sheath making question

[LizardClan1]

Hi! Is it possible to make the following sheath? I wish the available documentation was better, or that I had more experience:


a silver bound leather weapon harness inlaid with diamonds and emeralds

It can store a medium amount with enough space for several items.
You could wear the harness, slinging it across your shoulders and back.

You see a silver bound leather weapon harness inlaid with diamonds and emeralds, which was made with the utmost skill and care. It has three dragon's-tear diamonds and three dragon's-tear emeralds fixed upon it. The seams of the sling are bound with silver.

Thanks!
-LizardClan1

[Ososis]

You need 6 gems for it to be visible. While you can mix gems, I think the only result is losing the first descriptor. So you could do 6 blue sapphires and see blue sapphires, or you could do 3 blue and 3 green and see "inlaid with sapphires". I think you can do everything easy enough except the double inlay.

[LizardClan1]

Hi! I knew about mixing different colors of the same gem, like blue sapphires and green sapphires, resulting in just (in this case) sapphires.

But I wanted to know about mixing gems (not just colors). In my example, I mix diamonds and emeralds.

Thanks for any help!
-LizardClan1

[Ososis]

Sorry, I was trying to explain it.

Answer: No. I have tried mixing multiple gems and have had no luck.

[LizardClan1]

Thanks for saving me time and silvers, Ososis!

And that's a bummer, too! I know you can bind/trim with two metals. ::Shrug::

[Ososis]

Sure thing! Often I will go kill 4 gnomes and make a test sheath before I put too much effort in.

[Archigeek]

Fyi: you also can't do much at all in terms of altering a warrior sheath after it's made either, at least not without losing it's ability to reduce weight. In case that was your next idea...

[Ltlprprincess]

Thanks for saving me time and silvers, Ososis!

And that's a bummer, too! I know you can bind/trim with two metals. ::Shrug::

That's because bind and trim take up different slots, not the same one.


Fyi: you also can't do much at all in terms of altering a warrior sheath after it's made either, at least not without losing it's ability to reduce weight. In case that was your next idea...

When i asked the GMs, they said alter had no bearing on the weight reduction.

[Ososis]

That's because bind and trim take up different slots, not the same one.


You can bind or trim in either the front or back spot, though I am not familiar with two metals being used in the same spot.

[Ltlprprincess]

You can bind or trim in either the front or back spot, though I am not familiar with two metals being used in the same spot.

That's what i mean. You can't have something bound and trimmed in the same spot. They have to be separated by the noun.

[Archigeek]

That's because bind and trim take up different slots, not the same one.



When i asked the GMs, they said alter had no bearing on the weight reduction.

Yeah but, did they actually try to alter it? I've attempted to and they couldn't make it work.

[Ltlprprincess]

Yeah but, did they actually try to alter it? I've attempted to and they couldn't make it work.

I've altered them before.

[Ososis]

Perhaps the merchant was looking for weight reduction when it is in fact encumbrance reduction?

[Archigeek]

Perhaps the merchant was looking for weight reduction when it is in fact encumbrance reduction?

I don't think we dwelled on semantics. What he told me was that he could alter it, but if he did, it wouldn't function properly anymore. It's possible be didn't know bow to do something, but it's also possible that you could also alter one and lose its exuberance reducing capacity and not know it. I'd love it if he just didn't have the knowledge at hand, and I could alter one and still have it fully function.

As another warrior's guild bit of trivia, you can't alter one of the found objects you can bash with into something else (like a table leg into a stick) and still be able to bash with it.

[Ososis]

I don't think we dwelled on semantics. .

Well, considering an item can EITHER reduce weight OR reduce encumbrance and the issue is if the traits will carry over, I don't consider it semantics.

[Ltlprprincess]

Discussing in discord. The issue, we think, stems from attempting to alter the show. Pretty sure long alters are fine.

[Jeril]

I've done a lot of sheath making and the sheath posed by the OP should be doable. There are some odd character limits at work so you may have to do either the silver first or the gems first but that is the only thing that would stop it from working right the first time.

[Ososis]

inlaid with diamonds and emeralds

This is possible? I have tried doing different gems and it did not allow it.

[Roblar]

Pretty sure, that part is not unless a GM alters it to add the second gem description

[Ltlprprincess]

Pretty sure, that part is not unless a GM alters it to add the second gem description

I'm going to agree with this.

[Jeril]

a copper trimmed leather sheath bound in brass and bronze
a mane fringed leather arm sheath bound in imflass and rhimar
a gold bound kobold skin sheath inlaid with jade and rhodochrosite
a blood red giant skin sheath bound in bronze
a gem inlaid lacquered wrist sheath fringed with manes and incisors

Those are sheaths I made to test some of what can be done that I keep in a locker, never mind the who knows how many sheaths I've made for people.

[Ososis]

a copper trimmed leather sheath bound in brass and bronze
a mane fringed leather arm sheath bound in imflass and rhimar
a gold bound kobold skin sheath inlaid with jade and rhodochrosite
a blood red giant skin sheath bound in bronze
a gem inlaid lacquered wrist sheath fringed with manes and incisors

Those are sheaths I made to test some of what can be done that I keep in a locker, never mind the who knows how many sheaths I've made for people.

Very interesting indeed. I guess my character count was the issue. I will have to do much more research, thank you for this.

[Archigeek]

Perhaps the merchant was looking for weight reduction when it is in fact encumbrance reduction?

It's actually effective weight reduction, by 2 pounds, down to a minimum of 1/2 pound for each weapon in a sheath, not encumberance reduction.

[Archigeek]

Discussing in discord. The issue, we think, stems from attempting to alter the show. Pretty sure long alters are fine.

I believe you're correct. I was bummed, as I was trying to match the look of a sheath I already had.

[Ososis]

It's actually effective weight reduction, by 2 pounds, down to a minimum of 1/2 pound for each weapon in a sheath, not encumberance reduction.

except the weight doesn't change.

[Archigeek]

except the weight doesn't change.

I'm not sure what sort of a point you're trying to make here. No one is debating with you about what warrior sheath do in terms of mechanics, because that was all made fairly clear when it was rolled out: the effective weight of the item is lowered while in the sheath.

[LizardClan1]

I've done a lot of sheath making and the sheath posed by the OP should be doable. There are some odd character limits at work so you may have to do either the silver first or the gems first but that is the only thing that would stop it from working right the first time.

Are you recommending that I WTRICK SHEATHM HOLD, and do the inlay of dragon's-tear diamonds and dragon's-tear emeralds first, then go back and do the silver binding/trimming?

Just so you don't have to go back to my original post, I want the long description be to: "a silver bound/trimmed leather/lacquered [whatever] inlaid with diamonds and emeralds". The show would show the dragon's-tear diamonds and emeralds.

Thanks!
-LizardClan1

[Ososis]

Are you recommending that I WTRICK SHEATHM HOLD, and do the inlay of dragon's-tear diamonds and dragon's-tear emeralds first, then go back and do the silver binding/trimming?

Just so you don't have to go back to my original post, I want the long description be to: "a silver bound/trimmed leather/lacquered [whatever] inlaid with diamonds and emeralds". The show would show the dragon's-tear diamonds and emeralds.

Thanks!
-LizardClan1

Cured the patterns last night. I will have an exact answer for you soon. I feel like I dropped the ball here

[Ososis]

You tap a silver bound leather weapon harness inlaid with emeralds and diamonds, which is in your right hand.


Bound it in silver, inlayed emeralds, inlayed diamonds. Probably could change the gem order to swap them in the description.


Edit:
To be clear, this is a test sheath made with junk, it has no actual use.

[LizardClan1]

You tap a silver bound leather weapon harness inlaid with emeralds and diamonds, which is in your right hand.


Bound it in silver, inlayed emeralds, inlayed diamonds. Probably could change the gem order to swap them in the description.


Edit:
To be clear, this is a test sheath made with junk, it has no actual use.

You didn't drop the ball, and thanks for doing the test harness! We're all learning together it would seem (the documentation is wanting). One question: what's the show of the test harness? Does it show 3 "uncut emeralds" and 3 "uncut diamonds" (if that's what you used)?

Thanks!
-LizardClan1

[Ososis]

Need 6 of each to show

[LizardClan1]

Need 6 of each to show

Oh! That's good to know! When you look at the test harness, does it show 6 uncut emeralds and 6 uncut diamonds?

Thanks!
-LizardClan1

[Ososis]

You see a silver bound leather weapon harness inlaid with emeralds and diamonds, which was made with the utmost skill and care. It has six emeralds and six diamonds fixed upon it. The seams of the harness are bound with silver.

[LizardClan1]

Hi! Is it possible to make the following sheath? I wish the available documentation was better, or that I had more experience:


a silver bound leather weapon harness inlaid with diamonds and emeralds

It can store a medium amount with enough space for several items.
You could wear the harness, slinging it across your shoulders and back.

You see a silver bound leather weapon harness inlaid with diamonds and emeralds, which was made with the utmost skill and care. It has three dragon's-tear diamonds and three dragon's-tear emeralds fixed upon it. The seams of the sling are bound with silver.

Thanks!
-LizardClan1

Just to confirm what Ososis says (above), I inlaid 6 uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds and 6 deep blue mermaid's-tear sapphires, and got the following result:


>glance
You glance down to see a silver bound leather sheath inlaid with diamonds and sapphires in your right hand and nothing in your left hand.
>l at my sheath
You see a silver bound leather sheath inlaid with diamonds and sapphires, which was made with the utmost skill and care. It has six diamonds and six sapphires fixed upon it. The seams of the sheath are bound with silver.

But I discovered something new! If you use less that 6 gems for the second inlay, you get something like the following:


>glance
You glance down to see a silver bound leather sheath inlaid with uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds in your right hand and nothing in your left hand.
>l my sheath
You see a silver bound leather sheath inlaid with uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds, which was made with the utmost skill and care. It has six uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds and [number less than 6] deep blue mermaid's-tear sapphires fixed upon it. The seams of the sheath are bound with silver.


So, it makes sense to do 6 inlays of your primary gem, and 1 or more (but less than 6) of your second gem. Let's call this "6 and 1," or 6/1.

For example, 6 uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds, and 1 deep blue mermaid's-tear sapphires would result in:


>glance
You glance down to see a silver bound leather sheath inlaid with uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds in your right hand and nothing in your left hand.
>l my sheath
You see a silver bound leather sheath inlaid with uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds, which was made with the utmost skill and care. It has six uncut star-of-Tamzyrr diamonds and one deep blue mermaid's-tear sapphire fixed upon it. The seams of the sheath are bound with silver.


Cheers!
-LizardClan1

[Ltlprprincess]

Good to know. I'll have to update my information. Thank you.

[Ososis]

It's worth mentioning that my attempts to use a colored animal hide to get extra details failed. "Black boar hide" for example is considered to have it's first decorative slot already filled.

[Ltlprprincess]

There are only 2 decoration slots. Pre and post noun. If you use dye in the first slot, you can only do one more decoration for a total of two. If you bind in the first and trim in the second you can not dye it.

It's also worth mentioning that my attempts to use a colored animal hide to get extra details failed. "Black boar hide" for example is considered to have it's first decorative slot already filled.

So, i realized what i did and apparently just before you saw it and tried to delete it but you caught it already. This is where i admit i read what Jeril posted wrong. My mind read bound and trimmed with (metal), what it actually read was bound in (metal) and (metal).

[Ososis]

Ahh, I see. well, no worries. We all are on the hunt fer learning!

[LizardClan1]

I've been doing some tests, and discovered one more thing about gem inlays:

* If you use 6 fancy gems in the first slot (I used 6 "dragonfire emeralds"), I already knew that "dragonfire" is lost in the long description of the sheath, but it is also lost in the "show" when you look at the sheath.

-LizardClan1