Hey look GS4 got a mention

[Astray]

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-80s-and-90s-pc-games-still-unbelievably-being-updated-today/

We made it, guys.

[Tgo01]

To put that in perspective, if you've been playing GemStone since 1988, you'd have spent about $9,000 by now (ignoring the nuance of inflation and subscription cost changes over the past 30 years).

Shit, I bet some people spent that much in a year back before AOL went unlimited.

[Amerek]

Chronological order. For a moment i thought we got 2md place or something

[Methais]

Shit, I bet some people spent that much in a year back before AOL went unlimited.

Some people probably spent that much just this year.


Chronological order. For a moment i thought we got 2md place or something


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAxsAO8Yzf8

[Hlendril]

Is this the part when Kotaku makes an article if Gemstone?

[Methais]

Is this the part when Kotaku makes an article if Gemstone?

No, this is where they'll be like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMy1zO8m8sM

[Hlendril]

No, this is where they'll be like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMy1zO8m8sM

Imagine the outrage of the Gaming community when they discover a gaming company worse than EA and Ubisoft combined?

[Methais]

Imagine the outrage of the Gaming community when they discover a gaming company worse than EA and Ubisoft combined?

Simu is retarded but they're not even close to EA/Ubisoft level bad.

[Hlendril]

Simu vs Projekt Red?

Lol, people say Witcher has the best video game sex they havent seen Gemstone Cyber. Havent done meself but have seen Baelog's here. All I can say is...

NNNGH!

[Hlendril]

On topic though... How is Simu better than EA? I mean, sure the Battlefield 5 trailer sucks and all and Passes and DLC pay2win galore sucks but man 40 dolars to own a house? 200 dolars tp get officially married? Well, I suppose a superior Roleplaying community does require some cash.

[Taernath]

Simu is retarded but they're not even close to EA/Ubisoft level bad.

Haha, no. The only thing we're missing in terms of monetization is a box price. EAsoft wishes they were on our level.

[Methais]

On topic though... How is Simu better than EA? I mean, sure the Battlefield 5 trailer sucks and all and Passes and DLC pay2win galore sucks but man 40 dolars to own a house? 200 dolars tp get officially married? Well, I suppose a superior Roleplaying community does require some cash.

Everything you're listing is optional novelty bullshit that has no effect on the core game.

I've been a Basic $15 subscriber ever since GS moved to the web in like '97, and I've done 2 pay events since I've been playing. One was RtCF which was great, and the other was Hunt For History II back in like '03, which was really gay. I can't think of anything I've missed out on because of this.

There's no real pay2win in GS, it's mostly Pay2IncreaseYourEpeenSizeInHopesAnotherPlayerWillN oticeAndComplimentYouWhichWillIncreaseYourEpeenSiz eALittleBitMore

[Hlendril]

Yes. Because when people pay 1000 dolars for word of text, clearly something's wrong

[Hlendril]

Everything you're listing is optional novelty bullshit that has no effect on the core game.

I've been a Basic $15 subscriber ever since GS moved to the web in like '97, and I've done 2 pay events since I've been playing. One was RtCF which was great, and the other was Hunt For History II back in like '03, which was really gay. I can't think of anything I've missed out on because of this.

There's no real pay2win in GS, it's mostly Pay2IncreaseYourEpeenSizeInHopesAnotherPlayerWillN oticeAndComplimentYouWhichWillIncreaseYourEpeenSiz eALittleBitMore

I politley disagree. There are plenty of pay2win stuff. Iasha ora, Adamantine/Koredine etc, Emath tatoo, troll's blood Blink weapon etc...

[Methais]

Yes. Because when people pay 1000 dolars for word of text, clearly something's wrong

That's an issue with people being stupid. None of that bullshit is necessary or needed to advance in the game.


I politley disagree. There are plenty of pay2win stuff. Iasha ora, Adamantine/Koredine etc, Emath tatoo, troll's blood Blink weapon etc...

Those aren't pay2win items. Those are novelty bullshit items that anyone who isn't a complete tard would be fine without.

[Taernath]

That's an issue with people being stupid. None of that bullshit is necessary or needed to advance in the game.



Those aren't pay2win items. Those are novelty bullshit items that anyone who isn't a complete tard would be fine without.

"Pay2win" means it confers an in-game advantage, not that it literally wins the game for you... the former of which is exactly what all those heavily enchanted/weighted/padded items and X-a-day non-native spell items do. Someone kitted out with paid festival items has a radically different experience from someone using off-the-shelf or player-made items. Also, keep in mind that if you've ever bought items from these festivals via silver, you're still participating in the p2w system, albeit indirectly. Someone paid cash for those items, even if it wasn't you.

[Ososis]

Roblar’s 45 crit pt splitter axe I would consider Pay2Win

Who the fuck are you?

[audioserf]

Koars Light. Says so right above the posts.

[Amerek]

Even hunting 5+ levels over and I still find myself forgetting to put up Society signs and I still faceroll through. I’m rocking a 4x void flaring axe and a 5x spiked shield.

https://i.imgur.com/B6kvTwG.jpg

[Gelston]

You're forgetting that EA sells fuck tons of novelty shit too. Nah, Simu has them beat. By a long shot. Just a lot fewer numbers in GS so it doesn't seem as bad.

[Methais]

Who the fuck are you?

He's Koars Light.


"Pay2win" means it confers an in-game advantage, not that it literally wins the game for you... the former of which is exactly what all those heavily enchanted/weighted/padded items and X-a-day non-native spell items do. Someone kitted out with paid festival items has a radically different experience from someone using off-the-shelf or player-made items. Also, keep in mind that if you've ever bought items from these festivals via silver, you're still participating in the p2w system, albeit indirectly. Someone paid cash for those items, even if it wasn't you.

To me, buying exp or levels would be p2w. Someone buying a claidhmore with extra weighting and death flares or whatever when you're already chopping heads off fine with a regular claid is just being a dumbass.

P2W imo is the game basically coming to a standstill and being effectively impossible to advance without forking over more cash, i.e. Simu changes leveling up so that it takes 10,000,000 exp to gain a level now, but if you buy this exp pass from the Simucoin store it will only require 100k to level up. You can still technically level up without it, but now it's going to take you such an extreme amount of time and grinding that it's not worth it so you either buy an exp pass or quit the game.

Spending a ton of cash on some overpowered item that you can do fine without as long as you're not a tard, not so much.

And even though it goes without saying, anyone who disagrees is racist.

[Gelston]

He's Koars Light.



To me, buying exp or levels would be p2w. Someone buying a claidhmore with extra weighting and death flares or whatever when you're already chopping heads off fine with a regular claid is just being a dumbass.

P2W imo is the game basically coming to a standstill and being effectively impossible to advance without forking over more cash, i.e. Simu changes leveling up so that it takes 10,000,000 exp to gain a level now, but if you buy this exp pass from the Simucoin store it will only require 100k to level up. You can still technically level up without it, but now it's going to take you such an extreme amount of time and grinding that it's not worth it so you either buy an exp pass or quit the game.

Spending a ton of cash on some overpowered item that you can do fine without as long as you're not a tard, not so much.

And even though it goes without saying, anyone who disagrees is racist.

Then nothing EA does is P2W either.

[Methais]

Then nothing EA does is P2W either.

I've never had to pay extra to Simu to be able to roll up X new class. Unless you count Savants, which I'm having my lawyer subpoena Simu's IP right now to prove that Savants don't exist.

[Gelston]

I've never had to pay extra to Simu to be able to roll up X new class. Unless you count Savants, which I'm having my lawyer subpoena Simu's IP right now to prove that Savants don't exist.

I think monks aren't allowed under F2P, so there is that.

[Ososis]

prime is P2W

So anything above prime is just paying more to win the win you already won.

[Methais]

prime is P2W

So anything above prime is just paying more to win the win you already won.

Plot twist: You can't even win GS

[Gelston]

I think it is hard to say anything is P2W in GS because there isn't really shit to win. Don't mistake it, EA wishes they could have Simu's business model on a far larger scale. Yearly pay festivals? Selling fluff private houses for a grand? Marriages for $200? I mean, EA sells some weapon skins and people go ballistic.

[Methais]

I think it is hard to say anything is P2W in GS because there isn't really shit to win. Don't mistake it, EA wishes they could have Simu's business model on a far larger scale. Yearly pay festivals? Selling fluff private houses for a grand? Marriages for $200? I mean, EA sells some weapon skins and people go ballistic.

EA doesn't need Simu's business model, they just need Simu's extremely retarded player base.

Not that I'm implying EA's base isn't also retarded, but most are broke 12 year olds.

[Gelston]

EA doesn't need Simu's business model, they just need Simu's extremely retarded player base.

Not that I'm implying EA's base isn't also retarded, but most are broke 12 year olds.

I buy Madden every year, so they have a $60 yearly income from me.

[Taernath]

To me, buying exp or levels would be p2w. Someone buying a claidhmore with extra weighting and death flares or whatever when you're already chopping heads off fine with a regular claid is just being a dumbass.

P2W imo is the game basically coming to a standstill and being effectively impossible to advance without forking over more cash, i.e. Simu changes leveling up so that it takes 10,000,000 exp to gain a level now, but if you buy this exp pass from the Simucoin store it will only require 100k to level up. You can still technically level up without it, but now it's going to take you such an extreme amount of time and grinding that it's not worth it so you either buy an exp pass or quit the game.

Spending a ton of cash on some overpowered item that you can do fine without as long as you're not a tard, not so much.

And even though it goes without saying, anyone who disagrees is racist.

I don't know what to tell you. The definition for p2w that I used is a widely accepted and repeated one. What you're describing is 'pay to progress', and is something a lot of true f2p games do.

You're doing a lot of uncharacteristic Simudefense here, Methais. Goatse twice if you've been kidnapped and Whatley has a gun to your head.

[Tgo01]

I think monks aren't allowed under F2P, so there is that.

Wait is that true?

[Whirlin]

I think it is hard to say anything is P2W in GS because there isn't really shit to win. Don't mistake it, EA wishes they could have Simu's business model on a far larger scale. Yearly pay festivals? Selling fluff private houses for a grand? Marriages for $200? I mean, EA sells some weapon skins and people go ballistic.
They weren't always just weapon skins though. EA lootboxes when you leveled may contain gun unlocks and other things, some of which were just flat out better.

The biggest difference is the lack of binding items and characters. In any EA game, if your friend has an Awesome Gun of +8 that he doesn't use because he won the lootbox lottery and found an Awesome Gun of +9. That Awesome Gun of +8 is sitting on his account forever, utilized. And if you're playing against him with your peashooter -60, you're going to have a bad time. In Gemstone, that Awesome Gun of +8 be sold/transferred/etc... Some items may be introduced by a pay mechanic, but anything purchased via the pay mechanic can *usually* be transferred (exception being private properties).

[Gelston]

They weren't always just weapon skins though. EA lootboxes when you leveled may contain gun unlocks and other things, some of which were just flat out better.

The biggest difference is the lack of binding items and characters. In any EA game, if your friend has an Awesome Gun of +8 that he doesn't use because he won the lootbox lottery and found an Awesome Gun of +9. That Awesome Gun of +8 is sitting on his account forever, utilized. And if you're playing against him with your peashooter -60, you're going to have a bad time. In Gemstone, that Awesome Gun of +8 be sold/transferred/etc... Some items may be introduced by a pay mechanic, but anything purchased via the pay mechanic can *usually* be transferred (exception being private properties).

Except for those bound weapons and private homes. EA may have more bound shit, but GS is ahead of them in a lot of other shit. I imagine the only reason EA binds most of its shit is because they don't want a cash resell market, like what we have here. I'm actually surprised Simu doesn't have loot boxes yet, but when I think about it, Droughtman's was basically one lootbox at a time.

[Methais]

I don't know what to tell you. The definition for p2w that I used is a widely accepted and repeated one. What you're describing is 'pay to progress', and is something a lot of true f2p games do.

You're doing a lot of uncharacteristic Simudefense here, Methais. Goatse twice if you've been kidnapped and Whatley has a gun to your head.

Your definition is probably the more "correct" definition, I'm not really disputing that.

And don't get me wrong, I hate Simu's entire microtransaction model and thinks it's stupid as fuck and a giant ripoff for what you get and that 99% of the people running the show are dumbasses. I just don't think any of it, with maybe some exceptions, gives someone that noticeable of an advantage over someone else for anything in regards to character advancement other than stroking one's epeen, even if you could win GS.

If someone finishes a hunt 2 minutes quicker because of their new P2W sword, I guess that would technically count, but someone paying $5000 just to finish a hunt 2 minutes earlier or for some fancy looking flares or whatever is also a dumbass and are part of the problem encouraging more of this bullshit.

Either way, I wouldn't put Simu on EA's level, at least not yet. I won't be surprised if/when they reach that point, I just don't think they're there yet.

[Whirlin]

Except for those bound weapons and private homes. EA may have more bound shit, but GS is ahead of them in a lot of other shit. I imagine the only reason EA binds most of its shit is because they don't want a cash resell market, like what we have here. I'm actually surprised Simu doesn't have loot boxes yet, but when I think about it, Droughtman's was basically one lootbox at a time.
What bound weapons?

[Gelston]

What bound weapons?

"pure" coraesine is an example.

[Whirlin]

"pure" coraesine is an example.
Those were sold for simucoins directly?

[Gelston]

Those were sold for simucoins directly?

They came from a pay event.

[Whirlin]

They came from a pay event.
And there's no other way to get into the event? No other way to get simucoins other than paying cash for them?

[Gelston]

And there's no other way to get into the event? No other way to get simucoins other than paying cash for them?

I believe the events that had these out didn't use simucoins yet for them. I see what you're getting at, but even with the "free" simucoin grants you are still paying a sub to get them. This is a common theme among most MMOs.

I'm not saying it is a bad thing, I'm not saying it is good. I'm saying it takes more money than "free".

[Whirlin]

I believe the events that had these out didn't use simucoins yet for them. I see what you're getting at, but even with the "free" simucoin grants you are still paying a sub to get them. This is a common theme among most MMOs.
I'm not saying it is a bad thing, I'm not saying it is good. I'm saying it takes more money than "free".
If you think they're similar, Simutronics has been doing it longer than EA with things like Ebon's Gate. But that was historically cosmetic in the early days.

You saw where I was going, the delineation that I was trying to make was with something like lootboxes which could house either cosmetic, or gear that was advantageous versus objects that you would normally unlock through playing, and were non-transferable after the fact, so the only way to experience them is to dump money into lootboxes.

With the entry items for something like duskruin are transferable, and that an established in game economy exists, it's not really an apples to apples comparison, as a player can utilize the after market to still perform said event without dishing out cash. With the release of the free simucoins, and the movement of more things through the simucoin shop rather than the ticketing whateveritwascalled, it should level the playing field to let someone attend one of the four annual events? I think that was the intent? I dunno what the prices are like.

[Tgo01]

Ebon's Gate

GET HIM!

https://www.signalsmatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Pitch-fork-pic.jpg

[Gelston]

If you think they're similar, Simutronics has been doing it longer than EA with things like Ebon Gate. But that was historically cosmetic in the early days.

You saw where I was going, the delineation that I was trying to make was with something like lootboxes which could house either cosmetic, or gear that was advantageous versus objects that you would normally unlock through playing, and were non-transferable after the fact, so the only way to experience them is to dump money into lootboxes.

With the entry items for something like duskruin are transferable, and that an established in game economy exists, it's not really an apples to apples comparison, as a player can utilize the after market to still perform said event without dishing out cash. With the release of the free simucoins, and the movement of more things through the simucoin shop rather than the ticketing whateveritwascalled, it should level the playing field to let someone attend one of the four annual events? I think that was the intent? I dunno what the prices are like.

The fact that Simu was doing that prior has no bearing on whether or not I think they are more money grubbing than EA. A company exists to make money, but I feel Simu is starting to go overboard and yes, I feel they are surpassing EA. If Simu had millions of customers, you know damn well there'd be just as many, if not more, complaints about them.

The thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with anything Simu or EA does. It is all business and they need money and there are plenty of retards out there to throw tons of cash in there.

[Astray]

So, I get both sides of this argument. No Simu is not as bad as EA. They have some seriously unfriendly practices and it feels like sometimes the decisions are slated toward maximizing profit over entertainment value. However, none of that is a requirement to succeed in game. None of the events are a prerequisite to start RPing or pick up a weapon and start killing shit. A lot of the simucoin stuff is peripheral and not a requirement to enjoy the game... if you're subbed. If you're an F2P get that fucking check book out, faggot (lol jk, no report pls).

I would like to personally see a drop in sub prices. I'd also like to see a few more things go toward the 'hey come join us, no simucoins required' or some shit. We'll never likely get that but hey, I can dream stupid shit.

[Gelston]

So, I get both sides of this argument. No Simu is not as bad as EA. They have some seriously unfriendly practices and it feels like sometimes the decisions are slated toward maximizing profit over entertainment value. However, none of that is a requirement to succeed in game. None of the events are a prerequisite to start RPing or pick up a weapon and start killing shit. A lot of the simucoin stuff is peripheral and not a requirement to enjoy the game... if you're subbed. If you're an F2P get that fucking check book out, faggot (lol jk, no report pls).

I would like to personally see a drop in sub prices. I'd also like to see a few more things go toward the 'hey come join us, no simucoins required' or some shit. We'll never likely get that but hey, I can dream stupid shit.

None of that shit is required in any EA game either, although they are generally far different sorts of game. They are both playing on the same basic wants and cashing in on it. Simu and EA are very comparable in their cashing in.

[Astray]

None of that shit is required in any EA game either, although they are generally far different sorts of game. They are both playing on the same basic wants and cashing in on it. Simu and EA are very comparable in their cashing in.

They are companies out to make money. EA has the problem of gating off shit until players are so tired of seeing the exp meter not even move that they spend money to accelerate or outright negate the need. Simu has the problem of having subscription fee, cash shop and charging for events. They don't want the cookies, they want the whole fucking jar.

[Gelston]

They are companies out to make money. EA has the problem of gating off shit until players are so tired of seeing the exp meter not even move that they spend money to accelerate or outright negate the need. Simu has the problem of having subscription fee, cash shop and charging for events. They don't want the cookies, they want the whole fucking jar.

Yeah, as I said, they are both for money. I don't have a problem with either of them. I'm actually going to go play Madden now, holla.

[Astray]

Yeah, as I said, they are both for money. I don't have a problem with either of them. I'm actually going to go play Madden now, holla.

I don't have a problem with either, it's when I'm told that I should be happy that blah blah blah "just be glad" bullshit. That's what gets me. Simu has this mountain of shit that needs to be fixed or addressed as well as downright unimplemented spells and a class that's currently in limbo. Instead of wanking over the next DR profits, they should be fucking fixing and implementing shit.

[Gelston]

I don't have a problem with either, it's when I'm told that I should be happy that blah blah blah "just be glad" bullshit. That's what gets me. Simu has this mountain of shit that needs to be fixed or addressed as well as downright unimplemented spells and a class that's currently in limbo. Instead of wanking over the next DR profits, they should be fucking fixing and implementing shit.

Don't worry. when I win the Lottery I'm going to buy out at least the GS portion and then I'll fix the game up.

[beldannon5]

hmm reading that post makes me want to try drakkar lol

[Astray]

Don't worry. when I win the Lottery I'm going to buy out at least the GS portion and then I'll fix the game up.

I'd buy the game, host it, change basic sub to free and Premium to 14.99 and plat for 19.99, and make bank off the cash shop. They aren't utilizing it properly. It blows my mind at how poorly they manage their micro-transactions.

[Gelston]

I'd buy the game, host it, change basic sub to free and Premium to 14.99 and plat for 19.99, and make bank off the cash shop. They aren't utilizing it properly. It blows my mind at how poorly they manage their micro-transactions.

I'd get newest best servers made of gold stretching to the sky. Actually, I'd get new hardware, hire a few fulltime coders, get more automated one time quests thrown in there, like the Katana one and Voln quests and stuff, but enough to where you can reasonably level from them. I'd have every weapon base looked at and do more to make them all unique. Weapon has a shitty AvD or DF? Cool, here is some other stuff it does that might make up for that. Cash store gone. Simucoins, gone. I'd drop basic to like $5 a month and Premium to $15. I'd take almost all the restrictions off of F2P.

I mean, there is so much shit I'd do. Savants would be released. The fucker would basically be GS 5.

[Astray]

Coders would be the first thing.

[Gelston]

Coders would be the first thing.

Yeah. I think the game would do very well with a couple of full time coders. Of course, my ideas wouldn't make me any money and it would basically be an expensive hobby. Which is why I need to win lots and lots of money.

[Astray]

Yeah. I think the game would do very well with a couple of full time coders. Of course, my ideas wouldn't make me any money and it would basically be an expensive hobby. Which is why I need to win lots and lots of money.

Buying it outright would be the most expensive. Simu wouldn't be willing to hand over the keys to a literal money making machine without some form of gouging on behalf of the buyer. Still, if you managed to purchase it outright, I'm willing to bet they'd just sell you the engine and core files but the other files (pertaining to players) would be a separate purchase because all that data does technically belong to them.

[Red]

It would cost a lot of seashells

[Methais]

I'd get newest best servers made of gold stretching to the sky. Actually, I'd get new hardware, hire a few fulltime coders, get more automated one time quests thrown in there, like the Katana one and Voln quests and stuff, but enough to where you can reasonably level from them. I'd have every weapon base looked at and do more to make them all unique. Weapon has a shitty AvD or DF? Cool, here is some other stuff it does that might make up for that. Cash store gone. Simucoins, gone. I'd drop basic to like $5 a month and Premium to $15. I'd take almost all the restrictions off of F2P.

I mean, there is so much shit I'd do. Savants would be released. The fucker would basically be GS 5.

I'd roll everything back to what they were using in 1988, including starting GEnie back up and making it exclusive to that.

Krakii would be ecstatic.

[Methais]

I'd buy the game, host it, change basic sub to free and Premium to 14.99 and plat for 19.99, and make bank off the cash shop. They aren't utilizing it properly. It blows my mind at how poorly they manage their micro-transactions.

Simu literally won't do anything that involves any amount of risk at all, despite whatever the potential payoffs would be. They've always been chicken shit like that.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/207/569/689.jpg

[Gelston]

Buying it outright would be the most expensive. Simu wouldn't be willing to hand over the keys to a literal money making machine without some form of gouging on behalf of the buyer. Still, if you managed to purchase it outright, I'm willing to bet they'd just sell you the engine and core files but the other files (pertaining to players) would be a separate purchase because all that data does technically belong to them.

Oh, no, I'd be having it lined up to purchase everything. The game, customers, etc. It'd be like spinning it off to a new company. Of course, half is owned by stilfront so I'd have to talk to them too. I'm imagining they'd make me take both the text games for more money though.

[Hlendril]

Why are there so many Simu appologists? I thought Player Corner hates Simu or some shit.

[Gelston]

Why are there so many Simu appologists? I thought Player Corner hates Simu or some shit.

We don't hate Simu. we just hate you.

Deported.

[Astray]

Why are there so many Simu appologists? I thought Player Corner hates Simu or some shit.

I don't hate Simu, I hate the bullshit they pull. Fuck Wyrom, btw. I'd spit on him if I could.

[Gelston]

I don't hate Simu, I hate the bullshit they pull. Fuck Wyrom, btw. I'd spit on him if I could.

What if he was on fire?

[Astray]

What if he was on fire?

I'd fucking put him out, Jesus. I don't like him, doesn't mean I'd let him writhe in agony... plus I'd get to stomp his stupid face a couple times.

[Gelston]

I'd fucking put him out, Jesus. I don't like him, doesn't mean I'd let him writhe in agony... plus I'd get to stomp his stupid face a couple times.

I knew you had a man crush on him.

[Neveragain]

Why are there so many Simu appologists? I thought Player Corner hates Simu or some shit.

It's not a hate thing, it's just that so much could be done and they just refuse to do it. Of course it's not just SIMU, gemstones player base can be a pain in the ass. It's why you're still making fucking ammo in gemstone, players lose their shit because their ebows will crash in value. That's a "kind" example.

[Astray]

I knew you had a man crush on him.

What are you, gay?

[Gelston]

What are you, gay?

No. Don't try to bring me into your love triangle.

[Methais]

Why are there so many Simu appologists? I thought Player Corner hates Simu or some shit.

Saying Simu is retarded as fuck just not as bad as EA like you say = Simu apologist

https://i.imgur.com/uVYQ6mq.gif

[Astray]

No. Don't try to bring me into your love triangle.

I see you there, outside my window. At least put your dick away when you look at me.

[Gelston]

I see you there, outside my window. At least put your dick away when you look at me.

I believe that is probably Pk. He subpoenaed your IP records.

[Astray]

I believe that is probably Pk. He subpoenaed your IP records.

Well, shit.

[Gelston]

Astray and Methais has some good points.

I still believe a player can take a new character from zero to cap in just basic gear without any real difficulty. I’m only level 60 so don’t quote me on that but this is what I’ve been told.

No one is disputing that. They are saying with the injection of cash you can get way better shit, whether it is regular barbie stuff or practical shit.

[Astray]

At level 10 you get access to the universal standard of 4x (+20). A 4x weapon can last you to cap, assuming you just can't find anything or don't want a replacement.

That's nuts in an MMO setting. Most MMO's demand you scale gear with level or you get left behind due to inferior DPS and Defense.


No one is disputing that. They are saying with the injection of cash you can get way better shit, whether it is regular barbie stuff or practical shit.

T H I S

If it weren't for the aforementioned availability of gear that'd last you to cap, this game would be brutal. If this were ever the case, I'd be calling P2W mechanics and bullshit.

[Taernath]

Again, the issue isn't whether there's a small mechanical advantage or a large mechanical advantage between someone in 4x gear vs. someone who spends $1000 at a paid event, it's whether there's an advantage at all. If there IS, that is the definition of pay to win and Simu passed that threshold long ago.

[Astray]

Again, the issue isn't whether there's a small mechanical advantage or a large mechanical advantage between someone in 4x gear vs. someone who spends $1000 at a paid event, it's whether there's an advantage at all. If there IS, that is the definition of pay to win and Simu passed that threshold long ago.

I would make the argument that there isn't really PvP or CvC so it doesn't matter. In a ranked or pvp/cvc based match, it'll always result in the higher enchant gear or most imbalanced class coming out the victor.

Those said, it has NEVER boiled down to skill between characters or players and it likely never will.

[Gelston]

It’s really why I enjoy this mmo the most, it focuses on player skill moreso than gear or a player’s RL resources. If anyone gives you any grief about P2W mechanics in Gemstone just politely point them to the Hardcore thread. Reaching level 50 with severe restrictions to wearable spells and gear without dying a single time. Absolutely floored.

Rofl, no. If you have a 10x DB, 10x armor, 10x weapon you don't need any skill at all.

[Gelston]

Again, the issue isn't whether there's a small mechanical advantage or a large mechanical advantage between someone in 4x gear vs. someone who spends $1000 at a paid event, it's whether there's an advantage at all. If there IS, that is the definition of pay to win and Simu passed that threshold long ago.

Hey pal, the gladiator games.

[Methais]

Hey pal, the gladiator games.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=D5FU0ZMRB_Q

[Taernath]

I would make the argument that there isn't really PvP or CvC so it doesn't matter. In a ranked or pvp/cvc based match, it'll always result in the higher enchant gear or most imbalanced class coming out the victor.

Those said, it has NEVER boiled down to skill between characters or players and it likely never will.

p2w isn't limited to PvP games, it's just most easily noticed there.

[Astray]

p2w isn't limited to PvP games, it's just most easily noticed there.

I never understood the branding of a non-PvP game as P2W. To me, P2W is pvp or skill-based. Maybe I'm just an elitist dick though.

[Velfi]

I never understood the branding of a non-PvP game as P2W. To me, P2W is pvp or skill-based. Maybe I'm just an elitist dick though.

Leaderboards, man.

https://i.imgur.com/smxhvMH.gif

[Astray]

Leaderboards, man.

https://i.imgur.com/smxhvMH.gif

When you land a sponsorship, it's fucking huge.

[drauz]

I never understood the branding of a non-PvP game as P2W. To me, P2W is pvp or skill-based. Maybe I'm just an elitist dick though.

P2W (to me) allows you to skip all the bullshit and just pay for the items to make the game easier. Can you get a Wonderously CW maul with jesus flares? Sure, its just gonna take a couple decade.

[Astray]

P2W (to me) allows you to skip all the bullshit and just pay for the items to make the game easier. Can you get a Wonderously CW maul with jesus flares? Sure, its just gonna take a couple decade.

Yeah, that's another thing. God, that's where people run into the wall, isn't it? What do you mean to tell me that this merchant chooses randomly in a room full of 100 people? WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!

[Taernath]

Yeah, that's another thing. God, that's where people run into the wall, isn't it? What do you mean to tell me that this merchant chooses randomly in a room full of 100 people? WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!

Well really it's only 30 people with 70 alts, but there's also the WPS service if you have some silver or scrip burning a hole in your pocket.

[drauz]

Well really it's only 30 people with 70 alts, but there's also the WPS service if you have some silver or scrip burning a hole in your pocket.

I think this past CCF was the first time the WPS merchant was opened in mass. Most of the time its a merchant spinning for 10 slots with a max of like 10 services to the item. There is like 1-2 of these a month. Getting the "max" services or even half that for the 2 month period can be downright impossible without bloodscrip.

[Neveragain]

Astray and Methais has some good points.

I still believe a player can take a new character from zero to cap in just basic gear without any real difficulty. I’m only level 60 so don’t quote me on that but this is what I’ve been told.

You can hunt fine in 4 - 6x vanilla gear at cap, you just have to be a little more careful. The wizard I have been leveling, he's 50 now and I have no issues at all hunting critters 4-5 levels above with just his own spells. Without a PvP system or a progressive raid system, the top end shit is worthless to me as a gamer.

[Neveragain]

I would make the argument that there isn't really PvP or CvC so it doesn't matter. In a ranked or pvp/cvc based match, it'll always result in the higher enchant gear or most imbalanced class coming out the victor.

Those said, it has NEVER boiled down to skill between characters or players and it likely never will.

Actually I have been devising a PvP system for gs for almost 3 - 4 years now. Over the coming months, probably more towards early winter I'm going to try to meet with Wyrom and pitch him the system. It's taking a bit of time because it involves some other aspects that will require some help from some other players RL professional talents. I have been crazy busy but I'm going to try and start hitting some people up this weekend.

The only thing that would make this system not work is if players can't control their epeens. If I do say so myself this is an amazing system that stands a good chance of being taken seriously by Wyrom.

[Gelston]

Actually I have been devising a PvP system for gs for almost 3 - 4 years now. Over the coming months, probably more towards early winter I'm going to try to meet with Wyrom and pitch him the system. It's taking a bit of time because it involves some other aspects that will require some help from some other players RL professional talents. I have been crazy busy but I'm going to try and start hitting some people up this weekend.

The only thing that would make this system not work is if players can't control their epeens. If I do say so myself this is an amazing system that stands a good chance of being taken seriously by Wyrom.

hahahahaha you're retarded.

[Velfi]

Actually I have been devising a PvP system for gs for almost 3 - 4 years now. Over the coming months, probably more towards early winter I'm going to try to meet with Wyrom and pitch him the system. It's taking a bit of time because it involves some other aspects that will require some help from some other players RL professional talents. I have been crazy busy but I'm going to try and start hitting some people up this weekend.

The only thing that would make this system not work is if players can't control their epeens. If I do say so myself this is an amazing system that stands a good chance of being taken seriously by Wyrom.

I just wanna quote this.

[Hlendril]

We don't hate Simu. we just hate you.

Deported.

Hey now, lets keep it civil...


Oh wait, Player Corner is basically 4chan /pol/ but with boomers instead of 90s kids who masturbate over Waffen SS footage.

Anyway, the true definition of Pay2win IMO is that you buy something from a lootbox and hope for best that you get something great about it. In Gemstone's sake its events like Ebon Gate, Duskruin, etc. The only difference is that the chances of getting the best stuff ar neigh impossible and you can only get currency to BUY that item to get it. Therefore you pay more for a vegas roulette. In Runescape, nobody waits for a event to get Bandos Armour or Armadyll Greatsword. Those are high end stuff but are available ALL THE TIME. It maybe RNG but its possible. However in Gemstone I am quite confident you cant loot a Adamantite or High/Low steel.

[Taernath]

Hey now, lets keep it civil...


Oh wait, Player Corner is basically 4chan /pol/ but with boomers instead of 90s kids who masturbate over Waffen SS footage.

Uhhhh....

[Astray]

In Runescape, nobody waits for a event to get Bandos Armour or Armadyll Greatsword.

The drops are from boss monsters at excruciating percentages, the Bandos plate is a Very Rare from level 210 - 624 bosses in a dungeon that requires 70 Strength and a slew of quests to access. Armadyll is fucking worse because you gotta have 70 Range and Range is crap since the EoC rolled through.

The comparison between the two doesn't mean much to someone that actually understands both games.

[Velfi]

The drops are from boss monsters at excruciating percentages, the Bandos plate is a Very Rare from level 210 - 624 bosses in a dungeon that requires 70 Strength and a slew of quests to access. Armadyll is fucking worse because you gotta have 70 Range and Range is crap since the EoC rolled through.

The comparison between the two doesn't mean much to someone that actually understands both games.

https://i.imgur.com/yM3QXSA.gif

[Astray]

Stream Runescape, Velfi! I'll give you like 10M to help you start.

[Hlendril]

The drops are from boss monsters at excruciating percentages, the Bandos plate is a Very Rare from level 210 - 624 bosses in a dungeon that requires 70 Strength and a slew of quests to access. Armadyll is fucking worse because you gotta have 70 Range and Range is crap since the EoC rolled through.

The comparison between the two doesn't mean much to someone that actually understands both games.

Same here. EOC really killed the game for me. I mean, it has its quirks but Combat really feels lackluster for me. Now Runescape just feels like a Wow clone. Now, like I said there is still a chance, so if you are a masochist you can go with no money, NOR can you buy it with cash, unless you go to the Runescape black market. But in Gemstone, ALL great items have a Paywall, disguised as a quest. to get Adamantite, you must play either the sewers and/or Arena, wherein you pay Simucoins for the Bloodscript to buy the item. And since each token gives 200 to 500, you`ll end up paying hundreds for that Armour.

[Velfi]

Stream Runescape, Velfi! I'll give you like 10M to help you start.

https://i.imgur.com/5t4p8lS.gif

[Velfi]

Same here. EOC really killed the game for me. I mean, it has its quirks but Combat really feels lackluster for me. Now Runescape just feels like a Wow clone. Now, like I said there is still a chance, so if you are a masochist you can go with no money, NOR can you buy it with cash, unless you go to the Runescape black market. But in Gemstone, ALL great items have a Paywall, disguised as a quest. to get Adamantite, you must play either the sewers and/or Arena, wherein you pay Simucoins for the Bloodscript to buy the item. And since each token gives 200 to 500, you`ll end up paying hundreds for that Armour.

You could... buy adamantite armor from someone else for silvers?

[Hlendril]

You could... buy adamantite armor from someone else for silvers?

Where do you get the Silvers then? Buy them for cash or work your ass off. Again, you Indirectly help Simu`s Pay2win strategy. With how the Silvers are crashing, Simu has the Silver economy hijacked with all the shitty loot we get from the events which we eventually pawn off.

Its like a Human centipede but with Gemstone Players.

[Velfi]

Where do you get the Silvers then? Buy them for cash or work your ass off. Again, you Indirectly help Simu`s Pay2win strategy. With how the Silvers are crashing, Simu has the Silver economy hijacked with all the shitty loot we get from the events which we eventually pawn off.

Its like a Human centipede but with Gemstone Players.

There are plenty of things to complain about Simu or GS, but you're barking up the wrong tree just because you don't have silvers to buy something you want. Sorry.

[Astray]

Same here. EOC really killed the game for me. I mean, it has its quirks but Combat really feels lackluster for me. Now Runescape just feels like a Wow clone. Now, like I said there is still a chance, so if you are a masochist you can go with no money, NOR can you buy it with cash, unless you go to the Runescape black market. But in Gemstone, ALL great items have a Paywall, disguised as a quest. to get Adamantite, you must play either the sewers and/or Arena, wherein you pay Simucoins for the Bloodscript to buy the item. And since each token gives 200 to 500, you`ll end up paying hundreds for that Armour.

You can buy Runescape gold. For 30 million it's 5 bucks, give or take a 1.77 or more on deals. So let's say you want to spend $99.99 at a gold store, that's 6-700M. That? Enough to buy every good, max set in the game and have plenty left over for repairs. Because all skill level 90+ is a power set that needs to be fixed. 2,500,000 for something like 90 hours of combat time. In that time you can make that money back with the right skills and the right farming spots.

GS4 has a cash shop problem, admittedly, but that's because we don't exactly have a bot problem. Compared to some Worlds in Runescape, you're looking at a market full of gold bots with no consequence (trust me, I botted the fuck out runescape). If you're not afraid to go outside the norm? You can buy enough gold to be set in every way.

[Hlendril]

You can buy Runescape gold. For 30 million it's 5 bucks, give or take a 1.77 or more on deals. So let's say you want to spend $99.99 at a gold store, that's 6-700M. That? Enough to buy every good, max set in the game and have plenty left over for repairs. Because all skill level 90+ is a power set that needs to be fixed. 2,500,000 for something like 90 hours of combat time. In that time you can make that money back with the right skills and the right farming spots.

GS4 has a cash shop problem, admittedly, but that's because we don't exactly have a bot problem. Compared to some Worlds in Runescape, you're looking at a market full of gold bots with no consequence (trust me, I botted the fuck out runescape). If you're not afraid to go outside the norm? You can buy enough gold to be set in every way.

And poor Venezuelans!

https://www.polygon.com/2017/9/10/16283926/venezuelan-gold-farming-runescape-targets

[Hlendril]

There are plenty of things to complain about Simu or GS, but you're barking up the wrong tree just because you don't have silvers to buy something you want. Sorry.

I`m not too interested in getting high-end gear. I`m fine enough if I can get some x5 Full plate with Disruption Flares and T5 ensorcelled. I dont think Izthir Armour is something that`ll complete me or a Blink Claidh or whatever. I`m just stating that whatever Gemstone Players do, one way or the other they are contributing with the problem.

[Velfi]

I`m not too interested in getting high-end gear. I`m fine enough if I can get some x5 Full plate with Disruption Flares and T5 ensorcelled. I dont think Izthir Armour is something that`ll complete me or a Blink Claidh or whatever.

Well I mean you were just complaining about not being able to get adamantite armor, so this doesn't make sense.


I`m just stating that whatever Gemstone Players do, one way or the other they are contributing with the problem.

This sounds like you just want to complain about people playing Gemstone and being guilty for its continued survival. How terrible!

[drauz]

I found a company worse than EA:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQhg9LVdys

[Astray]

Oof.

[Astray]

300 million could get Savants implemented. Let's leave it at that.

[Whirlin]

Where do you get the Silvers then? Buy them for cash or work your ass off. Again, you Indirectly help Simu`s Pay2win strategy. With how the Silvers are crashing, Simu has the Silver economy hijacked with all the shitty loot we get from the events which we eventually pawn off.

Its like a Human centipede but with Gemstone Players.

I've never bought silvers (at least in the past 10 years or so that I can remember... maybe a mill back when silvers was >$10). My high watermark for silver was about 70m. You know... one good thing about a fairly mature economy is the ability to invest silvers into things that may appreciate value, and then sell them for more money. That's a way to get more silvers. Additionally, there are artisan crafts, alchemy, hunting, and other ways to make money. Arguably, not that much, but I don't think anyone will put it against you to script alchemy, fletching, or forging while you do something else.

[Hlendril]

Well I mean you were just complaining about not being able to get adamantite armor, so this doesn't make sense.



This sounds like you just want to complain about people playing Gemstone and being guilty for its continued survival. How terrible!

I just agree with Taernath.

[Hlendril]

I found a company worse than EA:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQhg9LVdys

Wait till mainstream gaiming Community hears about Simu. A thousand dolars of Graphics is better than a thousand dolars of Wall of Text.

Summit Academy summed this in a nutshell.

[Methais]

Hey now, lets keep it civil...


Oh wait, Player Corner is basically 4chan /pol/ but with boomers instead of 90s kids who masturbate over Waffen SS footage.

I had high hopes for you when you first showed up as a genuinely new player, but the more I see you post, the more clueless and retarded you seem. Try to at least have a clue what you're talking about before you click the post button. You're still batting .000 with everything I've seen you complain about so far.


The drops are from boss monsters at excruciating percentages, the Bandos plate is a Very Rare from level 210 - 624 bosses in a dungeon that requires 70 Strength and a slew of quests to access. Armadyll is fucking worse because you gotta have 70 Range and Range is crap since the EoC rolled through.

The comparison between the two doesn't mean much to someone that actually understands both games.

https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/ginsburnt.gif?w=1920

[Methais]

Where do you get the Silvers then? Buy them for cash or work your ass off.

You mean you have to put effort into something before getting rewarded?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/070/812/Oh-noes.jpg

Please reference my previous post.

[Methais]

300 million could get Savants implemented. Let's leave it at that.

Yeah right. Did you already forget about the cost of fire extinguisher inspections? Shit adds up.

[Hlendril]

I had high hopes for you when you first showed up as a genuinely new player, but the more I see you post, the more clueless and retarded you seem. Try to at least have a clue what you're talking about before you click the post button. You're still batting .000 with everything I've seen you complain about so far.



https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/ginsburnt.gif?w=1920

Im not exactly in the mood to start fights now. I simply offered my opinion about a topic and was replied at harshly. Please, not this again.

[Methais]

Im not exactly in the mood to start fights now. I simply offered my opinion about a topic and was replied at harshly. Please, not this again.

Should have thought about that before you generalized an entire community with dumb shit like...


Hey now, lets keep it civil...


Oh wait, Player Corner is basically 4chan /pol/ but with boomers instead of 90s kids who masturbate over Waffen SS footage.

...because you don't understand how trolling works and Gelston hurt your feelings as a result. And not long after calling people who didn't agree with you a bunch of Simu apologists. Regardless, Simucon Gelston Gelston Notsleg Gelston has been deported.

https://i.imgflip.com/2dsx08.jpg

But yes please pretend you're a victim now.

[Hlendril]

Im sorry for generalizing. I guess being at a rush hour kinda got mr iffy and replied so harshly. Yes its my fault I should have left my personal feelings personal.

[Methais]

Im sorry for generalizing. I guess being at a rush hour kinda got mr iffy and replied so harshly. Yes its my fault I should have left my personal feelings personal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdIAEpSyYTw

[Archigeek]

I dunno, I guess it was a generalisation, but I thought his characterization was about 50% right. I give him a thumbs up for creatively describing Methias. Though he really needs to understand that we're mostly gen Xers. I'll cut no slack for that. 2 points for Hufflepuff!

[Methais]

I dunno, I guess it was a generalisation, but I thought his characterization was about 50% right. I give him a thumbs up for creatively describing Methias. Though he really needs to understand that we're mostly gen Xers. I'll cut no slack for that. 2 points for Hufflepuff!

Hey pal, you were included in people who masturbate over Waffen SS footage too!!!1

(Please pm me your collection btw)

[Hlendril]

I`m not into Waffen SS stuff, I still Believe Zeon was Correct and GHIREN DID NOTHING WRONG

SIEG ZEON!


kidding

[Archigeek]

Hey pal, you were included in people who masturbate over Waffen SS footage too!!!1

(Please pm me your collection btw)

You've worked hard to cultivate an image as an equal opportunity masturbator. Let's not suddenly get finicky.

(Collection sent)

[Methais]

You've worked hard to cultivate an image as an equal opportunity masturbator. Let's not suddenly get finicky.

(Collection sent)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d275c6b117a05bf6049badddc9d14eb4/tenor.gif?itemid=5114998

[Gelston]

Wait till mainstream gaiming Community hears about Simu. A thousand dolars of Graphics is better than a thousand dolars of Wall of Text.

Summit Academy summed this in a nutshell.

The "mainstream gaming community" has had 30 years to hear about Simu. Are you related to Backlash?

[Taernath]

(Please pm me your collection btw)

https://i.imgur.com/C2bq0oB.jpg

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/C2bq0oB.jpg

IT’S TOO LATE!

https://i.imgur.com/b66Iakm.gif

[Candor]

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-80s-and-90s-pc-games-still-unbelievably-being-updated-today/

We made it, guys.

I have played the top three games in the article (nethack, GS4, and Kingdom of Drakkar). And I still play nethack and GS4. I played Drakkar for about four years back in the 1990s and eventually decided to stop playing to devote more time to GS.

Sometimes I wonder if whether there are any former British Legends wizards (the game was hosted on CompuServe) who still play GS4.