Rogue near 20, need help deciding weapon type to use moving forward.

[fireorlime]

My rogue is almost 20, and I need to make a choice about a training path moving forward. I had been planning on archery, but it looks like there are a ton of viable training paths for rogues. I'd been playing around with UAC on my monk, and it's been really fun so far as well.

Anybody who has experience with both care to weigh in on archery vs. UAC moving forward? Or is there another build you'd recommend? I'm looking for something different from the traditional sword-and-board ambushing approach.

[Taernath]

UAC and ranged are extremely viable for rogues, only slight mark against them is that they can be annoying without scripts or macros. Ranged also has ammo management, and aiming reliability issues until about 25-30.

My rogue is TWC but mostly for arpee.

[lexbubba]

My UAC ambushing rogue is 30 and kicks major tail. Highly recommend.

[fireorlime]

My UAC ambushing rogue is 30 and kicks major tail. Highly recommend.

What’s your training look like?

[Nordred]

I would say you could never go wrong with TWC, but to really enjoy that you need the training for dervish stance and sadly you probably couldn't do that yet.

[lexbubba]

Here is my training at level 30

Two Weapon Combat..................| 1
Armor Use..........................| 30
Combat Maneuvers...................| 51
Brawling...........................| 64
Ambush.............................| 64
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 15
Physical Fitness...................| 32
Dodging............................| 86
Harness Power......................| 15
Stalking and Hiding................| 80
Perception.........................| 64
Climbing...........................| 15
Swimming...........................| 10

[fireorlime]

Here is my training at level 30

Two Weapon Combat..................| 1
Armor Use..........................| 30
Combat Maneuvers...................| 51
Brawling...........................| 64
Ambush.............................| 64
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 15
Physical Fitness...................| 32
Dodging............................| 86
Harness Power......................| 15
Stalking and Hiding................| 80
Perception.........................| 64
Climbing...........................| 15
Swimming...........................| 10
I’ve thought about just wearing robes for the extra TP, the bonus to emastery, and the bonus to MM. Is that crazy?

[Zarston]

It's not crazy. My UAC rogue did it for a long time before he switched to brig, and that was only later on when I made him a locksmith and had to switch to ranged combat to save on TPs. You're just playing the edge towards more offensive rather than defensive, and need to make sure that you're not hunting in an area where you'll get swarmed with enemies. As long as you can keep it at a one-on-one fight (with the occasional two-on-one), there should be no reason you don't come out on top.

[fireorlime]

It's not crazy. My UAC rogue did it for a long time before he switched to brig, and that was only later on when I made him a locksmith and had to switch to ranged combat to save on TPs. You're just playing the edge towards more offensive rather than defensive, and need to make sure that you're not hunting in an area where you'll get swarmed with enemies. As long as you can keep it at a one-on-one fight (with the occasional two-on-one), there should be no reason you don't come out on top.

Thanks for the tip! Going to try it out now.

[Lord Orbstar]

TWC is fun. Ranged is most efficient, but I just don't like it. I recommend TWC with blunts. Ambush head. Crush. it is TP whore though

[Tisket]

I'm going to piggyback this thread...I've never had a UAC character and I just want to clarify because ignorance, but: unarmed combatants train in brawling? Do they need to train in anything else to use brawling-type weapons like a tiger-claw? And where are brawling weapons sold? I assume two brawling type weapons are viable with TWC training? I've got a baby rogue that I'm thinking would be fun to train this way but I know nothing about it.

[Taernath]

Most brawling weapons only need brawling training to use, I think the katar is the only one that needs brawling and edged. The ones used in conjunction with UAC attacks (jab, etc.) are mostly just there to act as platforms for enchants.

https://gswiki.play.net/Brawling_weapons

[Tisket]

Most brawling weapons only need brawling training to use, I think the katar is the only one that needs brawling and edged. The ones used in conjunction with UAC attacks (jab, etc.) are mostly just there to act as platforms for enchants.

https://gswiki.play.net/Brawling_weapons

Thanks, man. If I wanted to try them out, is there an NPC shop that sells them?

[Taernath]

Thanks, man. If I wanted to try them out, is there an NPC shop that sells them?

Solhaven has a bunch. Cheap enchanted ones are extremely common in the treasure system, and are dirt cheap in player shops.

[Gelston]

RR also has 2x and 3x gloves and boots.

[fireorlime]

Icemule has a cart with 4x gear on it.

[Tisket]

Icemule has a cart with 4x gear on it.

Do you recall what room that is in?

[Taernath]

Do you recall what room that is in?

They wander around Dwarven Circle and Commerce Burrow.

https://gswiki.play.net/Wide_mithril-banded_cart

^ that's the one with the tiger claws and other weapons, the hoarbeam one has UAC handwraps and boots.