MGM Resorts International sues more than 1,000 victims from Las Vegas mass shooting

[RichardCranium]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mgm-resorts-international-sues-more-than-1000-victims-from-las-vegas-mass-shooting-denying-any-liability/ar-AAAbjsV?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=DELLDHP


MGM Resorts International claimed in a new lawsuit that it has no liability in any of the injuries or deaths in the October mass shooting in Las Vegas.

The company, which owns Mandalay Bay and the Route 91 Harvest festival venue, argued that its security vendor took all necessary precautions, approved by the Department of Homeland Security, for “protecting against and responding to acts of mass injury and destruction,” according to the suit acquired by the Las Vegas Review-Journal (https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/).

MGM sued more than 1,000 victims of the shooting.

“I’ve never seen a more outrageous thing, where they sue the victims in an effort to find a judge they like,” attorney Robert Eglet, who represented some of the victims, told the Review-Journal (https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/), accusing MGM of “judge-shopping” in federal court, rather than state court where he believes any lawsuits should be filed. “It’s just really sad that they would stoop to this level.”

Stephen Paddock, 64, opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel into the crowd at the Route 91 Harvest music festival last year, killing 58 people and leaving more than 850 injured.

[Astray]

All their social media accounts are being flooded with disgust, rightfully so.

[RichardCranium]

All their social media accounts are being flooded with disgust, rightfully so.

I understand that their lawyers have to do what they feel is best, but at what point do the optics of suing shooting victims outweigh protecting your wealth?

[Astray]

There's obviously ambulance chasers that convince people they deserve money, I have no problem with those people having their cases thrown out or having the company counter sue. I want to think that's what this is but you've also gotta consider that if any true victims in that bundle of 1k, that's rough.

Shitty response either way, man.

[RichardCranium]

There's obviously ambulance chasers that convince people they deserve money, I have no problem with those people having their cases thrown out or having the company counter sue. I want to think that's what this is but you've also gotta consider that if any true victims in that bundle of 1k, that's rough.

Shitty response either way, man.

This is true. Looking back at the wording in the article, it states that the company is suing "1000 victims" and then goes on to state that there were 58 killed and 850 injured, so there is definitely some gray area in there.

[Astray]

I guess I need to look over the case and the specific reasons? I doubt they'd put "Bitch be a liar" on a filing, though.

[Methais]

What are they even suing them over?

[Astray]

Betting damages, trauma, the usual.

[Methais]

Betting damages, trauma, the usual.

Yeah but...how is that any of the victims fault?

[cwolff]

This is true. Looking back at the wording in the article, it states that the company is suing "1000 victims" and then goes on to state that there were 58 killed and 850 injured, so there is definitely some gray area in there.

There must be more than 1000 people who can make a claim. The families of everyone killed and injured would have some standing to sue along with anyone at the concert who experienced trauma. I understand that MGM is trying to get ahead of this. Their survival may be at stake. It is definitely a bad look but I doubt they have a choice.

[Astray]

Yeah but...how is that any of the victims fault?

It's not. Nobody but the shooter is at fault, in my opinion. I'm willing to bet this was a response to a slew of lawsuits from people that had a lawyer talking in their ear about how a payday is just around the corner and they wouldn't dare fight it because the backlash and blah blah blah.

Whether MGM goes ahead with the lawsuits is another issue entirely. Right now it's all just a shitty situation made worse because lawyers got involved.

[Methais]

It's not. Nobody but the shooter is at fault, in my opinion. I'm willing to bet this was a response to a slew of lawsuits from people that had a lawyer talking in their ear about how a payday is just around the corner and they wouldn't dare fight it because the backlash and blah blah blah.

Whether MGM goes ahead with the lawsuits is another issue entirely. Right now it's all just a shitty situation made worse because lawyers got involved.

I don't see what kind of argument they could even begin to try and present though. Hiring 58349402 lawyers to defend against lawsuits makes sense, but suing the victims makes literally no sense at all from any angle other than deliberately trying to look like trash and piss people off.

[Tgo01]

What are they even suing them over?

From what I understand MGM isn't suing the victims to receive monetary damages or anything of the sort, rather they are just looking for a judgement stating they aren't responsible for the deaths/injuries caused by the shooting and apparently suing the victims is some sort of legal maneuver they are taking to get that judgement.

Suing victims is pretty bad optics for sure, at the same time how is MGM responsible for the shooting.

[Astray]

It's a scare tactic. "I'm gonna sue you with this 1-800-Dial-a-Law no wait, oh shit I'm being sued? Fuck this."

Whoever passed the idea and gave the go ahead? Man, that person is fucking stupid. Lawyers don't care, they get paid, bro.


Suing victims is pretty bad optics for sure, at the same time how is MGM responsible for the shooting.

Happened on their property and how come the staff didn't check his room or bags or dick or anus for intent. Guilty by association at its worst.

[RichardCranium]

There must be more than 1000 people who can make a claim. The families of everyone killed and injured would have some standing to sue along with anyone at the concert who experienced trauma. I understand that MGM is trying to get ahead of this. Their survival may be at stake. It is definitely a bad look but I doubt they have a choice.

Also a good point considering wrongful death suits by the families. The judge-shopping claim by the lawyer was interesting too.

[RichardCranium]

From what I understand MGM isn't suing the victims to receive monetary damages or anything of the sort, rather they are just looking for a judgement stating they aren't responsible for the deaths/injuries caused by the shooting and apparently suing the victims is some sort of legal maneuver they are taking to get that judgement.

Suing victims is pretty bad optics for sure, at the same time how is MGM responsible for the shooting.

With the amount of guns and ammo he was able to get up there it's negligence at best.

[Tgo01]

With the amount of guns and ammo he was able to get up there it's negligence at best.

For sure if he was carrying each gun in his hand, but weren't they in suitcases and bags? And wasn't he there for like 2 weeks before he started his shooting? He could have easily brought one bag up a day and no one would bat an eye.

Even if he brought 10 bags up all in one day I'm not sure what the hotel could have done differently.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCkagYixpuc

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCkagYixpuc

Did you know Airplane is almost a shot for shot remake of the movie Zero Hour? Except the former is a comedy and the latter is a serious movie?

[Methais]

Did you know Airplane is almost a shot for shot remake of the movie Zero Hour? Except the former is a comedy and the latter is a serious movie?

I remember hearing something about that back when Naked Gun 2 1/2 came out.

Did you know Leslie Nielsen used to be a serious actor in old westerns and shit? Even after watching clips from some of them I still can't accept it.

[Tgo01]

I remember hearing something about that back when Naked Gun 2 1/2 came out.

Did you know Leslie Nielsen used to be a serious actor in old westerns and shit? Even after watching clips from some of them I still can't accept it.

I don't believe it.

[Tgo01]

For those who don't know what I'm talking about:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-v2BHNBVCs

[kutter]

I think part of, and seemingly a big part of this move by MGM was to get it out of the state court system, which in Nevada is I am certain very liberal, and into the federal court system. Not sure which district Nevada is in, but strategically MGM clearly felt the odds in a better result came from being in federal and not state.

[drauz]

I don't see what kind of argument they could even begin to try and present though. Hiring 58349402 lawyers to defend against lawsuits makes sense, but suing the victims makes literally no sense at all from any angle other than deliberately trying to look like trash and piss people off.

https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-another-debunking-that-isnt/


A burglar fell through a skylight, and sued the owner of the skylight for his injuries. Bodine sued for $8 million (in 1984 dollars, about $16 million today) and settled for the nuisance sum of $260,000 plus $1200/month for life, about the equivalent of a million dollars in conservatively-estimated 2006 present value.

People sue and win for stupid shit all the time.