New details on how to check warnings and scripting violations on characters

[Redscare]

Seems relevant to this particular Market:
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/GemStone%20IV%20Announcements/Important%20Announcements/view/3164

Short version:
Should get the POLICY REVIEW output of a character before buying.
For accounts would need this on all characters individually.

[Khelbaen]

this is good advice, should become a standard bit of info for all selling posts

[Methais]

Nifty.

You've been warned 9 times on the character Methais. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You've last read the policy in full on Tue Jul 17 23:36:11 ET 2001.

[Amerek]

You've not been warned on the character Amerek. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full.

[Methais]

You've not been warned on the character Amerek. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full.

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[Amerek]

Apparently. Please tell me that all of your warnings for jumping in the well

[Astray]

You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer.

I'm guessing the qualification of this is going to go over fantastically for some of the drama queens in game.

[SonoftheNorth]

You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're currently being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full. Da fuq am I being monitored for vulgarity

[Methais]

Apparently. Please tell me that all of your warnings for jumping in the well

Most are probably old vulgarity warnings, and one should be from when I got banned for 60 days when I discovered that the puzzle scarabs at Hunt For History II that were hidden under some wagon and were needed to complete some puzzle, could be picked up infinitely and were worth about 5k at the gemshop, and I didn't launder any of it, made about 15m in less than a half hour and dumped it all in the bank instead of trying to launder it through an alt or something to hold for a while, which probably wouldn't have worked anyway, but who knows, since they traced it from bank deposits.

Except that was in 2003, and this says I haven't read POLICY since 2001. Pretty sure they made me read POLICY before they were like LOL WARNING & BANNED!!!!1

[Ardwen]

Only 9 Methais? You have severely disappointed me. I hope their tracking mechanism is broken and its supposed to be 90.

[Methais]

Only 9 Methais? You have severely disappointed me. I hope their tracking mechanism is broken and its supposed to be 90.

If it helps you feel any more disappointed, I'm pretty sure the one from 2003 with the 60 day ban was the last warning I received. :(

[Ardwen]

I demand an update to the warning of Methais system! Clearly they haven't fixed it in the last decade at the least. All other mechanical work by GMs should be halted so they can all pitch in on this key system.

[Methais]

I demand an update to the warning of Methais system! Clearly they haven't fixed it in the last decade at the least. All other mechanical work by GMs should be halted so they can all pitch in on this key system.

60% of my warnings were sold as part of a package deal with the HERO Engine.

It's the only way they could find a buyer.

[Neveragain]

Most are probably old vulgarity warnings, and one should be from when I got banned for 60 days when I discovered that the puzzle scarabs at Hunt For History II that were hidden under some wagon and were needed to complete some puzzle, could be picked up infinitely and were worth about 5k at the gemshop, and I didn't launder any of it, made about 15m in less than a half hour and dumped it all in the bank instead of trying to launder it through an alt or something to hold for a while, which probably wouldn't have worked anyway, but who knows, since they traced it from bank deposits.

Except that was in 2003, and this says I haven't read POLICY since 2001. Pretty sure they made me read POLICY before they were like LOL WARNING & BANNED!!!!1

60 days? That's fucking stupid. Did they fire the GM that failed so badly?

[Methais]

60 days? That's fucking stupid. Did they fire the GM that failed so badly?

He probably got promoted.

That was my first and only lockout too.

"It's your fault our QC sucks! BAN!"

[Neveragain]

You're around others who use vulgarity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V41fLweroZc

[Tgo01]

You've not been warned on the character Dreaven. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full.

That's the way to do things.

[Tgo01]

You've been warned 4 times on the character Bochser. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full.

4 times seems awfully high on Bochser. I know for sure one time probably a decade ago.

[Astray]

I like how it tells you that you haven't read the policy in full. That's a funny little passive aggressive touch.

[Tgo01]

I like how it tells you that you haven't read the policy in full. That's a funny little passive aggressive touch.

It really should say "You haven't pretended to read the policy in full."

[adred]

>>Why doesn't it show the dates of my last warnings?

Retroactive dates aren't possible. The time stamps are a new feature that are being stored in game. Future warnings will show your dates.

This is very important to consider here... there is a lot of "warnings" from a decade or more ago on a lot of characters.

You've been warned 5 times on the character xxx. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You've last read the policy in full on Sun Apr 19 02:33:15 ET 2007.

For instance, this is a character I made almost 20 years ago... and I haven't been warned or in trouble in a very long long time...

[Candor]

You've been warned 1 time on the character Candor. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full.

[Candor]

>>Why doesn't it show the dates of my last warnings?

Retroactive dates aren't possible. The time stamps are a new feature that are being stored in game. Future warnings will show your dates.

This is very important to consider here... there is a lot of "warnings" from a decade or more ago on a lot of characters.

You've been warned 5 times on the character xxx. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You've last read the policy in full on Sun Apr 19 02:33:15 ET 2007.

For instance, this is a character I made almost 20 years ago... and I haven't been warned or in trouble in a very long long time...

Just because there isn't a timestamp doesn't mean a GM didn't put the time in manually in their description of the incident.

[Taar]

What kind of incidents would cause there to be a warning on an account? I've bought a characters over the last... along time. I have one that has 6 (none since I've had them for years and years). They should have made the system show what the prior warnings were even if they don't have a time stamp on them, just so you know. Unless it's recent stuff, probably not a big deal when buying/selling a character unless it's for scripting or stealing 15m in silvers :)

[adred]

Just because there isn't a timestamp doesn't mean a GM didn't put the time in manually in their description of the incident.

Very true, but the motive of the the OP (which I don't disagree with) is for future character sales to include details of "policy review". My point is that this has implications and it's important to recognize the context.

[adred]

What kind of incidents would cause there to be a warning on an account? I've bought a characters over the last... along time. I have one that has 6 (none since I've had them for years and years). They should have made the system show what the prior warnings were even if they don't have a time stamp on them, just so you know. Unless it's recent stuff, probably not a big deal when buying/selling a character unless it's for scripting or stealing 15m in silvers :)

anything from player killing, bug abuse, scripting violations, generally being an ass, etc.... I'm sure they all are timestamped and subject to GM discretion..

[Gelston]

Just because there isn't a timestamp doesn't mean a GM didn't put the time in manually in their description of the incident.

They aren't going to manually go through every single character ever created and every warning log and do that.

[Candor]

They aren't going to manually go through every single character ever created and every warning log and do that.

That's not what I meant. I'm just saying that the GMs most likely have info that show when each warning occurred. The info just isn't in a timestamp and most likely not in a common format, so of course it's not easy for an automated tool to find. Wyrom has stated that you can ask for a referral to get info on the warnings in your account.

[Astray]

That's not what I meant. I'm just saying that the GMs most likely have info that show when each warning occurred. The info just isn't in a timestamp, so of course it's not easy for an automated tool to find.

I'd suppose if they released "You were warned for X" it'd muddy the waters and allow people to contest. I'm positive they don't have logs going back forever or those people that performed stuff like punishments might not be around any longer. So it's just a measure to avoid 'Why am I still being held accountable for something on [Date]?'

[Candor]

I'd suppose if they released "You were warned for X" it'd muddy the waters and allow people to contest. I'm positive they don't have logs going back forever or those people that performed stuff like punishments might not be around any longer. So it's just a measure to avoid 'Why am I still being held accountable for something on [Date]?'

I would guess that unless you did something really horrible, after a couple years or so a warning is not likely to have significant impact. But I've never been a GM or worked for SIMU, so I don't really know.

The warning Candor has is at least 15 years old, probably longer. I can't imagine that would have any impact on anything.

[Gelston]

I'd suppose if they released "You were warned for X" it'd muddy the waters and allow people to contest. I'm positive they don't have logs going back forever or those people that performed stuff like punishments might not be around any longer. So it's just a measure to avoid 'Why am I still being held accountable for something on [Date]?'

You'd be pretty wrong. And again, a warning you received 10 years ago means pretty much nothing now. The warning is always going to be there, but the impact it has on you is basically nil.

[Astray]

You'd be pretty wrong. And again, a warning you received 10 years ago means pretty much nothing now. The warning is always going to be there, but the impact it has on you is basically nil.

Oh. Okay. Fair enough.

[Fortybox]

Don't get why this is important for character sales. Is the buyer planning on committing a crime?

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[Gelston]

Don't get why this is important for character sales. Is the buyer planning on committing a crime?

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People generally don't want to buy a character that is 1 warning away from a ban.

[Fortybox]

People generally don't want to buy a character that is 1 warning away from a ban.

How many warnings does it take to get a ban?

And who cares? Don't do bad stuff and you'll never get a warning.

[Gelston]

How many warnings does it take to get a ban?

And who cares? Don't do bad stuff and you'll never get a warning.

Some people don't want the risk. It is information on a character either way, and now that it is available people will ask for it.

[Neveragain]

xxxxxx, this is an official warning that Sexually Explicit Language is against policy in GemStone III.
xxxxxxxx, this is your SECOND official warning, that Sexually Explicit Language is against GemStone III policy. Further warnings could result in your being temporarily locked out of the game.

You can review GS3 policy by going to page 931, option 2, "GemStone Policy Information."
You can review Simutronics Policy by clicking on "POLICY" which is located in the frame on the left side of your screen while in any non-game area of the Simutronics Web Site.

If you feel this warning was received in error, please speak to a GameMaster by typing ASSIST.

You can also get official GemStone III policy information online by typing "POLICY" now.

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[Neveragain]

Ivas is the Goddess of seduction. Possessing a pair of tentacles where most humanoid beings have arms, and with full, sensuous lips hiding a maw filled with shark's teeth, Ivas cloaks herself in illusion. She appears to the unwary as a woman of unearthly beauty.

Preying on those willing to be seduced, Ivas thrives on the jealousy, distrust, and hatred that results. Often times marked by rotting diseases that defy all cures, her adherents form cults which revel in perverted carnal pleasures. However, their primary goal is the seduction of unwary outsiders.


this is an official warning that Sexually Explicit Language is against policy

https://i.imgur.com/A9MwqFT.gif

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/A9MwqFT.gif

I’m pretty sure if you said “perverted carnal pleasures” in game nothing would happen.

[Neveragain]

I’m pretty sure if you said “perverted carnal pleasures” in game nothing would happen.

Not the point being made. It's more along the line of "Help us design a brothel in RR"


this is an official warning that Sexually Explicit Language is against policy

or "Let's place a sex dungeon in the game"


this is an official warning that Sexually Explicit Language is against policy

It reminds me of Al Pacino's speech in Devil's Advocate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jARp24AJWLk

[Methais]

Not the point being made. It's more along the line of "Help us design a brothel in RR"



or "Let's place a sex dungeon in the game"



It reminds me of Al Pacino's speech in Devil's Advocate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jARp24AJWLk

If they were saying “help us build a fuck palace” then you’d probably have a point.

Emphasis is on language not the theme.

[Fortybox]

Some people don't want the risk. It is information on a character either way, and now that it is available people will ask for it.

Nah, it’s just a ploy to bring down character price.

[Neveragain]

If they were saying “help us build a fuck palace” then you’d probably have a point.

Emphasis is on language not the theme.

You're still missing the point. As a writer/actor it's your job to incite emotions in your audience. There are times where the word "fuck" is better suited for the context simply because it flows better than another word. Personally I would never use "fuck palace" because it interrupts the objective of captivating your audiences emotions.

For example.

Some unexpected event suddenly happens, what is a better fitting reaction from a person? "What the fuck!" or "What the heck!"

When you place a God in your game who's followers revel in perverted carnal pleasure and lets be honest Ivas has a pretty solid group of followers (most of whom are women), they are probably partaking in some pretty fucked up shit.

To me, what is better for the game is your character reacting to that fucked up shit rather than going ooc and calling down the almighty smiter.

I don't think Stephen King relives his fucked up shit in real life.

P.S. One of my most memorable moments in Gemstone was having a GM whisper to me that they can hardly type because I have them so emotionally shaken up.

[Gelston]

Your point doesn't matter. The rules are the rules.

[Methais]

Some unexpected event suddenly happens, what is a better fitting reaction from a person? "What the fuck!" or "What the heck!"

That depends on if saying the word "fuck" would be violating any rules.

The point you're missing is it's the words themselves that would be the issue, not their meaning, i.e. fuck palace vs. brothel, textfuck room vs. latched room, doctor yelling, "Work your fucktube and pop that little piece of shit out of your cunt!" vs. "Ok now push!" 3rd grader in a classroom asking, "May I use the bathroom?" vs. "I need to take a fucking shit god damn!!!! " etc.

[Gelston]

3rd grader in a classroom asking, "May I use the bathroom?" vs. "I need to take a fucking shit god damn!!!! " etc.

You didn't know my 3rd grade class.

[Neveragain]

That depends on if saying the word "fuck" would be violating any rules.

The point you're missing is it's the words themselves that would be the issue, not their meaning, i.e. fuck palace vs. brothel, textfuck room vs. latched room, doctor yelling, "Work your fucktube and pop that little piece of shit out of your cunt!" vs. "Ok now push!" 3rd grader in a classroom asking, "May I use the bathroom?" vs. "I need to take a fucking shit god damn!!!! " etc.

More than anything my point is, you have already crossed over into the realm of mature content by adding sex dungeons, whore houses and gods that encourage perversion.

[Neveragain]

Your point doesn't matter. The rules are the rules.

Kind of like selling characters is breaking the rules but it happens anyway?

[Gelston]

Kind of like selling characters is breaking the rules but it happens anyway?

Is anyone walking into the middle of TSC and saying SELLING MY CHARACTER FOR $300!!!!!

No. They aren't. Keep that shit private and there are no issues with it.

[Fortybox]

Your point doesn't matter. The rules are the rules.

Screw rules!

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You've been warned 69 times on the character Wyromsux. You have been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full and Wyrom hates you.

[IorakeWarhammer]

You've been warned 103 times on the character Dero. You have been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're currently being monitored for vulgarity. You're currently being monitored for stalking. You've last read the policy in full on Tue Sept 18 13:47:02 ET 2018.

[Fortybox]

You've been warned 103 times on the character Dero. You have been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're currently being monitored for vulgarity. You're currently being monitored for stalking. You've last read the policy in full on Tue Sept 18 13:47:02 ET 2018.

:lol:

[Amerek]

You've been warned 103 times on the character Dero. You have been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're currently being monitored for vulgarity. You're currently being monitored for stalking. You've last read the policy in full on Tue Sept 18 13:47:02 ET 2018.

Please add screenshot, thx

[Neveragain]

Screw rules!

https://media.giphy.com/media/Pch8FiF08bc1G/giphy.gif

You've been warned 69 times on the character Wyromsux. You have been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're being monitored for vulgarity. You haven't read the policy in full and Wyrom hates you.

:lol:

I really don't have anything against Wyrom, my biggest problem is with a few of the GM's that are terribly biased when it comes to enforcing the rules. I think one of the creepiest occurrences was a time when another player and I had finished getting our freak on in her private home, we left the house and the gal I was with whispered some sexual innuendo to me and GM Palvella instantly scolded her. All I could think was "you creepy fucking bitch". Mind you, we were still standing outside her home and the comment was made in a whisper.

The "Shakespeare'n" in me takes these happenings and makes me want to push the envelope even further.

:shrug:

Finally it just got to the point where I am with the NFL, I have no interest in a game where 6 grand buys you a seat at the kitty cat island table.

[Methais]

More than anything my point is, you have already crossed over into the realm of mature content by adding sex dungeons, whore houses and gods that encourage perversion.

https://media.giphy.com/media/mHjBdBZuqBvJC/giphy.gif


I have no interest in a game where 6 grand buys you a seat at the kitty cat island table.

wut

[Neveragain]

wut

It was a jab at Time4fun dropping 6 grand on some stupid shit, ooc influencing the game and how boring gemstone has become.

[Haldrik]

This is stupid. Stacking penalties drop off after a year. If I had 100 AFK script warnings from 5 years ago, it doesn't mean shit in the current year.

They should have just provided the full dump of warnings with timestamps that GMs have access to.

[Fortybox]

This is stupid. Stacking penalties drop off after a year. If I had 100 AFK script warnings from 5 years ago, it doesn't mean shit in the current year.

They should have just provided the full dump of warnings with timestamps that GMs have access to.

People just want to use this to price fix character sales.

[madmartigan]

So when I sell out I have to put

You've been warned 6 times on the character Galenblackbard. You haven't been flagged as a high maintenance customer. You're not being monitored for vulgarity. You've last read the policy in full on Tue Aug 4 13:25:45 ET 1998.


MB 350!


GBB

[Neveragain]

Bit off topic, did they scrub the good and bad complaint section on the officials?

[dex]

I just want to say that having warnings follow a character rather than the account owner (via billing) is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. It's like someone buying a used car that the previous owner had a DUI in it, and now the new owner has a DUI on their record too cause it follows the car. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Neveragain]

I just want to say that having warnings follow a character rather than the account owner (via billing) is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. It's like someone buying a used car that the previous owner had a DUI in it, and now the new owner has a DUI on their record too cause it follows the car. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Actually it's not considering buying and selling characters is technically against policy.

[Methais]

Bit off topic, did they scrub the good and bad complaint section on the officials?

It does appear that they have PK’d that folder.

[Avaia]

It does appear that they have PK’d that folder.

I asked them to put back the Discussions with Simutronics folder a few nights ago, as I actually wanted to post something nice about a GH that did a really good job. The request has been completely ignored, so far. Not a "No," not an explanation, nada.

[Neveragain]

It does appear that they have PK’d that folder.

It makes me sad.

[Viekn]

I just want to say that having warnings follow a character rather than the account owner (via billing) is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen. It's like someone buying a used car that the previous owner had a DUI in it, and now the new owner has a DUI on their record too cause it follows the car. Makes no sense whatsoever.

If it didn’t, couldn’t someone who broke the rules simply transfer the character to another account the same person controls? Or do they track IP addresses to counter that?

[Ososis]

If it didn’t, couldn’t someone who broke the rules simply transfer the character to another account the same person controls? Or do they track IP addresses to counter that?

They sure could. More concerning to me is I could get a shit ton of warning on ToonA, pushing the limits of lockout for the account, assuming ToonB-X were of any value I could delete ToonA and sell this hot account as clean. The tool is great for personal use, but shouldn't be seen as "proof" of a clean account in a sales situation.

[dex]

It's far easier to track people via billing, as it's far more challenging to fake credit cards and payment accounts than other means of online identification. Character buying and selling happens all the time, it's one of the things that keeps this antique game on life support. For them to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

[Viekn]

It's far easier to track people via billing, as it's far more challenging to fake credit cards and payment accounts than other means of online identification. Character buying and selling happens all the time, it's one of the things that keeps this antique game on life support. For them to pretend otherwise is disingenuous.

You're an upstanding member of this community, as am I. I've probably bought 10 characters over the course of 4 years and re-sold them. What I mean is, I don't think this change really affects you or I much anyway, and probably effects less than 5% of the character buying/selling business overall. I very much agree with your position that the character buying/selling market keeps this game going to a point. I see this as only a way to strengthen that market though. The reason is this: In general, this is an RP game where characters interact with other characters constantly. Whoever ran a character from levels 0-40 may have violated a lot of rules and/or standard behavior expectations. If a person with good intentions starts to play the game and wants to buy a character, if the character they end up buying has some reputation because of the way the previous owner played them or broke the rules, it's not fair for the new owner to be handicapped because of that. Someone looking to play by the rules and honor the tradition of the game should be able to feel comfortable buying a character that they know doesn't have a sketchy past.

Maybe it is easier to track people via billing. I don't know, I'm not knowledgeable enough to really understand that. But if my name is Bob Smith, and I simply transfer the character to another account using a different email address and different credit card, but the name on the credit card is still Bob Smith, does Simu really have a way to prove that the old Bob Smith is the same Bob Smith with the different credit card number? Or what if someone is married and has a credit card under their spouses name? It just seems like there's a number of ways someone could circumvent tracking via billing as well.

[Taar]

And honestly, you could use ANY name you want and a credit card in your name. When you charge a credit card, it doesn't verify your name. It would likely do an address check and at least validate your zip code and more advanced your address but most places accept a card with a zip match and security # match. No clue how strict Simu's credit card processing is setup but I think it would be fairly easy to create a new account that's you but with mostly fake info. There are ways to generate credit cards for single/limited use online (www.privacy.com) and you could have a different credit card number for every account.



You're an upstanding member of this community, as am I. I've probably bought 10 characters over the course of 4 years and re-sold them. What I mean is, I don't think this change really affects you or I much anyway, and probably effects less than 5% of the character buying/selling business overall. I very much agree with your position that the character buying/selling market keeps this game going to a point. I see this as only a way to strengthen that market though. The reason is this: In general, this is an RP game where characters interact with other characters constantly. Whoever ran a character from levels 0-40 may have violated a lot of rules and/or standard behavior expectations. If a person with good intentions starts to play the game and wants to buy a character, if the character they end up buying has some reputation because of the way the previous owner played them or broke the rules, it's not fair for the new owner to be handicapped because of that. Someone looking to play by the rules and honor the tradition of the game should be able to feel comfortable buying a character that they know doesn't have a sketchy past.

Maybe it is easier to track people via billing. I don't know, I'm not knowledgeable enough to really understand that. But if my name is Bob Smith, and I simply transfer the character to another account using a different email address and different credit card, but the name on the credit card is still Bob Smith, does Simu really have a way to prove that the old Bob Smith is the same Bob Smith with the different credit card number? Or what if someone is married and has a credit card under their spouses name? It just seems like there's a number of ways someone could circumvent tracking via billing as well.