"There is no Hell"

[Parkbandit]

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell

Isn't Hell one of the main pillars of Christianity? Like if you don't do what we say, your soul will rot in Hell?

[Vishnell]

The article later states that the interviewer took the statements out of context and/or misinterpreted them.

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[Archigeek]

I wouldn't exactly call it a pillar of Christianity. That term I'd reserve for faith, hope, and love. Or, love your neighbor. Jesus direct commands are almost entirely about being kind to one another.

PS: the term is used about 23 times in the New Testament, if you interpret liberally. About half as often as heaven.

[Parkbandit]

I wouldn't exactly call it a pillar of Christianity. That term I'd reserve for faith, hope, and love. Or, love your neighbor. Jesus direct commands are almost entirely about being kind to one another.

PS: the term is used about 23 times in the New Testament, if you interpret liberally. About half as often as heaven.

The existence of Hell isn't a pillar? It's basically what your punishment is if you don't follow the rules, no?

What did Jesus "save" us from, if there is no damnation?

[Latrinsorm]

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell

Isn't Hell one of the main pillars of Christianity? Like if you don't do what we say, your soul will rot in Hell?No. Many branches of Christianity even hold that a person can be predestined for either Heaven or Hell, that nothing they do in life will change their eternal fate. This as you may expect is extremely controversial. Roman Catholicism (the Pope's branch) specifically allows for people who aren't Christian at all to reach salvation, and the debate on predestination (and the related debate on faith vs. works) continues to this day.

[Parkbandit]

The article later states that the interviewer took the statements out of context and/or misinterpreted them.

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How do you take this quote out of context and say the Pope didn't say there is no Hell?

"There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."

[Taernath]

How do you take this quote out of context and say the Pope didn't say there is no Hell?

"There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."

Scalfari is supposedly known for fabricating stuff or taking things out of context. He doesn't record interviews at the very least, so nobody really knows if the Pope actually said it or not.

[Parkbandit]

Scalfari is supposedly known for fabricating stuff or taking things out of context. He doesn't record interviews at the very least, so nobody really knows if the Pope actually said it or not.

Ah, gotcha.

But stating that there is no Hell would be a gigantic thing in Catholicism, no?

[Gelston]

From the way I've always read it, Hell is simply existence outside God's light, not an actual place.

[Latrinsorm]

Ah, gotcha.

But stating that there is no Hell would be a gigantic thing in Catholicism, no?Not really, no. I would put it on the level as the recent debates over whether the Constitution includes a right to privacy - the banner headlines make it sound like a lot, but it's really just hyperfine parsings of the original text, and no matter which side you come down on it doesn't change anything fundamental. If the Pope had said there is no Jesus or something, that would be gigantic.

[subzero]

Does any religion not have some version of Hell/the Underworld? I'd say it's pretty intricately intertwined with many (all?) of them. It's essentially the tool they use to guide people into the 'light' and doing the 'right' things. Do X, Y, and Z or enjoy your afterlife in eternal damnation. And Hellfire! Don't forget the Hellfire. No Heaven for you, heathen!



PS: the term is used about 23 times in the New Testament, if you interpret liberally. About half as often as heaven.

To hell with that falsified new shit! How often is it mentioned in the first iteration? You know... the real one.

[Latrinsorm]

Does any religion not have some version of Hell/the Underworld? I'd say it's pretty intricately intertwined with many (all?) of them. It's essentially the tool they use to guide people into the 'light' and doing the 'right' things. Do X, Y, and Z or enjoy your afterlife in eternal damnation. And Hellfire! Don't forget the Hellfire. No Heaven for you, heathen!Again, multiple branches of Christianity teach that it is literally impossible to change whether you personally are going to Heaven or to Hell, and they're not some obscure fringe ones. There are many reasons to speak ill of organized religion, to speak with ignorance only makes you look bad.
To hell with that falsified new shit! How often is it mentioned in the first iteration? You know... the real one.Zero.

[subzero]

Again, multiple branches of Christianity teach that it is literally impossible to change whether you personally are going to Heaven or to Hell, and they're not some obscure fringe ones.

The question asked was in regard to whether Hell was a core aspect to Christianity or not. Hell or its equivalent is a recurring theme among religions in general with the end goal of trying to get people to do the 'right' things according to their religion. To claim it is not a core component of a religion is ridiculous. If it were not, why is it so interwoven among them?

This whole tangent you're on about regarding predestined fate changes nothing. Hell is still there for those who are destined for it, is it not? Are the people of these particular religions somehow born knowing their fate? No, they aren't. So, destined to burn or not, which no one living knows the truth of, are they not taught to live 'proper' lives in the hope that they're on the path to Heaven rather than Hell? It would be preposterous for people of these religions to live in sin and otherwise be complete fucking assholes just because they believe their destiny is set in stone.

The people destined for Heaven would be so because they've lived their lives according to whichever parameters have been set for them to get to there. They would not expect to be able to live in sin and ultimately wind up in Heaven. The tool is still in use among these religions you speak of.


There are many reasons to speak ill of organized religion, to speak with ignorance only makes you look bad.

Put down the crack pipe.

[JNewhall]

If anything it’s a brilliant move on the Pope’s part as something like a traditional idea of Hell, a burning wasteland of red skies and horned devils, is very unrelatable or even comical in a modern industrialized society. However, the feeling of being separated from someone you care about evokes an actual emotion that has been felt before and is very relatable , thus more frightening.

I don’t disagree that it is more relatable, but to be clear, the idea of Hell being separation from God is not new to Catholicism. The new idea here would’ve been that there is no Hell, not even as separation from God, but the Vatican has made pretty clear that the article was completely wrong and the Pope never said it.

[MotleyCrew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRysrnWZ1SI

[Latrinsorm]

The question asked was in regard to whether Hell was a core aspect to Christianity or not. Hell or its equivalent is a recurring theme among religions in general with the end goal of trying to get people to do the 'right' things according to their religion. To claim it is not a core component of a religion is ridiculous. If it were not, why is it so interwoven among them?

This whole tangent you're on about regarding predestined fate changes nothing. Hell is still there for those who are destined for it, is it not? Are the people of these particular religions somehow born knowing their fate? No, they aren't. So, destined to burn or not, which no one living knows the truth of, are they not taught to live 'proper' lives in the hope that they're on the path to Heaven rather than Hell? It would be preposterous for people of these religions to live in sin and otherwise be complete fucking assholes just because they believe their destiny is set in stone.

The people destined for Heaven would be so because they've lived their lives according to whichever parameters have been set for them to get to there. They would not expect to be able to live in sin and ultimately wind up in Heaven. The tool is still in use among these religions you speak of.The irony here is that you're so wedded to your dogma that you can't see the truth, which is a behavior you can very easily see in organized religion people but not when it's you doing it. If you want to keep making a fool of yourself, that's your prerogative. For anyone else curious, I will (further) elaborate the facts.

Many Christianities hold that a person's eternal fate is predestined, immutable, unchangeable.
It is therefore impossible for them to use the threat of that fate to try to get people to do the right thing.
Because doing so would necessarily have no impact either way (see point one).
This holds regardless of whether they know their eternal fate, or whether you know their eternal fate, or what they can reasonably expect, or literally any other thing real or imagined.
That's what predestined means.
Nothing changes it.
Nothing can possible change it.
Period.

[Fallen]

If anything it’s a brilliant move on the Pope’s part as something like a traditional idea of Hell, a burning wasteland of red skies and horned devils, is very unrelatable or even comical in a modern industrialized society. However, the feeling of being separated from someone you care about evokes an actual emotion that has been felt before and is very relatable , thus more frightening.
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