generate an enormous amount of wealth, but you don't have fiscal policy in place to redistribute it. This is the end game of conservative economic policy, and it's as dysfunctional as you would imagine.

If it weren't in SF, it would be somewhere else. The real issue is that we've been gutting the top marginal tax rate since the 80s because conservative politicians managed to sell people on the idiotic notion that slashing taxes is great for society. Coupled with the fact that stock buybacks were made legal in the Reagan era, and this is what you're left with. The Bay Area can't enact the kind of fiscal policy necessary to redistribute its immense wealth properly, and people are drowning in inflation as a result. California is trying to do its best, but the reality is that business interests are still trumping (har) the interests of normal people even here. (I'm looking at you Ellis Act)

This is a cautionary tale of conservative economic policy. You either end up bankrupt like Kansas, or you end up with massive poverty rates like SF. If the top marginal tax rates were still in the 70s, and if stock buybacks were still considered corrupt (which they are), SF would look like a very different place.

There's a reason why so many of us keep harping on the subject of taxes and income inequality. It's not "just" about doing the moral thing, it's also about enacting necessary policy.

Why do you spend all your money on GS instead of redistributing it then?

[Methais]

I remember she was trying to shame me about all the kids not getting healthcare because I'm against universal healthcare and then she tried to say my donating to St Jude wasn't enough... Even though my donations to St Jude are more than I'd have been taxed regardless.

It doesn't count if the government didn't take it from you.

[Methais]

Obama nor Clinton nor Trump nor Reagan nor <insert President> have any actual sway in economic matters, this is a scam by plutocrats and the financial elite, “OK plebs you pick the right guy and your economy is gonna sky rocket!”

I suppose the main reasoning here is to placate the masses assuring them that they have (some) control over the system they live in. And frankly if it were true then early November every 4 years would be the absolute most turbulent time in the markets (it’s actually one of the quietest).

Most of what you’re seeing is just fortunate timing coupled with things like monetary policy changes by large financial organs like central banks and nascent industries maturing. Tax policy can give short term stimulus (like a sugar high) but they never last and just end up being absorbed by increasing debt and financial bubbles (i.e. the Trump rally seen shortly after his election victory). None, and I reiterate here none of these things actually support working families or small business owners and rather create artificial distortions in the markets that 9/10 times leads to recessions.

So sure, you get some extra pieces of cheese in the form of tax savings but you don’t realize you’ve walked into a trap. And unless you’re part of the banking cartel or the .5% or so upper income level (who has access to said cartel) you’re going to be losing all that cheese in the back-end when the down turn hits.

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[Neveragain]

He thinks that cutting taxes will spur the economy and thus increase the pie from which government can tax. This may have been true (although even this is suspect) back in the 1920’s or 30’s but in modern (especially now) this isn’t.

If you cut a rich man’s (or corporations) taxes they will immediately turn around and pile it up/save it thereby destroying any economic stumli that extra money could have generated. This is why the stock market is in perpetual looney tunes bubble mode and why housing (which are completely unlived in and unused) is 4~5 times normal market rates.

There’s been periods of history with this type of extreme income disparity; generally the endgame looks like this:

https://alphahistory.com/frenchrevolution/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/executed.jpg

https://m.dw.com/image/46442455_401.jpg

Both of these situations were/are the result of a governing body taxing the common man into starvation while living extravagant lifestyles.

[Gelston]

Heh, the yellow vests thing was directly about the taxation on gas to pay for environmental projects. It wasn't about the rich not being taxed. The yellow vests are from everyone's cars, they are required to have them by French law.

[Neveragain]

You do understand that by cutting the amount of money that people pay in taxes, it reduces the amount of taxes that the government receives, right? Did you spend your time in highschool econ fucking your sister or what?

This is how I read this "You're too stupid to put food on your table, hand your money over to the government so they can put food on the table for you."

[Gelston]

This is how I read this "You're too stupid to put food on your table, hand your money over to the government so they can put food on the table for you."

It is almost like they'd need to cut some programs. Shocking!

[Neveragain]

It is almost like they'd need to cut some programs. Shocking!

When they display ignorance such as this
If you cut a rich man’s (or corporations) taxes they will immediately turn around and pile it up/save it thereby destroying any economic stumli that extra money could have generated. it's no wonder they buy into the church of state.

It's like they either think that rich people are just stuffing their mattress's with cash or that banks don't use that money to fund loans.

I mostly blame this on our horrible public school system.

[Stumplicker]

I think the main takeaway from this thread is that in a city that voted only 9.2% Republican in 2016, and hasn't had a republican win the vote since Eisenhower, in a state that's heavily liberal leaning, Vishra still tries to find a way to pin the problem on Republicans.

Goddamned Republican minorities. They're causing all your problems aren't they? They should just up and deport all those minorities, shouldn't they? That'd solve all your problems.

It's all the fault of those giant megacorporations like google. Full of Republicans, Google is!

Yes. Most of that was said in a sarcastic tone, in case it wasn't blindingly obvious.

[Seizer]

So focusing on mayors of SF (especially as far back as the 70s and 80s) makes your Dunning-Kruger comment quite ironic, to say the least.
I just chose 2 mayors. I didn’t pretend that I know everything about every mayor of San Francisco, or earned three PHDs on the subject of why people are sharting on the streets of San Francisco.

[Gelston]

TLDR of the above;

https://pics.me.me/im-going-to-fight-to-get-tak-breaks-for-amazon-32616438.png

MEanwhile the average democrat is shitting on the streets of San Francisco.

[Methais]

MEanwhile the average democrat is shitting on the streets of San Francisco.

And macguyver is right there like

https://media1.tenor.com/images/db843e8469a5a04c2bfefae883935201/tenor.gif?itemid=4867924

Also, roughly 0 people actually read his walls of text.

[Gelston]

And macguyver is right there like

https://media1.tenor.com/images/db843e8469a5a04c2bfefae883935201/tenor.gif?itemid=4867924

Also, roughly 0 people actually read his walls of text.

I sure as fuck didn't read it.

[Neveragain]

That’s what they’re supposed to do but they were extremely reticent to do so hence why Cent Banks became ever more despeate doing ZIRP and in the case of the BoJ negative interest rates (effectively you’ll lose money if you end up parking it). Has never worked for Japanese banks as they continued to hold bleeding cash and not loan (crazy) and in the case of the U.S. continued to cycle their money never lending it other than to themselves, hard assets like collaterized debt, and other known safe havens. (Definitely not Joe Smoe who wants to open up a brand new small business).

I can't help but notice that you conveniently left out the bailouts while this was all going down. All of this has one common theme, that being, the government stepping in to prevent the negative backlash that must occur for capitalism to function correctly. I really like it when they call it "tools" when it's really just trying to dodge the inevitable downfall caused by greed and bad decision making.

That's the beauty of true capitalism, it rewards good behavior and punishes bad behavior.


Bush: ‘I’ve Abandoned Free Market Principles To Save The Free Market System’

Then the government stole trillions in tax dollars and gave it to the banks and corporations. Poll after poll showed that the American taxpayer was overwhelmingly against the bailouts but government is evil and did it anyway.

[Parkbandit]

Obama nor Clinton nor Trump nor Reagan nor <insert President> have any actual sway in economic matters, this is a scam by plutocrats and the financial elite, “OK plebs you pick the right guy and your economy is gonna sky rocket!”

I suppose the main reasoning here is to placate the masses assuring them that they have (some) control over the system they live in. And frankly if it were true then early November every 4 years would be the absolute most turbulent time in the markets (it’s actually one of the quietest).

Most of what you’re seeing is just fortunate timing coupled with things like monetary policy changes by large financial organs like central banks and nascent industries maturing. Tax policy can give short term stimulus (like a sugar high) but they never last and just end up being absorbed by increasing debt and financial bubbles (i.e. the Trump rally seen shortly after his election victory). None, and I reiterate here none of these things actually support working families or small business owners and rather create artificial distortions in the markets that 9/10 times leads to recessions.

So sure, you get some extra pieces of cheese in the form of tax savings but you don’t realize you’ve walked into a trap. And unless you’re part of the banking cartel or the .5% or so upper income level (who has access to said cartel) you’re going to be losing all that cheese in the back-end when the down turn hits.

See time4fun? This is the type of post you need to make when going for a title shot.

I’d offer one to MacGuyver, but he keeps having to change logins because he keeps getting banned...

[Parkbandit]

This is how I read this "You're too stupid to put food on your table, hand your money over to the government so they can put food on the table for you."

In his defense.. that could possibly be very true.

[Parkbandit]

TLDR of the above;

https://pics.me.me/im-going-to-fight-to-get-tak-breaks-for-amazon-32616438.png

Dude.. remember the time you complained that you couldn’t afford a real house. Those that live in squaller shouldn’t toss stones.

[Fortybox]

And macguyver is right there like

https://media1.tenor.com/images/db843e8469a5a04c2bfefae883935201/tenor.gif?itemid=4867924

Also, roughly 0 people actually read his walls of text.

I honestly don’t.