Sahra is an idiot

[Insodus]

Sahra smiles and pets her dragon's leathery nose before clambering upon its knee and scaling its bent neck to assume the saddle. "Fly, HuoLong!" she cries in a grating voice. With a horrendous hiss, the dragon gathers itself, and leaps into the sky, dwindling quickly from sight. You wonder, absently, why you don't have a dragon, too.

I get so sick of seeing this every day. Sahra, whoever you are, thats not roleplay you FUCKING TOOL.

[StrayRogue]

Report is your friend...

[HarmNone]

Yeah. I'm with Stay. That little scenario breaks just about every rule in the book, including those against blatant stupidity. ;)

[Drew]

Wow, it's bad on so many levels, sometimes you just have to salute the person for being consistent.

[Hulkein]

:ultimate:

[SpunGirl]

That's fucking terrible. Where do I begin?

-K

[Hips]

Can I have a dragon too? :(

But yeah, seriously, report. That's just ridiculous.

[4a6c1]

is this for real?

:nutty:

[Kainen]

Yeah it's for real.. I saw that dumb bitch do the same thing.. I was too astonished at the absolute retardedness of it to report her.

[Insodus]

You see Sahra Bat-Fagrstrom the Evoker.....She is wearing a kelyn engagement ring.

Who would want to RP a wedding with that dumb bitch.

I can't believe a lvl 50ish wizard and a member of brigatta would do something so stupid.

[Bobmuhthol]

Her movement scripts suck, too.

[Toxicvixen]

"Fly, HuoLong!" she cries in a grating voice.


At least she admits she has a grating voice. What a horrible name for a fake dragon. Could have at least named him Trogdor. I would have reported.

[Caramia]

Heh. I haven't seen the horse thing, but I did see a very similar dragon smile and action (it's a three-parter) thing abused in Ta'Illistim the other night, from someone name Lailo. They must be related. Yes, I reported it too. Dang right it's not roleplaying.

[kheldarin]

TROGDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!

[Ilvane]

Horses wouldn't be as unbelievable, but the dragon...hehe.

-A

[Parkbandit]

It made my character wonder why he doesn't have a dragon too.. because that's exactly what Falgrin would do.

No.. actually Falgrin would wonder how quickly he could clean her out, since she is obviously too stupid to own silvers.

[Sinful Saint]

HuoLong is chinese for Fire Dragon :D

Stack up another count for blatant stupidity.

[Fallen]

I understand that the messaging is right before a queued movement script, but has anyone attempted to explain to this person how very wrong those ACTS/SMILES are? Some people seriously have no idea that making use of the verbs in that way is against TOS. Free-form RP is widly accepted in many RPGS.

[Fallen]

I looked, but cannot find specific text which defines the Act/Smile policy. Can someone please pull it up for me, if it does exist, and post it both here and in the other thread regarding this character?

If it is not specifically stated anywhere, could we try to list the DO's and DON'T's we are sure that govern the verb?

[Kainen]

I don't explain or say anything to people I see doing obviously retarded things with the act/smile verbs because in all honesty I don't think it makes any damn differance.

[Parkbandit]

Knowing Simutronics, I bet there isn't anything put in black and white.

My thoughts are this: Make it something you can do and don't make your smiles or acts roleplay for other people in the room.

[CrystalTears]

I couldn't find anything in the TOS either, Fallen. I think it's more about discussing the actual verbs and its uses and that usually is discussed on the boards or with speaking with a GM about it.

They really should put up a document about the correct uses for smile and ACT that don't abuse them.

[Fallen]

Hmm, when I have the time today I will try to ask on the boards for specific clarification.

Who knows what is ACTUALLY allowed, and what is simply player enforced ideals?

[Wezas]

It was wrong - but I didn't think it was horrible until this part:

"You wonder, absently, why you don't have a dragon, too."

Before I played GS - I was a developer on a few smaller MUDs. The #1 rule in room creation was "don't make them feel something". You couldn't say "The tablet in the corner of the room makes your heart beat a tick faster" - because for all you know they could be undead, or vampires, or whatever.

You can't implant thoughts into people's heads.

Unless of course you're the Borg.

[YancyDC]

If there isn't anything specifically saying what can and can't be in smile and act verbs, wouldn't her making a dragon that isn't there and a the aforementioned implied feeling be against policy? Dragons are in the game's lore, for chrissake, and some jackass sure as hell wouldn't be riding them like the Lone Ranger.

[4a6c1]

HiHo HuoLong AWAY!!!

:no:

[DeV]

Blatant retardation is uncool.

While the policy on the Act/Smile verbs may not be clearly spelled out, I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to be using the 'smile' verb to conjure a flying dragon mount. :lol:

[Insodus]

Exactly. But someone said they wouldn't mind a horse? Why would you not? We can't mount anymore for a reason. They took them out of the game, I don't remember exactly why, but they did. So why would she magically have one and no one else?

Everytime I see this I struggle with myself on whether to kill her or not... I mean, I'm more pissed at the player, not Sahra the character.

[Kainen]

I will pester the fuck outta her with questions next time I see her do that.. Hey where did you get that dragon?.. it a boy or a girl?.. does it bite?.. can I pet it?.. did you buy it or raise it yourself?.. whats thier natural enviroment?.. did you train it yourself or is there someone who trained it for you?... oh yes I can go on :D

[Fallen]

Everytime I see this I struggle with myself on whether to kill her or not... I mean, I'm more pissed at the player, not Sahra the character.>>

Killing her would be an IC response to an OOC act. Best to report.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Fallen
Everytime I see this I struggle with myself on whether to kill her or not... I mean, I'm more pissed at the player, not Sahra the character.>>

Killing her would be an IC response to an OOC act. Best to report.

I killed her because I was so envious that I didn't have a dragon I just couldn't go on with the jealously! The bitch had to die!

[HarmNone]

A good rule of thumb for "acts" is: What would this look like if the person I'm trying to impress did a "Look" command right now? Would they see a dragon? Would they see me flying off on a dragon? Would they actually feel as I say they'd feel, or think what I say they'd think?

Nope, they wouldn't see a dragon. Nope, they wouldn't see you fly off into the sunset. Nope, you can never know what another person will think, so don't start trying to tell them what they think.

Yeah, we can't mount anything. Since parts of the world arn't in the game, does it mean they do not exist either? Dragons are not pets, it is documented. Horses (holy shit, check this one out) DO EXIST IN GS4!!11

- Arkans

Originally posted by Tijay
I killed her because I was so envious that I didn't have a dragon I just couldn't go on with the jealously! The bitch had to die!

:lol: That is a great excuse.

"But Andraste, I found myself wondering why I didn't have my own dragon, and then I thought why not take hers?"

[Drew]

Originally posted by Kainen
I will pester the fuck outta her with questions next time I see her do that.. Hey where did you get that dragon?.. it a boy or a girl?.. does it bite?.. can I pet it?.. did you buy it or raise it yourself?.. whats thier natural enviroment?.. did you train it yourself or is there someone who trained it for you?... oh yes I can go on :D

Don't legitimize it. Just ignore and report.

[sahra]

Whoa ... lighten up, boys and girls!

I was testing a feature at 3:30 AM, and obviously overstepped the bounds of propriety. Sorry! I've ripped the feature out of SBC, so nobody has to worry about 237 newbies riding dragons through TSC (though honestly, I think it would be hysterical). It's just a harmless movement script again.

Wow ... what drives this level of anger? Since when does someone showing you a dragon for 3/4ths of a second turn into mind-rape? Do you know how weird it sounds, complaining that "someone else is forcing thoughts into my mind"? (grin)

And Isn't there a part of you that -- before you call someone a nasty name in a public forum -- stops and thinks: "Hmmm ... do I really want to be that much like the Comic-Book Guy in the Simpsons?"

Worst ... Roleplay ... EVER!! (laugh)

[Toxicvixen]

Yes as a matter of fact I do.

I always think to myself, What Would The Comic Book Guy Do?

http://spiffyaddictions.com/Pics/comicbookguy.jpg

[Ilvane]

I don't understand the anger either Sahra, but I commend you for taking the comments to heart, and taking them out of your script.

Imagination sometimes doesn't get the best response in GS.

"That's not real!" :yelling and screaming:

hehe.

-A

[HarmNone]

Good call, Sahra. I think your script will be much more valuable to people now. :)

[Fallen]

Good call, Sahra. I think your script will be much more valuable to people now. >>

Agreed. At the least, it will keep you out of trouble with the GMs.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by sahra
Whoa ... lighten up, boys and girls!

I was testing a feature at 3:30 AM, and obviously overstepped the bounds of propriety. Sorry! I've ripped the feature out of SBC, so nobody has to worry about 237 newbies riding dragons through TSC (though honestly, I think it would be hysterical). It's just a harmless movement script again.

Wow ... what drives this level of anger? Since when does someone showing you a dragon for 3/4ths of a second turn into mind-rape? Do you know how weird it sounds, complaining that "someone else is forcing thoughts into my mind"? (grin)

And Isn't there a part of you that -- before you call someone a nasty name in a public forum -- stops and thinks: "Hmmm ... do I really want to be that much like the Comic-Book Guy in the Simpsons?"

Worst ... Roleplay ... EVER!! (laugh)

Problem is.. where is the line? When IS it wrong to use act and smile to force a roleplay upon someone else? You say you are only forcing someone to see a dragon for 3/4ths of a second.. well, I suppose I could kill you and raise you in that same amount of time.. is that ok? How about I rape you in that amount of time.. still ok? How about I kill everyone in the room, rape them.. then raise them all up in that amount of time.. good? What if I had aliens come down.. kill me, kill everyone in the room, raise me, rape you guys and then raise everyone and then fly off.. still fine?

There is a right and wrong way to use smile/act. You choose to use it in the wrong way.. and were called out on it. If you didn't know about act/smile.. now you do.

Lesson learned I hope.

[Axhinde]

Does the raping come before or after you kill them?

[Warriorbird]

That type of stuff feeds and encourages other nonsense. No point in reporting it. Mocking works a lot better. Brauden would merely tell you, "Don't report, assist." and then tell you to shut up if you reported anything more. Point out how monumentally uncool it is. About all you can do.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Axhinde
Does the raping come before or after you kill them?

Both. And if I needed a group of people raped in 3/4ths of a second.. I would need to call upon your talents Axe.. ala Minuteman.

[Axhinde]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Axhinde
Does the raping come before or after you kill them?

Both. And if I needed a group of people raped in 3/4ths of a second.. I would need to call upon your talents Axe.. ala Minuteman.

:lol: Has your wife been telling stories about me again? Speaking of your wife, where is she? I woke up and she was gone!

[Warriorbird]

The untold story of Parkbandit and Axhinde, now told!

Spiritual brothers with a certain special problem.

http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/landing/landingIndex.jsp?id=stunt_ccks&mature=accept

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Axhinde

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Axhinde
Does the raping come before or after you kill them?

Both. And if I needed a group of people raped in 3/4ths of a second.. I would need to call upon your talents Axe.. ala Minuteman.

:lol: Has your wife been telling stories about me again? Speaking of your wife, where is she? I woke up and she was gone!

She said she really wasn't into snacks.. so she came home to the Beef.

bastard.

[Shari]

So...let me see if I've got this straight, if I scream out a line of obscenities that takes 3/4th of a second to put up on the screen, then its okay?

Honestly though, I know there are much more worse things to bitch about regarding roleplay, but you are only helping to show newbies that stuff like this can fly (no pun intended) in the game and that's what pisses me off.

Even without this ACT, n00bs are capable of some pretty fuckinb stupid shit. II know, I've been there.

- Arkans

[Shari]

Have you left yet?

<runs>

[Divinity]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
The untold story of Parkbandit and Axhinde, now told!

Spiritual brothers with a certain special problem.

http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/landing/landingIndex.jsp?id=stunt_ccks&mature=accept

I can't believe I just watched that. You have interesting taste in movies. :wow:

[Ilvane]

Personally, I think there are much larger issues that need to be address. This isn't THAT bad compared to those.

-A

[Warriorbird]

Err... I think out of character actions ARE one of the larger issues. Especially from folks who should know better.

[faiyth]

Horses don't exist in GS4? I've seen so many merchants with them and even a wedding where the bride rode down the isle on one (and I LOOKed.. and didn't see a horse).. The GMs do it for weddings all the time, making that special mood messaging. Sometimes it just takes a little suspension of belief.

But just you wait until they bring in the Pegasus travel system and all you evil scary people are flying around on lil fluffy white pegasus. I can't wait.. but then... this is a dream come true for me. ;)

[CrystalTears]

GM's always do things that they don't allow players to do. I wouldn't rely on that reasoning (i.e. riding horses in GM weddings, making shimmering items and then not allowing players to use them in alterations, etc).

I think horses have always been this grey area as far as roleplaying. Horses DO exist in the realm, we just can't actively ride them anywhere. It can make roleplaying with them difficult since they are not available to interact with. However you can't shoot it down with the excuse that they don't exist because they do. Very much so.

[Edited on 2/11/2005 by CrystalTears]

[Parkbandit]

When you start down that slippery slope.. it's hard to stop.

Just don't do it. If you have to abuse smile and act for your roleplay.. you suck at roleplaying.

I played the game for years.. never had to abuse either of those verbs.

[faiyth]

I think I can believe that horses and dragons exist in the game without abusing the smile/act verb... I don't think it's a if you believe they exist you suck at roleplay type of thing.

I think I probably have abused the act/smile verb before in regards to my kobolds. Like I use it to wink at them (since you can't wink at them otherwise) to kiss them on the cheek, etc etc.. but theres always a kobold in the room when I do it. I don't invent kobolds that only I can see. Though I think a character that sees things no one else ever sees would be a fun one to roleplay.. of course they'd be crazy.. or have many imaginary friends.

I think the difference is realizing that what your doing is likely going to get your character labelled a freak. I roleplay Faiyth as raised by kobolds, so she IS a freak.. I wouldn't expect people to think differently. So I'll kiss/lick/eat/bite/wink/snuggle the kobolds (who I otherwise couldn't interact with) all I want in smiles and acts.. see if you can stop me. :P heh.

[Ilvane]

Can I ask a serious question? Can you really not ride a horse in Elanthia? Could it be feasible to ride a dragon someday as well?

I don't really get the big screaming issue of the fundementals of her thoughts..I do understand the smile abuse problem. She could pretend..doesn't mean people wouldn't think she was crazy if she saw a dragon in front of her and no one else did.

I think the big issues are the oocisms that are so bad out there in Elanthia. In comparison to horses and dragons..which do exist..those are far more important to me.

-A

[CrystalTears]

Well when those OOCisms are brought here to discuss, we'll rip those apart too. :D

[Fallen]

The last line of her script is irrefutably abuse.

"Just for a moment, you wonder why you don't have a dragon."

Or some such nonsense. I dont care what line you wish to draw with these animals, Ilvane, you do not tell others how they think and feel with a smile/act verb.

-

Edited to add: Right now, I am thinking someone will respond with, "But She SAID it was "Just for a moment!!!".

[Edited on 2-11-2005 by Fallen]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Can I ask a serious question? Can you really not ride a horse in Elanthia? Could it be feasible to ride a dragon someday as well?

I don't really get the big screaming issue of the fundementals of her thoughts..I do understand the smile abuse problem. She could pretend..doesn't mean people wouldn't think she was crazy if she saw a dragon in front of her and no one else did.

I think the big issues are the oocisms that are so bad out there in Elanthia. In comparison to horses and dragons..which do exist..those are far more important to me.

-A

There is a difference between pretending to believe in dragons.. and using the smile verb to create that which isn't there. You don't need to abuse the smile verb to illustrate her believing in dragons.

Wow.

She said it was "just for a moment," give the girl some slack.

[Fallen]

Wow.

She said it was "just for a moment," give the girl some slack. >>

........ I KNEW IT!!

:rofl:

I'VE BEEN HAD.

[Ilvane]

I wish someone would read what I said..;)

I didn't say that her smile was ok..I said that dragons and horses weren't ooc!! :-P

It's the harping on that that's a bit silly.

-A

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Can I ask a serious question? Can you really not ride a horse in Elanthia? Could it be feasible to ride a dragon someday as well?

I don't really get the big screaming issue of the fundementals of her thoughts..I do understand the smile abuse problem. She could pretend..doesn't mean people wouldn't think she was crazy if she saw a dragon in front of her and no one else did.

I think the big issues are the oocisms that are so bad out there in Elanthia. In comparison to horses and dragons..which do exist..those are far more important to me.

-A

It's not a question of if they exist or could you ride them, but more the matter than you can't currently ride them or own them that people probably take issue with.

If I saw someone acting or smiling they were riding a horse or a dragon, or some other animal, and the animal wasn't in the room, I would just think they were deluded. Perhaps they worship Zelia.

[SpunGirl]

It's not that the Griffin Sword doesn't exist in the game, so by this logic I should also be able to use ACT and SMILE to pretend that I'm twiriling it around and using it to slash at NPCs around town, right?

-K

[Caramia]

::pokes Spun:: A little common sense, sweet pea! You know that's an NPC-controlled quest, and actual pieces of it do exist... somewhere. But you go ahead, kitten! I wanna watch you swing that sword when Marvule is around!

:blndwhip:

[SpunGirl]

Well, I'm sure Ilvane wouldn't have a problem with it. :grin:

<3 Angela.

-K

[YancyDC]

Originally posted by Ilvane
I wish someone would read what I said..;)

I didn't say that her smile was ok..I said that dragons and horses weren't ooc!! :-P

It's the harping on that that's a bit silly.

-A

It's not really that's it OOC, it's the interaction with them that's wrong. If I see the drake swooping around spectres in Icemule, it doesn't give me an excuse to make a script where I'm riding it around from TC to the well.

[Fallen]

Well, I'm sure Ilvane wouldn't have a problem with it.

<3 Angela.

-K >>

hahahahah

It is a problem, but there are more serious ones indeed. For instance, warn whores.

- Arkans

[Ilvane]

Hey, you can try to spin around and use pieces.;) Of course..you would been seen as crazy..much like I would see Sahra!

Am I not communicating myself well? heh.

-A

[Warriorbird]

Eh. I categorize it right around the level of the fellow who's got an assload of Pernese fire lizard alters (blatant Anne McCaffery ripoff) that he conned Sukara into making....

if you can totally break reality, do you then have a problem with Klaive being a White Wolf style Werewolf? with the corny people playing Vampire the Masquerade? with the fellows declaring they're rolling with 50 cent and Jay Z?

It's weak not to point it out as flawed. This is not a freeform AOL chat. This is not Red Dragon Inn.

I don't mean to be offensive, things like that just always got to me.

You want to break the boundaries within Elanthia? Sure. Taking in things from other sources and then abusing verbs to force other people into buying it? Bleah.

[DCSL]

Mmm, Red Dragon Inn. Now that brings back some irretrivable memories. Ah, RhyDin, how thou art fallen.

To be on-topic... I disagree. Sahra is not an idiot and neither is her player. Sahra-the-character has some hilarious stories about halfling mating habits.

[Edited on 2-12-2005 by DCSL]

I think I got kicked out of a chat room called the Red Dragon Inn, I was doing a real good Bloodninja impersonation too! Stupid AOL implementing that the creator can be the official destroyer. :(

[Toxicvixen]

Did you put on your wizard's hat and robe? :lol: I don't know how many times I hear that, it still makes me randy! RAWR! ;)

Even *I* thought I was a rhino...

some people can't understand the flattery involved in mimicry :(

[4a6c1]

Whoa Rhydin! That brings back memories. Every person who ever played that can be accused of being a drama king/queen. DONT ARGUE. I did it too. Here I will help jog your memories...

:::LordGreatHeroMan opens the door to the tavern and looks over everyone carefully with his beautiful lovely sparkly silver eyes. His manlyness overcomes you and you are compelled to cum. He chuckles slightly and walk over to the bar, his darkly dark midnight inky darkness of a cape twiiiiirling behind him(dj kicks mixes the record a bit) twirl twirl twiiiiirling behind him.::::

^ only the freakin entrance :S

[Kainen]

:lol: I remember playing a male jester obsessed with bricks. People would get all pissed off because I was walking around the tavern looking for loose bricks in the fireplaces and such. "Cant you see we are seriously roleplaying in here?!?!?!?!"

[Warriorbird]

Eh. I don't think Sahra's an evil person or seriously stupid or anything. She's certainly not Klaive-esque. I just think it's really bad RP to be promoting in Gemstone.

Places like WBS and Red Dragon Inn exist and existed for that sort've thing.

[Edited on 2-12-2005 by Warriorbird]

[faiyth]

I hate to admit it... but Red Dragon Inn.. AND Vampire the masquerade.. I did em both in like 1994... then I met some really nice guy who played a character called Galyden in GS3 on AOL and I started playing with him... but I still remember the days when all my actions were ::walks into the tavern and winks at the bartendar before making her way to a table in the back:: I was a good lil werewolf. Hehe!

And now I date a real firecat in GS4.. things just never change.

[DCSL]

Oh yes, there was drama. And I played a werewolf too. Yay! But I played more in the RhyDin Sparring Ring and then the Grand Central Arena. Yeah... I was in the little Japanese-worshipping clique that played characters from video games. Don't hate me, I grew up (a little) I swear!

[Myitkyina]

gah, I've been reluctant to post because I hate to bump this thread... could we move this discussion to another thread please? Sahra is not an idiot, not at all, and she's already addressed the concerns that started this thread. For awhile now, this thread has been about something else entirely...

[Artha]

Hi, welcome to the mod team.

[Warriorbird]

Err, actually it's quite about what it started with. Misuse of act/smile and the issues with completely freeform RP.

[Myitkyina]

there's a whole other thread about the misuse of smile/act... so let's move it there.

[HarmNone]

Actually, this thread is fine where it is. It's a Gemstone Complaint and it's in Gemstone Complaints, specifically under Character Complaints because it's a complaint about the way a specific character is played. The comments being made are on-topic, since the problem with the character is the way the character is being roleplayed.

You'll often see threads that are talking about similar things. It's the way the boards work.

[Artha]

Hi, welcome to the mod team.
Oh wait, you aren't on it.

[Warriorbird]

Referencing a specific person, it goes a specific place, thanks. And lo, I'm not even a mod!

[Insodus]

Allow me to put it back on topic where I started it. Sahra is an idiot for needing to use smile for creative RP. There are so many ways to be creative in GS, use your god damn head. I wouldn't care one bit if it was...

Sahra smiles and pretends to get on what you can only imagine is a horse or dragon. She yells, "Off HouLong!" and runs away quietly making gallaping noises to herself.

(Monty Python anyone?)

That would be creative, and it would convey the point that her character is indeed retarded.

When you make up things that aren't there, or make up thoughts that other people aren't thinking, its just plain abuse.

[Caramia]

Heh... Rhydin and the Medieval Tavern. I used to lurk mostly and then laugh with some of the other folks there, in IMs, about those three paragraph long entry macros.

I ignore people who insist they're vampires, wolves, and other weird things, because they're attention whores. What, being an elf wizard isn't special enough for you, because you are one in real life?

[4a6c1]

Yeah. I was one of those laughable types who had uber paragraphs of doom just to scratch the itty bitty booger off the nose or something. :lol:

Wow. I was so young then. Oh well, everyone has to start somewhere, hmm? I stopped playing in Rhydin when I went to Gemtone through AOL. Memories!

err...yeah, Sahra. About that dragon....:no:

[Caiylania]

It's crazy on the Brigatta e-mail group right now too. At least she fixed it, and I must say, wether I agree with how she did it, at least she tried to be creative with stale scripts. From what I've seen of her redesigned ones they are better.

[SpunGirl]

While I hate the dragon thing, I think she should get a thumbs-up for fixing it without trying to make some retarded argument about her roleplay being stifled, or something else lame like we've seen here before. Good for her.

-K

I think there are so many worse things. Like.. blood drenched items with runes of death and decay. EW

- Arkans

[Toxicvixen]

Yeah! Wouldn't the blood drenched be like dried by now?

Totally!

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Fortunately you can throw those down the well. Sadly you can't do that with people. :whistles:

[Fission]

Fortunately you can throw those down the well. Sadly you can't do that with people. :whistles:

People you have to convince to jump, and hope they have good aim.

:yes:

OMG 1 MILLION TO ANYONE WHO JUMPS

*JUMPS*

You exclaim, "HAHAHA FUCKING n00B I LIED!!!!!!"

- Arkans

[Edited on 2-15-2005 by Arkans]

[Warriorbird]

No more going demonic that way.

:(