Military Getting Rid of Foreigners

[ClydeR]

It's been a sore point for Republicans for a long time.



SAN ANTONIO (AP) – The Associated Press has learned that the U.S. Army has moved in recent weeks to discharge immigrant recruits and reservists who enlisted through a program that promised them a path to citizenship.

More... (https://fox2now.com/2018/07/05/us-army-quietly-discharging-immigrant-recruits/)




President George W. Bush ordered "expedited naturalization" for immigrant soldiers in 2002 in an effort to swell military ranks. Seven years later, the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program, known as MAVNI, became an official recruiting program.

The program came under fire from conservatives when President Barack Obama added DACA recipients — young immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally — to the list of eligible enlistees. In response, the military layered on additional security clearances for recruits to pass before heading to boot camp.

Donald Trump's administration added even more hurdles, creating a backlog within the Defense Department. Last fall, hundreds of recruits still in the enlistment process had their contracts canceled. A few months later, the military suspended MAVNI.

More... (https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-07-06/ap-newsbreak-us-army-quietly-discharging-immigrant-recruits)





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[Tgo01]

This has already been debunked as highly misleading. They are discharging "immigrant recruits" who have failed their background checks. You know, like they would go ahead and discharge "American citizen recruits" if they failed background checks too.

[cwolff]

Ya the MAVNI recruits are tough to screen for background checks. They're kind of fucked too because they can't work while waiting for their induction and their visa status changed when they entered the program. Sounds like regular peacetime military stuff instead of a coordinated effort to shit can foreigners

[Tgo01]

Ya the MAVNI recruits are tough to screen for background checks. They're kind of fucked too because they can't work while waiting for their induction and their visa status changed when they entered the program. Sounds like regular peacetime military stuff instead of a coordinated effort to shit can foreigners

I'm honestly shocked. There might be hope for you yet, cwolff.

[Androidpk]

snopes or bust

[Wrathbringer]

snopes or bust

subpoenaed anything yet?

[ClydeR]

This has already been debunked as highly misleading.

If you are saying that the military has not stopped the program, then you are mistaken. They ended it last year. This year, they're getting rid of the people who enrolled prior to suspension of the program.

[Gelston]

If you are saying that the military has not stopped the program, then you are mistaken. They ended it last year. This year, they're getting rid of the people who enrolled prior to suspension of the program.

That haven't gone through boot or basic yet. You really aren't in until you show up there. Delayed enlistment can be terminated at any time for any reason.

[ClydeR]

Trump is keeping his promises.


Over the course of 12 months, the U.S. Army discharged more than 500 immigrant enlistees who were recruited across the globe for their language or medical skills and promised a fast track to citizenship in exchange for their service, The Associated Press has found.

The decade-old Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest recruiting program was put on hold in 2016 amid concerns that immigrant recruits were not being screened sufficiently. The Army began booting out those enlistees last year without explanation .

More... (https://apnews.com/1ecc474ca5ac4833aa736f76bb572c7f)

[Gelston]

Trump is keeping his promises.

Wow, a President ended a program from a prior administration. How amazing.

[Astray]

To be fair, the military can discharge you for whatever it wants. It says as much in the contract you sign.

[Gelston]

To be fair, the military can discharge you for whatever it wants. It says as much in the contract you sign.

They weren't even actually in yet. They were on delayed enlistment, but until you actually complete initial training (boot camp and the various schools for your job) you can be admin sepped as if you were never in.

[Astray]

They weren't even actually in yet. They were on delayed enlistment, but until you actually complete initial training (boot camp and the various schools for your job) you can be admin sepped as if you were never in.

Oh. Well there ya go.

[Tgo01]

They weren't even actually in yet. They were on delayed enlistment, but until you actually complete initial training (boot camp and the various schools for your job) you can be admin sepped as if you were never in.

But it's the Trump administration. Trump is a racist who hates all foreigners because we all know all foreigners are black and brown. Ergo Trump personally kicked them out because they are brown.

[kutter]

They weren't even actually in yet. They were on delayed enlistment, but until you actually complete initial training (boot camp and the various schools for your job) you can be admin sepped as if you were never in.

Actually if I recall correctly you can be admin separated within 180 days after the first day one enters basic. I think for all services besides the Coast Guard that probably means a short time after A-School, or whatever the other services call the schools to get their MOS. The CG does not go right away from boot, not normally anyway, cooks might, but that is about it; everyone else goes to the field for a time then goes to school.

[Gelston]

Actually if I recall correctly you can be admin separated within 180 days after the first day one enters basic. I think for all services besides the Coast Guard that probably means a short time after A-School, or whatever the other services call the schools to get their MOS. The CG does not go right away from boot, not normally anyway, cooks might, but that is about it; everyone else goes to the field for a time then goes to school.

You recall wrong. First 9 months after you hit your first unit.

[kutter]

You recall wrong. First 9 months after you hit your first unit.

Maybe each service is different then. I know when I was but a wee lad, I was told if I did not get my shit into one sock they would kick me out so long as it was less than 180 days total service, so including boot.

[Gelston]

Maybe each service is different then. I know when I was but a wee lad, I was told if I did not get my shit into one sock they would kick me out so long as it was less than 180 days total service, so including boot.

Yeah they let them use failure to adapt as a reason to admin sep. It is a lot easier during training though. I only saw it used once in the actual Marine Corps.

[ClydeR]

Immigrants recruited for their language skills during prior Presidential administrations are being flagged as "disloyal" on counter-intelligence assessments if they admit that they keep up with lawsuits regarding the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program. When you're in the military, you have to put the country before your own self-interest.


“SHE follows the lawsuit by the MAVNIs and SHE feels like the MAVNIs are being harmed because they are described as a threat to National Security,” reads the counterintelligence assessment report shared with BuzzFeed News, using the shorthand for the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest program, which has naturalized nearly 11,000 foreign-born service members since 2009.

The reports include a section labeled “Issues Discovered,” which lists seven categories: Financial, Loyalty, Character, Criminal, Honesty, Financial Ties, and Other. The screener then checks one of three boxes, indicating whether the recruit presents a major, moderate or minor risk based on those factors.

The “Loyalty” section also noted that “throughout the interview process SHE said due to […] delays with the MAVNI process, she feels discriminated against and denied her citizenship.”

More... (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/verabergengruen/immigrant-recruits-are-having-their-loyalty-questioned-for)

[~Rocktar~]

Pretty sure that when you sign on the line, you gave the country a blank check for anything and everything you have up to and including your life. It's pretty clear in the paperwork and they will give it to you in multiple languages. If you don't know this, then you are not paying attention when you sign up. If you are just there for a paycheck, citizenship or GI bill then likely you are not the most trustworthy person when it comes to national security and secrets.