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[Slider]

ok, I am trying to decide if I should change my Warriors training plan. Right now he has 61% redux (give or take) is level 56 and wearing MBP/greaves.

Jyax (at level 56), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 226 126
Shield Use.........................| 212 114
Combat Maneuvers...................| 212 114
Edged Weapons......................| 212 114
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 212 114
Brawling...........................| 212 114
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 140 40
Physical Fitness...................| 212 114
Dodging............................| 156 57
Magic Item Use.....................| 90 20
Survival...........................| 140 40
Perception.........................| 155 55
Climbing...........................| 90 20
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 140 40

Way I have him know, I can use OHE/Shield if i need the DS, and go with a Two-hander for really smacking stuff around good. Plus He's mastered in Voln, so i have Fu as well. Any ideas?

[Drew]

Why not drop edged since you can use a brawling weapon and shield in a pinch and the DFs aren't horribly off of a falchion/handaxe? Seems like it's a bit redundant for the cost.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Drew
Why not drop edged since you can use a brawling weapon and shield in a pinch and the DFs aren't horribly off of a falchion/handaxe? Seems like it's a bit redundant for the cost.

Because brawling weapons suck and hit like wet noodles and high end brawling weapons are hard to come by and they are expensive?

[StrayRogue]

Put yourself in full plate. MBP and greaves is worse.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Put yourself in full plate. MBP and greaves is worse.

It's not really worse. All you really lose is, at the most, 3 points of CvA. MBP + greaves gives you less hinderance with CMANs and guild skills.

Edited: He's also not even trained for fullplate anyway.

[Edited on 2-8-2005 by Jonty]

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Jonty

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Put yourself in full plate. MBP and greaves is worse.

It's not really worse. All you really lose is, at the most, 3 points of CvA. MBP + greaves gives you less hinderance with CMANs and guild skills.

Edited: He's also not even trained for fullplate anyway.

[Edited on 2-8-2005 by Jonty]

You're forgetting the partial armor bug.

[Jonty]

Explain the bug.

[StrayRogue]

Lemme see if I can pull the post... Or you could ask Turinrond. He's the one always whining about it...

[Jonty]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Lemme see if I can pull the post... Or you could ask Turinrond. He's the one always whining about it...

You can't explain it in your own words? If you can't, I don't see how you can use it as an argument for the reason why MBP + greaves is worse than fullplate.

I haven't encountered any bugs, and I use an augmented breastplate + helm and greaves. I get fullplate coverage with augmented breastplate CvA, AvD, and CMAN/Guild skill hinderance. The bad part about this armor combo is I effectively get -12 to my DS compared to fullplate because of the AvD difference. BUT, that difference is lowered because fullplate hinders my DS by 9 points. So, I actually effectively only lose 3 DS. I also effectively lose 2 TD compared to fullplate, but that's no big deal either. What I gain from this combo is +12 to my CMAN/Guild skill bonus, which is good for both offense and defense.

The differences between fullplate and MBP + Greaves:

Fullplate -18 AvD compared to MBP
(Makes fullplate better, but again, fullplate lowers your dodge DS, so the difference is lower, I'd suggest getting augmented plate instead to gain +6 DS)

Fullplate -3 CvA compared to MBP
(Makes fullplate better, but 3 is a small number IMO)

MBP +12 CMAN bonus compared to fullplate
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Since you're only trained for halfplate, my advice is to stay with your current armor for now, or switch to augmented breastplate + leg greaves to gain +6 DS and +1 TD. I wouldn't go with halfplate since its CMAN penalty is the same as fullplate/

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Jonty


You can't explain it in your own words? If you can't, I don't see how you can use it as an argument for the reason why MBP + greaves is worse than fullplate.



Eh? So by that reasoning, not knowing the genetic details behind AIDs, I can't say to people, don't do drugs/have unprotected sex?

[Jonty]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Eh? So by that reasoning, not knowing the genetic details behind AIDs, I can't say to people, don't do drugs/have unprotected sex?

That's not what I mean.... You might not know the genetic details, but you know what it does or why it's bad, no?

I wasn't asking for an in depth detailed mechanical explaination.... Just a a simple one. Like say... "The bug lowers your DS, or DF, messes up CvA... etc" or whatever. Telling me I'm forgetting a bug, but not saying how it's bad doesn't help your argument.

Edited: I'm sorry if I came off as ungrateful... I was just confused as to why you wouldn't just say what the bug did.

[Edited on 2-8-2005 by Jonty]

[StrayRogue]

Oh yeah the bug:

Basically if you wear the ASGs that don't provide full coverage of the body if you are hit in the unprotected part a maneuver will consider it as if it was protected by Cloth instead of the armour type next down of the main armour.

This has had minimul GS4 research though.

[Edited on 8-2-05 by StrayRogue]

[Jonty]

Hmm, which manuevers attacks depend on DF vs armor type/crit divisor?

[Edited on 2-8-2005 by Jonty]

[StrayRogue]

From the officials:

"The particular PABs that I'm aware of are mostly concerned with the ranger circle. I believe getting torn to the ground by a ranger killer vine will for example be particularly horrible if it hits an unprotected area even if you're wearing chain or plate. Similar for spike thorn. There might (probably are) more. I do recall some GM or other confirmed the existence of the PAB and also stated that there's general agreement from the PTB that it should be fixed. However, so far as I know, it never made any particular fix list, so for all I know it's still around."

[Jonty]

Thanks, I've never noticed it. The only thing that ever casted those things at me were vot'tazs.

[AnticorRifling]

Along the same vein as this thread. Was wondering if my training for my warrior is alright? 54 dwarf warrior, voln master:

(at level 54), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 240 140
Shield Use.........................| 158 58
Combat Maneuvers...................| 212 112
Polearm Weapons....................| 212 112
Brawling...........................| 212 112
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 25 5
Physical Fitness...................| 212 112
Dodging............................| 212 112
Arcane Symbols.....................| 102 24
Magic Item Use.....................| 102 24
Harness Power......................| 25 5
Elemental Mana Control.............| 25 5
Perception.........................| 102 24
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

[Slider]

The reason I am want to keep the OHE training is pretty much what Park said, if you can find a brawling weapon that hits as hard as a fell hafter...give it to me, ok?!?! Swap maybe?

And as far as th MBP goes, it's 7x enchanted, so I'm better off as far as DS goes than I would be in 4x full plate, and seeing as how I am not fully trained for plate yet, it would be stupid to gain hindrance, and lose DS to boot. And I wear both arm and leg greaves, so, from what I understand, I am protected as well as half plate (I think?). As I am, I have no hindrance for CM's that I can see, and the MBP does the job. At least for know that is.

[Jonty]

And I wear both arm and leg greaves, so, from what I understand, I am protected as well as half plate (I think?).

Correct.

[Warriorbird]

MBP's nice stuff. Not much hinderance. I always preferred getting kills in than worrying about maneuver defense. I hated one handers (unless using two of them and ambushing or something) since GS4 started.