How often do you use 1650?

[Jason13828]

Hi all,

My paladin is level 60 and I'm loving it (which is so strange because my low level paladin was such a drag to play). He currently has 120 and 1640. Uses OHE and Shield (cman feint, shield strike + shield strike mastery and mstrike are lots of fun).

I'm wondering if anyone can comment on how useful they find 1650. Is it a staple of your hunting at higher levels? Fun to mess around with? Never used unless during an invasion?

I'd also love to see some clips of people with 1618 and 1650 up using zeal and onslaught! This spell just seems so cool on paper that I'm wondering if the reality is quite a bit different. I'm guessing not many paladins go beyond 24/25 ranks in SMC (I only have 11 at 60) but 30 energy seems like enough to do some sweet sweet action.

[mgoddess]

Level 95, haven't switched skills up enough to get 1650 yet, probably won't until post-cap... which is part RP-choice, and part not-enough-TP's 'choice'.

Looking forward to reading what other paladins say about it, though!

[time4fun]

I use 1650 pretty regularly. Candidly, I use it for Onslaught more than anything else. I do try to work Zeal and Armor into the mix on occasion, but the fact that Zeal has a 3 second soft cast RT makes me less likely to use it for serious situations (mostly I just use it to use it every once in a while). I'm already doing the 1602/1614/1630 routine in large groups. Adding another 3 seconds of RT to what is already 9 seconds is excessive.

But Armor has saved my life once or twice, and onslaught has definitely saved my life (and weapon) several times.

[Jason13828]

Any chance you have some logs or could take some logs of your action with 1650?

[time4fun]

>incarn onsl
You issue a drawling, affable prayer to Ivas and feel a familiar desire settle upon you. Sensual and insatiable, ethereal green tentacles wreathe your star, and in a gyrating attack, you lash out against all that surround you.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir champion!
The Ithzir champion dodges just in the nick of time!
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +647 vs DS: +348 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +74 = +410
... and hit for 154 points of damage!
Right leg ripped from socket at the knee!
An Ithzir seer falls to the ground grasping her mangled right leg!
As you strike the seer, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
Vines of vicious briars whip out from your mithril morning star, raking the seer with its thorns. The seer looks slightly ill as the glistening emerald coating from each briar works itself under its skin.
... 30 points of damage!
Fierce arm lock twists an Ithzir seer's left arm!
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at a war griffin!
AS: +647 vs DS: +280 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +28 = +426
... and hit for 160 points of damage!
Incredible strike pierces heart and runs the war griffin clean through!
The war griffin crashes to the ground, motionless.
A war griffin recovers from being rebuked, regaining its composure.
As you strike the griffin, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +647 vs DS: +408 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +66 = +342
... and hit for 122 points of damage!
Knocked back several feet by blow to abdomen.
As you strike the seer, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +647 vs DS: +333 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +20 = +371
... and hit for 138 points of damage!
Deft strike to the back cracks vertebrae!
The Ithzir seer is knocked to the ground!

** Necrotic energy from your mithril morning star overflows into you! **

You feel healed!
As you strike the seer, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


>incarn smite
Calling upon Ivas to lend you power, you watch as green tentacles encircle your star. Raising it high over your head, you slash at an Ithzir seer, releasing the writhing power of Ivas upon her.
[SMR result: 157 (Open d100: 62)]
An Ithzir seer is struck by the influx of divine energy, causing 94 damage!
An explosive burst engulfs her!
... 50 points of damage!
Head and most of upper body turned into a smoking pile of gore!
The Ithzir seer falls to the ground in a crumpled heap.
The opalescent aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
The deep blue glow leaves an Ithzir seer.
The Ithzir seer no longer bristles with energy.
The dim aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
The powerful look leaves an Ithzir seer.
An Ithzir seer seems to lose an aura of confidence.
The light blue glow leaves an Ithzir seer.
The wall of force disappears from around an Ithzir seer.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You sense that your divine energy has been exhausted.

[time4fun]

Sorry I didn't think to do this until the end of my hunt. I'll go grab some more logs of 1650 on the next hunt

[time4fun]

This is Onslaught plus Zeal:

You issue a drawling, affable prayer to Ivas and feel a familiar desire settle upon you. Sensual and insatiable, ethereal green tentacles wreathe your dhara, and in a gyrating attack, you lash out against all that surround you.
You swing a sleek tenebrous dhara at an Ithzir adept!
AS: +607 vs DS: +426 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +45 = +257
... and hit for 105 points of damage!
Blow to stomach rearranges some organs!
The Ithzir adept is stunned!

** Your tenebrous dhara is suddenly set ablaze with jade green flames that swirl in a violent vortex around it! **

... 30 points of damage!
Something gives in the Ithzir adept's neck!
It is knocked to the ground!

** A sickly green aura radiates from a sleek tenebrous dhara and seeps into an Ithzir adept's wounds! **

... 5 points of damage!
The Ithzir adept's right eye swells suddenly, causing great pain.
You swing a sleek tenebrous dhara at a greater construct!
AS: +607 vs DS: +254 with AvD: +18 + d100 roll: +47 = +418
... and hit for 80 points of damage!
Blow to chest causes the greater construct's heart to skip a beat.
The shimmering gold aura surrounding the greater construct flickers momentarily.
You feel the zeal of your patron surging throughout your body.

** Your tenebrous dhara is suddenly set ablaze with jade green flames that swirl in a violent vortex around it! **

... 1 point of damage!
Loose arm hold.

** Your tenebrous dhara pulses with a burst of plasma energy! **

... 25 points of damage!
Glaring burst to the greater construct's chest dances across skin leaving smoking holes!

Your tenebrous dhara suddenly lights up with hundreds of tiny blue sparks!
The shimmering gold aura surrounding the greater construct flickers momentarily.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
You swing a sleek tenebrous dhara at an Ithzir champion!
AS: +607 vs DS: +291 with AvD: +36 + d100 roll: +34 = +386
... and hit for 78 points of damage!
Hard hit shatters shield arm.
You feel the zeal of your patron surging throughout your body.

** Your tenebrous dhara is suddenly set ablaze with jade green flames that swirl in a violent vortex around it! **

... 15 points of damage!
Solid grapple to the back, back muscles pulled!
It is knocked to the ground!

[Jason13828]

Ohhhh man. That looks so fun. I love flares! Does Onslaught hit EVERYTHING? Or just what your MOC training allows with a normal mstrike?

Also once you finish an onslaught cant you mstrike right away without incurring a stamina penalty?

[Menos]

Onslaught hits everything and ignores part of defender's stance. You can also string more than one of them together.

[mgoddess]

Onslaught hits everything and ignores part of defender's stance. You can also string more than one of them together.

This plus T4F's logs are making me reconsider the awesomeness that 1650 could very well be. Time to call up a training spreadsheet!

[time4fun]

A few more to add to the temptation:


Onslaught

>incarn onsl
You issue a drawling, affable prayer to Ivas and feel a familiar desire settle upon you. Sensual and insatiable, ethereal green tentacles wreathe your star, and in a gyrating attack, you lash out against all that surround you.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir champion!
AS: +643 vs DS: +436 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +31 = +278
... and hit for 66 points of damage!
Left kneecap smashed into pulp.
The Ithzir champion is knocked to the ground!
As you strike the champion, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir adept!
AS: +643 vs DS: +493 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +47 = +234
... and hit for 78 points of damage!
Vertebrae in neck disintegrate from impact!
Neck sinks into shoulders.
The Ithzir adept falls to the ground in a crumpled heap.
The Ithzir adept no longer bristles with energy.
The glowing specks of energy surrounding an Ithzir adept suddenly shoot off in all directions, then quickly fade away.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves an Ithzir adept.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around an Ithzir adept.
An Ithzir adept becomes solid again.
The bright luminescence fades from around an Ithzir adept.
The shimmering multicolored sphere fades from around an Ithzir adept.
The silvery luminescence fades from around an Ithzir adept.

** Necrotic energy from your mithril morning star overflows into you! **

You feel healed!
As you strike the adept, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +643 vs DS: +465 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +6 = +221
... and hit for 83 points of damage!
Awesome shot shatters spine and punctures lung!
The Ithzir seer is knocked to the ground!
As you strike the seer, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir champion!
AS: +643 vs DS: +363 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +18 = +338
... and hit for 76 points of damage!
Beautiful head shot!
That ear will be missed!
As you strike the champion, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
Vines of vicious briars whip out from your mithril morning star, raking the champion with its thorns. The champion looks slightly ill as the glistening emerald coating from each briar works itself under its skin.
... 35 points of damage!
Dirt gets in the Ithzir champion's eyes as she is pushed to the ground.
It is knocked to the ground!
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +643 vs DS: +460 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +13 = +233
... and hit for 78 points of damage!
Hard blow breaks the femur!
The Ithzir seer is knocked to the ground!

** Necrotic energy from your mithril morning star overflows into you! **

You feel energized!

** Your mithril morning star pulses with a burst of plasma energy! **

... 15 points of damage!
Blistering bolt of energy causes the Ithzir seer's eyelid to burn to a crisp!
As you strike the seer, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>



Onslaught and Zeal

>incarn onsl
[isigils]>sigil of major bane
You issue a drawling, affable prayer to Ivas and feel a familiar desire settle upon you. Sensual and insatiable, ethereal green tentacles wreathe your star, and in a gyrating attack, you lash out against all that surround you.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir champion!
AS: +637 vs DS: +335 with AvD: +40 + d100 roll: +83 = +425
... and hit for 110 points of damage!
Crushing blow to head closes that eye for good.

** Necrotic energy from your mithril morning star overflows into you! **

You feel energized!

** Your mithril morning star is suddenly set ablaze with jade green flames that swirl in a violent vortex around it! **

... 15 points of damage!
Loose arm hold.
As you strike the champion, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +662 vs DS: +324 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +61 = +436
... and hit for 164 points of damage!
Spinal cord damaged by smash to the back.
The Ithzir seer asks incredulously, "Hor? Kla val ptath...?" then falls, her pupil-less green eyes frozen in a dead stare.
The opalescent aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
The deep blue glow leaves an Ithzir seer.
The Ithzir seer no longer bristles with energy.
The dim aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
An Ithzir seer seems to lose an aura of confidence.
The light blue glow leaves an Ithzir seer.
An Ithzir seer recovers from being rebuked, regaining her composure.
You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away.
As you strike the seer, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir seer!
AS: +637 vs DS: +349 with AvD: +37 + d100 roll: +81 = +406
... and hit for 142 points of damage!
Hard hit shatters weapon arm.
The Ithzir seer falls to the ground in a crumpled heap.
The opalescent aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
The deep blue glow leaves an Ithzir seer.
The Ithzir seer no longer bristles with energy.
The dim aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
The powerful look leaves an Ithzir seer.
An Ithzir seer seems to lose an aura of confidence.
The light blue glow leaves an Ithzir seer.
An Ithzir seer's movements no longer appear to be influenced by a divine power as the spiritual force fades from around her arms.
The guiding force leaves an Ithzir seer.
An Ithzir seer recovers from being rebuked, regaining her composure.
As you strike the seer, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at a war griffin!
AS: +637 vs DS: +318 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +39 = +389
... and hit for 122 points of damage!
Vicious strike punctures intestines!

** Necrotic energy from your mithril morning star overflows into you! **

You feel energized!

** Your mithril morning star is suddenly set ablaze with jade green flames that swirl in a violent vortex around it! **

... 10 points of damage!
Slight leg hold.
As you strike the griffin, droplets of blood are sucked from it to your mithril morning star, running up the shaft to be absorbed by the vines wrapped around your wrist.
Vines of vicious briars whip out from your mithril morning star, raking the griffin with its thorns. The griffin looks slightly ill as the glistening emerald coating from each briar works itself under its skin.
... 25 points of damage!
Loose arm hold.
You swing a polyhedral mithril morning star at an Ithzir champion!
By amazing chance, the Ithzir champion evades the attack!
Roundtime: 3 sec.


Smite

Calling upon Ivas to lend you power, you watch as green tentacles encircle your star. Raising it high over your head, you slash at an Ithzir adept, releasing the writhing power of Ivas upon her.
[SMR result: 180 (Open d100: 60, Bonus: 18)]
An Ithzir adept is struck by the influx of divine energy, causing 123 damage!
An explosive burst engulfs her!
... 55 points of damage!
Head and most of upper body turned into a smoking pile of gore!
The Ithzir adept falls to the ground in a crumpled heap.
The Ithzir adept no longer bristles with energy.
The glowing specks of energy surrounding an Ithzir adept suddenly shoot off in all directions, then quickly fade away.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves an Ithzir adept.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around an Ithzir adept.
An Ithzir adept becomes solid again.
The shimmering multicolored sphere fades from around an Ithzir adept.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>


Smite

>incarn smite
Calling upon Ivas to lend you power, you watch as green tentacles encircle your star. Raising it high over your head, you slash at an Ithzir adept, releasing the writhing power of Ivas upon him.
[SMR result: 196 (Open d100: 56, Bonus: 50)]
An Ithzir adept is struck by the influx of divine energy, causing 121 damage!
An explosive burst engulfs him!
... 60 points of damage!
Muscle and bone blasted to pieces by powerful bolt of energy!
The adept's crystal-tipped staff falls to the ground.
The Ithzir adept vainly struggles to rise, then goes still.
The Ithzir adept no longer bristles with energy.
The glowing specks of energy surrounding an Ithzir adept suddenly shoot off in all directions, then quickly fade away.
The tingling sensation and sense of security leaves an Ithzir adept.
The brilliant luminescence fades from around an Ithzir adept.
An Ithzir adept becomes solid again.
The bright luminescence fades from around an Ithzir adept.
The shimmering multicolored sphere fades from around an Ithzir adept.
Roundtime: 3 sec.


Smite

R>incarn smite
Calling upon Ivas to lend you power, you watch as green tentacles encircle your star. Raising it high over your head, you slash at an Ithzir seer, releasing the writhing power of Ivas upon her.
[SMR result: 174 (Open d100: 49, Bonus: 20)]
An Ithzir seer is struck by the influx of divine energy, causing 121 damage!
An explosive burst engulfs her!
... 55 points of damage!
Muscle and bone blasted to pieces by searing wave of energy!
An Ithzir seer falls to the ground grasping her mangled right leg!
The Ithzir seer vainly struggles to rise, then goes still.
The opalescent aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
The deep blue glow leaves an Ithzir seer.
The Ithzir seer no longer bristles with energy.
The dim aura fades from around an Ithzir seer.
The powerful look leaves an Ithzir seer.
An Ithzir seer seems to lose an aura of confidence.
Roundtime: 3 sec.

[Jason13828]

Thanks so much for posting these. I think I read that smite's effectiveness is based on # of paladin spells known. Are you a heavily spelled paladin with more than 50 ranks in the Paladin circle? Also are the Ithzir's like level to you?

Also I'm curious when do you decide that the time is right to use smite vs your normal method of attack? Are you 1x HP and do you find yourself having an over abundance of mana to burn?

[time4fun]

Thanks so much for posting these. I think I read that smite's effectiveness is based on # of paladin spells known. Are you a heavily spelled paladin with more than 50 ranks in the Paladin circle? Also are the Ithzir's like level to you?

Also I'm curious when do you decide that the time is right to use smite vs your normal method of attack? Are you 1x HP and do you find yourself having an over abundance of mana to burn?

Vishra has 75 Paladin spell ranks and is fully 1x in spiritual mana control (which I highly recommend getting to at some point- having 50 energy for the spell makes it very useful)

As far as when I use Smite- honestly, I don't that often. Part of that is because Vish only has about 28 ranks of Religion lore- so I rarely get the double smite effect (though I've seen it, and it's amazing). Part of that is that the creatures I'm most concerned about- Seers and Champions- don't stun. When I use it, it's mostly just something I'm using to use. Though I will occasionally use it when I don't feel like going through the disarm/feint/amb routine for a Seer.

If Smite put targets in RT, I would use it a LOT more often as, at cap, RT is your best bet to prevent a dispel or a focused implosion. (I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that already)

But I would feel greedy making that request as smite is extremely powerful. Nine times out of ten, if it hits the head, neck, or eyes it's an instant crit. Though if it hits legs or torso, you still run the risk of getting dispelled/FI'd right back.

[Jason13828]

Oh man. 1x in SMC? Was that something you maintained while going to cap? or a post-cap goal? Do you have just a crazy abundance of mana around for your hunts or are you needing to manage it tightly to work in 1650?

[time4fun]

Oh man. 1x in SMC? Was that something you maintained while going to cap? or a post-cap goal? Do you have just a crazy abundance of mana around for your hunts or are you needing to manage it tightly to work in 1650?

I picked it up specifically for 1650. Though honestly I'm finding it really useful. The 4 Mana spellups a day really help when dealing with dispel in OTF. And I don't run out of Mana very often these days- despite heavy spell casting