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sellstuff1
11-21-2018, 12:07 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-china-trade-war-soybeans-left-rotting-thanks-to-lack-of-storage-2018-11?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop&referrer=twitter&utm_source=reddit.com

Crops are rotting in fields as Trump’s trade war bites US farmers

American farmers are struggling to sell their products as tariffs introduced during the trade war between Washington and Beijing stifle demand.
In certain states, farmers are being forced into plowing their crops under — effectively burying them under soil in fields — as there is simply not enough storage room in storage facilities.
The problem is most acute for soybean farmers, as China generally buys around 60% of US soybeans, but purchases have basically stopped since tariffs began.
American farmers are struggling to find storage for crops that would usually be sold overseas, with some being forced to leave produce rotting in fields as a last resort, as the trade conflict between the US and China continues.

Farmers in various US states, farmers are being forced into plowing their crops under — effectively burying them under soil in fields — as there is not enough storage room in storage facilities, and they are unable to sell their products thanks to Chinese tariffs, Reuters reported on Wednesday.

All grain depots and silos are almost completely full, meaning farmers have to find their own storage solutions, or allow their crops to rot. Neither option is particularly palatable.

The problem is most acute for soybean farmers. China is the largest importer of soybeans in the world, but since the start of the trade war it has slapped US soybeans with a 25% tariff, and turned to Brazil in an attempt to meet domestic demand.

Chinese purchases generally make up around 60% of all US soybean exports, but those exports have practically stopped since the tariffs were introduced.

In Louisiana, as much as 15% of this year's soybean crop has been ploughed under, or is too damaged to sell, according to data analyzed by Louisiana State University staff and cited by Reuters.

There is some good news for farmers, however. Firstly, the Trump administration has started a programme of subsidies to try and lessen the impact of his trade war on US agriculture.

In August, the administration launched a $4.7 billion initial investment plan to help corn, cotton, dairy, hog, sorghum, soybean, and wheat farmers.

The program is slated to expand to as much as $12 billion. But according to Reuters, less than $900 million has been paid out so far.

On top of the subsidies, tensions between the two sides appear to be waning, with the US signaling a more conciliatory stance when it comes to tariffs. Trump has reportedly sidelined some of his most aggressively anti-China team members, with Peter Navarro, an uber-protectionist trade adviser, among those given a back seat.

The most significant sign that the US and China may actually come to some agreement came last week after reports surfaced that Beijing sent a letter to the Trump administration outlining possible concessions.

So far, the US and China have traded tit-for-tat tariffs on goods totalling $360 billion, with the US acting as the aggressor, and Trump threatening numerous times to place tariffs on all US imports from China, worth about $500 billion.

Gelston
11-21-2018, 12:08 PM
How many sand niggers did you kill?

Interesting.

Astray
11-21-2018, 12:12 PM
Oh I'm so mad right now I might just kill a nigger.

O O F

Taernath
11-21-2018, 12:14 PM
Oh I'm so mad right now I might just kill a nigger.

The player of Clairette, Skaster, Tarvok, Chenni, Malthrick, and Stanval.

Astray
11-21-2018, 12:15 PM
Oh and just in case they try to erase it.

https://i.imgur.com/rwqmDeK.png

Stumplicker
11-21-2018, 12:16 PM
I knew a man once who plowed his cornfields in Iowa under to build a baseball diamond. People thought he was crazy, but he was not. Also Darth Vader was there.

And no shit farmers were affected. They were on list 1. That's why they got an enormous bailout before the trade war even escalated.

Methais
11-21-2018, 12:18 PM
Oh and just in case they try to erase it.

https://i.imgur.com/rwqmDeK.png


React channels are lazy content!

How you gonna complain about that when you don't even have avatars enabled because you're too lazy to look at them?

Reported and backtraced.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XVfWslowmoI/hqdefault.jpg

Astray
11-21-2018, 12:20 PM
Reported and backtraced.

Reported for fake news!

That's their reply history.

Deported for not understanding forums.

Methais
11-21-2018, 01:38 PM
Reported for fake news!

That's their reply history.

Deported for not understanding forums.

I noticed that after, but I was too lazy to go back and fix it.

Reported for not assuming this was the case.

Astray
11-21-2018, 01:47 PM
I noticed that after, but I was too lazy to go back and fix it.

Reported for not assuming this was the case.

https://i.imgur.com/3AcI90w.jpg

Methais
11-21-2018, 02:01 PM
https://i.imgur.com/3AcI90w.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0pGK2L1.jpg

Archigeek
11-21-2018, 04:02 PM
And no shit farmers were affected. They were on list 1. That's why they got an enormous bailout before the trade war even escalated.

That bailout is not even close to making up the losses that farmers will face because of Trump's trade war with China.

Stumplicker
11-21-2018, 04:08 PM
That bailout is not even close to making up the losses that farmers will face because of Trump's trade war with China.

It's about 75% of their overall yearly income from that sector. It won't help going forward, no, and we're going to start feeling the pinch in regular consumer goods starting very soon here. List 3 included basically all the imports that go into everything, from plastics to bitumen. Not only are container prices up because there's been a feeding frenzy trying to get goods in before the tariffs hit for your particular list, but now that the tariffs have hit across the board, it's a 25% increase for the ingredients for just about everything.

I got my steel imports in before list 1 hit, but I'm still getting nickel and dimed to death on stupid little stuff like latex gloves and labels.

The saving grace is an election year. The trade war will be settled before Trump gears up for re-election. China knows that I think, and is digging in, because with as much say as the state has in business, frankly, they can. We don't have as much time as they can buy.

Archigeek
11-21-2018, 04:32 PM
It's about 75% of their overall yearly income from that sector. It won't help going forward, no, and we're going to start feeling the pinch in regular consumer goods starting very soon here. List 3 included basically all the imports that go into everything, from plastics to bitumen. Not only are container prices up because there's been a feeding frenzy trying to get goods in before the tariffs hit for your particular list, but now that the tariffs have hit across the board, it's a 25% increase for the ingredients for just about everything.

I got my steel imports in before list 1 hit, but I'm still getting nickel and dimed to death on stupid little stuff like latex gloves and labels.

The saving grace is an election year. The trade war will be settled before Trump gears up for re-election. China knows that I think, and is digging in, because with as much say as the state has in business, frankly, they can. We don't have as much time as they can buy.

It's $1.65 per bushel. About 20% of the price of soybeans, which are at a price that is greatly depressed due to Trump's trade war.

Stumplicker
11-21-2018, 05:10 PM
It's $1.65 per bushel. About 20% of the price of soybeans, which are at a price that is greatly depressed due to Trump's trade war.

Yeah, soybeans have always been a tough crop. The farm I worked on as a kid actually grew pot in the middle of the soybean fields to y'know...subsidize the low profits. But that's neither here nor there.

I'm not saying in any way that farmers aren't hurting or weren't the first hurt. They did get a bailout that helps them in the short term though, and I'm hopeful that the conclusion to the trade war is going to happen before it becomes a dire issue for them. Elections have a way of making a leader pander to the people he's been abusing for the last few years.

Ardwen
11-21-2018, 06:31 PM
There have been less than a billion dollars paid from this program far less then they have lost, and the two largest benefactors will be pork producers, one Brazilian owned and one Chinese owned. Great plan indeed.

Androidpk
11-21-2018, 07:36 PM
And the Republicans that own farms and pushed for the bailout collected bailout money :lol:

Ardwen
11-21-2018, 08:01 PM
To be fair at least one Dem Senator tht owns a farm intends to apply as well.

Archigeek
11-21-2018, 10:04 PM
When the price of a crop is at a 4 year low and not enough to break even, and the bail out is 20% of THAT price, I don't quite get how anyone could think this is anything but a river of red ink for any farmer growing soybeans, which are the main crop affected by Trump's trade war with China. I do however agree that it will get settled, mostly because Trump can't stand to not be at the center of adulation. He just won't be able to handle not being adored, so he'll cave and declare victory.

Tgo01
11-21-2018, 10:17 PM
CNN's phrase of the day: "Trump's trade war."

Repeat it often.
Repeat it loudly.

Ardwen
11-22-2018, 09:49 AM
Seems like many soy bean farmers are storing their crops, rather then taking pennies on the dollar, in hopes they can find a seller. Of course they are now paying storage costs and may never sell the crop, if soy gets even slightly damp its ruined.

RichardCranium
11-22-2018, 03:08 PM
Lot’s of tears by some of the “men” here.

Compassion and empathy are different than whining and crying.

Methais
11-23-2018, 09:03 AM
Compassion and empathy are different than whining and crying.

I think he's just acknowledging that people are mad about whatever is happening with soy. Because soy.

RichardCranium
11-23-2018, 10:00 AM
I think he's just acknowledging that people are mad about whatever is happening with soy. Because soy.

Is this how the second Civil War begins???

Methais
11-23-2018, 11:34 AM
Is this how the Soyvil War begins???

Yes.