Tsins Load vs Real $$$$

[Mini-Spir]

Which would you rather have?

Tsins entire collection of goods, or the dollar value that it would bring from selling?

[bubbauno]

Good question. However since i'm WAY over 13m experience, I no longer need the amazing gear and can maintain with minimal equipment. Therefore the plamsa TV for sports events is much more beneficial in the long run.

Cash, wtf are you stupid?

[Nakiro]

Should be moved to General Gemstone.

Cash is always nice.

And death is dumb, no need to worry about dieing when you have 430 mana after decaying!

[StrayRogue]

Agreed. And he can't be accused of hording now either. Curious though, with that much exp, what do your skills look like?

[Edited on 16-2-05 by StrayRogue]

[hectomaner]

yeah, show us your skills

[Gizmo]

Get naked beotch!

[Keller]

Plasma TV -- or like any good businessman he realized it's time to liquidate a receeding investment.

I pity people who pay that much cash for some programming that will eventually be turned off.

[Soulpieced]

Yeah, even my skills gives me a gigantic edge even over someone who's just turned 100. I've been selling my silvers for GOA. Nothing like having a year and a half worth of Gemstone paid off in advance.

[Insodus]

You pay money to go to a strip club don't you? What does that get you in the long run? Nothing. Same thing here.

Greezy strip clubs get you teh l41D

- Arkans

[Insodus]

There's no sex in the champagne room.... rememeber that.

[Slingblade]

Not true...sometimes.

[Sylph]

I dunno about you but ive taken home strippers from their clubs... and that made me a hero in friend's eyes...


Huhu!

[Asha]

There should be another category. .

<--- Tick here if you would prefer the life you missed out on while obtaining such 'riches'.


:fu::fu::fu::fu::fu:

[Asha]

Also, I'd pay anything for Tsins load.

:whistle:

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by Drayal
Also, I'd pay anything for Tsins load.

:whistle:


:lol2: :lol2:

looks like tsin has a secret admirer

[Asha]

Ummm . . could you please make your avatar go away?

[hectomaner]

you can just set it so you dont see avatars

[StrayRogue]

Using the same logic - Why play GS at all? Or why life, in fact? Theres always someone better, smarter, quicker, stronger, richer etc.

[Syberus]

Oh oh I know I know! Because it's fun

[Asha]

Christ.
I'm going to hold my breath till I die, in that case Stray.
I know you're right too.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

More skills?
Being the best there is?
He likes repetitious tasks?
He has a bet that he'll be the first to 30m xp?
Maybe he doesn't think like you do?
Maybe you shouldn't care that he does it?

[Soulpieced]

The gear he has is worth far less now than what he bought it for and the way GSIV is today it is quite easy to reach level 100 using very basic gear. I was just asking if there was a point to having 13mil+ exp. or if perhaps he enjoyed hunting the same thing over and over again for little or no reward.

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That is completely false, as comparing him to someone just turning level 100 is like comparing a level 10 PC to someone who is 50 in terms of relative power. In other words, having post 100 exp is quite ridiculous. Plus, the reward for hunting in OTF is an enormous amount of silver, and hunting becomes easier and easier with more TPs and better applicable skills.

[Soulpieced]

And just to give you an idea, I could get 50 spells with the experience difference between Tsin and I. I am also WELL beyond level 100. Those extra 50 spells could give me a CS on par with most sorcerers hunting in OTF, on top of taking my pseudo-dodge ranks over 200.

[Asha]

I had Tenchu on playstation when I was 19.
I played it everyday and totally :heart: it.
Then one day I cheated and became a god with infinite everything and found after the initial excitement of being able to pwne everything in the game. .
It was fucking boring being god.

[Soulpieced]

Note I said relative power. I have died 3 times in OTF over the past year, and I'm sure Tsin's track record is similar if not less. Nobody else who hunts there has a creature to PC death ratio anywhere near either of us. Hell, even Malok and Drizzsdt die more than Tsin or I due to gear. I am not talking about relative power in terms of CvC battles, but hunting ability. Comparing me with any of the bards in their high 90's in OTF is like them hunting rats at level 1 and me being level 10. There is an enormous difference, but it is in the sheer amount of extra abilities that makes a character more powerful vs. a cookie cutter with which most game balance is designed around.

[Edited on 2-27-2005 by Soulpieced]

[Soulpieced]

I am simply saying it doesn't seem like a whole lot of reward for so much time/effort invested.

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Being 3x in dodge, 2x shield, 2x armor use, and a 10x DB is probably the difference in at LEAST 100-150 striaght DS plus EBP bonuses between Tsin and a cookie cutter rogue just turning 100. That is certainly a considerable reward.

[Edited on 2-27-2005 by Soulpieced]

[Edaarin]

For sheer comparison purposes...

My highest level character was the same profession as Tsin (rogue). When I last checked he was level 86, and had something like 6.1 or 6.2 million experience. For simplicity purposes, lets assume that's 1/2 of Tsin's experience.

Sure, I could pick, disarm, and hunt...but by the time I capped, I would only be at

2x disarm
Only 4 spells
2x dodging
2x hiding
No trading
Only one weapon skill
No MOC
No MIU
Minimal harness power

Every million exp = 400/400 TP's. To put that into perspective, to go from 2x to 3x dodging at the cap requires 800/400 TP's. That's what, 1.5 mill or so experience just to get one more skill up to tripled, and there's a huge difference between a 2x'er and 3x'er.

Heck, it'd take a million exp to go from 2x disarm to 3x disarm, and there are OTF boxes that a lot of tripled elves couldn't get with disarm lore up.

EDIT: Then again, assuming he earned 30 exp at every single pulse, he's also spent roughly 900 work shifts (read: 8 hour days) getting to 13m exp, not including down time to just fuck around or the hundreds of hours to do guild work...

<-- has wasted about 1/2 a whole year of his life on Gemstone.

[Edited on 2-27-2005 by Edaarin]

[Sylph]

Heh... I still want to see Tsin's skills...



and now... Soulpieced's skills as well! :grin:

[Edaarin]

3x dodging
2x CM
2x OHE
2x TWC
1x armor
3x hide
1x MOC
2x ambush
1x PT

8/4, 12/15, 6/3, 6/6, 5/0, 7/7, don't even remember what MOC is, 3/6, 3/0...

...but that plan right there is 50/41 right there. Not taking into account perception, tertiary skills, etc...I don't know one OTF rogue that looks like that.

[Latrinsorm]

To max Shield, Dodge, CM, Edged, MoC, Ambush, PF, and get 140 ranks in Armor, a rogue needs 78/28 per level over 100 levels.

MoC is 10/3.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Ryenn


Considering the fact that we were discussing hunting prowess only, it is quite possible to make a rogue who would be nearly on par with Tsin, hunting wise, without that much exp (I know of at least 1 rogue with nearly maxed (useful) combat skills at a little more than half of Tsin's exp).



Totally wrong. Theres a big difference, considering with the points Tsin has, he could probably have 425 maxed, let alone Dodge, CM, MOC, PT and all other combat related skills.

[Edaarin]

The ONLY rogue I can think of that *might* have that kind of training is Atlanteax.

Who does very well hunting wise, yes, but he also hunts with a capped wizard.

[StrayRogue]

Oh yeah I doubt he has that many ranks Edaarin. I was merely demonstrating how someone with Tsin's exp could easily out-power the virgin capped rogue.

[Edaarin]

Oh, I wasn't directing that comment at your post prior to mine, it was more at the identity of the capped rogue Ryenn is referring to.

[Soulpieced]

Redux is far far far inferior to straight DS plus the EBP system.

[StrayRogue]

Lets see, 2x PT plus a shit load of tertiary skills = HIGH REDUX. Minus 1x spells = HIGH REDUX. How do you think high level rangers survive? With no redux? Hell, Stunseed has like 60% last I heard at 50, being fully singled in spells.

Anyway, HIGH REDUX + Uber plate armor + a DS that will result in you getting hit for hardly anything anyway = NICE.

[StrayRogue]

Then you'd be wrong.

[Soulpieced]

And that's what my argument was, level 100 is NOT level 100.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Ryenn

The example I will use is Malok in GSIII. At level 265 Malok was virtually untouchable by anyone unless he was lying down and unarmed. He had a 100% chance of warding anyone in the game and would be absolutely, totally, unkillable by anyone with half, or even 3/4 of his exp. He would also be absolutely, totally unkillable in any hunting area in GSIII under any reasonable circumstance.


He had a 99% of warding anyone.
He could be killed by any sorc with the implosion spell, any ranger with Spike Thorn.

While I get your point, I feel you lack the perspective needed to make a proper judgement on the matter.

[Soulpieced]

Even at level 100 with 999 billion exp you can be killed - by another PC or in OTF or similar hunting area. That is what I mean by level 100 is level 100.

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Again, that is grossly incorrect. If I were to be fully 2x'd in spells along with full 2x in shield use, my DS would be approximately 70 higher than it is now. Considering that my self-cast DS currently is 541, I don't imagine any physical attacks could come near hitting me, on top of the equivalent of 250 dodge ranks with an enormous blocking bonus for using a tower shield that has the evade bonus of a buckler. It sure as hell DOES make you that much better than someone else who is "just 100". You are lacking perspective and the sheer amount of TPs involved in being fully trained in all applicable combat skills.

[StrayRogue]

In GS3, giving someone 100000 coins then spike thorning meant death. Even at Malok's level.

What I mean by perspective is you can't know until you've tried it. In this instance OTF.

[StrayRogue]

Even though I disagree as I know what a few million of experience would do to my cleric, since when has the game and degree's of power ever been about PvP?

[StrayRogue]

I know because you're saying there is no relative difference in power from level 100 and level 100 + 13 mills worth of experience.

[StrayRogue]

And PvP is? PvP in GS boils down to who goes first. Considering Sorcerers have a spell that can kill anyone at pretty much any level, PVP is no where near a decent enough grade to measure a character on.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

yeah... like implode
LOTS of training required for that!

[Syberus]

Not terribly important... But Atlanteax and said Capped Wizard are now both on the same account since they capped to my knowledge

[Fallen]

The right gear can bring your DS out of the range of any player at any time, thus giving you a sizable advantage in CvC/PvP.

The right gear can ensure you have little to no encumbrance at all times, giving you an advantage against Maneuver based attacks.

The right gear can provide you with enough damage/crit padding to drastically reduce the damage done to you by many different kinds of attacks.

For someone like Malok, he could be in god armor with incredible padding, be heavily trained in dodging and combat maneuvers, wear enough DB items to bring his DS out of the range of any player no matter what his status.

That isn't counting unique items that unstun you, give you back health, transport you away to a sanctuary type environment, ect.

These items can all allow you to hunt faster, gaining you more power. At the same time, they have the direct benefit of protecting you better than those of like-level PCs.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Note I said relative power. I have died 3 times in OTF over the past year, and I'm sure Tsin's track record is similar if not less. Nobody else who hunts there has a creature to PC death ratio anywhere near either of us. Hell, even Malok and Drizzsdt die more than Tsin or I due to gear. I am not talking about relative power in terms of CvC battles, but hunting ability. Comparing me with any of the bards in their high 90's in OTF is like them hunting rats at level 1 and me being level 10. There is an enormous difference, but it is in the sheer amount of extra abilities that makes a character more powerful vs. a cookie cutter with which most game balance is designed around.

[Edited on 2-27-2005 by Soulpieced]

I believe I've only died once or twice solo hunting OTF in the past year.

[OreoElf]

Real load... RL stuff is always better than game stuff to me.. I cant believe people charge or pay that much for this stuff...

[IntegraC]

While I agree that post cap experience is nice to give your character the extra skills that may make you more unique, anyone with half a brain, and some knowledge on how to hunt can get to cap, and be quite as effective, without any of that uber gear.

My character, along with a friend who hunt the same area, OTF, hunt there like we're hunting kobolds. I personally have basic gear, no higher than 5x on my weapon and my friend has a 10x shield and a crit padded armor. Every time I see 'So and So just bit the dust!', and I know they're an OTF hunter, and last I saw them was a few minutes ago in OTF, makes me wonder just what the hell they are doing, and how the even got to be this level.

I'll put together a list of people who I see who hunt the main OTF, and I'll put them in order of how frequent they die, based on the amount of deaths I see every day. It may not be nearly as accurate, since I'm not logged in for more than 6hrs a day, but I can guarantee you that there's plenty of post cap people who die.

Yah, Soulpieced and Tsin may not die as much, but I bet there's a decent number of people who are not capped who do fairly well. While they may have nice DS, or nice dodge, I'll have to agree with Ryenn that you don't have to be post capped to be super powerful.

I'll post a list later, I need to check some logs and such.

Edited to add the list in no particular order. But as you can see, about 20 people off that list I know are capped. And out of that list, I'm sure anyone who pays attention to the deaths can pick out the people who die the most, and a good number of those deaths are of capped people.

Sadrae
Drizzsdt
Nakiro
Faegil
Boomsplat
Joloven
Atlanteax
Odysia
Vrannar
Virilneus
Bonehitter
Soulpieced
Tsin
Wizip
Syberus
Chazym
Wizip
Windi
Darwar
Fizzan
Kyrolyn
Eiderfleur
Sunnan
Doppelganger
Jullius
Menos
Wintersin
Medi
Chica
Porcell
Baeryl
Nevets
Barachado
Murp
Sepher
Askip
Lucos

[Edited on 2-28-2005 by IntegraC]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Note I said relative power. I have died 3 times in OTF over the past year, and I'm sure Tsin's track record is similar if not less. [Edited on 2-27-2005 by Soulpieced]

Oh brother. The hunting ground is pathetically easy, and there is nothing to brag about there. I find it amusing that you are now bragging that you have the best track record hunting there...when you whined like a bitch for months on end back in GS3 when the area was actually an exciting and difficult hunt. "Please downtweak griffin's call wind, bards are underpowered, etc." "Look at this hit, if I can't survive it in my 0x super armor, no one can..." ad nauseum on the OTF boards.

The area is easy as hell to hunt. It WAS difficult in GS3, when there was a 40 level range of critters in the area (105-145) -- and when it was difficult you cried like a girl and begged for uptweaks for your class and downtweaks to the critters--MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

[Fallen]

Looking at that list, I cannot see how they have trouble justifying new high level hunting grounds. Thank god they are actually coming to their senses.

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by IntegraC

Sadrae
Drizzsdt
Nakiro
Faegil
Boomsplat
Joloven
Atlanteax
Odysia
Vrannar
Virilneus
Bonehitter
Soulpieced
Tsin
Wizip
Syberus
Chazym
Wizip
Windi
Darwar
Fizzan
Kyrolyn
Eiderfleur
Sunnan
Doppelganger
Jullius
Menos
Wintersin
Medi
Chica
Porcell
Baeryl
Nevets
Barachado
Murp
Sepher
Askip
Lucos

[Edited on 2-28-2005 by IntegraC]

poor nakiro, i bet he dies more than anyone on that list

[Ardwen]

ya mean more then everyone on the list combined right?

Ardwen

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by Ardwen
ya mean more then everyone on the list combined right?

Ardwen

yeah, i was trying to be nice, however, i was thinking that, just didnt say it

[Ardwen]

Bah! Screw nice, nice guys finish last and they probably dont get laid either.


Ardwen

Nothing like taking advantage of a girl passed out on roofies!

- Arkans

[IntegraC]

There's probably like at least 10-20 more people who belong on that list who I'm sure I missed.

[Edaarin]

<------

However, I was underhunting by a fair amount...I think I started around level 82 or 83 or so when the Aqueduct got boring as shit. Needless to say, I averaged about a death every 5 or so trips....

[Soulpieced]

I will have a reasonable chance of killing your character in any given instance, no matter how much exp. you manage to accumulate by that time.

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Sorry, you lose.

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[Soulpieced]

Don't try to pull the CMANs or guild skills argument either. I have max swiftkick, feint, and sweep, plus I can't be disarmed. Your move detective.

[Edited on 2-28-2005 by Soulpieced]

[Sylph]

I'd rather have Soulpieced's char and loot than Tsin... IMO


(even though Tsin has more loot value)

~Andiago

[IntegraC]

Well I'm sure that having like a 1% chance to have 401 cast on makes you so uber. Do you get the same protection from implode, spike, boil, etc?

And like it has been stated, OTF is a pie walk for anyone who knows how to hunt. How is your posting that you can not be cast at make all your post cap hunting hours meaningfull?

Like I said..post cap exp is only icing on the cake. All the extra skills you picked up don't make you such a better hunter, since without them, I'm sure you'd do the same. You're a bard, you don't need the CS of a sorc. Is it nice? Yah. But when you first hit cap your AS was max, and I'm sure it hasn't changed much. I still say that they only are an icining on a cake, something not necessary.

Edited to add that when I get to cap, I'll probably keep hunting for icing over my skills as well.

[Edited on 2-28-2005 by IntegraC]

[Soulpieced]

Well I'm sure that having like a 1% chance to have 401 cast on makes you so uber. Do you get the same protection from implode, spike, boil, etc?

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Yes, all spells are treated equal by song of noise. The point I was trying to prove is that Chaz is 100. Thus all level 100 PCs will have like success in a PvP environment which Ryenn says is oh so equal. No other bards have anywhere near as many spell ranks as I do. In regards to other points, my CM is nowhere near maxed currently. I have damn near 2x lores, and a lot more than the expectancy for spells.

[Edited on 2-28-2005 by Soulpieced]

[Sylph]

I think Soulpieced should bring back Debonaire! We want Deb! We want Deb!

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Don't try to pull the CMANs or guild skills argument either. I have max swiftkick, feint, and sweep, plus I can't be disarmed. Your move detective.Tackle, bullrush, warcry, sbash, scharge, charge, headbutt, hamstring, twinhamm, garrotte, cutthroat. :)

Also, if you're nowhere near maxed in CM and you only have CMAN feint, I wouldn't be too confident about being able to survive a Wtricks master's feint (especially once wspec and bonding are thrown in).

[Soulpieced]

You are now in an offensive stance.
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Drizzsdt feints low, but you aren't fooled for a second.

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Not going to get much of a DS decrease with a 150 final roll.

Debonaire is an Ogre Battle rip-off. That's all I thought of when I saw that name. :(

- Arkans

[Soulpieced]

Mind enlightening all of us what this all-powerful profession it is you claim that at level 50 can kill me with no problems?

[StrayRogue]

Er SP, Feint just drops the target to Offensive Stance + RT. Plus you get a greater defense against it in Offensive. Try the same thing in defensive/guarded.

[Soulpieced]

I did, was a 53 point difference as well.

[StrayRogue]

The way I see it is like this: Hunting OTF makes me money. Quite a bit of money. The extra exp makes hunting OTF easier over time. Easier hunting means I make money faster. And so on.

[Soulpieced]

Again, would you feel free to enlighten us all on what cheap tactics you wish to employ? Giving a character money (implode, spikethorn, etc.) isn't exactly a viable PvP tool.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Giving a character money (implode, spikethorn, etc.) isn't exactly a viable PvP tool. Especially with flag refusesilvers.

It's mind-boggling to me that Drizzsdt (who has got to be fully 2x in CM and is a Master in tricks) only has a 53 margin. The only thing I can guess is CM doesn't factor in and dodge does? It seems unlikely that he wouldn't have wspec and bonding. BTW, a pair of 140's is all one needs to put the target in stance offensive, from what I hear.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Ryenn


Silvers are nice too but again, it is quite easy to make it to the cap and beyond using very basic gear.



Half the fun for me is using and testing new and cool items. I'm sure thats the same for alot of people. And why handicap yourself with basic gear when you can get nicer stuff.

As for better time/money ration, when I cash hunt I may not make much, but I just have to sit. Not type, not expend mental or physical power or anything. I tend to read, post, play my guitar or watch a film when I'm cash hunting. Those things I cannot do at Macky'D's

[StrayRogue]

Dodge doesn't have to do with Feint. CM, Age, and a few other minor factors do. Because they are the same age (this goes along way in backing up Ryenn's argument), the chances of are relatively even. I'd bet Drizzsdt would have a better margin for succes if SP was level 90, fully 2x in CM, than he would if SP was 100, with 1x in CM.

[Artha]

You can keep song of noise up 24/7. Good luck giving people enough money to seriously encumber them 24/7.

[Soulpieced]

I was only posting the feint in reference to someone saying you can't stand up to a warrior feint. I have better gear than Drizz does, but he could probably find a way to kill me. There is no way any level 50 PC could find a character way (non-item related) to kill me in a structured dueling environment. Now, if you would care to elicit and tell us what magical ways you propose someone who's level 50 could kill me, I am more than willing to test and prove you wrong instead of spurting your opinions vs. my personal experience.

[Edited on 2-28-2005 by Soulpieced]

[StrayRogue]

How about...

>put armor in disk
You put your platemail armor in you disk.
>dismiss disk
>720

?

[Soulpieced]

Open implosion does not fall under the category of structured PvP dueling.

[StrayRogue]

Then I agree with you.

[IntegraC]

If song of noise is cheap in PvP, are you saying implosion is any less cheaper? Or boil, or spike?

[Soulpieced]

There is a difference between possibly killing everyone in the room (spectators/passerby/etc.) and possibly side rooms. It is in the same category as meteor swarm as one of the bullshit no-skill attacks.

[Soulpieced]

And there's a huge difference between me casting a spell I know and attempting to give someone 100k or dropping 4 sets of plate on the ground to cast implosion, boil, spikethorn, or a kill-everyone spell like meteor swarm.

[StrayRogue]

I think we'd all like to know HOW your PC's and PC's 50 levels younger can kill SP. I don't think anyone will take the argument with any credance until you atleast tell us that much.

[Soulpieced]

That's what I've been trying to get at. I've already proven that pures will not be able to cast through a song of noise, which is the first thing going up in any duel against a spellcaster. And I indicated my defense against CMANs and guildskills, on top of my self-cast offensive DS which is higher than my OWN AS, so I highly doubt a rogue or warrior could do any damage as well. You keep posting your arguments with no examples. I have provided concrete evidence that a level 100 warrior would have little success with a guild skill, and a level 100 wizard tripled in spells could not cast through my noise with more than a 5% success rate.

[StrayRogue]

Unless they used the Plate Implosion trick (mechanics abuse), or the silver Spike Thorn (mechanics abuse) or meteor swarm, there is no way a pure or ANYONE 50 levels below SP with basic gear could kill him. At 95, a pure could, purely due to CS vs TD I'm betting.

But if you can't post examples, why the hell are you arguining?

[StrayRogue]

So your argument about someone level 50 is full of shit then? Thanks for the clarification. Oh and for the record, my capped Cleric, cannot ward Tsin.

[Soulpieced]

Your sad argument makes no sense. Why would I drop a spell that completely incapacitates any spell from being cast? Mine is much stronger than any other bards, so no, a level 100 bard with the "average" in each circle will have nowhere near the same success rate. There is a difference between smart hunting and dueling tactics, and being a fucking idiot and not expecting someone to drop stuff on the ground an cast implode, or knowing that I can be warded fairly easily by a spirit or sorcerer circle spell. And yes, I could easily say go ahead and cast implode or use any other cheap tactic, because it won't do you any good.

Your argument holds zero weight, you lose, good day sir. Please post concrete examples and I will gladly try them out, only to prove you wrong. But your constant non-backed opinion holds zero (0) weight

[StrayRogue]

Nope. My CS is pretty decent. Nor will I ever be able to hit the 800+ offensive DS of his. But please keep posting BS without any form of example or proof to it.

[StrayRogue]

It doesn't prove how a level 50 sorc or cleric could kill him though.

[Fallen]

It doesn't prove how a level 50 sorc or cleric could kill him though.>>

A sorcerer could only use implosion with fodder, or open imploding after a stun to do so. Using that whole double dispel would do absolutely nothing.

A cleric? hehe. I guess they could commune and pray for a miracle.

[StrayRogue]

You've proven nothing! How many fucking times do we have to say this?

[IntegraC]

Not 100% sure on Tsin's TD, but from passing him in OTF and glancing at creatures casting at him, last I saw his TD was around high 380s.

As for him having 800 offensive DS, haven't see a DS check on him, so I dunno, but I can't see DS getting that high unless he has a shitload of DBs on plus 919 and 140 on top of whatever other spells.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Fallen
It doesn't prove how a level 50 sorc or cleric could kill him though.>>

A sorcerer could only use implosion with fodder, or open imploding after a stun to do so.

That is true, stunning him would be the problem. Using fodder is mechanics abuse.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by IntegraC
Not 100% sure on Tsin's TD, but from passing him in OTF and glancing at creatures casting at him, last I saw his TD was around high 380s.

As for him having 800 offensive DS, haven't see a DS check on him, so I dunno, but I can't see DS getting that high unless he has a shitload of DBs on plus 919 and 140 on top of whatever other spells.

He told me that his TD was around thr 470 mark. Plus the nice cva of his armor, that alot of TD.

[IntegraC]

Yah, I can see him having that TD with a bunch of TD adders off of imbeds. From my glance at his TD in OTF though it looks like he doesn't get spelled up to the gills anymore then.

[StrayRogue]

Self-cast alkars for a rogue is sweet.

[Soulpieced]

Just had a 76 rogue and 56 cleric team up against me. Pretty much made both of them cry. Note this attack is with madness and 117 up. The cleric could come nowhere near warding me, and had to resort to dispeling a few times, and was pretty much useless. I did absolutely nill to defend myself, and that one attack warrants a lot of recovery time (since his normal 1 swing AS is 467).

.

Atreau leaps from hiding to attack!
Atreau swings a reptilian rolaren waraxe at you!
AS: +592 vs DS: +541 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +63 = +151
... and hits for 11 points of damage!
Diagonal slash to your weapon arm.
Strike misses but bruises a few knuckles.

Edited to add so much for that level 50 nonsense.

[Edited on 2-28-2005 by Soulpieced]

[StrayRogue]

Atreau is a pussy.

[IntegraC]

The only way I can see his TD being around 470 is with these spells.

Selfcast: 101, 107, 120, 401, 406, 414, 430, and then off of items: 219, 508, 310, 313, 613, 712, 913.

Actually with those spells he could get his TD closer to 500, spirit anyway.

[Sylph]

You know how a level 50 something could kill Soulpieced?


THE ONLY WAY(without that unbalance eye) is with a damn club... while he slept... IRL.


Period.

[Soulpieced]

Regardless, I did absolutely nothing to defend myself. Rogues are very easily taken out of hiding with 410 (or 435 if I want to be mean). The cleric could do absolutely nothing to me. And like I said, the rogue after that (worthless) 10 point hit fell victim to about 1 minute worth of RT from feints and sweeps which took me approximately 5 seconds to pull off.

Now, I can pull off the same thing to any profession since I have that 1 second feint RT, and nobody else is going to be hiding. Putting up noise would also negate the 117 he cast, and just make the duel even more pointless. I also discovered I can cast through my own noise on occasion, so that leverages things my way even further.

[StrayRogue]

A spellless rogue, in plate can muster about 388 TD at the cap.

[IntegraC]

>>A spellless rogue, in plate can muster about 388 TD at the cap.

How? My rogue who is in 95 has a 338TD spellless, add another 15TD for getting to cap and that's 353.

[StrayRogue]

Have your appropriate stats maxxed. Hmmm, perhaps the numbers on the boards were wrong, however it will differ from race to race. Plus you have the ability to gain 55 TD self-cast, not including 430, the only spell being a pain to get would be alkars, which Tsin and a number of rogues (pre and post cap) have.

[Sylph]

Bathhouse Magic for +20 td... and Cman Focus? for +10?

[StrayRogue]

I forgot about those as well.

[StrayRogue]

Why hunt to 100 at all then, using your skewed view on thing?

We've still yet to see evidence of how SP could be killed using none-mechanics abuse tactics, however.

[StrayRogue]

And I would like to know how my rogue at 100 could kill Tsin if his offensive in a combat situation is higher than any possible AS that could be reached.

[Latrinsorm]

Soulpieced, has anyone capped ever used one of the newer CMAN on you?

[Syberus]

So 500 TD with a -21 CvA puts him in wardable range for "normal" just capped players? Are you fucking retarded?

[Soulpieced]

No, haven't seen any of the new CMANs.

[Syberus]

Just for clarification's sake.. A capped Dark Elf Sorcerer that was 3x in spells and had optimized CS has I think roughly 540 or so CS. That gives him an impressive 19% chance to ward that aforementioned TD. I don't think being fully 3x in spelled is considered "normal" for people who just capped.

[Syberus]

I guess your Sorcerer could be fully 3x spells.. if you had no spell aim, shit lores and crappy phyiscal skills, maybe even just 24 ranks of both mana controls. That doesn't seem like that'd be real fun though. I would hardly bank on a 19% chance to hit him considering if you miss you won't get another chance anyway before he lobs your head off for you

[Fallen]

The fact that you'd have a 19% chance means that it is possible to kill him. >>

Chance to ward and chance to kill wouldn't be equal in this situation. It will certainly raise the percentage above zero, but wouldn't be a straight 19% to win. Hitting with any spell 101 endroll besides possibly torment will not do much good.

[Syberus]

I just don't understand why you would ever make the statement as to yours being "normal" circumstances, that's all.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Atreau leaps from hiding to attack!
Atreau swings a reptilian rolaren waraxe at you!
AS: +592 vs DS: +541 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +63 = +151
... and hits for 11 points of damage!
Diagonal slash to your weapon arm.
Strike misses but bruises a few knuckles.


SP: If my character could make that much AS, (he's off by about 100 points) he could easily kill Soulpieced. Two-handed weapon with a higher AvD to a bards head would most likely kill you in one shot, if not, you'd be stunned long enough to take out.



Originally posted by StrayRogue
I think we'd all like to know HOW your PC's and PC's 50 levels younger can kill SP. I don't think anyone will take the argument with any credance until you atleast tell us that much.


My character has killed three capped characters in duels and he's not level 50, granted they were casters which are much easier to take out, but it's still worth mentioning. Unless someone is generating near 600DS in offensive or more they are not going to live from an ambush by your rogue or my ranger (if/when they are capped).




I'm quite positive that my two-handed ranger could take out Soulpieced if he was level 95. If SP is running song of noise he hides, stalks, rubs a blue crystal, kills him via ambush. If he's not running song of noise it's just a contest to see who casts/CMs first, but as long as I get off spike-thorn he's stunned unless I fumble (I assume Soulpieced has uber-padded armour, so that's why he's not dead, just stunned).

[Sylph]

Just assume this is a duel... self-cast only... Song of Noise is up.


How do you kill Soulpieced? Really?




Anyone can happen upon and kill anyone else basically just standing around minding his own business. Hell... My sylph warrior at level 30 or so... killed Neimanz who was 120+ at the time. Of course... Neimanz forgot to wear his armor... hehehe

[StrayRogue]

Well if thats SP's DS, then yes, like level I'd easily kill him. Depending if I went first of course. But thats how stupid PvP in GS is about. Its got nothing to do with measuring the worth of any character.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Sylph
Just assume this is a duel... self-cast only... Song of Noise is up.


How do you kill Soulpieced? Really?


Well, I just said how in my post above you:




I'm quite positive that my two-handed ranger could take out Soulpieced if he was level 95. If SP is running song of noise he hides, stalks, rubs a blue crystal, kills him via ambush.

[StrayRogue]

Chances are, at our level Drew, he'd EBP us.

[Drew]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Its got nothing to do with measuring the worth of any character.


Agreed. On the other hand I think the point Ryenn was trying to make was that in GSIII a character with half as much experience would have almost NO chance of killing them whereas if my character had half as much experience as Soulpieced he would have a pretty good chance against him (especially if they were equally equipped, but even given my current equipment vs. Soulpieced's equipment I'm quite positive that I could win 50% of duels against him the day my character capped).

[Soulpieced]

And look at all the effort it takes for everyone to have to develop to attempt to have 1 shot at killing me. Yet even though Ryenn claims I have no relative power vs. anyone else who's 100, I can just cast 1 spell of my choice and dismantle anyone who's 90-100 in less than 8 seconds.

[Sylph]

I think that was SP's offensive defense... I could be mistaken...

[Drew]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Chances are, at our level Drew, he'd EBP us.



I don't think he has any ambush training, so it's pretty doubtful. I did some testing with a warrior with 202 dodge ranks and no ambushing skill and he only evaded my ranger about 15% of the time when ambushed (he was not running shield mastery).


But yeah, I wouldn't wager much money on your rogue or my ranger being able to beat SP at their current levels :grin:

[Drew]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
And look at all the effort it takes for everyone to have to develop to attempt to have 1 shot at killing me. Yet even though Ryenn claims I have no relative power vs. anyone else who's 100, I can just cast 1 spell of my choice and dismantle anyone who's 90-100 in less than 8 seconds.


Not quite, I don't know how you could effectively beat my two-handed ranger if he was 90-100. It'd just come down to first cast or first hide. That being said, Soulpieced has a pretty big advantage over casters because of song of noise. Keep in mind that in a duel you can't sing that spell until the duel starts and song of noise can take up to five seconds to come up so you are still vulnerable for 1-5 seconds.



Edited because of spelling error.

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Drew]

[Soulpieced]

Again, you're going off pure speculation. My AS is 540 constant self-cast. My offensive DS (the max you can get it pushed down without having the multi-opps system going into effect) is even higher than that. Saying oh I can rub a blue crystal and use madness doesn't hold any water. Bottom line dueling has absolutely no purpose in game and doesn't show shit, so I won't even bother going into a pissing contest when there is really no chance these people could survive.

[Soulpieced]

song of noise can take up to five seconds to come up so you are still vulnerable for 1-5 seconds.

.

No. Noise is instantaneous.

[Drew]

Well I agree that dueling doesn't prove anything, but you were the one who brought it up not me. Your point seemed to be that Soulpieced was nigh-invincible to people who had 'just capped' in a duel, whereas I have, IMO, shown that he is not. It doesn't take away from the fact that Soulpieced has more skills than the average capped character or is less likely to die while hunting than the average capped character.


PS: Your DS would be 490 if you took away the DB item.

[Soulpieced]

More for your viewing pleasure.

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You quietly whisper to Yactaevia, "Try casting blood burst at me a couple of times."
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
>'Keep casting
You say, "Keep casting."
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia asks, "Kay?"
>snick
You snicker.
>'Couple more if you don't mind
You say, "Couple more if you don't mind."
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area easily keeps the spell from working.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area causes the spell to fizzle.
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Yactaevia traces a sign that contorts in the air while she forcefully incants a dark invocation...
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Yactaevia gestures at you.
The disruption of the noise in the area causes the spell to fizzle.

[Edaarin]

For what it's worth, SP and I did some testing some months back. I had roughly a 1/30 shot of getting past his EBP at somewhere between level 80-85, but I could get the full DS pushdown.

EDIT: This is with a rogue using a small weapon fully doubled in ambush and tripled in hiding (at the time).

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Edaarin]

[Jonty]

It'd just come down to first cast or first hide.

If you hid first you'd lose, 'cause he can just e-wave while you're in RT.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
song of noise can take up to five seconds to come up so you are still vulnerable for 1-5 seconds.

.

No. Noise is instantaneous.



Do me a favour, sing it, then count how long until it pops up, you may just not notice how long it takes to effect the room. You start singing the song immediately but it takes the noise 1 to 5 seconds to fill the room. Walk around a little bit while singing it and you'll see what I mean. I figure you don't use it much in OTF so you probably forgot about this side-effect.

[Artha]

Not quite, I don't know how you could effectively beat my two-handed ranger if he was 90-100.
Disruption works on hidden characters. You'd probably be stunned, if not killed.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Jonty

It'd just come down to first cast or first hide.

If you hid first you'd lose, 'cause he can just e-wave while you're in RT.


Bards can't cast through their own song of noise, their spells fizzle too (with a similar chance of success as someone like leveled).




Originally posted by Edaarin
For what it's worth, SP and I did some testing some months back. I had roughly a 1/30 shot of getting past his EBP at somewhere between level 80-85, but I could get the full DS pushdown.

EDIT: This is with a rogue using a small weapon fully doubled in ambush and tripled in hiding (at the time).

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Edaarin]


I stand corrected. But I imagine the chances of success "just capped" are much higher.





Originally posted by Artha

Not quite, I don't know how you could effectively beat my two-handed ranger if he was 90-100.
Disruption works on hidden characters. You'd probably be stunned, if not killed.


Once again, I would only go into hiding if he sung song of noise, if he didn't I would just spike him, then it's a case of "first cast".

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Drew]

[StrayRogue]

Well, I can say this with certainty, if SP's offensive DS is 541, I could kill him at the cap. Hell, I can hit that now.

[Soulpieced]

Song of noise doesn't move for a few seconds while moving, it does however enact in the room sung instantaneously. Why I would be moving in a PvP duel setting...

[Jonty]

Bards can't cast through their own song of noise, their spells fizzle too (with a similar chance of success as someone like leveled).

You were talking about a duel. you said he couldn't cast noise until it started. He can chose to cast ewave first.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Jonty

Bards can't cast through their own song of noise, their spells fizzle too (with a similar chance of success as someone like leveled).

You were talking about a duel. you said he couldn't cast noise until it started. He can chose to cast ewave first.


Alright, put it this way, if I'm in the room with him and there is no song of noise, as soon as the duel starts I'm casting spike thorn, game over. If for some reason he has noise running and my cast of spike thorn is after this and fizzles, then I immediately go into hiding (of course he could rub an ewave imbeddible, but if imbeddibles are allowed I would be using my own).

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Drew]

[Edaarin]

You're comparing it to GS III now...?

[Drew]

RE: Ryenn's post



You do have to admit that Tsin/Drizzsdt/Soulpieced are at least say 25% more powerful than someone 'just capped'. The extra TPs can really mean a big power increase for semis and sqaures. I tend to think pures get less of a bonus TP for TP over cap.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Edaarin
You're comparing it to GS III now...?


That was his/her original point. That having twice as much experience in GSIV was far less valuable than it was in GSIII.

[Edaarin]

Why did this virtual dick measuring begin again anyway?

Not like half the people arguing in this thread are ever going to get to OTF without buying their way there.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Why did this virtual dick measuring begin again anyway?

Not like half the people arguing in this thread are ever going to get to OTF without buying their way there.


I don't know if your comments are directed at me, but I'll answer anyway. I could care less if my character could beat Soulpieced or not, it doesn't affect how I play him and how much I like him. On the other hand I think some of SP's claims were less than factual, which is why I pointed out that he could beat him, if he ever gets to OTF.

[Edaarin]

It was aimed at pretty much everyone who's been talking out of their ass without having hunted OTF or gotten past level 70.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Edaarin
It was aimed at pretty much everyone who's been talking out of their ass without having hunted OTF or gotten past level 70.


Well, I've never hunted OTF and I've never been past level 70 in GS IV but I don't see how that makes my points any less valid. I never made any observations about how well Soulpieced could hunt OTF, or anyone else.

[Soulpieced]

And my original claim was that we can hunt in the oldest hunting area in the game with a *very significant* success rate higher than anyone who just turns 100. This was never refuted and Ryenn went into a stupid PvP pissing contest off of speculation. I posted hard examples of me warding off spellcasters and CMANs vs. his "ideas, math, and opinions".

I understand that I can be killed by someone who just turns 100. HOWEVER, I can EASILY dispatch of any of them with an incredibly higher success rate without having to employ if/then tactics or crazy scenarios based off what I do. I cast lullabye, you have a 100% chance of dying with no ifs ands or buts. From the skills I have beyond base level 100, you (PC just at 100) do NOT have a fraction of that percentage of killing me in a head-to-head duel with that ease of effort.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
And my original claim was that we can hunt in the oldest hunting area in the game with a *very significant* success rate higher than anyone who just turns 100.


No doubt.



Originally posted by Soulpieced
I understand that I can be killed by someone who just turns 100. HOWEVER, I can EASILY dispatch of any of them with an incredibly higher success rate without having to employ if/then tactics or crazy scenarios based off what I do. I cast lullabye, you have a 100% chance of dying with no ifs ands or buts. From the skills I have beyond base level 100, you (PC just at 100) do NOT have a fraction of that percentage of killing me in a head-to-head duel with that ease of effort.


Hardly. You cast lullabye, I cast spike thorn, whoever gets it off first wins, period.

I do agree with your argument that PvP is not a good measure for how powerful a character you play. I disagree that Soulpieced would have any more than a 50/50 shot against mine.

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Drew]

[Soulpieced]

I can dodge spikethorn, you can't dodge a lullabye.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
I can dodge spikethorn, you can't dodge a lullabye.


Next time you see Odysia (who only has 60 ranger ranks last time I heard a few month ago) ask her to spike you and see what happens.

[Edaarin]

Because those mechanics you're familiar with go out the window for some reason at a certain level. The success rate for actually getting past an EBP goes waaaaaaaaaaaay down even if you're within 10 levels of someone once you get past a certain point.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Because those mechanics you're familiar with go out the window for some reason at a certain level. The success rate for actually getting past an EBP goes waaaaaaaaaaaay down even if you're within 10 levels of someone once you get past a certain point.


You're saying that at level 86 Edaarin would have a low rate of success on ambush against a fairly competent EBper who was also level 86?

[StrayRogue]

Well considering, despite evidence to prove so, that a level 50 character can kill a capped character, theres not much point training to 100.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd think a pure would ultimately get "better", because they could then single in CM's, Dodge, armor, weapons, etc.

[Soulpieced]

When compared to the general populace of "capped characters" however, I would not say that they are much more powerful, no.

.

And if you ever watched Tsin or I hunting in OTF vs. anyone else, you would see the difference. Thus comes your ignorance because you are saying that purely off speculation and no hard evidence of actually watching either of us hunt.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I'd think a pure would ultimately get "better", because they could then single in CM's, Dodge, armor, weapons, etc.

Nah, the semi's will rule eventually. Imagine, 2x in Weapon, shield, dodge, armor and CM. Then 2xed in spells. They'll have warrior AS's, with a sorcerers' CS/TD.

[Drew]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
I'd think a pure would ultimately get "better", because they could then single in CM's, Dodge, armor, weapons, etc.

Nah, the semi's will rule eventually. Imagine, 2x in Weapon, shield, dodge, armor and CM. Then 2xed in spells. They'll have warrior AS's, with a sorcerers' CS/TD.


My thoughts exactly. I figure that a fully maxed out bard is the most powerul then a ranger. After that I'm not sure, probably a warrior because they could (with a ridiculous amount of exp) get 140 and 435 plus have maxed combat skills.

[Edaarin]

Probably should have said that at 10 levels.

Success rate took a serious shot (empirically, probably looking at maybe a 60-70 percent hit rate) when it was against someone 5 levels higher.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Ryenn

The very fact that you can be killed with someone of half your exp. on a regular basis proves my point, sir.

Um, prove this.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Ryenn

Please show me where you ever "warded off" any spellcaster.

All I saw was you singing song of noise (which can be sung by any bard with the spell capability - regardless of level or exp.) and dodging one CMAN attack.




I think you've confused PC spellcasters with spellcasting critters. No regular critter in the game has the CS of Niqk or someone else who could potentially ward one of these high TD characters. I imagine Soulpieced has no problem warding any OTF monsters.

[Edaarin]

At gunpoint, I'd probably go with an empath at cap...

...just because game designers, in their vast wisdom, decided to tank everyone's TD against bone shatter, even though empaths can triple in spell.

[Soulpieced]

The very fact that you can be killed with someone of half your exp. on a regular basis proves my point, sir. No ideas, math, or opinions about it. It is a fact.

.

You then missed my log of a level 76 rogue and 57 cleric who could do nothing but scratch me with madness and a blue crystal?

[Soulpieced]

I have watched others hunt OTF as well as seen logs of others hunting OTF with absolutely no problems whatsoever with half of the exp. and 1/10 of the useless hunting gear.

.

Such as?

[Drew]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Ryenn

The very fact that you can be killed with someone of half your exp. on a regular basis proves my point, sir.

Um, prove this.


I think his/her point is that the fact that it's even mechanically possible proves his/her point (what sex are you Ryenn, so I can stop typing his/her). Whereas in the past a level 100 character would have 0 mechanical chance against a level 180 character (or whatever 2x exp of level 100 would have been in GS III).

On the other hand I think he/she doesn't quite have a grip on how hard some characters have it in OTF.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Ryenn

This is totally untrue. I have watched others hunt OTF as well as seen logs of others hunting OTF with absolutely no problems whatsoever with half of the exp. and 1/10 of the useless hunting gear.

*Mysterious voice* Theres a huge difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

[Slingblade]

Originally posted by Ryenn
My original question was simply to find the motivation behind spending that much time hunting the same thing - I apologize if it sounded like an insult.

I'm only speculating, but I would guess that the thousands of dollars he's made selling items/silver probably has something to do with it, plus the fact he has fun doing it. What's better than getting paid for doing something you enjoy doing?


The ONLY rogue I can think of that *might* have that kind of training is Atlanteax.

Who does very well hunting wise, yes, but he also hunts with a capped wizard.

Tsin also hunts with a capped wizard.. and a capped sorcerer.. and a pet empath by the barrier.. probably a pet gem purifier/loresinger somewhere too.

Not faulting him for it, just pointing it out.

[Jonty]

probably a warrior because they could (with a ridiculous amount of exp) get 140 and 435

I'd rather max out 425 while gaining DS from 430 that lasts more than 1 minute.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Jonty

probably a warrior because they could (with a ridiculous amount of exp) get 140 and 435

I'd rather max out 425 while gaining DS from 430 that lasts more than 1 minute.

I suppose they could do 125 and 475 (man that'd be a lot of exp.) since that's where the benefits max for both 425 and 430 I believe. On the other hand I know a few people who hunt in OTF and keep WoF running almost all the time.

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Drew]

[AnticorRifling]

I have enough mana now that I hunt running shields all the time so someone running walls behind the barrier doesn't suprise me. I love the DS boost of constant shields heh.

Back on topic I think I'd rather have the gear. Money I can make but in game I don't make silvers for shit so I don't have the toys that I'd like to play with.

[Sylph]

I doubt Ill ever cap... but if I do... Ill still be hunting a bit because I can't imagine just sitting around...

[Latrinsorm]

If I remember correctly, Malok continued to gain exp because he was trying to train in skills he needed to be good at future stuff and/or stuff that was implemented after he had been playing a long time. The time before reallocation.
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Nah, the semi's will rule eventually. Imagine, 2x in Weapon, shield, dodge, armor and CM. Then 2xed in spells. They'll have warrior AS's, with a sorcerers' CS/TD. Takes 7.5 million exp past cap, assuming that the character gets 50/50 per level on average for the first 100 and spends it on that stuff. Takes a little over 8 for bards. At 2000 exp/hour, 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, it would take 1 year, 3 months, 13 days, and 18 hours. :)

<-- loves math in every possible orifice

[Slingblade]

<-- loves math in every possible orifice

You like to get assbanged by math?

I agree with Ryenn that there's absolutely nothing in GS4 that can make up for actual levels past 100 that you can't gain anymore, no matter how much exp you rake in.

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Slingblade]

Slingblade just wants Tsin's load.

- Arkans

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Arkans]

[Latrinsorm]

Although I meant it in the transitive sense, the receptomological sense is also acceptable.

edit: p.s: that was a neat picture you posted. I wonder why it was all small-like, though.

[Edited on 3-1-2005 by Latrinsorm]

[Fallen]

* Tsin just bit the dust!
>time
Today is Day of the Huntress, day 4 of the month Charlatos in the year 5105. It is 18:27 by the elven time standard. It is currently late afternoon.

[Xcalibur]

Anyone that want the loot to the money is a total idiot.

You will never know what will happen with the FRAGILE compagny known as play.net AFTER the release of their graphic (hahah so contradictory) mmorpg.

Merchants, beware.

[Slingblade]

Speaking of HJ...are they REALLY planning on running that game with "volunteer" GMs like they do with GS?

In other words, is Whatley seriously gonna try and get a free ride running his "revolutionary" graphical MMORPG for free?