Official: Summit Academy in December

[Fallen]

That's right! Summit Academy will be our December event. Dates are still being finalized, but we will have more information for you very soon.
In addition to the services available at the past event (spell preps, swears, signature verbs, log phrases, feature pavilion [for body, distinguishing mark, and wing quirks], enhancive permanence), we've now added spell customizations to the available services. This pertains to things like Manna, Well of Life, Tangleweed, etc. Most, if not all, of the offerings from the last run are available this time around, and many have more options available.

We will post more information as it becomes available.

~ Haliste ~
The Forest Gnome of Silverwood Manor
SGM, Events

Omrii: Okay, thanks Haliste. You're way better than Wyrom.

This message was originally posted in Paid Events: Adventures, Quests, and SimuCoins, Summit Academy. To discuss the above, follow the link below.

http://forums.play.net/forums/19/218/3311/view/425

[Fallen]

Cubes will never be returning in that form ever again.


Wyrom, PM

[Amerek]

Yuck

[Alastir]

I'm glad to see they realized the problem cubes created. It dumped way too many silvers into the game.

[AnOrdim]

While I enjoy the ability to customize character(s), stuff like this should just be available all the time. The customizations can't be traded so there is no secondary market. I'd be more disappointed coming in as a new player and knowing that I missed a chance to customize my character than anything else.

[Taernath]

What were cubes and what was the issue?

[beldannon5]

what was said up there too many silvers dumped into the game. you opened the cubes possibly got something neat, or just silvers and gems

[Alastir]

What were cubes and what was the issue?

It was basically simucoins for silvers, and it was incredibly cheap. I don't remember if it was $1 per mil or $4 per mil, but it dumped hundreds of millions, if not a billion coins into the game.

[Goat]

I didn't get involved, but I think it was closer to $4/m than $1/m. I think it wasn't exceptionally high throughput per character though - anyone know?

And yes, I'm very glad to see that's not happening again.

[mgoddess]

Glad to see S.A. making an appearance again, and I agree with Ordim that some form of it should be always available (a slimmed down version, with maybe two or three options in each category available).... also glad to see cubes aren't coming back.

[Palcron]

Per Wyrom for the last run...


As for the cubes, this is yet another take on it where the ROI is tangible (in the game anyway) to a value everyone can easily see. The average prize is ~10000 silvers between gems and coins.

The 250 use cubes went for 2500 simucoins. At the time, buying a cube broke even with the amount of silver/gems that you pulled even if you didn’t pull an actual prize. If you got a prize, cool, but otherwise, you were straight up buying silver for simucoins at the going rate at the time.

2500 simucoins = 250 use cube = 2.5m silvers

Depending on whether or not you buy your coins in bulk, that comes out to between $7 and $8.5 per million.

[Fallen]

>Iron Skin/Dragonclaw

Nothing specifically for these spells, but there are a bunch of new "ALL" spell preps.

> Enhancive swapping

I hope to automate this at some point, but it is not available for this run.

~ Haliste ~
The Forest Gnome of Silverwood Manor
SGM, Events

Omrii: Okay, thanks Haliste. You're way better than Wyrom.

[Fallen]

This run of Summit Academy will have all of the customizations offered at the last run, and has updates to the following:

Spell Preps
Swears
Signature Verbs

Log Phrases are still available but had no updates to its options.

In addition, pre-written custom spell options are available as another automated service. This includes options for the following:

Fire Spirit
Empathic Assault
Manna
Major Sanctuary
Well of Life
Raise Dead
Hand of Tonis
Balefire
Animated Disk
Tangleweed
Grasp of the Grave
Call Swarm (no new options)

Any custom spell options found in the previous run's treasure cubes are now available from the uniformed attendant in the library of Thurgine Hall.

The feature pavilion will also return, with new feature options for both Body and Wing Quirks. Distinguishing Mark features are also available, but there are no new options.

For the enhancive tokens, existing tokens (ie: those purchased previously or those received in the Simucon Goodie Bags) are eligible for the following enhancive services:

* Enhancive permanence
* Increase Max Mana
* Increase Max Charges

Moving forward, enhancive permanence will not be available. Enhancive tokens purchased for this run will be ineligible for use with the enhancive permanence option.

The fusion shaman has been hired by the Academy and will be making his debut appearance. More information to come on this.



~ Haliste ~
The Forest Gnome of Silverwood Manor
SGM, Events

Omrii: Okay, thanks Haliste. You're way better than Wyrom.

[Mogonis]

So there's no enhancive permanence this time unless you have tokens from previous runs?

[Fallen]

So there's no enhancive permanence this time unless you have tokens from previous runs?

Yep, or from the Indiegogo campaigns.

[zephyrii]

classic simu bait and switch. don't even pretend to not see this coming.

this summit is a complete bust. no permanence, no swapping, no cube, crappy fusion...really whats the point

[Viekn]

classic simu bait and switch. don't even pretend to not see this coming.

this summit is a complete bust. no permanence, no swapping, no cube, crappy fusion...really whats the point

Not sure about everything else, but not sure you can really say "what's the point". Seems to be that anyone who genuinely cares about customizing their character as far as physical appearance, personal reactions to the world, etc., this is the go to event.

[Mogonis]

I didn't see it coming. Super disappointing. It's the only thing I wanted.

[beldannon5]

hopefully it will be a bad event for them and they will stop being stupid! I doubt it

[Archigeek]

Permanence followed by swapping were the two best services at this event. At least there'll be SWP. That's supposed to be common, so it must be making an appearance.

[Hedrik]

I figured they would have made this their last run allowing enhancive permanence and pretty disappointed by their decision.

[Aluvius]

Jebus, I can't believe they pulled enhancive permanence from Summit Academy. I bet it will show up as a reward in the next slot machine run of whatever.

[AnOrdim]

Gonna keep nerfing and nerfing and nerfing until there is nothing left to do but buy shit
They are turning Gemstone into a shitty phone app game.
Everyone can keep covering their eyes but every dev decision makes it more and more clear

[Methais]

It was basically simucoins for silvers, and it was incredibly cheap. I don't remember if it was $1 per mil or $4 per mil, but it dumped hundreds of millions, if not a billion coins into the game.

While Simu cries about the lack of silver drains.

You can’t make this stuff up.

[AnOrdim]

Then why keep subbing? pull your subs and put your money where your mouth is.

canceled a sub, why dont you put a dick where you mouth is

[Jhynnifer]

Unbelievable.

[Fallen]

Regarding enhancive permanence, it had become an increasingly common service or the last year or two, way beyond what it was actually planned or authorized to be. It (and fusion) became increasingly notable when we were going over the 2016 auction items and various feeder items (before that too, but that was the tipping point) to the point where we increasingly found ourselves pulling back on what could be offered with respect to enhancive items because most of the balancing factors that we could add to the items could trivially be circumvented at the next event or two, either by literally orbing away most of the item or by simply applying a common service (which was getting to the point of being slipped into goody bags for basically free).

So, unfortunately, we need to pull back enhancive permanence to where we actually wanted its rarity level to be at (which, as a permanent removal of a significant item drawback, should be much rarer). In its place, we are intending to offer a less permanent item crumbliness protection service, so that if you do find a crumbly enhancive item you'd like to to keep, you can still access a fairly common service to prevent it from crumbling, but at a cost and/or effort more in-line with the benefit derived.

Again, I apologize for this, but its an unfortunate set of events that requires us to pull back on some of the excesses of enhancive item distribution that have occurred over the last few years, so that we can have more flexibility in offering new things going forward.

Coase

[Mogonis]

Regarding enhancive permanence, it had become an increasingly common service or the last year or two, way beyond what it was actually planned or authorized to be.
Why does it seem like this is a common occurrence? How do so many things end up going beyond what was planned "or authorized." This makes no sense.

If you continue to scale back things that make people happy, you're gonna lose people.

[AnOrdim]

hahahah the excessive offering was them making money hand over fist with simucoin events! what a fucking joke

[Roblar]

I understand the reaction somewhat, but I'm confused by a couple statements that don't make logical sense (like the above).

If they are making money hand and fist off excessive simucoin event offering of permanence, how is that evidence of a cash grab? It actually shows the decision is not based on revenue (which is likely seeing a drop at this event and your subscription) but I would think a sincere look at game balance.

The other cynical theory would be that it is to drive more store sales of monthly perm potions which would make some sense but that last post and another one earlier today seem that they made alot of money off this during events.

It was only offered as automated 1 Summit run. The other limited ticket Sylinar runs were probably more used for swapping with some permanence. Otherwise it was mostly Briarmoon (once) and EG (maybe 4 years/runs?), as part of bundled festivals with alot of services and things.

I agree a head's up would have been good but we also see and complain about Duskruin and other events dumping silvers, 5x gear, claidhmores, and all sorts of stuff into the economy. It seemed obvious that it was unsustainable without a pullback at some point. Gemstone has always gone into cycles of push/pull between Dev and making customers happy. Half a decade or more probably went by before I saw a weighting service greater than "heavy". Premium point costs were alot higher when I enchanted a HCP item and those got reduced and now mages can player enchant most weighted gear.

I mean stuff happens, but you're an amusing & great character in game and I hope we don't lose you permanently.

[AnOrdim]

I find myself just grinding out hunting to get manna points to enchant. I defended that mechanic when its clear its just utterly terrible for the game. The development team has no clear goal or process to effectivly manage the game as they should. You have bits and pieces of projects and directions that dont fit. Sure, that adds to the charm, but when you are paying 15/50 or more per month to play, the expectations are that the money goes towards funding a clear goal. I've never agreed with their payment (or lack there of) scheme with the GMs. It doesn't bread the best environment for getting stuff done and that clearly shows with savants, guild skills etc etc.

The biggest difference between everything before and now is they flat out sold specific services for cash. Duskruin is spend X amount to get Y service. Mechanical services, almost every other game only does cash sales for cosmetics for a reason. When you do pay 2 win you create an environment of expectation that is unsustainable.

Gemstone isnt a pvp game. Its a roleplaying game with PVE elements. There is ZERO reason to worry about balance beyond "well, we cant let them get invincible, but let them have fun". Instead of reducing and gimping things, they should be developing scaling critters, unique new mechanics and otherwise adding to the game, not subtracting. It shows a severe lack of ability when you just start nerfing things you cant control.

[Fortybox]

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TRANSLATION: We are pulling back on this service because we realize we can monetize off of it.

[Fallen]

TRANSLATION: We are pulling back on this service because we realize we can monetize off of it.

Not sure I follow. They are making something soon to be up for sale less valuable. If they wanted to cash in properly, they would announce this change and say this is the last time it'll be offered, so you better buy buy buy before it's gone. IMO, this is the route they should go for a variety of reasons.

[Fortybox]

Not sure I follow. They are making something soon to be up for sale less valuable. If they wanted to cash in properly, they would announce this change and say this is the last time it'll be offered, so you better buy buy buy before it's gone. IMO, this is the route they should go for a variety of reasons.

Because they want to monetize something that has become popular. Since it has demand they can tap into it. I just wish they'd come right out and say it rather than giving multiple paragraphs of crap.

[Fortybox]

I find myself just grinding out hunting to get manna points to enchant. I defended that mechanic when its clear its just utterly terrible for the game. The development team has no clear goal or process to effectivly manage the game as they should. You have bits and pieces of projects and directions that dont fit. Sure, that adds to the charm, but when you are paying 15/50 or more per month to play, the expectations are that the money goes towards funding a clear goal. I've never agreed with their payment (or lack there of) scheme with the GMs. It doesn't bread the best environment for getting stuff done and that clearly shows with savants, guild skills etc etc.

The biggest difference between everything before and now is they flat out sold specific services for cash. Duskruin is spend X amount to get Y service. Mechanical services, almost every other game only does cash sales for cosmetics for a reason. When you do pay 2 win you create an environment of expectation that is unsustainable.

Gemstone isnt a pvp game. Its a roleplaying game with PVE elements. There is ZERO reason to worry about balance beyond "well, we cant let them get invincible, but let them have fun". Instead of reducing and gimping things, they should be developing scaling critters, unique new mechanics and otherwise adding to the game, not subtracting. It shows a severe lack of ability when you just start nerfing things you cant control.

Are you going to post a PC quitting post?

[AnOrdim]

nah, that's it. that's all I got.

[Roblar]

Because they want to monetize something that has become popular. Since it has demand they can tap into it. I just wish they'd come right out and say it rather than giving multiple paragraphs of crap.

I still don't get this reasoning.

It is already monetized! All they would need to do is, nothing. People would pay for simucoins to buy the tokens directly in the store. Pulling the service is the opposite of monetizing it.

It's not like it wasn't for sale in the store and was only an EG service that they planned to put in the store for direct sales (when the event runs to redeem). It was already like that.

Which is why I posted, it doesn't make sense as proof. Perhaps other events or situations can be seen like that but the complaint against enhancive permanence being reduced in availibility can't be greedy Simutronics in this case.

[Fortybox]

I still don't get this reasoning.

It is already monetized! All they would need to do is, nothing. People would pay for simucoins to buy the tokens directly in the store. Pulling the service is the opposite of monetizing it.

It's not like it wasn't for sale in the store and was only an EG service that they planned to put in the store for direct sales (when the event runs to redeem). It was already like that.

Which is why I posted, it doesn't make sense as proof. Perhaps other events or situations can be seen like that but the complaint against enhancive permanence being reduced in availibility can't be greedy Simutronics in this case.

I took it to believe that they were pulling it only to introduce it later. That way they build up the demand.

[AnOrdim]

The new style of fusion is going to degrade. You will have to keep buying them. They will offer services to prevent it or reduce it as either simucoin shop stuff or duskruin features. Its adding additional things down the line that can be monetized above and beyond what already is. Double dipping.

Right now you might be buying a potion to keep your enhancive charged, soon people might have to buy a charge potion, a power preservation potion and a shatterproofing potion or damage removal/reduction services!


Its just as much about providing less while paying the same amount.

[Roblar]

The biggest difference between everything before and now is they flat out sold specific services for cash. Duskruin is spend X amount to get Y service. Mechanical services, almost every other game only does cash sales for cosmetics for a reason. When you do pay 2 win you create an environment of expectation that is unsustainable.

Duskruin is borderline, it is still highly limited by time/effort not just money. It is not direct store sales but an event/game unlike what I assume you meant was other game's store (for cosmetics). Hell, last run most of my slips were silver purchased.

Pulling mechanically beneficial (somewhat really, more for peace of mind) permanence actually makes the event more custom/RP specific to your last paragraph. I wouldn't say there is zero reason to worry about game balance when the game isn't based around PvP but we can agree to disagree. ;)

I mean it is a long term game but yes I do agree to
they should be developing scaling critters, unique new mechanics and otherwise adding to the game, not subtracting. It shows a severe lack of ability when you just start nerfing things you cant control. I just think it is clear that there has been unique new mechanics, scaling creatures (Reim), additions to the game. You likely are just frustrated by the amount or perception of the rates of such.

[Roblar]

I took it to believe that they were pulling it only to introduce it later. That way they build up the demand.

I don't think so, I mean I hope it returns even if the compromise is limited purchases, like locker upgrades, but not sure how much more demand would be increased but it could be like:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xSFI1mNyFg7dh6/giphy.gif

[AnOrdim]

Duskruin is borderline, it is still highly limited by time/effort not just money. It is not direct store sales but an event/game unlike what I assume you meant was other game's store (for cosmetics). Hell, last run most of my slips were silver purchased.

Someone paid cash for those booklets, even if you just paid silvers. There was only a limited amount of truely silver only booklets that went out.


I mean it is a long-term game but yes I do agree to I just think it is clear that there has been unique new mechanics, scaling creatures (Reim), additions to the game. You likely are just frustrated by the amount or perception of the rates of such.
Reim doesn't REALLY scale though. It spawns critters at level. Thats the weakness. Because they capped level at 100. If it really scaled it would take into account TPs and items and weapons and stuff. It's actually three fully fleshed out areas that people of certain levels get funneled into. It's not a true "instance" as one would expect it in a video game. They have a weapon/armor power level rating system.
The expectations are set because Wyrom flat out told us that the money we spend is supposed to go into paying the GMs to do this stuff. Someone , maybe a product manager, should be focusing on the longterm system, like what they are doing for automation, but for hunting/combat.
Yes, you can't have invincible people running around because thats not fun. Powercreep is a real thing, but the combat is just as much as backdrop for the RP and vice versa. You can't make everyone gods, but you can give them some powerful toys and not ruin the game. I think the indicator that people were miffed at the limited service at EG is a good indication that its a service that certainly isn't running out of customers.

And this is all mostly about just this one service change, let alone the nerf to fusion overall.

[Roblar]

No other than the first one, I bought from Wyrom's table.

It wasn't that limited, he put more out again that lasted until the last day basically. Another example of not always about the cash! I preferred the tables even if they went for more to cause real drain.


Reim doesn't REALLY scale though. It spawns critters at level. Thats the weakness. Because they capped level at 100. If it really scaled it would take into account TPs and items and weapons and stuff. It's actually three fully fleshed out areas that people of certain levels get funneled into. It's not a true "instance" as one would expect it in a video game. They have a weapon/armor power level rating system.
The expectations are set because Wyrom flat out told us that the money we spend is supposed to go into paying the GMs to do this stuff. Someone , maybe a product manager, should be focusing on the longterm system, like what they are doing for automation, but for hunting/combat.
Yes, you can't have invincible people running around because thats not fun. Powercreep is a real thing, but the combat is just as much as backdrop for the RP and vice versa. You can't make everyone gods, but you can give them some powerful toys and not ruin the game. I think the indicator that people were miffed at the limited service at EG is a good indication that its a service that certainly isn't running out of customers.

And this is all mostly about just this one service change, let alone the nerf to fusion overall.


Good points, it is a tough balance. Level is probably alot easier I'd guess I wouldn't imagine the technical hurdles to making it skill based but I'm not a coder.

[AnOrdim]

The first books were priced just above what the secondary market values silvers and just above what other players were selling books for. I bought one, for the novelty of it. The second set was priced WAY over what the markets were and that is why they lasted so long (don't think they ever sold out). Was it a nice gesture, yes it was. Was it calculated and an experiment? 100%.
I don't doubt that Wyrom is willing to make concessions to the player base, but I think he also plays both sides VERY well. Its a very common tactic to go into a negotiation with some throwaway points and outlandish requests that you can shed off or roll back quickly to appear to be willing to negotiate when your real goals sneak through. I think that happens a lot. We all get tied up bickering and arguing with each other and the GMs just coast by with changes that aren't the best in the long run because we were divided and conquered.
OR
maybe thats all just to conspiratorial and its simply that they have a bunch of people mostly just doing their own thing and no one is really looking at the big picture.

[Roblar]

They eventually did, maybe not the bronze or 10 run passes I forget.

With the event extension, we had more time than sense! Oh, also the store closed down (the last weekend so only those existing purchased ones and the silver ones in the arena were left.

I forgot the cutoff so still had some simucoins leftover which ended up used for EG instead.

[Methais]

I never understood why Simu is so obsessed with everything being perfectly balanced in a PvE game. As long as you're not effectively god mode or so weak and shitty that nobody wants to play you like monks apparently are, why do they really give a shit?

The wizard nerfs were a prime example of this and I have little doubt that similar nerfs for more classes are coming.

[Taernath]

"Game balance" is only invoked when it suits their agenda.

[drauz]

I never understood why Simu is so obsessed with everything being perfectly balanced in a PvE game. As long as you're not effectively god mode or so weak and shitty that nobody wants to play you like monks apparently are, why do they really give a shit?

The wizard nerfs were a prime example of this and I have little doubt that similar nerfs for more classes are coming.

Its for the post cap stuffs that coming RSN.

[SonoftheNorth]

DON'T NEED HARDER POST CAP HUNTING GROUNDS WHEN YOU GET KILLED IN THE EXISTING ONES AUTOMATICALLY HEHEHEHE

[Fallen]

Events change their offerings almost every single time they run. What ran last time is never guaranteed to run again. This is the case with every event we do in GemStone IV and just about holds true from each event we've repeated.

For the enhancive token, specifically the permanence, this was a Sylinar's Spire offering that was limited to 20 to 50 ticket holders. We allowed multiple ticket purchases during the Spire. When it moved to Summit Academy, everyone wasn't on the same page for how we'd continue to offer this service, but it was never anticipated as something offered in mass quantities.

Back in 2010, I offered this service for the first time as my merchant Rolarg at Ebon Gate. That was the only time it was ever specifically approved to be offered in unlimited quantities. Since then, we've either done one per account or limited it to tickets to an event. The SimuCoin events are very tough for us to forecast how they will do, but one thing is certain is that they do much better than we ever anticipated. We can only continue to gather data and adjust the events each run. Even Duskruin, an event that has run 8 times now, is tweaked and molded from previous data. It's constantly evolving. We also don't offer the same things at each Duskruin, we constantly retire or rotate items, services, and treasure.

Two things here to keep in mind. There were plenty of enhancive tokens from February still out in circulation. There are also quite a few from the SimuCon Goodie Bags. Your last hurrah with this service is definitely there, if you can get your hands on them, and there are plenty to get your hands on.

The Development team needs to make some long-needed adjustments to how enhancives are applied to players. The game's longevity is important. During the design of the enhancive system, it was never intended for people to walk around with +40 and +50 to multiple stats and skills, but that's a reality now. We have to scale back at some point. That doesn't mean this service is gone. It's just moving back to a rarer service.

The SimuCoin potion comment doesn't really apply, as it does something different, which is save on bounty points.

>>My subscription was never guaranteed from month to month. I already canceled one and this confirms that the other is now to be canceled.

We definitely encourage players to take a break if they are no longer getting enjoyment from their subscription. It's unfortunate the way you feel, but it is within your right to place your entertainment dollars where yo see fit.

>>If development spent more time on actually developing new things instead of letting them linger you wouldn't have to spend this time nerfing stuff and worrying about balance against ... no one?

The Development Team spends countless hours developing new things, as GemStone IV has had more developments in the last 3 years than ever before.

>>There was no further information for 11 days after this post that the permanence would only be using old/SimuCon-issued tokens. People made plans and you're wondering why they're upset.

If someone made a purchase on or after 12/4 that we can verify from the logs for in-game silver and they used the GIVE or EXCHANGE verb, I'll go ahead and reimburse your silver and take the enhancive item out of game. You will need to email me directly using the email author link to the left of this post (in Legacy).


Wyrom, PM

[Geijon]

They eventually did, maybe not the bronze or 10 run passes I forget.

With the event extension, we had more time than sense! Oh, also the store closed down (the last weekend so only those existing purchased ones and the silver ones in the arena were left.

I forgot the cutoff so still had some simucoins leftover which ended up used for EG instead.

People actually get pretty god mode is the issue. We see the micro sometimes with like Reim and spawn rates or the paladin spell, but the GMs like Coase see the decimals of power scaling trend into the trillions of the cost economy and have to find what look like unpopular decisions.

A lot of this has come with tempered fixes. The orb prying is a big deal as a lot of people have orbs they don't need to remove and with crumble the common enhancivr are likely to be stronger or sold due to their expiration or upkeep.

[gilchristr]

"one thing is certain is that they do much better than we ever anticipated"

Lol, its like he has a macro assigned to insert phrase like this into the middle of his posts.

[Fallen]

I would like to unpack part of this post, since there is a large misunderstanding here.

>>Between the WPS lies about being more available and now the fusion Nerf, I have been consistently disappointed in the development direction.

WPS has been offered a lot more since the update. Prior to the update, it was offered maybe once or twice a year. Since the update, it has been offered 5 times.

>>Its amazingly clear that any real development time is spent on Simucoin gambling/slot machine games and nerfing down mechanics to move people to spend money on simucoin shop items and buying into events.

The Development team does not spend a lot of time on events. Senior staff does spend some time in the approval stages and some of the backbone mechanics, but the majority of the team works directly on further development of the mechanical aspects of the game. The Events team is the only dedicated team for events.

[gilchristr]

"It actually shows the decision is not based on revenue (which is likely seeing a drop at this event and your subscription) but I would think a sincere look at game balance."

Roblar, there is short term revenue and overall revenue. While I agree with you that they ought to have expected a drop in short term revenue for this event after announcing no more enhancive permanence*, I think what other players are saying is that it was still geared towards increasing revenue overall.

* we actually dont know that this announcement will decrease short term revenue at this event, or that the developers would have anticipated this even if it does end up happening. They seem quite bold in discussing the in-elasticity of the demand for some of their events.

[Pereus]

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Just some sampling of Wyroms posts:

The NPC blacksmith (smithy) that will do the services is being debuted at Duskruin with a service cap and bloodscrip cost, but it will be offered beyond this event very often. Not just pay events. The frequency of this service will be much greater during normal gameplay than at pay events. GM Merchants are also going to be able to offer this a lot more as well. Prior to this update, we very rarely offered anything beyond "heavy" with services. It wasn't until CCF/RtCF that we worked on items beyond 8x or HCP/HCW. And even then, we had capped amounts of points we were allowed to allocate to items. The majority of players under the old ways of releases were always locked out of these types of services. We never did a whole lot per year.


As for pay events, dates and times are only tentative until about 30 days before they run. SGM Haliste and I plan to try to do better with that time table, but not all of it is within our control. Pay events are guaranteed the months of February, April, June, August, October, and December.


And Coase:


You now also have the very easily accessible option of steadily improving pretty much any gear that you have with a benefit that, due to the above, no longer comes with quite so many restrictions. While it may seem underwhelming to only be able to put 2 points of weighting on a fresh item at this one event, that two points is now quite a lot better than two points was a few days ago, since it no longer restricts you in quite so many ways. It is also important to note that since this Duskruin is the very first outing of the system, we made the decision to be very conservative with access to make sure the system is actually working as it should. It wouldn't be ideal for either side if we allowed unlimited services, only to need to refund large amounts of purchases if it turned out that price or other changes needed to be made.

[Lulfas]

As for pay events, dates and times are only tentative until about 30 days before they run. SGM Haliste and I plan to try to do better with that time table, but not all of it is within our control. Pay events are guaranteed the months of February, April, June, August, October, and December.


Up to 6 times per year now. Wow.

[Roblar]

Up to 6 times per year now. Wow.


That isn't necessarily true from the pay event time table released, but I get the point that it appears to more tightly controlled than indicated upon release, mostly due to zero times in the months of Nov & Dec.

The six times per year mention of pay events does not really equal the number of times of WPS work because the service can also be offered outside pay events. Many pay events like Delirium, DR Digging, and Summit I don't see as merchant populated venues likely to host WPS. There has been a free festival in September and non pay chance coming to start January for example.

I'd hope for at least 10-12 opportunities a year, preferably with a minimum of 10 service sessions and getting rid of the 60 day window for services past 10 since the cost does escalate and seems to regulate player willingness to afford the work on its own, especially coupled with limited slots, limited service caps, and the amount of service work necessary to get beyond fractions of points.

[AnOrdim]

I'll preface this with say, yes, im a complete shit head but hoo boy, Wyrom is a vindictive manipulative bastard of the best degree:
Apparently my comment about him not being a manager of any real recourse hit close to the bone. He emailed me and then removed my post on the forums with the mention of it. Simutronics is now actively removing posts that point out that they are abusing the GMs to churn out simucoin events at an accelerated rate.
Some choice nuggets from his email - I'm sure he'll release all of them with my full name because thats how he rolls:


there isn't a whole lot I had to do with it. I work with 52 independent contractors that all have areas of interest with the game - More of the same, i can't do anything, blah blah blah


The SimuCon Goodie Bag is another issue where the GM in charge left it to the wayside and told us everything was being handled when we got a status update. We eventually had to pick up the pieces and get it handled. We are still working on the last tidbits. Boom, throws GM zythica under the bus, no remorse, no wave good bye. - Watch out, if you dont deliver Wyrom's gonna get ya! (maybe he DOES do something afterall)


I don't micromanage them ... There are a lot of moving parts to this game, and I have my hands in nearly all of them...I'm here, plugged in just about every day, every week. I too liken my non-micromanagment with being plugged in and involved with everything.


Are you sure your dates are right? I show your access still here for a bit. Or did you ask billing to close them earlier? I very thoroughly checked on your information, its what i do, i learned from Alastir/sasha fierce (my second account closes on the 16th)

So, not much, just gonna churn the waters a bit more until i burn out.
TL:DR - I called out Wyrom for being a glorified community manager and he confirmed it, started removing posts and does what he always does when confronted on his bullshit, he started dipping into account information like his personal treasure trove of defensive material.

[SashaFierce]

I'll preface this with say, yes, im a complete shit head but hoo boy, Wyrom is a vindictive manipulative bastard of the best degree:
Apparently my comment about him not being a manager of any real recourse hit close to the bone. He emailed me and then removed my post on the forums with the mention of it. Simutronics is now actively removing posts that point out that they are abusing the GMs to churn out simucoin events at an accelerated rate.
Some choice nuggets from his email - I'm sure he'll release all of them with my full name because thats how he rolls:

- More of the same, i can't do anything, blah blah blah

Boom, throws GM zythica under the bus, no remorse, no wave good bye. - Watch out, if you dont deliver Wyrom's gonna get ya! (maybe he DOES do something afterall)

I too liken my non-micromanagment with being plugged in and involved with everything.

I very thoroughly checked on your information, its what i do, i learned from Alastir/sasha fierce (my second account closes on the 16th)

So, not much, just gonna churn the waters a bit more until i burn out.
TL:DR - I called out Wyrom for being a glorified community manager and he confirmed it, started removing posts and does what he always does when confronted on his bullshit, he started dipping into account information like his personal treasure trove of defensive material.


What is your goal exactly? I get that you might be unhappy, but you have nothing better to do with your time than this?

[Taernath]

Post what you wrote on the officials and Wyrom's full reply.

[Wrathbringer]

I'll preface this with say, yes, im a complete shit head but hoo boy, Wyrom is a vindictive manipulative bastard of the best degree:
Apparently my comment about him not being a manager of any real recourse hit close to the bone. He emailed me and then removed my post on the forums with the mention of it. Simutronics is now actively removing posts that point out that they are abusing the GMs to churn out simucoin events at an accelerated rate.
Some choice nuggets from his email - I'm sure he'll release all of them with my full name because thats how he rolls:

- More of the same, i can't do anything, blah blah blah

Boom, throws GM zythica under the bus, no remorse, no wave good bye. - Watch out, if you dont deliver Wyrom's gonna get ya! (maybe he DOES do something afterall)

I too liken my non-micromanagment with being plugged in and involved with everything.

I very thoroughly checked on your information, its what i do, i learned from Alastir/sasha fierce (my second account closes on the 16th)

So, not much, just gonna churn the waters a bit more until i burn out.
TL:DR - I called out Wyrom for being a glorified community manager and he confirmed it, started removing posts and does what he always does when confronted on his bullshit, he started dipping into account information like his personal treasure trove of defensive material.

seriously, stfu and leave if you're going to. Everyone is tired of listening to you bitch.

[Jhynnifer]

Incoming stat squish, WoW style!

It boggles my mind that you never expected people to run around with +50 to multiple stats when you're releasing +10-+15 enhancive items into the game. I also don't understand the difference between permanence tokens and enhancive rechargers, pause and simucoin potions in this regard. Without this service all you're doing it pissing off the people who forget to recharge or miss an enhancive and lose it. You're not removing permanence, just the peace of mind that comes with not worrying about enhancive upkeep.

So unless they're moving to a model that doesn't include any kind of enhancive recharging, this is just a jerk move to the community.

[Yulis]

I'll preface this with say, yes, im a complete shit head but hoo boy, Wyrom is a vindictive manipulative bastard of the best degree:
Apparently my comment about him not being a manager of any real recourse hit close to the bone. He emailed me and then removed my post on the forums with the mention of it. Simutronics is now actively removing posts that point out that they are abusing the GMs to churn out simucoin events at an accelerated rate.
Some choice nuggets from his email - I'm sure he'll release all of them with my full name because thats how he rolls:

- More of the same, i can't do anything, blah blah blah

Boom, throws GM zythica under the bus, no remorse, no wave good bye. - Watch out, if you dont deliver Wyrom's gonna get ya! (maybe he DOES do something afterall)

I too liken my non-micromanagment with being plugged in and involved with everything.

I very thoroughly checked on your information, its what i do, i learned from Alastir/sasha fierce (my second account closes on the 16th)

So, not much, just gonna churn the waters a bit more until i burn out.
TL:DR - I called out Wyrom for being a glorified community manager and he confirmed it, started removing posts and does what he always does when confronted on his bullshit, he started dipping into account information like his personal treasure trove of defensive material.

Someone else pushing back against Wyrom now? Awesome! I don't follow much here on PC since I left GSIV and I sometimes cruise through the official forums to see if anything new that is worthwhile to me has come up, but nothing has changed and staff is still fucking things up. It seems I picked a good time to poke my nose into the forums on PC and official.

Do your best and give him hell. That condescending prick of a PM has earned every single thing that's been said to him. I know it made me feel better when I called him out on the officials.....before they pulled my post and banned my access. It's been, I think, 4 months now and I can say that I don't miss the back-handed comments from Wyrom, the bait and switches and the shitty customer service response on the forums from NIR. I've found better things to sink my $60 a month into, instead of giving it to Simu.

Seems that things are starting to drop off faster than I thought they would, but it was just inevitable that more and more people would come to a similar conclusion about how they want to spend their money and it won't be with Simu.

I've got my popcorn and I will keep watching for a bit to see how it all finally ends. Good times for me here, I get to sit back and read about how others are pissed and are giving it back, instead of being the one at the front of the charge.

[Luntz]

What is your goal exactly? I get that you might be unhappy, but you have nothing better to do with your time than this?

The goddamn irony of this post is so amazing bwahahaha, you sure are one delusional bitch ass loser.

[Pereus]

I mean, can they even put out an event without some kind of debacle? What in the fuck?

[Luntz]

And you're an obsessed bitch ass loser. I've moved on from you, you should try it.

I guess stalking someone for months on end, reporting their every move to GM's with no consequences would make you "move on" but you don't get to pretend you aren't a dweeb ass loser with nothing better to do.

[audioserf]

Everything this company does anymore is a circus act. The question isn't if there will be drama, it's how much drama. The bait and switch cycle is getting very old. I haven't gone to a pay event yet and don't plan to. Vote with your dollars. That's the only thing you can do. If you don't like the P2W don't participate, and if you don't like the game/direction then you close your account(s).

[Methais]

I bet 99% of the people bitching here and on the officials still go to the event and plop down piles of cash like retards and then still complain after.

[Jhynnifer]

I bet 99% of the people bitching here and on the officials still go to the event and plop down piles of cash like retards and then still complain after.

I'm buying enhancive tokens from players because I have a +50 lockpick, +47disarm set I don't want to have to deal with recharging but unless they have a sig verb I go absolutely nuts for, I'm not buying any simucoin store tokens. =)

This retard isn't plopping down anything. :bleh:

[beldannon5]

I don't know what you are talking about. :( I won't be plopping any money down on this one though.

[Mogonis]

Can you look in a mirror and chant that?

[AnOrdim]

I can't remember the whole post and he hid the post in a way that I didnt get a copy of it. I basically apologized to Seleken saying it wasn't his fault that he couldnt get the simucon bag item out, they were over worked with money grab simucoin events and it was very clear that all of the game was suffering for it. Wyrom is neither capable of "managing" anyone or delivering any reasonable "product". Something like that.

He keeps getting hung up on trying to fix the tea case instead of what I was trying to tell him about the game etc. He finally gave up after I told him to go fuck himself and complained about how "Im not a forward facing employee, i dont need this".
So... really confused what the fuck his job is if he
A) complains about not being able to get anything done
B) Blames players about how much hard work it is to do anything
C) likes to dig through players accounts and use information against them
D) Has zero control over the GMs but has his hands in everything?
E) Only got into place because he rubbed the microtransaction genie lamp and figured out how to run these events
F) has GMs quiting on him and theres clearly something going on against him in the background

[Mogonis]

Again offer still stands, 3 million silvers and I'll never post here ever again forever.
https://hoaxteadresearch.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/yeah-no.jpg

[AnOrdim]

This is my favorite warning:


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Why dont you talk about the times you released that players first name on the players corner Wyrom, or shifted through all the account information to find out if that guy was telling the truth about how many items he sold?
I was going to keep this to the private email but you started messing with the posts because they hit too close to home, Wyrom, the community manager/paid shill - "I just can't do that" he says.

[Wrathbringer]

This is my favorite warning:

You play a retarded stuttering potato in game. Glad you're gone.

[AnOrdim]

I am a retarded stuttering potato.

Its okay, you can still be president!

[Wrathbringer]

I'm a huge douche!

We know. Keep posting tho.

[AnOrdim]

You and me are going to be posting buddies for the next few days!

[AnOrdim]

And Wyrom just made Aulis forums ban me for giving him shit on the other unofficial official forums.
Give em hell about the reskin, give em hell about the bullshit development, give em hell about the enhancive shit.
Never let up, if you keep giving them money and not calling them out they'll just keep doing it.

[SonoftheNorth]

And Wyrom just made Aulis forums ban me for giving him shit on the other unofficial official forums.

You got off easy. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/25275115/images/1370504478014.jpg

[SonoftheNorth]

He's a piece of shit desperate to hold onto his job. BTW, I wonder if all this money-grabbing has anything to do with the new tax bill (that's just about to pass) and Whatley's FY18 taxes.



[LNet]-GSIV:Murrandii: "Each of us is being milked to the bone, WAKE UP" (16:02:43)

[SonoftheNorth]

Odd how macgyver/hello/necro goes on the same rants on players corner as Murrandii does on lnet at the same time.

[Mogonis]

I've suspected Murrandii of being macgyver for like two months.

[Methais]

I noticed Murrandii was Necro probably a week ago over some other dumb shit on lnet.

[Mogonis]

He's used to having 300 forum usernames anyway.

[SonoftheNorth]

Oh well I'm glad he's outed. Much harder to reroll your GS character than it is start a new pc account.

[Mogonis]

He doesn't seem like the type to care though. Not like Nazagor.

[AnOrdim]

Or moganus

[Yulis]

And Wyrom just made Aulis forums ban me for giving him shit on the other unofficial official forums.
Give em hell about the reskin, give em hell about the bullshit development, give em hell about the enhancive shit.
Never let up, if you keep giving them money and not calling them out they'll just keep doing it.

Lots of folks like to be taken advantage of, makes them feel wanted. Others are too scared to speak up or do anything about it. Maybe, just maybe, if you're vocal enough you might get through to some of these folks and they'll wake the hell up.

[Wrathbringer]

And Wyrom just made Aulis forums ban me for giving him shit on the other unofficial official forums.
Give em hell about the reskin, give em hell about the bullshit development, give em hell about the enhancive shit.
Never let up, if you keep giving them money and not calling them out they'll just keep doing it.

Good. You're retarded.

[AnOrdim]

Good. You're retarded.

Hey buddy, its ok, dont be so down on yourself.

[Taernath]

Others are too scared to speak up or do anything about it.

Why? The Dark Assassin isn't a RL mechanic.

[AnOrdim]

Wrathbringer is going to track you down and shit in your pants.

They forced my accounts to close sooner and gave me a refund. I apologized to Chris in billing for having to do that unasked for.

[Wrathbringer]

They forced my accounts to close sooner and gave me a refund. I apologized to Chris in billing for having to do that unasked for.

lol everyone is tired of your bitching, apparently.

[Mogonis]

Or moganus
Good riddance. Never hurts a community when a disrespectful person leaves it.

[Mikalmas]

Thank God for the PC. I would have missed 90% of this if it had only been on the officials.

[SonoftheNorth]

They forced my accounts to close sooner and gave me a refund. I apologized to Chris in billing for having to do that unasked for.

Gonna be awkward next week when you wanna come back.

[AnOrdim]

lol everyone is tired of your bitching, apparently.

Do you want to be kid sister or my buddy?

[Parkbandit]

I never understood why Simu is so obsessed with everything being perfectly balanced in a PvE game. As long as you're not effectively god mode or so weak and shitty that nobody wants to play you like monks apparently are, why do they really give a shit?

The wizard nerfs were a prime example of this and I have little doubt that similar nerfs for more classes are coming.

I don't have a problem with game balance... it's that they always take it in a 'ZOMGNERFNOW' type of direction instead of buffing the profession that is behind.

[Jhynnifer]

They forced my accounts to close sooner and gave me a refund. I apologized to Chris in billing for having to do that unasked for.

but but but but but... my ice cream churn!

I'm really sad to see you go, little buddy.

[AnOrdim]

I am too. Honestly, I was hoping not to be called on my bluff. But now its gone to far. The only way out is through.

[Elvenlady]

I'm really sad to see you go, little buddy.

Ditto! :sniff:

[AnOrdim]

Keep up the great events Rohese! Don't let them ever get to you! You are one of the reasons I stuck around so long as I did.

[Pereus]

This may go down as one of the worst pay events they have ever produced given the dates and the prior drama. Good.

[Tsk Tsk]

Christ, do GMs ever get a break?

[Gelston]

Christ, do GMs ever get a break?

No, they can go fuck themselves. You, you can go fuck yourself too.

[Tsk Tsk]

No, they can go fuck themselves. You, you can go fuck yourself too.

You're being very VERY rude.

[Viekn]

Christ, do GMs ever get a break?

Listen, GM's do a lot of work and I'm sure they put up with a lot of crap, but they dig their own holes.

[Gelston]

Listen, GM's do a lot of work and I'm sure they put up with a lot of crap, but they dig their own holes.

I think she is saying that they are being overworked, not that you folks are being hard on them. I'd imagine the majority of the decisions made here as far as events and offerings are not their direct doing.

[AnOrdim]

Maybe we'll find out the truth

[Tsk Tsk]

Maybe we'll find out the truth

About what?

[AnOrdim]

How many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop

[Gelston]

How many licks it takes to get to the center of of a tootsie roll pop

3.

[nocturnix]

So I am just sticking my head back in the door after taking a few month break from playing.

I want to check out Summit Academy, I love customizations. I'm trying to catch up on the Enhancive Permanence drama, maybe someone can fill me in?

1. Old tokens from previous runs and events allow you to get permanence? How do you tell the diff in the tokens, if I wanted to buy one second-hand?
2. Were any tokens released this run with permanence option before they changed it, or did they change it before the event started?
3. I read some tokens are "eligable for permanence" What does that mean? They have a chance to get it, or you can use them for permanence?
4. How do the tokens work in general? You pick what you want to do? Expand charges, recharge, or permanence (if option is available)? Or you can do all three options?

+10% recharge seems really worthless, like wouldnt a full max charges be more worthy of the value? Or do the tokens themselves have multiple charges?

Couldnt find any of this on the wiki.

[AnOrdim]

Tokens are 1 use per token. No new tokens were sold that offer permification of enhacives. The change was announced right before the event opened up after people were making purchases and arrangements with the expectations (per the announcements they sent out) that the offering would be available.
It is in addition to the nerfing of fusion as a whole that a lot of people are upset.

[nocturnix]

Tokens are 1 use per token. No new tokens were sold that offer permification of enhacives. The change was announced right before the event opened up after people were making purchases and arrangements with the expectations (per the announcements they sent out) that the offering would be available.
It is in addition to the nerfing of fusion as a whole that a lot of people are upset.

So a token worth 10mil silver/$7-10 will recharge a single enhancive item 10% of its capacity? So it would cost $70-100 to fully charge a single enhancive item using these tokens. That seems really expensive. What good are these tokens for, like what are people actually finding them useful for? Maxing out enhancive charge capacity?

[AnOrdim]

people were using them for permification of crumbly enhancives, you know, something people actually want to spend money on.
The DEV team said "no more fun" and put a stop to it. Wyrom apologized for upsetting them and kowtowed to their demands.

[Methais]

I don't have a problem with game balance... it's that they always take it in a 'ZOMGNERFNOW' type of direction instead of buffing the profession that is behind.

That's what I'm getting at. Their idea of game balance is to nerf everything that works fine and is fun, so that all classes can ideally be equally tedious instead of just buffing classes who need it so that everyone is fun to play.

The fact that none of the dev teams past or present has learned anything at all from dev teams before them taking the same shitty approach and pissing more and more people off and cutting down the game population as a result is pretty amazing. Not in a good way at all, but still amazing.

[Methais]

Christ, do GMs ever get a break?

Yes, once they stop doing stupid things and implementing their shitty ideas that make the game more tedious and less fun for no real applicable reason.

[Gelston]

Why does the game need balance? Are we setting up pvp tournaments?

[Methais]

Why does the game need balance? Are we setting up pvp tournaments?

Remember when they kept nerfing all kinds of shit for no reason other than "because realism"? They never got any better at thinking.

[Archigeek]

Why does the game need balance? Are we setting up pvp tournaments?

Because it's played by humans, and they like a level playing field, or to be the one with an advantage.

[Gelston]

Because it's played by humans, and they like a level playing field, or to be the one with an advantage.

I'm a human, I don't care. GENERALIZE MUCH?

[Orthin]

I'm a human, I don't care. GENERALIZE MUCH?

I'm in same boat. For PVE which is 99% of this game I don't care too much about the balance mechanics. I can handle when anothe profession is better than mine, so long as I can still play quasi efficiently it doesn't bug me personally.

As for enhancive permanence and fusion gear, never really had either so I am not depenedent on it and does not bother me. I get that for some people at the top tier of the game mechanically it is very beneficial but to me grand scheme they are perks and not necessities. has to be annoying to sit in first class and find out one day those comped drinks aren't free any more, and I liken these things to that.

[Taernath]

Because it's played by humans, and they like a level playing field, or to be the one with an advantage.

The Game Balance Genie has been out of the bottle for decades. I don't really care if someone has +20 more AS than I do, if they have a weightless container, if they have a self-knowledge item for a circle they don't have access to, etc. We're not competing against each other in Barbie Dress-up Murder Simulator, GS is just text-based power fantasy.

[Fallen]

As was mentioned on the other boards, this does nothing to bar someone from having 100% uptime on their enhancives, permanent or otherwise. You can still purchase via simucoins in unlimited amounts long-term enhancive rechargers at roughly $2.60 per enhancive per month. So balance is not established by the availability of bounty points, simply by how much money one wants to spend.

[Methais]

Because it's played by humans, and they like a level playing field, or to be the one with an advantage.

Perhaps, but nerfing "better" classes to be more on par with the shitty classes is the opposite of how to do it, which Simu still hasn't learned after 30 years.

[Methais]

Unlimited houses for sale for 5 minutes:


The question has been asked if we could refund a SimuCoin purchase if the properties sell out before they are able to purchase one. I spoke with billing yesterday, and the answer to that question is no. While I understand the way the store is set up doesn't allow for a seamless transaction, this is how we've been selling them. We also realize they won't last more than a few seconds in the store. We recognize there is a lot of demand for them. So GM Kynlee and I had a powwow this morning and we feel we came up with a solution that will meet the demand and not leave people holding the bag.

We are going to change the sale to unlimited (the store will likely say 100 because it's set up as quantity item), but for 5 minutes. They will go on sale at precisely 9pm ET. The sale will last until 9:05pm ET. The deed that you will have delivered will have some time frames on the turnaround, but due to this sale, there may be some delays. We will communicate that once we know how many sell. This may be the last time these go on sale for a bit. We will not sell any more until all of these homes are complete.

Good luck to everyone. The only thing you need to make sure of is that you are punctual.


Wyrom, PM

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Game%20Design%20Discussions/Private%20Properties/view/110

[Taernath]

What could possibly go wrong?

[Fallen]

...shit.

[beldannon5]

Damn and I didn't win powerball on Wednesday no property for me

[beldannon5]

Guessing summit academy isn't making as much money as they need without cubes so the private properties lol

[Fallen]

Final total looks like 16 properties sold. On the ELAN front, the permanence license is sold out. The room additions sold out shortly afterwards.

[AnOrdim]

How much were properties? $ 1000?

[Tgo01]

Final total looks like 16 properties sold. On the ELAN front, the permanence license is sold out.

No wonder Simu seems oblivious to people closing their accounts left and right. There was a time when monthly subscription fees were their bread and butter, I wonder if that's true anymore.

[Taernath]

No wonder Simu seems oblivious to people closing their accounts left and right. There was a time when monthly subscription fees were their bread and butter, I wonder if that's true anymore.

Probably not. That's why whenever a longtime player says they're closing an account, Wyrom makes sure to mention GS is doing better than ever.

[Taernath]

I still think that subs are their bread and butter. A thousand accounts multplied by an average 25ish for basic and premium that's roughly $25k per month not including extras. They can do these home sales maybe once every couple of years?

There are likely more than 1000 active accounts, but there are near constant pay festivals now, plus the cash shop. At one of the last Duskruins there were multiple characters that spent what was, as far as I could tell, the entire run in the sewers.

[Pereus]

Final total looks like 16 properties sold. On the ELAN front, the permanence license is sold out. The room additions sold out shortly afterwards.

:Facepalm:

[Ltlprprincess]

:Facepalm:

Don't judge me.

[beldannon5]

I was getting dirty in the sewers a lot last august. However august runs sucked bad compared to Aprils as the price of silvers and price of books were bloody awful! If it is awful in April, I personally will be doing a lot less, Someone will be holding my silvers of course, since I love it too much

[Orthin]

Has the conspiracy theory gone out that they never intended to only sell 2 properties? That the plan was to drum up super excitement and then go this route? I feel like someone has to have thought this already but I am too lazy to look at all but the last page.

The properties are super cool and I will infinitely be jealous and if I had "fuck you" money I totally would do it. I get that some people think it is stupid but to me, whatever makes you happy.

Congrats to the new property owners!

[Gelston]

I am convinced that a large portion of the GS community is crackheads.

[Methais]

Jesus. I didn't know it got that bad. At the very least I hope people are playing responsibly.

I never thought I would be saying that last part for a computer game.

If they were playing responsibly, Simu would have already scrapped DR.

[SonoftheNorth]

who the FUCK spends 1,500$$ on literally typed up text?! I can make a cutting edge gaming machine for that kind of cash.

Most people who play gemstone IV.

[Methais]

I am convinced that a large portion of the GS community is crackheads.

https://i.imgur.com/UlAIrGc.png

[Fallen]

We'll be extending the event, but I need to wait for after Monday to make it official due to the office being closed. But we will likely be extending Summit until Friday.


Wyrom, PM

[Fallen]

Between SimuCon and previous Summit Academy, there were a total of 312 possibly still out in circulation (assuming someone didn't junk one or leave the game with one still in their SIMUCOIN DELIVER list). As of right now, 62 have been redeemed. There are over 200 SimuCon tokens alone.

While I know there would be demand in buying them directly for SimuCoins, the purchasing from other players route is going to be it in terms of Summit Academy's offerings.

The service will be moving back to being a little more rarer and/or limited again. I know the argument can be made that we've already permified thousands and thousands, what's the harm in a thousand more. We just have to move forward at this time.


Wyrom, PM

[Fallen]

No. I am trying to get the office to extend the date, but I might be the only one working today. These things are typically approved up the chain, but I'll just pull the trigger on it.

It will close December 30th. I'll throw something on the front page news and update the wiki dates in just a little bit.


Wyrom, PM

[Fortybox]

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LOL...Simu has more red tape than the DMV. If Wyrom ever gets fired or leaves he’ll at least be able to get a good job in government.

[Fallen]

Summit Academy: DATES EXTENDED!
Now be available until Saturday, December 30th!

You still have time to enjoy the Fusion Shaman that is BRAND NEW at Summit Academy. And if you still need some character-defining feats, such as the advanced customization tokens, just head on over to Thurgine Hall on the school's grounds.

Just a reminder, SimuCon Goodie Bag tokens can all be used at this Summit Academy. Don't forget to use yours before the school closes its doors for the year!

[gilchristr]

Ohhh, I get it: enjoy the fusion shaman that is brand new at Summit Academy.

Its like the wrong words were emphasized (brand new is in all caps, but turns out it "at" should have been in all caps)