Racist Hot 97

[Carny]

This. (http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/000759.html)


Disgusting, discuss.

105.1 is better.

Hot 97 only plays pop "hip-hop" and ... ::gag:: ... R&B.

[Bobmuhthol]

Freedom of speech alert.

And whoever wrote that is a major douche bag. Learn to write a serious article, please.

[DeV]

I agree with Jin... there are lines that shoud NOT be crossed.
She should be fired.

[Carny]

Sorry, I didn't realize that that website took down the audio.

Here it is (http://www.asianmediawatch.net/missjones/ )

[Snapp]

That's really sick. I can't believe they think it's okay to joke like that on the air.

[Artha]

It's not even a good parody.

[Warriorbird]

The entire staff of the show got fired. Seems as though public outcry, the petition, and maybe Jin's song worked.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's good they got fired, they should be.

Too bad they got fired. Many of times songs make fun of white people and there is no outcry. B-o-o H-o-o

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Us poor white people. So deeply oppressed. We should whine about it because we can't grasp that sometimes we've treated others badly. Boo hoo.

So it's okay to make fun of whites, but no other groups of people? HOLY DOUBLE STANDARD!

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Sure. You'd like it a lot if people made fun of September 11th. Holy gosh gee, double standard. You like it when people call you a Nazi. Holy gosh gee, double standard.

Open your eyes.

Why would I like it if someone made fun of 911? As for bieng called a Nazi, that isn't making fun of my race, so that has no bearing on this. So uhhh... Why's it okay to make fun of whites, but not minorities again? They special or something?

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Whoo hoo! I love it when you're purpousely obtuse. I'm saying you'd whine if your culture/race or views got made fun of, but think it's all right when others cultures, race, or views get made fun of.

I've seen you do it several times.

I think there's standards of good taste.

The reason? Because I don't feel there should be an outcry for ripping into minorities, because it is A-OKAY to make fun of whites. When both become unacceptable, fine. Until then, it's open season!!

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

So, because us white folks are deeply oppressed, nobody else has to display any standards, you included. This will somehow stop people from making fun of white people.I'm so very impressed.

[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Warriorbird]

Since when are blacks oppressed or any minority group? Last I checked I couldn't find a good deal on a young black boy on Ebay that was excellent at scrubbing floors. Hrmmmmmm...

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

Of course, we should always forget the past. It has no bearing on the present. There's no racism these days either. I mean... we should forget things like the Holocaust and parade around how great it is to be white and how bad minorities are when we've lost family members in the Holocaust. Oh wait, you are.

[Darnell]

[i]So uhhh... Why's it okay to make fun of whites, but not minorities again? They special or something?

- Arkans

Go get 400+ years of opression and slavery in your back pocket and then come talk to me. Until that happens, screw you hippie

D
"People need to get over themselves"

You are all missing the point.
97.1 hasn't been good SINCE the days of slavery. You all should ignore it as is total washed-out has-been excuse for a radio station.
The only thing worse is possibly Z100.
I advise you to point your receptors in the direction of 105.1.

Woah, woah, who's talking about forgetting the past? Someone is reading too much into something or is just feeling guilty for being white or whatever it might be.

Hey, no one wants to forget anything, but people do need to lighten the fuck up. If they fail to do that, apply the same standards for everything.

Then again, no white person was ever oppressed ever right?

- Arkans

[Darnell]

Or everyone could do this.....go private some music online, burn it to a CD and don't worry about the crap that's on radio stations like me.

D

[Warriorbird]

Of course not. Then again, people reserve pretty much free reign to make fun of Communism.

ROFL

You're not comparing a economic system to race? Give me a break.

- Arkans

[Warriorbird]

As crappy as Hot 97 is, I know they're pretty influential to a lot of people. I download stuff and use www.launch.com and a free subscription to Sirirus Satellite, personally.

[Warriorbird]

Eh. Stalin killed a whole damn lot of people. By Communism I don't mean just the principles. I think white people oppressing white people counts, because honestly that's most of what "white oppression" has been.

[Darnell]

Originally posted by Arkans

Hey, no one wants to forget anything, but people do need to lighten the fuck up. If they fail to do that, apply the same standards for everything.

Then again, no white person was ever oppressed ever right?

- Arkans

If you honestly believe in a single standard for everyone, you've been either A. Hitting the glass pipe too hard B. Whiter then I could ever imagine C. Just dumb.

And to answer your question, yes a white person has been "opressed". Who hasn't been in some form, no matter how minimal. However, it's quite a different subject when it's a rather large group that's targetted and like anything, there are several different degrees

D

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Us poor white people. So deeply oppressed. We should whine about it because we can't grasp that sometimes we've treated others badly. Boo hoo.

:D That is so racist. I love the thought process, though!

1. A white person mistreated a chinese person.
2. You are a white person, THEREFORE
3. You are responsible.

I guess since I'm white, I should be held accountable for everything bad a white person has ever done.

I just missed a promotion, and a German guy got it. Shouldn't we still be punishing that bastard for Hitler!!?!

It's pretty silly to buy into that kind of thinking, but I guess it's the hip thing to do.

[Warriorbird]

Actually... this case was black people being tasteless towards much of Southeast Asia.

I merely advocate good taste.

By your definition, racism doesn't exist and history is meaningless. Everyone's on a level playing field. It's a pretty thought.

I mean, it's fine to call every black person you see the n word, using that justification. There's no bad connotations associated. History is meaningless. They'll know you're joking. You could tell Polish jokes to Arkans, too... or mock the Jews to Stanley... because you've just made such an eloquent and perfect defense of racism by accusing me of it.

I guess it's the hip thing to do. I mean... Bush won.

[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Warriorbird]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Actually... this case was black people being tasteless towards much of Southeast Asia.

I merely advocate good taste.

By your definition, racism doesn't exist and history is meaningless. Everyone's on a level playing field. It's a pretty thought.

I mean, it's fine to call every black person you see the n word, using that justification. There's no bad connotations associated. History is meaningless. They'll know you're joking. You could tell Polish jokes to Arkans, too... or mock the Jews to Stanley... because you've just made such an eloquent and perfect defense of racism by accusing me of it.

I guess it's the hip thing to do. I mean... Bush won.

[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Warriorbird]

You are racist. You think white people should be punished because they are white. My argument is that I haven't DONE ANYTHING.

I don't know how you managed to read my post, and then what you took from it, was that I thought it was okay to call black people niggers, etc.

And I never said racism didn't exist! Far from it, I said you were a racist! I never said that everyone was on a level playing field -- what I did say that it is not fair, right, or even logical to punish a white person because of the color of their skin.

Your viewpoint can be summed up as this -- Racism is wrong, unless you're dealing with those dirty honkeys.

[Makkah]

This whole argument would be interesting and cool if Jin was a good rapper.

[Warriorbird]

T+S: When did I ever say that? When did white people enter this situation? Have you ever even listened to Hot 97? Have you heard the song in question or read the text?

I advocate displaying good taste. I advocate acknowledging history. I'm not here saying that I think black folks need reparations for slavery. I sure couldn't afford it. I've seen photos of slaves my family kept. I guess that makes it a little bit more personal.

I protested when my college wanted to bring Louis Farrakhan to speak. The campus society of "Black Students Unite" called me a racist for reducing their damn funding on student council.

I don't feel particularly guilty about being a white person. I just think the whole "reverse racism" card is a copout tactic.

Basically, what you are doing and what Arkans was doing.

[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Warriorbird]

And yeah. Jin's a decent battle rapper but he can't write a single to save his career.

So it's okay to discriminate whites or is it impossible to discriminate them? Either way, this stinks of racism in general. White people can be and are discriminated against, sorry.

- Arkans

PS: BEST POLISH INVENTION: SCREEN DOOR ON A SUBMARINE

Oh BTW, rofl @ Miss Info attempting to pwn Miss Jones when she was in "Oh no you didn't" Mode. Still it was the thought that counts.

Not that I would know any of this since I don't listen to Hot 97.

[DeV]

Newsflash!!! This is not about white people. Those in question were fired and rightfully so. When you cater to a large populace of listeners you just don't cross certain lines that you think you may get away with just because you're of a minority race. It's an issue of lack of morals, lack of judgement, lack of sensitivity and plain old racism whether intentional or not.

Arkans your point would be better made if you didn't make jokes about every race including your own, satire or not, on an almost daily basis. What are you advocating... fair and equal racism in jokes for all colors?! This instance alone should show that the double standard does not always hold true.

[Tsa`ah]

Is it OK for a white man to crack on another white man because he's white? I don't see the problem.

It becomes a problem when one of one race cracks on another of differing race, especially in times of crisis.

That is the point you are missing.

So to answer your (Arkans) question, it's never OK no matter who is doing it.

I just feel like posting some random propaganda. :shrug:

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Originally posted by Warriorbird
T+S: When did I ever say that? When did white people enter this situation?

I don't feel particularly guilty about being a white person. I just think the whole "reverse racism" card is a copout tactic.

Basically, what you are doing and what Arkans was doing.

[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Warriorbird]

I didn't capture your full quote, just the parts I wanted to reply to.

I guess the impression I got from your first post, maybe wrongly, was that you felt that white people (in general) deserved what they got because of past wrongs that other white people have done.


Originally posted by Warriorbird
Us poor white people. So deeply oppressed. We should whine about it because we can't grasp that sometimes we've treated others badly. Boo hoo.

Maybe I just read it differently than you intended.

I didn't really say anything about reverse racism, although I'm sure not a proponent of it. I don't judge people based on the color of their skin, and I don't think it's out of line to expect the same courtesy from others.

Anyway, most of this is slightly off topic.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Arkans
Since when are blacks oppressed or any minority group? Last I checked I couldn't find a good deal on a young black boy on Ebay that was excellent at scrubbing floors. Hrmmmmmm...

- Arkans

You can't be serious

Example 1 (http://www.sptimes.com/News/111900/Business/Noose_harassment__a_g.shtml)

Example 2 (http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=753)

[Warriorbird]

As much as you get to me sometimes, that merits a PWNED.

[Makkah]

White people suck

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Of course, we should always forget the past.

Yes, we should.

Maybe when more people realize that their neighbors aren't slavetraders we'll find some cohesiveness.


There's no racism these days either.

You're condoning it, chief.

[Warriorbird]

Yes. Thinking that black folks shouldn't be outrageously insulting to Asians and that "reverse racism" is a copout is obviously deeply racist.

[Bobmuhthol]

I saw a black cop with a gun. I don't fear for my life. A black sees a piece of rope and it turns into a lawsuit. Way to go.

[Warriorbird]

Hmm. Wonder why. You gonna call Bob on that, Hulkein? I thought not.

[Edited on 1-27-2005 by Warriorbird]

[xtc]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
I saw a black cop with a gun. I don't fear for my life. A black sees a piece of rope and it turns into a lawsuit. Way to go.

Maybe if legions of black cops had shot innocent white people for decades, you may fear for your life when a black cop with a gun walked by.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
I saw a black cop with a gun. I don't fear for my life. A black sees a piece of rope and it turns into a lawsuit. Way to go. Way to go for people being dumbasses and not expecting retribution for their poorly executed attempt at racism. Perhaps they should try something a little more unique next time.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<their poorly executed attempt at racism.>>

Looking at the result, I'd say their attempt at racism was a smashing success.

[DeV]

Looking at the end result, it was a smashing failure.

I advocate people to stop playing the fucking race card every single chance they get. I did notice that people always get up in arms when I make fun of non-whites only. If I make fun of whites, it is business as usual.

I wouldn't call that opression in those examples, more like a band of rednecks, but that sort of thing works both ways, EXCEPT the fact that if a black guy kept calling a white guy a "cracka" or "Honky" no one would give a fuck.

- Arkans

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Arkans
I did notice that people always get up in arms when I make fun of non-whites only. If I make fun of whites, it is business as usual.

- Arkans

Your argument might hold water if we assumed that two historically and socioeconomically equal racial groups were being "made fun of". What you may fail to understand/recognize is that:

1. White people throughout history have visited tremendous suffering and blatant exploitation on every and any other racial group that they have ever encountered. Sure, Africans sold each other into slavery at times, and Asian tribes warred against each other, but the effects of these conflicts never approached the scale and ruthless efficiency that whites had/have employed. I can unequivocably state that every other racial group would be much better off had they never come into contact with the whites.

2. White people today still hold a massively disproportionate amount of wealth and political power. Discrimination still exists, although not as bad as it once was.

So what does this mean? A racist slur against minrities is another example of continuing white tyranny and propogation of an oppresive societal hierarchy that has plagued the world throughout history.

A racist slur against whites, however, is an exercise of civil protest against the ruling majority, a questioning of authority, and an expression of an individual's disenfranchisement from his racial identity as well as the rest of society.

The day you see people crying in outrage over a racist slur against whites will be the same day when the average black kid has the same opportunities throughout life as the average white kid. Till then, no one will really take your reverse racism argument seriously.

[Warriorbird]

I think there's a big difference between saying that black people being insulting to Asians, many whom may've lost family in the tsunami disaster is a bad thing and playing the "race card".

I don't exactly see very many examples of "racism against white people" around the PC either. If anything, most of the racism I see comes from either Bob attempting to offend/attempting to make a point, a bunch of people trying to advocate reverse racism, or Ben (and occassional cohorts) who is unabashedly racist. Least he's direct about it.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
I wouldn't call that opression in those examples, more like a band of rednecks, but that sort of thing works both ways, EXCEPT the fact that if a black guy kept calling a white guy a "cracka" or "Honky" no one would give a fuck.

- Arkans Says who? You wouldn't call it opression but lets not call it racism for a while and I'll let you determine exactly what those, in your words "band of rednecks" were trying to prove with the noose incident. Not only does a situation like that place the black guy in a hostile work environment, its clear he is not welcome or wanted for no reason other than the color of his skin. Call it what you want but don't say he is playing any race card because I'm sure he would be much better off without having to go to those lengths in the first place.

As for the other two slurs against white people... in the workplace it's definitely not acceptable and someone like me would give a fuck.

[Ben]

i hate blacks

Originally posted by Farquar

Your argument might hold water if we assumed that two historically and socioeconomically equal racial groups were being "made fun of". What you may fail to understand/recognize is that:

1. White people throughout history have visited tremendous suffering and blatant exploitation on every and any other racial group that they have ever encountered. Sure, Africans sold each other into slavery at times, and Asian tribes warred against each other, but the effects of these conflicts never approached the scale and ruthless efficiency that whites had/have employed. I can unequivocably state that every other racial group would be much better off had they never come into contact with the whites.

2. White people today still hold a massively disproportionate amount of wealth and political power. Discrimination still exists, although not as bad as it once was.

So what does this mean? A racist slur against minrities is another example of continuing white tyranny and propogation of an oppresive societal hierarchy that has plagued the world throughout history.

A racist slur against whites, however, is an exercise of civil protest against the ruling majority, a questioning of authority, and an expression of an individual's disenfranchisement from his racial identity as well as the rest of society.

The day you see people crying in outrage over a racist slur against whites will be the same day when the average black kid has the same opportunities throughout life as the average white kid. Till then, no one will really take your reverse racism argument seriously.

I can only laugh as I read these in depth posts that state how wrong and detrimental racism is, and then in the next breath advocate racism against Whitey.

It's so illogical that I don't know how you've managed to reconcile these 2 thoughts in your head, and then were able to convince yourself that it makes sense.

I mean, your last sentence sums thing up nicely. If I may paraphrase your words-- "I don't care if whites are discriminated against because they deserve it."

We have no idea that the noose incident is soley based on the color of skin. Unfortunately, we do not have that type of information. We can only make assumptions on the workers' motives. Until then, I'll agree that the noose was racially related, but the reason that it went up, I cannot say for certain. Who knows, maybe the black guy beat the shit out of one of the workers' daughters.

- Arkans

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
Until then, I'll agree that the noose was racially related, but the reason that it went up, I cannot say for certain. Who knows, maybe the black guy beat the shit out of one of the workers' daughters.
- Arkans I could see if this was on their own time... in a workplace, get real. That was dumb and nothing can justify it.

I agree, DEV, but we still do not know the motive behind it. Perhaps it wasn't 100% based on race. We won't know for certain.

- Arkans

[Landrion]

Originally posted by Farquar

Originally posted by Arkans
I did notice that people always get up in arms when I make fun of non-whites only. If I make fun of whites, it is business as usual.

- Arkans

Your argument might hold water if we assumed that two historically and socioeconomically equal racial groups were being "made fun of". What you may fail to understand/recognize is that:

1. White people throughout history have visited tremendous suffering and blatant exploitation on every and any other racial group that they have ever encountered. Sure, Africans sold each other into slavery at times, and Asian tribes warred against each other, but the effects of these conflicts never approached the scale and ruthless efficiency that whites had/have employed. I can unequivocably state that every other racial group would be much better off had they never come into contact with the whites.

2. White people today still hold a massively disproportionate amount of wealth and political power. Discrimination still exists, although not as bad as it once was.

So what does this mean? A racist slur against minrities is another example of continuing white tyranny and propogation of an oppresive societal hierarchy that has plagued the world throughout history.

A racist slur against whites, however, is an exercise of civil protest against the ruling majority, a questioning of authority, and an expression of an individual's disenfranchisement from his racial identity as well as the rest of society.

The day you see people crying in outrage over a racist slur against whites will be the same day when the average black kid has the same opportunities throughout life as the average white kid. Till then, no one will really take your reverse racism argument seriously.

I have to admit, as a white person I was finding myself offended at what you had to say. After all, isnt racism that someone is slurred or treated unfairly because of their ethnicity? White people of the past have done oppressive things and it justifies racism towards them today? Racism towards whites is justified because white people have better opportunities? You call that an excercise of civil protest? Wow. My position is this - it's racism no matter who you direct it at.

But on the other hand, youve reminded me about something I myself have said on many occassions. I dont care if someone tries to slur me. Im proud of my family and ethnicity. When you have pride in yourself and your people a slur is like calling a 6 foot tall man short. The tall guy isnt going to take you too seriously and neither would I.

Unfortunately saying that "you're proud to be white" automatically labels you a rascist. How pathetic is that?


- Arkans

PS: I am white and proud of it.

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Tea & Strumpets
I can only laugh as I read these in depth posts that state how wrong and detrimental racism is, and then in the next breath advocate racism against Whitey.

It's so illogical that I don't know how you've managed to reconcile these 2 thoughts in your head, and then were able to convince yourself that it makes sense.

I mean, your last sentence sums thing up nicely. If I may paraphrase your words-- "I don't care if whites are discriminated against because they deserve it."

I may have been a bit unclear about my point, I don't advocate racism against anyone. I merely offered a justification or perhaps, a rationalization, of why racism directed against one group may be tolerable, while another is not.

The truth of the matter is, racism against minorities has a greater potential for harm than racism against the ruling majority. Racist slurs against whites really don't cause too much practical harm, much like the bullied kid calling the bully an asshole behind his back. It's merely a meaningless, rebellious act, not a serious attempt at subversion.

Racism against minorities leads to ACTUAL discrimination, ACTUAL loss of opportunities for minorities, and, over time, a possible reversion to the pre-civil rights regimes.

Tell that to the white guy trying to get a job in a predominatly black neighborhood.

- Arkans

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
Unfortunately saying that "you're proud to be white" automatically labels you a rascist. How pathetic is that?


- Arkans

PS: I am white and proud of it. The ending of stereotypes begins within. I don't consider you racist by a longshot and it is OK to be proud of your race. Why wouldn't it be? Did someone tell you it wasn't?

P.S. I am black and proud. See how easy that is.

[HarmNone]

Heh. I'm white, as well, but I'm oblivious to it. I don't see that skin color means much of anything at all, unless you grant it the power to do so.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
Tell that to the white guy trying to get a job in a predominatly black neighborhood.

- Arkans It's rare if/when it happens. It's hard enough being black trying to get a job in a black neighborhood. Oddly enough, Asians and Arabs fill most of those positions.

Yes, I was called a rascist numerous times for saying I'm proud to be white. On the PC, on OOC Net, on the Official Forums, and even when I went to highschool. This is why racial issues, expecially when concerning whites is so important to me.

- Arkans

[xtc]

Originally posted by Arkans
We have no idea that the noose incident is soley based on the color of skin. Unfortunately, we do not have that type of information. We can only make assumptions on the workers' motives. Until then, I'll agree that the noose was racially related, but the reason that it went up, I cannot say for certain. Who knows, maybe the black guy beat the shit out of one of the workers' daughters.

- Arkans

I saw a show on the Pacific Union noose incident. The black employee had transferred to a new location, on his first day in the job a noose was waiting for him.

And lets say for sake of argument that the black guy did beat the crap of one of the white guy's daughters. If the white guy beats the crap out of the black guy then we can't say that it was racially motivated. However he used a noose, a symbol of the days when black men were strung up for being black. The white guy is obviously pissed at the black guy for beating his daughter however the white used a symbol of racial oppression to get even. So racism is a factor.

Which is odd. Race should have absolutely 0 bearing on jobs. Unfortunately, most of these jobs are Asian/Arab owned.

- Arkans

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Arkans
Tell that to the white guy trying to get a job in a predominatly black neighborhood.

- Arkans

Well, that situation is indeed unfortunate. But since blacks make up, what, 20-25% of the population, that white dude has the option of being treated equally in the other 80% of white neighborhoods, while a similarly situated black guy doesn't.

Woah, that's a pretty rascist statement. I hope your against blacks, asians and the other ethnicities staying out of white neighborhoods. I'd hate to see a double standard.

- Arkans

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Arkans
Woah, that's a pretty rascist statement. I hope your against blacks, asians and the other ethnicities staying out of white neighborhoods. I'd hate to see a double standard.

- Arkans

Way to take a statement to its logical extreme. It was simple math. One guy gets 75% treatment at 20% of the jobs, and 100% at the other 80%. The darker guy gets 100% treatment at 20% of the jobs and 75% at the other 80%. Who gets screwed the most? Who has more options? I primarily focus on aggregate harm and practical consequences...I can probably count on one hand how many white guys actively sought employment in a predominantly black area, while the number of blacks looking for work in predominantly white areas, is well, staggering.

And there's a reason asians are overrepresented at Ivy leagues, Cal-Berkeley, Stanford, etc. Look at the racial breakdown of any standardized test administered today.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Farquar
1. White people throughout history have visited tremendous suffering and blatant exploitation on every and any other racial group that they have ever encountered. Sure, Africans sold each other into slavery at times, and Asian tribes warred against each other, but the effects of these conflicts never approached the scale and ruthless efficiency that whites had/have employed. I can unequivocably state that every other racial group would be much better off had they never come into contact with the whites.

Last I checked, Portuguese does not equal white.

Approximately 5% of the slaves taken from Africa came to what is now the United States of America.

The majority of the other 95% were sent to Brazil where they were worked until their death and replaced with a new one like a used oil filter.

What happened in North America never approached the scale and ruthless efficiency that the Portuguese employed in Brazil.


[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Hulkein]

[DeV]

Actually, 4% were sent to America and 40% were sent to Brazil. At one point half the population of Brazil were slaves which shows the magnitute of their role.

Yet, it's the evil white Americans that are at fault for everything and deserve to be discriminated or it's just "Okay" to call them "crackas"

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Arkans
Yet, it's the evil white Americans that are at fault for everything and deserve to be discriminated or it's just "Okay" to call them "crackas"

- Arkans

Where, out of what's been discussed here, do you get that notion, Arkans? It's not been said. It's not even been intimated.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by Farquar
1. White people throughout history have visited tremendous suffering and blatant exploitation on every and any other racial group that they have ever encountered. Sure, Africans sold each other into slavery at times, and Asian tribes warred against each other, but the effects of these conflicts never approached the scale and ruthless efficiency that whites had/have employed. I can unequivocably state that every other racial group would be much better off had they never come into contact with the whites.

Last I checked, Portuguese does not equal white.

Approximately 5% of the slaves taken from Africa came to what is now the United States of America.

The majority of the other 95% were sent to Brazil where they were worked until their death and replaced with a new one like a used oil filter.

What happened in North America never approached the scale and ruthless efficiency that the Portuguese employed in Brazil.


[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Hulkein]

Portughese doesn't equal white? Portugal is in Europe, Portuguese are caucasians. I have always thought of Portuguese people as white.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<The majority of the other 95% were sent to Brazil>>

<<Actually, 4% were sent to America and 40% were sent to Brazil.>>

Unless 41% of the slaves were taken to a single location, I fail to see how Hulkein was wrong at all.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<The majority of the other 95% were sent to Brazil>>

<<Actually, 4% were sent to America and 40% were sent to Brazil.>>

Unless 41% of the slaves were taken to a single location, I fail to see how Hulkein was wrong at all. Who said Hulkein was wrong? I followed up with exact percentages on those two locations.

Read the posts on this forum on how people are saying "It's acceptable to call whites crackas because they were never oppressed."

- Arkans

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Who said Hulkein was wrong? I followed up with exact percentages on those two locations.>>

Preceding it with "Actually," made me think you were trying to correct him as opposed to clarify.

<<Read the posts on this forum on how people are saying "It's acceptable to call whites crackas because they were never oppressed.">>

Seriously.

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Last I checked, Portuguese does not equal white.
[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Hulkein]

When I say "white" I mean any angloid western-european imperialist race whose language originated from latin. This primarily includes the romance language countries: the French, Spaniards, Italians, as well as the English, Portugese, Germans, Swedes, and the Nordic races.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Who said Hulkein was wrong? I followed up with exact percentages on those two locations.>>

Preceding it with "Actually," made me think you were trying to correct him as opposed to clarify.
Take note that it is a clarification of exact percentages and not a correction.

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Arkans
Read the posts on this forum on how people are saying "It's acceptable to call whites crackas because they were never oppressed."

- Arkans

The issue is hardly simple, but since you like things simple and can seem to only understand things as such, let me modify your phrase:

"It's societally tolerable to call whites crackas because "crackas" connotes nothing about how blacks treated whites in the past, and because whites have ALWAYS been the opressors."

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It's societally tolerable to call whites crackas because "crackas" connotes nothing about how blacks treated whites in the past, and because whites have ALWAYS been the opressors.>>

But obviously if you call someone a ****** it goes back hundreds of years to the days of enslavement. Sorry, that's not how it works.

[Edited on 28-1-05 by Miss X]

Whites have always been the oppressors? I think it was Zaire that had the problem of blacks burning down white farms and then plunging the country into starvation. Always huh? Nah, those white farmers WANTED their farms burned down. So, before thinking somebody is "simple" on a certain topic, take a second to read something and learn about the world we live in.

- Arkans

Sorry, I was wrong, it was Zimbabwe. For sure it is only whites that ALWAYS oppress.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/africa/08/12/violence.zimbabwe/

- Arkans

[Bobmuhthol]

There are times when I pray that time will halt, go back 85 years to the start of the Nazi party, and then Hitler will be black. Then we'll see who's the oppressor.

Not a serious post but I definitely had a good time writing it.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Arkans
Read the posts on this forum on how people are saying "It's acceptable to call whites crackas because they were never oppressed."

- Arkans

I can find no post in this thread that states that calling white people "crackas" is acceptable. I can find no post in this thread that advocates discrimination against white people. I don't know why you're getting the impression that that's what's being said, Arkans. I don't see it.

More crimes and oppression committed against whites.

http://www.rense.com/general29/silence.htm

- Arkans

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<It's societally tolerable to call whites crackas because "crackas" connotes nothing about how blacks treated whites in the past, and because whites have ALWAYS been the opressors.>>

But obviously if you call someone a nigger it goes back hundreds of years to the days of enslavement. Sorry, that's not how it works.

When I hear a white guy say "nigger", it goes back hundreds of years to the days of slavery, then to post-civil war reconstruction where blacks were wantonly lynched and murdered for sport, to Jim Crow, to the late 19th century, where blacks were prevented from voting and going to school, then to the early 1900's, to the Depression Era, then to medical experimentation during WW2. then to a system of constant degradation and inferiority during the mid 20th century, school segragation, the back of the bus, and to now, where most blacks live in poverty with no opportunity for upward mobility, or even a decent crime free existence.

When I hear "cracka", nothing much comes to mind.

[DeV]

Arkans is feeling especially oppressed today.

Just be yourself and stop caring with others think.

"So what does this mean? A racist slur against minrities is another example of continuing white tyranny and propogation of an oppresive societal hierarchy that has plagued the world throughout history.

A racist slur against whites, however, is an exercise of civil protest against the ruling majority, a questioning of authority, and an expression of an individual's disenfranchisement from his racial identity as well as the rest of society. "

There ya go, HN.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Odd, Farquar. When I hear "cracka" something does come to mind. That something is identical to the something that comes to mind when I hear a black person called "niggah", or an Asian person called "chink".

I will stop caring what others think once I am not hounded and called a rascist or a Nazi for being proud of being white.

- Arkans

[Bobmuhthol]

So now what you hear is the law of the world, Farquar? Because when I hear nigger, it goes back 0 seconds to the exact moment when I heard it. And then I laugh.

When I hear cracker [cracka? wtf? Anyone who wants to complain about blacks being discriminated against isn't going to type in a stereotypical retarded black dialect], I think, "This guy is a fucking idiot."

Which one of us is right? (Hint: not you)

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Arkans
More crimes and oppression committed against whites.

http://www.rense.com/general29/silence.htm

- Arkans

I just wanted to make it simple for you. Of course I'd expect that in billions of discrete events of racially motivated acts over the past 500 years, you'd manage to find...TWO events where the roles were reversed. Bravo.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
I will stop caring what others think once I am not hounded and called a rascist or a Nazi for being proud of being white.

- Arkans Are those who are hounding you of a minority race? You seem to overlook the fact that there are black people who don't consider you a racist yet you go on as if everyone is against you and your version of "white oppression". I don't get it.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I just wanted to make it simple for you. Of course I'd expect that in billions of discrete events of racially motivated acts over the past 500 years, you'd manage to find...TWO events where the roles were reversed. Bravo.>>

You're just upset because there are more crackers than niggers. They don't stand a chance. Send a white guy into black gang territory (and don't you fucking dare call me a racist for saying that - fact is fact) and see who the oppressor is. More people, more power. For someone who claims to make things simple, you sure are retarded.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Arkans
"So what does this mean? A racist slur against minrities is another example of continuing white tyranny and propogation of an oppresive societal hierarchy that has plagued the world throughout history.

A racist slur against whites, however, is an exercise of civil protest against the ruling majority, a questioning of authority, and an expression of an individual's disenfranchisement from his racial identity as well as the rest of society. "

There ya go, HN.

- Arkans

I read those two paragraphs as endeavors to delineate the subliminal meaning behind racial slurs, and the differences perceived by the deliverers, and the targets, of those slurs. I do not read them as saying that any racial slurs are "okay".

If, however, I am mistaken and that is what the author of those two paragraphs meant to say, then the author of those two paragraphs is an ass. :D

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
So now what you hear is the law of the world, Farquar? Because when I hear ******, it goes back 0 seconds to the exact moment when I heard it. And then I laugh.

When I hear cracker [cracka? wtf? Anyone who wants to complain about blacks being discriminated against isn't going to type in a stereotypical retarded black dialect], I think, "This guy is a fucking idiot."

Which one of us is right? (Hint: not you)

Of course the N word means nothing to you, you're not black dumbass. I've seen a few large black men break down in tears when visiting various slave muesums throughout the country, and that word carries particular weight with almost any black person you might encounter. Go try it and see how they react.

Oh, and I don't usually bring out my credentials but my socio degree from a certain ivy league college in NJ beats the shit out of your half completed high school degree, kthx.

[Edited on 28-1-05 by Miss X]

[Farquar]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Arkans
"So what does this mean? A racist slur against minrities is another example of continuing white tyranny and propogation of an oppresive societal hierarchy that has plagued the world throughout history.

A racist slur against whites, however, is an exercise of civil protest against the ruling majority, a questioning of authority, and an expression of an individual's disenfranchisement from his racial identity as well as the rest of society. "

There ya go, HN.

- Arkans

I read those two paragraphs as endeavors to delineate the subliminal meaning behind racial slurs, and the differences perceived by the deliverers, and the targets, of those slurs. I do not read them as saying that any racial slurs are "okay".

If, however, I am mistaken and that is what the author of those two paragraphs meant to say, then the author of those two paragraphs is an ass. :D

Racial slurs are never ok. I am stating this for the record.

[HarmNone]

Then, I understood your meaning correctly, Farquar. That's good to know. :)

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Of course the N word means nothing to you, you're not black dumbass.>>

Then I guess you *are* black, in which case the C word means nothing to you. You walked right into that one, DUMBASS.

[Bobmuhthol]

btw, Princeton isn't even a good school. Fuck your degree. You can't beat a 14-year-old in an argument.

[Warriorbird]

When I hear a white guy say nigger it goes back to two places. One pathetic and forgiveable, one not.

Either A. It goes back to white people trying to pretend to be black for rap's sake.

B. It goes back to all the stupid fucking racist bastards and people who rationalize for racist bastards, who've told stupid jokes and racist statements in my prescence for years.

When I hear "cracka" it's a parody.

The few times I've actually observed anti-white racism that's serious and pervasive have been slim to nil compared to the other side. Hell, I've worked multiple sales jobs in Durham, NC, which Soulpieced can tell you is really god damn black.

I'm sorry you're too young to get that Bob, and Arkans likes rationalization too much, and Ben's just not gonna change.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Farquar
I can unequivocably state that every other racial group would be much better off had they never come into contact with the whites.Who needs penicillin, anyway.
When I say "white" I mean any angloid western-european imperialist race whose language originated from latin.So you're not so much describing a genetic or physical grouping as a cultural or societal grouping. Do I get you?

I'd go into your diatribe about all the bad things white people did before my family (I'm white) immigrated here are somehow my fault (I am such an oppressive majority bully after all), but I'm sort of hoping you weren't being serious, or something.
Originally posted by Warriorbird
It goes back to all the stupid fucking racist bastards and people who rationalize for racist bastards, who've told stupid jokes and racist statements in my prescence for years.

When I hear "cracka" it's a parody.There aren't any black racists?

[Warriorbird]

Of course there are. I protested against Farrakhan coming to my college. To compare the number of Nation of Islam radicals and other black racists to the number of white racists, however...

For some reason, I think the white folks are going to come out ahead.

[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Warriorbird]

[HarmNone]

I'm not so sure that's true on a per capita basis, Warriorbird. I also believe that change is taking place. Living in South Carolina, I am exposed to racism on a pretty consistent basis, yet I see improvements happening, and hatreds lessening. Perhaps, we are coming to better understanding that people are, above all, just people.

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Send a white guy into black gang territory (and don't you fucking dare call me a racist for saying that - fact is fact) and see who the oppressor is.

By some peoples contradictory thought process, it's obvious the white guy deserves whatever happens to him. That fucker had it coming to him.

I can see the point that some of you are making, but Warriorbird's and Farquar's silly posts about the white man deserving mistreatment in the present because of things the white man did in the past were just ludicrous. In one breath, they say don't judge people on their skin color, and in the next they act like "the white man" is one individual.

It's so contradictory to oppose racism, and then to excuse it in the same breath.


Originally posted by Warriorbird
Us poor white people. So deeply oppressed. We should whine about it because we can't grasp that sometimes we've treated others badly. Boo hoo.


Originally posted by Farquar
The day you see people crying in outrage over a racist slur against whites will be the same day when the average black kid has the same opportunities throughout life as the average white kid. Till then, no one will really take your reverse racism argument seriously.

How do you guys reconcile these diametrically opposed thought processes?

I've never said that I felt white people were being oppressed, I just thought it was laughable that it was deemed excusable if/when it does happen due to past events that are completely unrelated to the present.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
Who needs penicillin, anyway.

Not that it matters, but I wasn't aware that Alexander Fleming (Sir) was black.

I could be wrong ... but I don't think I am.

[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Tsa`ah]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Not that it matters, but I wasn't aware that Alexander Fleming (Sir) was black.I was implying that the guy who discovered it was white. I'm not quite sure how you thought I was doing anything else, unless you mistook my words as Farquar's.

[Tsa`ah]

Ah ... I gotcha. :P

[Warriorbird]

I've walked through, "black gang territory" several times and come out fine. Yet, the only time I've been harassed by the police for doing my job was in Cary, NC, which is pretty white/asian, all told.

But, of course, T+S. History didn't happen. I mean, shit, the civil rights era wasn't in the 20th century. Go on with "liberal" baiting. I'm sure Ben is real glad he has you to defend him. You need to save the racists from my oppression.

I don't give a damn if Dave Chappelle makes a few jokes about white people. If the Nation of Islam claims white people were the invention of an insane black scientist, well, we must've done some pretty crazy shit to them. If they're at a position to do something truly offensive, sure, then I'll do something, but quite frankly, they aren't.

I'm sure you can get in line with the Holocaust deniers too.

[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Bobmuhthol]

I can only assume you're talking to me, Warriorbird.

My response is, of course, wtf? and stfu.

[Warriorbird]

Earlier I was. That was to Tea and Strumpets. Oh yeah. So stfu.

See. I didn't go to Princeton yet I can argue better than Farquar!

[Bobmuhthol]

Okay, I had no idea what you were talking about, I just saw the reference to something I said.

Carry on, my Caucasian brethren.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
I don't give a damn if Dave Chappelle makes a few jokes about white people.

[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Warriorbird] That is one funny motherfucker. I laugh when he jokes on whites and blacks alike. At least he can find some form of humor in it.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by DeV
Actually, 4% were sent to America and 40% were sent to Brazil. At one point half the population of Brazil were slaves which shows the magnitute of their role.

Thanks for corroborating what I said ;)

Edited to put in a smiley, don't want what I said to be taken sarcastically.

[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Hulkein]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by xtc
Portughese doesn't equal white? Portugal is in Europe, Portuguese are caucasians. I have always thought of Portuguese people as white.

Portuguese people are considered Caucasians?

Yes, they're in Europe and a part of Western Civilization, but since when are they considered white?

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Farquar

Originally posted by Hulkein
Last I checked, Portuguese does not equal white.
[Edited on 1-28-2005 by Hulkein]

When I say "white" I mean any angloid western-european imperialist race whose language originated from latin. This primarily includes the romance language countries: the French, Spaniards, Italians, as well as the English, Portugese, Germans, Swedes, and the Nordic races.

So basically half of the world?

Eh, if you're going to be that indiscriminate, ok...

[Warriorbird]

And a lot of the slave trade was conducted by Muslims. Still don't excuse white on black racism.

:P