Shutdown = Pay Raises for Trump Admin. Officials

[ClydeR]

They totally deserve pay increases. Best Presidential administration ever.


The pay raises for Cabinet secretaries, deputy secretaries, top administrators and even Vice President Pence are scheduled to go into effect beginning Jan. 5 without legislation to stop them, according to documents issued by the Office of Personnel Management and experts in federal pay.

The raises appear to be an unintended consequence of the shutdown: When lawmakers failed to pass bills on Dec. 21 to fund multiple federal agencies, they allowed an existing pay freeze to lapse. Congress enacted a law capping pay for top federal executives in 2013 and renewed it each year. The raises will occur because that cap will expire without legislative action by Saturday, allowing raises to kick in that have accumulated over those years but never took effect, starting with paychecks that will be issued next week.

Cabinet secretaries, for example, would be entitled to a jump in annual salary from $199,700 to $210,700. Deputy secretaries would be entitled to a raise from $179,700 to $189,600. Others affected are under secretaries, deputy directors and other top administrators.

The pay of Pence is scheduled to rise from $230,700 to $243,500.

More... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/01/04/while-federal-workers-go-without-pay-senior-trump-administration-officials-are-poised-get-raises)


“For a thing like this to happen, I don’t believe in coincidences,” said Randy Erwin, president of the National Federation of Federal Employees. “It certainly smells fishy, just as the federal workforce is being furloughed.”

The options for Congress include taking no action and allowing the raises to occur, approving the legislation passed by the House Thursday or passing a standalone measure to retain the pay freeze. It was unclear Thursday whether the White House had the authority, if it wanted to, to stop the increases.

“It looks like Trump has protected his own appointees, and everyone else gets screwed,” Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.), whose Northern Virginia district has 77,000 federal workers, said in an interview. He suggested the president fix the problem by immediately issuing an executive order canceling the raises.

[Wrathbringer]

He's gotten way more done than Obummer, so enjoy that. Oh, and Trump is your president.

[Methais]

They totally deserve pay increases. Best Presidential administration ever.

Stop having sex with squirrels.

[Androidpk]

OPM put these raises on ice.

[Parkbandit]

OPM put these raises on ice.

So they are on the same page as President Trump.

Good.

[Methais]

So they are on the same page as President Trump.

Good.

Watch closely now as pk suddenly reverses his position after this revelation. Because orange man bad.

[Neveragain]

They totally deserve pay increases. Best Presidential administration ever.


whose Northern Virginia district has 77,000 federal workers,

77,000 people need to get private sector jobs. I can't think of a better time for them to do it than now, with the record low unemployment numbers.

[Androidpk]

Call outs from TSA employees are up 300%. Not good for airport security.

[Wrathbringer]

Call outs from TSA employees are up 300%. Not good for airport security.

1. You're retarded.
2. It's been proven that TSA is ineffective and just for show anyway.
3. You're retarded.

[Wrathbringer]

77,000 people need to get private sector jobs. I can't think of a better time for them to do it than now, with the record low unemployment numbers.

This is correct.

[Neveragain]

Call outs from TSA employees are up 300%. Not good for airport security.

1. Why is the taxpayer being asked to pay for securing a private industry in the first place?

2. It has 0 impact on my life.

3. It has 0 impact on your life.

4. They can get a job in the private sector.

[Methais]

1. Why is the taxpayer being asked to pay for securing a private industry in the first place?

2. It has 0 impact on my life.

3. It has 0 impact on your life.

4. They can get a job in the private sector.

He doesn't know that answer, he just says what time4fun's TV tells him to say.

[Wrathbringer]

1. Why is the taxpayer being asked to pay for securing a private industry in the first place?

2. It has 0 impact on my life.

3. It has 0 impact on your life.

4. They can get a job in the private sector.


He doesn't know that answer, he just says what time4fun's TV tells him to say.

This is all correct.

[Androidpk]

1. Why is the taxpayer being asked to pay for securing a private industry in the first place?

2. It has 0 impact on my life.

3. It has 0 impact on your life.

4. They can get a job in the private sector.

Because the airline industry isn't just a "private industry". It has a major impact on US national security, hence why the Federal government is so involved in airline security with TSA, Sky Marshals, etc.

[Neveragain]

Because the airline industry isn't just a "private industry". It has a major impact on US national security, hence why the Federal government is so involved in airline security with TSA, Sky Marshals, etc.

It is a private industry, they have managed to leach off the taxpayer for decades.


American Airlines Group. NASDAQ:AAL. $32.65. up. ...
JetBlue Airways. NASDAQ:JBLU. $16.71. up. ...
Copa Holdings. NYSE:CPA. $82.85. no change. ...
United Continental Holdings, Inc. NASDAQ:UAL. $82.55. down. ...
Delta Air Lines. NYSE:DAL. $47.58. ...
Southwest Airlines. NYSE:LUV. $47.81. ...
Allegiant Travel. NASDAQ:ALGT. $108.52. ...
Spirit Airlines. NYSE:SAVE. $57.57.

If it's not a private industry, where are my services I should get in return for my tax dollars?

[Androidpk]

If you don't like get the laws change. For now though there are Federal regulations in place, especially since 2001.

[Methais]

If it's not a private industry, where are my services I should get in return for my tax dollars?

If you play your cards right, you can get felt up for free. That should count for something.


If you don't like get the laws change.

https://media.tenor.com/images/9c84df1ac2b3da717b2c6ac2da6bae66/tenor.gif

I wish PB still had those old Daniel quotes in his sig.

Dammit PB!!!!!11

[Neveragain]

If you don't like get the laws change. For now though there are Federal regulations in place, especially since 2001.

And their not getting paid.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/laughter.gif

[Neveragain]

If you play your cards right, you can get felt up for free. That should count for something.

If they were all hot strippers, I would spend my weekends in line at airport security.

[Back]

Whats incredibly stupid about this shut down over terrorist security is that 0 terrorists have been caught at the border with Mexico and all of the terrorists have been caught at airports where the TSA is now being hamstrung. Way to go, dimwits!

[Wrathbringer]

Whats incredibly stulid about this shut down over terrorist security is that 0 terrorists bave been caught at the border with Mexico and all of the terrorists have been caught at airports where the TSA is now being hamstrung. Way to go, dimwits!

You're retarded.

[Back]

You're retarded.

Sorry you dont like it but its true. You are now less safe because of Trump.

[Wrathbringer]

Sorry you dont like it but its true. You are now less safe because of Trump.

You really believe that? Damn you're stupid. Just saw this on cnn and you parroted it, didn't you?

[Androidpk]

Whats incredibly stupid about this shut down over terrorist security is that 0 terrorists have been caught at the border with Mexico and all of the terrorists have been caught at airports where the TSA is now being hamstrung. Way to go, dimwits!

Just proves they don't actually care about keeping the country safe.

[Wrathbringer]

Just proves they don't actually care about keeping the country safe.

God damn, you're an idiot, too. What the hell do you think the wall is for, you lazy female masterbation hater?

[Neveragain]

Sorry you dont like it but its true. You are now less safe because of Trump.

Provide one case of TSA stopping a terrorist attack.

Here's the latest case of border security doing their job.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vROR147EULo

[Astray]

Sorry you dont like it but its true. You are now less safe because of Trump.

Could you go ahead and give me the figures on illegal immigrants that were deported for violent crimes and then caught attempting to reenter the country?

[Tgo01]

Whats incredibly stupid about this shut down over terrorist security is that 0 terrorists have been caught at the border with Mexico and all of the terrorists have been caught at airports where the TSA is now being hamstrung. Way to go, dimwits!

Who said border security is just about terrorists? Are we just ignoring all of the criminals, drugs, and sex trafficking that happens at our southern border because orange man bad?

[Methais]

Who said border security is just about terrorists? Are we just ignoring all of the criminals, drugs, and sex trafficking that happens at our southern border because orange man bad?

Confirmed Back wants more sex trafficking.


Just proves they don't actually care about keeping the country safe.

This loser here too.

Also:
https://i.imgur.com/2KrfMKE.jpg

[Neveragain]

Just proves they don't actually care about keeping the country safe.

When the airlines become a government entity, then it becomes the taxpayers role in securing it.

Forcing the taxpayer to fund a private industry is fascism.

I love when anti-fascists support fascism.

[Parkbandit]

Sorry you dont like it but its true. You are now less safe because of Trump.

Wait.. this is all Trump's fault?

5 billion dollars is far less than the Democrats offered to Obama for a wall only 10 years ago.

Specifically, what changed in that 10 years that the Democrats believe the border doesn't need a barrier? I mean, if you listen to the experts... a wall is very effective in places it's already up.

[Androidpk]

Yes, supporting airline security is = supporting fascism. Dumbass :lol:

[Wrathbringer]

Wait.. this is all Trump's fault?

5 billion dollars is far less than the Democrats offered to Obama for a wall only 10 years ago.

Specifically, what changed in that 10 years that the Democrats believe the border doesn't need a barrier? I mean, if you listen to the experts... a wall is very effective in places it's already up.

This proves that democraps are playing politics, not wanting Trump to be able to deliver on a campaign promise. it's that simple. The shutdown is Democraps fault 100%.

[Back]

Wait.. this is all Trump's fault?

5 billion dollars is far less than the Democrats offered to Obama for a wall only 10 years ago.

Specifically, what changed in that 10 years that the Democrats believe the border doesn't need a barrier? I mean, if you listen to the experts... a wall is very effective in places it's already up.




https://youtu.be/Hz2B3MUTUqk


After publicly clashing with Democratic leaders, Trump declares he'd be proud to shut down the government for the wall; Sen. Mike Lee reacts.

[Parkbandit]

https://youtu.be/Hz2B3MUTUqk

I'm happy he's standing firm on this.

But you missed this question (or just skipped over it because as usual you don't have an answer that doesn't include "ZOMG HATE TRUMP!"


Specifically, what changed in that 10 years that the Democrats believe the border doesn't need a barrier?

[Methais]

https://youtu.be/Hz2B3MUTUqk

Be less stupid.

[Back]

The real question is why hasn't Trump built the wall already? Its 2019, a full two years after his lame ass low attendance inauguration, with republicans also controlling congress, and we may as well throw SCOTUS in there as well now.

You know why? Because its a STUPID idea. Everyone understands that except you clowns.

[Astray]

The real question is why hasn't Trump built the wall already? Its 2019, a full two years after his lame ass low attendance inauguration, with republicans also controlling congress, and we may as well throw SCOTUS in there as well now.

You know why? Because its a STUPID idea. Everyone understands that except you clowns.

Never have I ever said a wall wasn't a stupid fucking idea. A wall is a deterrent, just like a front door with a lock on it. Just like a security sticker on your window. If you see something meant to keep you out, chances are it will.

[Neveragain]

Yes, supporting airline security is = supporting fascism. Dumbass :lol:

Making the taxpayer pay for private industry is fascism. I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand this.

You're making the same argument as "Fascism made the trains run on time."

[Wrathbringer]

The real question is why hasn't Trump built the wall already? Its 2019, a full two years after his lame ass low attendance inauguration, with republicans also controlling congress, and we may as well throw SCOTUS in there as well now.

You know why? Because its a STUPID idea. Everyone understands that except you clowns.

once again you can't deal with reality and have to but but but but bbbbbut bbbbut but but

[Androidpk]

Never have I ever said a wall wasn't a stupid fucking idea. A wall is a deterrent, just like a front door with a lock on it. Just like a security sticker on your window. If you see something meant to keep you out, chances are it will.

What exactly would a wall deter? People will still travel hear to apply for asylum and the majority of drugs smuggled into the country come via water. A wall just means even more tunnels would be dug under the border.

[Androidpk]

Making the taxpayer pay for private industry is fascism. I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand this.

You're making the same argument as "Fascism made the trains run on time."

By that logic we're already a fascist country if you look at the handouts given to the oil industry, communications industry, agriculture industry, and so on.

[Back]

once again you can't deal with reality and have to but but but but bbbbbut bbbbut but but

Trump and the republicans had 2 years and did not get it done. Forget about it now. The blue tsunami of the midterm means it will never get done.

[Methais]

Back seems more triggered today than he does on his normal days. :lol:

[Astray]

What exactly would a wall deter? People will still travel hear to apply for asylum and the majority of drugs smuggled into the country come via water. A wall just means even more tunnels would be dug under the border.

Stand in front of a wall, fence, or anything blocking you from entering another property. Now, you can go over the wall, you can go under the wall, you can even go through the wall. In doing so, what are you engaging in?

That is why a physical border exists. To let you, a citizen from another country, know that there are ways to seek asylum or help or even migrate. Doing so by going under, over or even through a physical barrier, is the illegal method of entry into the country.

[Wrathbringer]

Trump and the republicans had 2 years and did not get it done. Forget about it now. The blue tsunami of the midterm means it will never get done.

I agree, he waited too long trying to be diplomatic and get democraps to come around on border security. Fact is, he's doing it now and democraps are choosing to score political points with their base over national security. You and your ilk are pathetic.

[Neveragain]

By that logic we're already a fascist country if you look at the handouts given to the oil industry, communications industry, agriculture industry, and so on.

Precisely, so stop using the TSA workers as an argument if you're against fascism.

[Androidpk]

Stand in front of a wall, fence, or anything blocking you from entering another property. Now, you can go over the wall, you can go under the wall, you can even go through the wall. In doing so, what are you engaging in?

That is why a physical border exists. To let you, a citizen from another country, know that there are ways to seek asylum or help or even migrate. Doing so by going under, over or even through a physical barrier, is the illegal method of entry into the country.

So we gotta spend billions just to let people know that illegal border crossings are illegal, even though they already know it's illegal?

[Neveragain]

So we gotta spend billions just to let people know that illegal border crossings are illegal, even though they already know it's illegal?


(Washington, D.C.) - Illegal immigration to the U.S. costs federal, state and local taxpayers a staggering net cost of $116 billion a year

http://www.irli.org/single-post/2017/09/27/New-FAIR-Study-Illegal-Immigration-Costs-116-billion-Annually?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIr6zvy7Pc3wIVCqtpCh0BOgY eEAAYASAAEgK-y_D_BwE

Yes, just like you have to spend money on doors and walls for a home.

[Back]

I agree, he waited too long trying to be diplomatic and get democraps to come around on border security.

Holy shit! Quoted.


Fact is, he's doing it now and democraps are choosing to score political points with their base over national security. You and your ilk are pathetic.

Fact is TRUMP said HE would shut it down and take the blame. Of course we all knew that was a lie like everything else he says including that he would build a wall.

[Astray]

So we gotta spend billions just to let people know that illegal border crossings are illegal, even though they already know it's illegal?

Illegal activity is done in the gaps between our borders. So much so that certain routes are checked by patrols for bodies or signs of. Now, the natural argument is that those people need to 'do their jobs better' but that's pretty weak. Considering most of those guys have hundreds of, often inaccessible in a vehicle, miles of DESERT to check.

This, a wall, allows those people in charge of things like National Security to physically deter would be traffickers of human beings and drugs.

Should we go about building it out of chainlink fence or reinforced concrete and metal?

[Stumplicker]

What exactly would a wall deter? People will still travel hear to apply for asylum and the majority of drugs smuggled into the country come via water. A wall just means even more tunnels would be dug under the border.

You have a very poor understanding of how walls and border security work.


Did the Berlin Wall stop people from crossing? Nope, and that shit was guarded by machine gun nests, mines, dogs, etc. A wall wouldn't do shit to stop illegal immigration.

Between 1945 and 1988, around 4 million East Germans migrated to the West. 3.454 million of them left between 1945 and the construction of the Berlin Wall in 1961. The great majority simply walked across the border or, after 1952, exited through West Berlin. After the border was fortified and the Berlin Wall was constructed, the number of illegal border crossings fell drastically. The numbers fell further as the border defenses were improved over the subsequent decades. In 1961, 8,507 people fled across the border, most of them through West Berlin. The construction of the Berlin Wall that year reduced the number of escapees by 75% to around 2,300 per annum for the rest of the decade. The Wall changed Berlin from being one of the easiest places to cross the border, from the East, to being one of the most difficult.[1] The number of escapees fell further to 868 per annum during the 1970s and to only 334 per annum between 1980 and 1988. However, escapees were never more than a small minority of the total number of emigrants from East Germany. Far more people left the country after being granted official permits, by fleeing through third countries or by being ransomed by the West German government. During the 1980s, only about 1% of those who left East Germany did so by escaping across the border.[2]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_attempts_and_victims_of_the_inner_German_bo rder

Edit to add: and in a rare double whammy shutdown of your stupid, poorly researched arguments - Consider that the more difficult the means, the lower the overall rates. This psychological phenomenon has been researched fairly in depth with suicide rates. When it's easier, more people do it. When the available means are more difficult, not only does that method lower, but rates lower overall. Here's a Harvard study that details it.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/saves-lives/

Just the legitimate threat of it being more difficult to cross the border illegally deters people from trying.

[Neveragain]

Illegal activity is done in the gaps between our borders. So much so that certain routes are checked by patrols for bodies or signs of. Now, the natural argument is that those people need to 'do their jobs better' but that's pretty weak. Considering most of those guys have hundreds of, often inaccessible in a vehicle, miles of DESERT to check.

This, a wall, allows those people in charge of things like National Security to physically deter would be traffickers of human beings and drugs.

Should we go about building it out of chainlink fence or reinforced concrete and metal?

I'm more fond of this idea.

https://s19453.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1800193_1441177216121721_1915891770870519383_n.jpg

[Astray]

I'm more fond of this idea.

Too extreme. Families and kids, man. Families and kids.

[RichardCranium]

Too extreme. Families and kids, man. Families and kids.

He only cares about them when they're in the womb.

[Neveragain]

Too extreme. Families and kids, man. Families and kids.

Would you bring your family to a wall with remote turrets or knock on the front door?

[Neveragain]

He only cares about them when they're in the womb.

That family has a choice to walk among the bullets or use the legal means of entry. The child in the womb (at least we're making progress in that you admit it's a child) is given no choice at all.

[Astray]

Would you bring your family to a wall with remote turrets or knock on the front door?

You do that and all you're gonna see is an increase in violence at your border with an increased cost in maintenance and personnel and some asshole telling you the turrets were a bad idea.

[Neveragain]

You do that and all you're gonna see is an increase in violence at your border with an increased cost in maintenance and personnel and some asshole telling you the turrets were a bad idea.

Better the violence at our borders than in our home towns.

[Tgo01]

It's funny watching Androidpk make the argument that some people will find a way around a wall so why even bother?

That's why car makers stopped putting locks on their vehicles, why even bother when some people will find a way into a car anyways?

That's also why in California they passed a law making it illegal for home builders to build homes with locks, they figure it just unnecessarily increases the price of a new home since people can find a way into a home anyways.

I know no one else on the forum needs me to spell this out but I'm pretty sure Androidpk needs me to spell this out...I'm being sarcastic.

[Back]

It's funny watching Androidpk make the argument that some people will find a way around a wall so why even bother?

That's why car makers stopped putting locks on their vehicles, why even bother when some people will find a way into a car anyways?

That's also why in California they passed a law making it illegal for home builders to build homes with locks, they figure it just unnecessarily increases the price of a new home since people can find a way into a home anyways.

I know no one else on the forum needs me to spell this out but I'm pretty sure Androidpk needs me to spell this out...I'm being sarcastic.

Or tighter regulations on guns because the bad guys will always still get them?

[RichardCranium]

California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. There were 104 *mass shootings in California in 2018.

*Mass shooting as defined by the following website: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

[Tgo01]

Or tighter regulations on guns because the bad guys will always still get them?

I don't think you're making the point you think you're making. Notice in both instances we are talking about criminals breaking the law, yet you're apparently okay with stripping legal gun owners of their constitutional rights while ignoring the fact that criminals will still find a way to get their hands on a gun, but you want to use the same argument that we shouldn't build a wall because criminals will find a way into the US anyways.

Here's something that may shock you; NO ONE wants dangerous criminals to own guns. The problem is your so called "common sense gun control" laws always seem to target law abiding citizens.

Try again but this time remove your head from your ass before responding.

[Stumplicker]

California has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. There were 104 *mass shootings in California in 2018.

*Mass shooting as defined by the following website: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting

The uh...numbers on your link kind of tell the opposite story. I don't necessarily agree with what Back is saying, but your number is wrong according to your own source.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077/map?year=2018

19 in the Los Angeles Area, 16 in the Oakland area, in the single most populous state in the US. 34 in Chicago, with a little over half of LA's population..10 in St. Louis with only 300,000 people. The per capita is far lower in California than in other places in the US. Texas is another one with very strict gun laws and pretty low per capita gun violence.

[RichardCranium]

The uh...numbers on your link kind of tell the opposite story. I don't necessarily agree with what Back is saying, but your number is wrong according to your own source.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077/map?year=2018

19 in the Los Angeles Area, 16 in the Oakland area, in the single most populous state in the US. 34 in Chicago, with a little over half of LA's population..10 in St. Louis with only 300,000 people. The per capita is far lower in California than in other places in the US. Texas is another one with very strict gun laws and pretty low per capita gun violence.

For whatever reason the map wasn't interacting with my phone for some reason. They were all piling up in a bunch of sections of California. Clicking on the link in your post showed the correct numbers.

[Androidpk]

I remember when Obama said seize people's guns, worry about due process afterwards. Oh wait, that was Trump :lol:

[RichardCranium]

I got cussed out by a Libertarian because I supported the bump stock ban.

[Androidpk]

Rocktar was surprisingly quiet when Trump banned bump stocks.

[Wrathbringer]

Rocktar was surprisingly quiet when Trump banned bump stocks.

Wish you'd be surprisingly quiet.

[Parkbandit]

Wish you'd be surprisingly quiet.

Then who would we all laugh at??

[~Rocktar~]

Rocktar was surprisingly quiet when Trump banned bump stocks.

Too busy writing my representatives now stop moving so much timeforanalpoundage is getting anxious.

[Ashlander]

Then who would we all laugh at??

Back is posting semi-regularly again

[Stumplicker]

Rocktar was surprisingly quiet when Trump banned bump stocks.

This may come as a surprise to you, but sometimes even if people feel a certain way, they refrain from making arguments when literally all the evidence is against that argument. Please read the previous sentence twice. It's a skill you could benefit from learning. Still waiting for your argument on how increased border security doesn't decrease illegal immigration though, so maybe wait to learn that lesson til after that.

[Methais]

Or tighter regulations on guns because the bad guys will always still get them?

They wouldn't get them if the guns had walls around them.

https://i.imgflip.com/1fxp48.jpg

[Methais]

I remember when Obama said seize people's guns, worry about due process afterwards. Oh wait, that was Trump :lol:

Remember when he said this too?

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/07/37712919_10160728423445224_287513451620728832_n.jp g

[Methais]

I got cussed out by a Libertarian because I supported the bump stock ban.

The worst thing about libertarianism is libertarian people.

[Neveragain]

Call outs from TSA employees are up 300%. Not good for airport security.

Please sight this source so we can laugh even harder at you.

Call ins are up 1.1% over last year and it's flu season. It's like the shutdown has proven we don't need most of the federal government.

PK right now: https://s3.amazonaws.com/ebaumsworld.prod/uploads1533577305729-source.gif

[Fortybox]

Please sight this source so we can laugh even harder at you.

Call ins are up 1.1% over last year and it's flu season. It's like the shutdown has proven we don't need most of the federal government.

PK right now: https://s3.amazonaws.com/ebaumsworld.prod/uploads1533577305729-source.gif

:lol:

[Tgo01]

It's like the shutdown has proven we don't need most of the federal government.

Some people are making it sound like the end of the world because local businesses near some parks who rely on tourist dollars are chipping in to keep the roads clear of snow, the garbage bins empty, and the bathrooms cleaned. Oh and some groups have volunteered to pick up trash at the National Mall in DC. It's absolute anarchy!

Not sure Democrats, the party of big government, wants people to realize that not much changes when part of the federal government shuts down.

[Neveragain]

Some people are making it sound like the end of the world because local businesses near some parks who rely on tourist dollars are chipping in to keep the roads clear of snow, the garbage bins empty, and the bathrooms cleaned. Oh and some groups have volunteered to pick up trash at the National Mall in DC. It's absolute anarchy!

Not sure Democrats, the party of big government, wants people to realize that not much changes when part of the federal government shuts down.

Wait, you mean business's would do their own snow removal so customers would have access to their store fronts? That's crazy wacky libertarian talk!

[Wrathbringer]

Remember when he said this too?

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2018/07/37712919_10160728423445224_287513451620728832_n.jp g

Qft

[Parkbandit]

Democrats are not disagreeing on that. They are disagreeing on a giant 15ft, 1500 mile steel wall that will cost 100’s of billions to actually complete.

Remember Trump wants 50 Billion which will not complete the wall only build a part of it. An incomplete wall is like making a cup with half a bottom, in a word, useless.

You have a big problem with zeros. Are you hyper-inflating it to make some sort of point.. or are you this miserably informed?

[Methais]

Democrats are not disagreeing on that. They are disagreeing on a giant 15ft, 1500 mile steel wall that will cost 100’s of billions to actually complete.

Remember Trump wants 50 Billion which will not complete the wall only build a part of it. An incomplete wall is like making a cup with half a bottom, in a word, useless.

Explain why 100% of sanctuary cities are run by democrats then.

[Stumplicker]

Explain why 100% of sanctuary cities are run by democrats then.

I have no dog in the fight here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that since most cities vote democratic in the first place, that... probably has something to do with it. There are plenty of rural areas that are fine with ignoring, suppressing, or otherwise hindering immigration laws. They just don't have large governing bodies like cities do to announce it.

Look at a place like New Hampshire. Live Free or Die. Their whole state basically runs on "Do what you want to do, don't get all up in each other's business, and everybody will get along just fine.". Most of those people are probably more offended at the notion of adding a law to their books than they are about whatever the law would be about.

[Tgo01]

I have no dog in the fight here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that since most cities vote democratic in the first place, that... probably has something to do with it.

What the hell are you talking about? Do you mean most major cities? Because you're probably right there. But all cities overall? No.

[Stumplicker]

What the hell are you talking about? Do you mean most major cities? Because you're probably right there. But all cities overall? No.

Yes, I mean most major cities. Like the ones on this list of sanctuary cities.

http://www.apsanlaw.com/law-246.List-of-Sanctuary-cities.html

You don't really see smaller towns declaring sanctuary status so much because they don't have large, overarching governments to do so. They just kind of do things that make sense to them without making big announcements that are nationally recognized. Does Princeton, NJ want immigrants to be safe and allowed? You bet your ass, but the population is only 32,000. It's a well known thing there, in rich hippie central, but on a national scale it's not worthy of note.

[Tgo01]

You don't really see smaller towns declaring sanctuary status so much because they don't have large, overarching governments to do so.

They don't need to be large, overarching governments to declare themselves a sanctuary city. Declaring themselves a sanctuary city just means they are instructing their local police department to not cooperate with ICE unless they have a warrant. I'm sure crazy California will eventually make it so the police can't cooperate even if there is an active warrant for murder.

[sellstuff1]

https://i.redd.it/k45udaixul921.jpg

[Astray]

On the subject of terrorists coming from the Mexico border, this (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/01/08/trump-team-admits-mistakes-while-trying-tie-terrorism-southern-border/2512115002/?fbclid=IwAR2wNNYxuX-R9m1tQjI0O3BYBFtDLGKiENhDStV4xjj31RPGqhGpaBZ9MsQ) is an interesting read.

[sellstuff1]

https://i.imgur.com/Crhx7Dc.png

[Neveragain]

https://i.imgur.com/Crhx7Dc.png

Last year vehicles killed more people than guns, so it's a good thing we are pushing for more gun control.

[Astray]

Last year vehicles killed more people than guns, so it's a good thing we are pushing for more gun control.

The fucked part about that lettuce bullshit is that out of all the contamination, Arizona was blamed for the bulk of it. Even though the majority of that lettuce was coming from California, the shit hole that's always burning the fuck down.

But, y'know, facts get in the way.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/Crhx7Dc.png

Pretty sure the romaine lettuce death count was like 5 people, at least as of June 1. I'm sure millions have died from lettuce since then though. Possibly billions.

No wait, there were 0 deaths with the second outbreak. Just a bunch of people with diarrhea. Which you should be able to relate to, because you are actual diarrhea.

Look how stupid you are though. Please keep it up. Someone has to fill the entertainment void while time4PhD is getting another PhD and Ashliana is busy crying in a corner and pk is still asleep on time4fun's couch.


Last year vehicles killed more people than guns, so it's a good thing we are pushing for more gun control.

Big Macs kill more people than lettuce, illegals, and guns.

Probably because of those fucking sesame seeds.

Know who doesn't fuck with sesame seeds though?

https://i.imgur.com/8DInfYa.jpg

There have been 0 deaths linked to McDowell's. It's tied with weed for least deaths ever.

[Neveragain]

The fucked part about that lettuce bullshit is that out of all the contamination, Arizona was blamed for the bulk of it. Even though the majority of that lettuce was coming from California, the shit hole that's always burning the fuck down.

But, y'know, facts get in the way.

2 easy steps to not die from lettuce.

1. Don't eat processed lettuce, that shits gross.

2. Wash your produce before you eat it.

That shredded lettuce even smells like manure.

[Methais]

manure.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/3d/Backtothefuture2-_manure_crash.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20180112003500
http://ihatemanure.com/bttf1-manure02.gif

[sellstuff1]

https://i.imgur.com/KarhFQh.png

Check out the turtle in his natural habitat.

[sellstuff1]

In the midst of the longest-ever government shutdown in U.S. history, Senate Republicans have instead decided to consider a bill on Thursday to codify existing restrictions that make it harder for low-income people to get abortions.

The bill codifies the Hyde Amendment — a provision that passes annually and prohibits federal Medicaid dollars from covering abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or life endangerment — among other things. The bill is unlikely to get the 60 votes it needs to move forward. The vote also comes ahead of this weekend’s March for Life rally, the largest annual anti-abortion event nationwide.

Looks like conservatives have their priorities straight. Instead of going with a spending bill that was unanimously approved, they're coming up with ways to fuck poor people during a government shutdown.

Absolutely deplorable.

[sellstuff1]

https://i.imgur.com/VOP5fND.jpg

[Parkbandit]

What did Mitch McConnell do all of a sudden? Did I miss something?

Maybe you should stick with GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR TRUUUUUUUUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sellstuff1]

What did Mitch McConnell do all of a sudden? Did I miss something?

Maybe you should stick with GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR TRUUUUUUUUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you just that woefully uninformed of the day-to-day operations of the Senate? Man, you're like the perfect Republican. Spread fake news and propoganda, ignorant about politics, and consisently votes against your own interests.

[Ashlander]

Are you just that woefully uninformed of the day-to-day operations of the Senate? Man, you're like the perfect Republican. Spread fake news and propoganda, ignorant about politics, and consisently votes against your own interests.

So you don't know what he did either.

[Fortybox]

Maybe he doesn’t like turtles.

[Alfster]

Some strange news coming out of BuzzFeed tonight. Take it for what it is, but doesn't look good for Trump if true.

[Neveragain]

and consisently votes against your own interests.

If I had a nickel for every time I have heard a socialist say this I would be in the top 1%.

I voted democrat for most of my life and I can't think of anything they have done in my best interest. Especially now considering being a white male over the age of 35 is Democrat target #1.

[Parkbandit]

Are you just that woefully uninformed of the day-to-day operations of the Senate? Man, you're like the perfect Republican. Spread fake news and propoganda, ignorant about politics, and consisently votes against your own interests.

No, but clearly the Turtle has triggered you.

I wanted to know what that trigger was.

Also, specifically what interest have I been consistently voting against?

[Parkbandit]

Some strange news coming out of BuzzFeed tonight. Take it for what it is, but doesn't look good for Trump if true.

It's Buzzfeed. Their just a quarter level above the National Enquirer.

Well, unless it's about "Which Food Should You Be In A Committed Relationship With?" and then they nail the shit out of that.

[Methais]

Also, specifically what interest have I been consistently voting against?

The one where you pay his bills for him so he can sit at home watching anime and bestiality porn all day.

[RichardCranium]

CNN has been reporting that the President will offer concessions today.