Redux and Unarmed Combat

[Riltus]

Formula:


UAC Damage Taken = (1- Redux Factor) * Total Calculated Damage

Example


UAF: 154 vs UDF: 116 = 1.327 * MM: 100 + d100: 81 = 213
... and hit for 106 points of damage!
Amazing kick goes through abdomen without slowing, sending stomach flying out through the back!

Redux Factor: 0.200
Kick DF vs cloth: 0.400
ER success margin: 113 (213 - 100)
Calculated raw damage: 45 (113 * 0.4)
Crit damage: 88 (Kick R11 Abdomen Crit)
Total calculated damage: 133 (45 raw + 88 crit)
Actual damage taken: 106

UAC damage = (1 - 0.200 redux factor) * 133 total calc damage = 106 actual damage

This is not the same formula that is used with AS-based attacks. Redux is more effective against AS damage then UAC damage. If this was an AS-based attack the damage taken would have been no more than 100 with a high probability of a lower crit outcome.

Mark

[gilchristr]

Do you think this is a bug or an intended feature? Any guesses?

[rolfard]

Bc uac isnt available to critters, its likely unbalanced vs padding. Then again some critters have native padding so better get a NIR

[Riltus]

Do you think this is a bug or an intended feature? Any guesses?

I don't think it's a bug. UAC criticals have ranges based on position (Decent R1 to R5), (Good R4 to R8), (Excellent R7 to R11). I think, because of this arbitrary limiting factor, a modified damage reduction formula was implemented.

This attack was posted by Rolfard and commented on by Finros in the Unarmed Combat topic. Actual damage taken was 21 points but the calculated damage is 30 points (6 raw + 24 crit) which clearly demonstrates a redux factor of approximately .300. Since Finros knew that the target had redux, I believe he would have noted that it was a bug at that time.

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Hunting%20and%20Combat/Unarmed%20Combat/view/85
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Hunting%20and%20Combat/Unarmed%20Combat/view/207


You attempt to kick target!
You have good positioning against target.
UAF: 152 vs UDF: 497 = 0.305 * MM: 73 + d100: 98 = 120
... and hit for 21 points of damage!
Flying axe kick seriously rattles Picler's noggin.
He is stunned!
Strike leaves foe vulnerable to a target jab attack!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

Resulted in a second degree head wound. (target is a rogue with capped redux wearing FGB)

I'm in the process of updating the UAC critical tables to include a status effect (induced roundtime) that can only be observed by the target of an unarmed strike. Neither the combat panel nor the messaging give any indication to the attacker that the target has suffered an RT penalty. It's a relatively low percentage of criticals that have this unique status effect association. I've completed both the JAB and GRAPPLE tables and updated the wiki. I've been unable to determine if/how creatures are affected by these RTs.

Here are a couple of examples from the target's POV:


UAF: 164 vs UDF: 170 = 0.964 * MM: 78 + d100: 92 = 167
... and hit for 61 points of damage!
Spine snaps like a dry twig!

It seems you have died, my friend. Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 14 mins...
Roundtime: 20 sec.


UAF: 164 vs UDF: 126 = 1.301 * MM: 73 + d100: 16 = 111
... and hit for 31 points of damage!
Good blow to gut disturbs last night's dinner! You suddenly go pale!
You are stunned for 6 rounds!
Roundtime: 10 sec.

Mark

[gilchristr]

"I've been unable to determine if/how creatures are affected by these RTs"

Do you need a group of UAC'ers to all jab a monster until you get observe RT inducing criticals from everyone in the group, and see if the monster is rate locked as a result (which would imply that the small RT result from each player stacked for an observable RT locking effect on the monster)?

[Riltus]

"I've been unable to determine if/how creatures are affected by these RTs"

Do you need a group of UAC'ers to all jab a monster until you get observe RT inducing criticals from everyone in the group, and see if the monster is rate locked as a result (which would imply that the small RT result from each player stacked for an observable RT locking effect on the monster)?

It appears that the RT penalty does not stack on itself but refreshes. Tested with two back-to-back R11 Grapple Back criticals (20 sec RT each) on a golem. Whether or not it stacks with other RT adders would need to be tested individually. I know for certain that it did not stack with Bind (214). Also, noncorps, that I tested, were immune to the RT effect.

The total number of UAC criticals that induce RT as a status effect.

JAB: 15 of 143
GRAPPLE: 25 of 143
PUNCH: 7 of 143
KICK: 3 of 143

TOTAL: 50 of 572 (8.75%)

Where 143 is the total number of unique critical rank/body location combinations for each damage type.


Edited to add list of criticals with roundtime status effects (RT with number of seconds).

LEGEND

A - Amputation (limb loss)
F - Fatal (death critical)
Fv - Favors limb
K w/ksp - Knockdown (Kk kneeling),(Kp prone),(Ks sitting)
R - Injury level (rank 1, 2 or 3)
RT - induced roundtime with number of seconds
S - Stun w/number of rounds
Sil - Silence
Slo - Slow effect
Slp - Sleep (unconscious state)
x - Unknown stun round

JAB


Location|Rank|Damage|Message|Status Effects|Wounds
Head|4|4|Minor strike to head puts the [target] momentarily off-balance.|RT2|None
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Neck|3|2|Light jab to throat makes the [target] swallow.|RT2|None
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R Eye|7|10|Fist smashes into right eye, temporarily blinding the [target]. That'll leave a mark!|S4 RT5|R1
L Eye|7|10|Fist smashes into left eye, temporarily blinding the [target]. That'll leave a mark!|S4 RT5|R1
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Chest|4|6|Strong push to chest unbalances foe.|RT2|None
Chest|5|9|Flurry of jabs to the ribs leaves the [target] winded!|RT5|R1
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Abdomen|4|6|Light punch to stomach makes the [target] gasp.|RT2|None
Abdomen|5|9|Sinking jab to gut causes the [target] to exhale sharply.|RT5|R1
Abdomen|8|18|Strong strike to abdomen makes the [target] gasp for air|S3 RT10|R1
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Back|4|6|Double jab to upper and lower back momentarily unbalances it.|RT2|None
Back|10|26|Hard shot to back makes the [target] stagger!|S4 Ks RT10|R2
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R Arm|6|5|Right arm knocked aside in a twisting lunge!|RT2|R1
L Arm|6|5|Left arm knocked aside in a twisting lunge!|RT2|R1
R Arm|9|13|Lightning fast jab to the right arm, which goes limp.|S3 Fv RT5|R2
L Arm|9|13|Lightning fast jab to the left arm, which goes limp.|S3 Fv RT5|R2


GRAPPLE


Location|Rank|Damage|Message|Status Effects|Wounds
Head|2|6|Brief ear hold yanks the [target]'s head to the side!|RT2|R1
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Neck|2|6|Weak grip. Fingernails leave bloody scratches as foe pulls away.|RT2|R1
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R Eye|11|40|Double gouge puts both eyeballs as the first thing in the [target]'s mind!|F RT20|R3 eye R2 head
L Eye|11|40|Double gouge puts both eyeballs as the first thing in the [target]'s mind!|F RT20|R3 eye R2 head
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Chest|2|8|Slam to chest forces a grunt from the [target]!|RT2|R1
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Abdomen|4|16|Grapple to stomach pins the [target] neatly!|S4 Slo RT10|R1
Abdomen|7|28|Good blow to gut disturbs last night's dinner! The [target] suddenly looks pale!|S6 Slo RT10|R2
Abdomen|9|36|Forceful squeeze compresses digestive system!|S10 RT10|R2
Abdomen|10|40|Incredible clench abruptly gives the [target] a wasp-waist figure!|F RT10|R3
Abdomen|11|44|The [target] is nearly torn into two pieces as the abdomen is compressed back toward the spine!|F RT10|R3
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Back|2|8|Powerful shove to the shoulder blades staggers foe!|RT2|R1
Back|3|12|Abrupt charge impacts the back, throwing the [target] forward!|Kk RT5|R1
Back|4|16|Sudden pressure on spine causes the [target] to sit up and pay attention!|RT10|R1
Back|10|40|Strong clench to back bends foe far over! That may be the [target]'s last bow!|F RT20|R3
Back|11|44|Spine snaps like a dry twig!|F RT20|R3
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R Arm|2|6|Right arm twisted behind back, throwing the [target] off-balance.|Fv RT2|R1
L Arm|2|6|Left arm twisted behind back, throwing the [target] off-balance.|Fv RT2|R1
R Arm|3|9|Right arm grabbed and twisted behind back. Bones begin to crack.|Fv RT5|R1
L Arm|3|9|Left arm grabbed and twisted behind back. Bones begin to crack.|Fv RT5|R1
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R Hand|2|4|Hard finger wrench, but the [target] quickly recovers.|RT2|R1
L Hand|2|4|Hard finger wrench, but the [target] quickly recovers.|RT2|R1
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R Leg|2|6|Grab to right ankle briefly pulls the [target] off-balance.|RT2|R1
L Leg|2|6|Grab to left ankle briefly pulls the [target] off-balance.|RT2|R1
R Leg|4|12|Well-executed reap leaves the [target] stumbling to maintain balance!|Fv RT5|R2
L Leg|4|12|Well-executed reap leaves the [target] stumbling to maintain balance!|Fv RT5|R2

PUNCH


Location|Rank|Damage|Message|Status Effects|Wounds
Chest|5|25|Quick strike to sternum makes the [target] gasp for air.|S3 RT5|R2
Chest|8|40|Sudden impact to chest! That'll make its day|S6 RT10|R3
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Abdomen|2|10|Swift blow to gut causes the [target] to gasp, and leaves behind a light bruise.|RT2|R1
Abdomen|6|30|Cross punch to abdomen drives breath out with a WHOOF!|S4 RT10|R2
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Back|4|20|Strike to shoulder blade briefly staggers foe!|S2 RT5|R1
Back|9|45|Powerful blow damages spine, making it difficult for the [target] to straighten up. Put your back into it!|S8 Kk RT10|R3
Back|10|50|Crippling blow to spinal column! Motor control lost!|S10 Ks RT20|R3

KICK


Location|Rank|Damage|Message|Status Effects|Wounds
Abdomen|3|24|Rotating kick catches the [target] in the pit of the stomach. *WHOOF!*|S2 RT2|R1
Abdomen|5|40|Front kick to midsection doubles the [target] over!|S4 RT5|R2
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Back|4|32|Square kick to back knocks the wind out of the [target]!|S3 RT5|R1


Mark