Weapons Policies that Make Me Never Want to Teach

[Warriorbird]

Things like this inspire me NOT to get that teaching certificate. Raising fascist post Columbine nonsense to a whole new level... I wonder what comes next.... "Backpacks can conceal weapons... we need to ban backpacks!"

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050223/BREAKINGNEWS/50223002

[Edited on 2-25-2005 by Warriorbird]

[StrayRogue]

Only in America...

[The Korean]

Ban pencils and pens!

[Warriorbird]

Hey, I did some pretty wicked damage to a kid in third grade with a pencil once. Then again, he tried to hit me with a chair.

Less banning and more arming teachers!

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

That's reasonable. Little Billy wouldn't talk smack if Mr. Snider had a boom-stick.

[Syberus]

Or we could all just realize it's not the end of the fucking world if someone tosses a rubberband on your desk... holy shit people

[Warriorbird]

Of course. Do you think I was being serious? I was really damn pissed the day I got barred from my school on my first college break. I had one of the highest averages the damn place ever had and I wanted to visit some of my old teachers (I can't think of a more nerdly thing to do, but some of them were great). I got stopped by armed security because I might be "giving something dangerous to a current student." It was the most egregious bs. Someone's gonna snap if they're gonna snap, fascist administration policies aren't gonna do anything but build resentment.

[Syberus]

Sorry by you and people i wasn't referring to anyone here specifically, it was a general statement regarding my feelings towards the general direction this shit seems to be going as a whole.

[Latrinsorm]

"It's ridiculous, it's a rubber band," Rojas said.

In any other state, I'd say she already had the case won.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah. It's pretty damn crazy. It reminds me of my father telling me about getting pulled into the office in high school because he wore all red one day.

My father: "Why am I here?"

Assistant principal: "Are you a Communist? Have any of your friends ever been Communists?"

[The Korean]

Dude, I'm going to walk into a school with a towel wrapped around my head.

[Syberus]

Was the Principle Mcarthy?

[Gamukak]

Actually, I was deeply questioned one day for calling some Borgouis.

Had to listen to a 30 minute lecture on the evils of communism.

Back on to the subject, though, I think that a part of the problem is that kids these days have no respect for teachers or adults in general. They have the attitude of "You cant touch me". The only recourse left for a powerless teacher is something as stupid as this.

Not to show my age, but back when I was young we KNEW (probably wrong) that the principle had a paddle in his office, with holes drilled through it to cause blisters and duct tape on one side to draw the blisters out. Based on that "certain" knowledge, it was the rare kid who screwed up.....we did have one that was a total ADD case who would run freaking wild when we had a substitute teacher (he liked to see if he could make them cry), but the rest of us didnt want to get the crap paddled out of us by the principle, so we behaved. Without Ritalin, without therapists, just good old basic if you mess up, we will whack your ass fear.

It worked back then, bet it would work now too.

[Warriorbird]

No, but I didn't believe it for years. Then my grandparents confirmed it and I was just like, "Buhhhh...."

And yeah. Stuff like this calls for mad towel sportin action.

[Neildo]

Hey, I did some pretty wicked damage to a kid in third grade with a pencil once. Then again, he tried to hit me with a chair.

Heh, I remember back in either 5th or 6th grade, there was this kid who was somewhat a bully but more of an annoyance and he just wouldn't leave me alone. I told him to knock it off and he didn't and he threatened me somehow and did kind of a backwards bearhug (my back to his chest) and I had a pencil in my hand and stabbed him in the thigh and gave him lead poisoning, lol.

But yeah, anything can be turned into a weapon. We should all come to school handcuffed and lean to write using our toes because even our fingers, can be weapons to poke out someones eye or swing a nice chop to someone's neck. Making "safety" restrictions such as those are just stupid. There's no such thing as a safe place.

- N

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Then again, he tried to hit me with a chair.>>

rofl, somehow I got hit in the back of the head with a chair in seventh grade. Good times.



Edit: I once got pulled into the principal's office for allegedly selling pr0n in the halls. That was sixth grade. God that was so stupid.

Bitch: Are you selling inappropriate pictures to students?
Me: No. Who said I did?
Bitch: I can't tell you.
Me: Student or teacher?
Bitch: I can't tell you.
Me: Oh okay.
Bitch: I'm going to ask you some questions, and I'll find out if you're lying.
Me: All right.
Bitch: Do you have a computer?
Me: Yes.
Bitch: Do you have a printer?
Me: Yes.
Bitch: Do you have the internet?
Me: Yes.
Bitch: Do you have a parental block?
Me: No.
Bitch: So you could do this at any time?
Me: Yes.
Bitch: But you didn't?
Me: No.
Bitch: You're free to go.

[Edited on 2-25-2005 by Bobmuhthol]

I swear to Christ, if any teacher EVER touched my kid, I'd be brought up on assault charges.

- Arkans

[Syberus]

This guy will help fight communism

[Warriorbird]

I got suspended for "illegal gambling" in high school. That was about my most bogus one.

[Back]

Originally posted by Syberus
This guy will help fight communism

Awesome! Saved that one for the archives. Going to print that out for my cubicle.

PS. I was stabbed in the head with a pencil in fifth grade. The point broke off. It may have affected me.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Only in America...

They cut off your limbs for looking at someone wrong in some countries...

So no, not only in America.

[Hulkein]

I broke a kids leg with a figure four on the bus. Luckily I only slightly broke it and it wasn't noticed until he aggravated it a day later, so I didn't get in trouble. :beer:

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Gamukak
I think that a part of the problem is that kids these days have no respect for teachers or adults in general.First off, we all know that's you, Parkbandit. (It's the socks and sandals.)

Second off, your nostalgia is showing. :)

Finally, HAHAHA @ Hulkein. Everyone knows the scorpion deathlock is the superior maneuver.

[peam]

I think you mean Sharpshooter.

[Latrinsorm]

They're obviously different. The sharpshooter is all Canadian and backwards (which I guess is redundant).

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Things like this inspire me NOT to get that teaching certificate. Raising fascist post Columbine nonsense to a whole new level... I wonder what comes next.... "Backpacks can conceal weapons... we need to ban backpacks!"

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050223/BREAKINGNEWS/50223002

[Edited on 2-25-2005 by Warriorbird]

Actually, I know the highschools/middle schools here do not allow "solid" backpacks. One must have either a mesh, or clear plastic bag that you bring your stuff in. Solid colored purses are not allowed either.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah, LL Bean and Eddie Bauer obviously support school violence.

[Stealth]

<<and I had a pencil in my hand and stabbed him in the thigh and gave him lead poisoning, lol.>>


I find this a bit far fetched since pencils don't have lead in them, it's graphite.


Stealth

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Stealth
<<and I had a pencil in my hand and stabbed him in the thigh and gave him lead poisoning, lol.>>


I find this a bit far fetched since pencils don't have lead in them, it's graphite.


Stealth

Has been for decades now.

[Ravenstorm]

Actually, from what I just read on the history of pencils, they've used graphite for centuries and it doesn't seem like pencils as we know them have ever used actual lead. Rather interesting.

Raven

[petroglyph]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
I was really damn pissed the day I got barred from my school on my first college break.

I successfully snuck back into my high school to visit. . .then when I tried to leave, the security guard stopped me. I didn't have the proper off campus lunch pass, you see. Nevermind that I wasn't a student. . . .

Schools have some damn stupid rules. I'm grateful to be done with them.

[Amaron]

Schools may have some dumb rules but some are there for a reason.

I am not saying I support this rubberband thing...

But I am a teacher of 7 & 8 grade students in a very rural school.

We do not allow backpacks outside of the locker. Why? Many reasons.

Because a depressed fifth grader ( who the school had already been trying to get help for but the parents would not sign the consent form for psych elvaluation) brought a hand gun to school and cornered himself in the bathroom and would not come out and threatened to shoot anyone that came in.

Because for a whole spring we had a huge amount of bomb threats... and found two partically constructed bombs in a backpack and one in the library.

Students are not allowed to even have asprin on them. They have to leave it with the nurse. why do I agree?

Because students were passing off cocaine as asprin in capsules.
A student died because she had taken the cocaine thinking it was aspirin. And she had a heart condition she did not know about.


We did have a student stab another with a pencil while in a fight. And that pencil went in the shoulder and did some nerve and artery damage.

____________________________________________



I am not saying these rules were put in place because of these instances. But as a teacher I would not want that ONE student who is depressed and just flunked my class to be able to carry a backpack about that could hold a gun or a bomb.

Now being suspended because of a rubberband that wasn't acually shot is silly. I agree there, but there are a lot of things we deal with on a daily basis that I see laughed at as a joke, but when you have to deal with it, it can be scarey.

I would rather be safe than sorry in the end especially when its my classroom and I am responsible for the students in it.

Just another twist on rules from behind the teacher's desk.

[Kyra]

Are they smoking crack? Expulsion over a rubber band...yeesh.

Here, kids get away with bringing bottle rockets to the playground and lighting them off, beating other kids bloody, stealing the teachers & other students blind with only an after school detention or two as punishment :no:

I like to see stricter safety enforcement but that school in Florida is outta control..

K.

[Bobmuhthol]

Schools suck. WTF is up with people being so stupid?!?!

A fight in my school is fair and controlled. Normally you've got about 30+ people surrounding the two guys and we break it up when necessary, then everyone goes on.

But let's use pencils and stab each other!1111

[Wezas]

On topic - I'm not sure if I believe the kid "tossed" the rubber band on the desk. Likely he "fired" it using his fingers - and that *could* cause some damage to someone's eye.

However a level 4 punishment I don't think was needed:

Other violations that also receive level 4 punishment include arson, assault and battery, bomb threats and explosives, according to the Code of Student Conduct.

I was only suspended from school once. I skipped lunch with some friends and went to McDonalds. We were caught on the way back in. They patted us down, and found my pager in my sock. Back then it was "Drug free school zone" & "Pager = DEALER!!!!". Oh noez - they *crushed* my pager in a vice with me watching. Suspended, 5 days.

My mom called up, bitched the principal out - "my son started driving and that pager is the only way I can get ahold of him, and he says it wasn't even turned on". It wasn't, and they admited it. They bought me a new pager.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<On topic - I'm not sure if I believe the kid "tossed" the rubber band on the desk. Likely he "fired" it using his fingers - and that *could* cause some damage to someone's eye.>>

.... boo hoo. For a one day science project, my friends and I made a slingshot and used masking tape wasps for ammunition. They sting like a bitch, btw.

We also blew every other project away.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<On topic - I'm not sure if I believe the kid "tossed" the rubber band on the desk. Likely he "fired" it using his fingers - and that *could* cause some damage to someone's eye.>>

.... boo hoo. For a one day science project, my friends and I made a slingshot and used masking tape wasps for ammunition. They sting like a bitch, btw.

We also blew every other project away.

Shit.. "back in the day" we would have wars in the hallways after school. I would make aluminum wads and use the biggest fucking rubber bands we could find. We had a fucking BLAST for weeks (I was on the school paper) until Prince Pickett got hit in the eye and had to go to the nurse. We stopped then.

The shit you do as a kid. I look back and say "What the fuck was I thinking" Stuff like:

BB Gun fights.
Rock fights.
Swinging on a swing and going as HIGH as you can and leaping off the swing to get the farthest jump.
Jumping off our shed.
Drinking stupid food/liquid drinks in the cafeteria.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<BB Gun fights.>>

Not cool enough for paintball? Not being the bitch in a game of Bambi = excellent.

[Kyra]

On topic - I'm not sure if I believe the kid "tossed" the rubber band on the desk. Likely he "fired" it using his fingers - and that *could* cause some damage to someone's eye.


Well just about ANYTHING "could" cause damage to a person if it were used in the wrong way..purposely or accidently.

Sooo...should we outlaw all writing utensils, paper(papercuts could be a personal assault now), staplers, pencil sharpners, rulers, well...maybe we ought to cancel school altogether, much safer that way. :rolleyes:

At this rate kids will have to be schooled in padded rooms while sitting on the floor wearing only gunnysacks(strip searched before entering the school also) & writing on pads that you use the pressure of your finger to create markings(built into the wall).

I have little respect left for most public school systems and this "rubber band" attack in Florida just re-inforces my opinion of said b.s. in the public school systems.

K.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<BB Gun fights.>>

Not cool enough for paintball? Not being the bitch in a game of Bambi = excellent.

I don't think Paintball was around 30 years ago.. and if it was, I certainly hadn't heard of it.

Love paintball though.

[Bobmuhthol]

Haha you're old. It was around close to 25 years ago.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
.... boo hoo.

I see your point, Bob. But the story could be a bit misleading. If someone tossed a rubber band at you it's definately different then someone flinging them at you.

And yeah, we did the catapult thing in school. We used paper that we folded over until it was thick & long - then we folded it in half and nailed people.

Stings like a bitch.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Swinging on a swing and going as HIGH as you can and leaping off the swing to get the farthest jump.Doesn't everyone still do that? As a kid, I mean.

Haha, Wezas is old enough to have had a pager. :smilegrin:

[Apotheosis]

i love a country where adults fear teens armed with rubber-bands

[Miss X]

One of my best friends is a high school teacher, the other day some kid snapped a wooden ruler in half and tried to stab her in the head with it because she asked him to sit down.

She was so shocked by it too, we were in the same class all through high school and we feared the teachers! She's too sweet though, she requested that he wasn't excluded from the school.

[Slingblade]

<<On topic - I'm not sure if I believe the kid "tossed" the rubber band on the desk. Likely he "fired" it using his fingers - and that *could* cause some damage to someone's eye.>>

Especially if he yelled "LIGHTNING BOLT!" as he shot it.

I remember when shooting rubber bands in school was considered part of playtime/goofing off instead of assault.

Fuck all these soccer moms and their stupid bullshit.

If that were my kid I'd be like "Well Robert, if they're hitting you with a level 4 offense, you might as well give them a reason. Here's a gas can and some matches, wait til it's dark and everyone leaves."

(Btw that last paragraph was only a joke, so fuck off. Yes, you.)

[Edited on 2-25-2005 by Slingblade]

[Edited on 2-25-2005 by Slingblade]

[The Korean]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
The shit you do as a kid. I look back and say "What the fuck was I thinking" Stuff like:


Drinking stupid food/liquid drinks in the cafeteria.

:lol: I used to do this for money during middle school. 5 bucks to drink whatever concoction they could think up with whatever food item was available during the day.

[Neildo]

and I had a pencil in my hand and stabbed him in the thigh and gave him lead poisoning, lol.


I find this a bit far fetched since pencils don't have lead in them, it's graphite.

Well that's what I was told at the time. Remember, this was 5th or 6th grade. It coulda just been a huge infection then.

- N