a gleaming crimson eahnor lance

[dex]

Item temporarily unavailable pending private discussion.

[Goat]

Bored of it already?

[dex]

Bored of it already?

Not exactly but it's a prime opportunity for someone else to acquire it.

[Jhynnifer]

Still just want to touch it.

[Pereus]

I just cry when weapons like these come up and they are not perfect forged. No matter what it'll forever be missing that last bit that you could never get back. Tragedy. :(

Cant make perfect fusion weapons. Even after that, I believe there were only 2 3 slot fusion lances in existence to being with unless someone created one during on of those sessions.

[Pereus]

So just a heads up on this transaction. dex here who won my auction for this lance has just called his credit card company and initiated a chargeback to cancel the funds he paid for this. I am going to dispute the claim of course, but be very careful when dealing with him.

[megadeth]

Wtf?

[Helsfeld]

Time to get out the pop corn

[Daiyon]

I just cry when weapons like these come up and they are not perfect forged. No matter what it'll forever be missing that last bit that you could never get back. Tragedy. :(

Its a fusion weapon. It cant be perfect.

[Methais]

Time to get out the pop corn

How fast will dex's rep turn red? Stay tuned to find out.

[Gelston]

So just a heads up on this transaction. dex here who won my auction for this lance has just called his credit card company and initiated a chargeback to cancel the funds he paid for this. I am going to dispute the claim of course, but be very careful when dealing with him.

Neato!

[Gelston]

Interesting I guess. Buy it from you, sell it for cash, chargeback what he paid you. Free cash!

[Methais]

If only we had someone who could check IP addresses to hopefully find out who this bag of anal cavities is, like a moderator or something, at least for the merchant folder. Perhaps even specifically for the merchant folder!

[Gelston]

If only we had someone who could check IP addresses to hopefully find out who this bag of anal cavities is, like a moderator or something, at least for the merchant folder. Perhaps even specifically for the merchant folder!

Perhaps if we voted for one.

[Daiyon]

/flaming hot cheetos

[Gelston]

How fast will dex's rep turn red? Stay tuned to find out.

I just turned him red. I get prize?

[Methais]

Perhaps if we voted for one.

Yes this is a great idea. You should start a poll where we can vote on a moderator.

[Gelston]

Yes this is a great idea. You should start a poll where we can vote on a moderator.

All the options would be None and Taco if I made the poll.

[Ltlprprincess]

Can I start campaigning now for this position or...

[Gelston]

Can I start campaigning now for this position or...

You can campaign, but there probably isn't an election.

[megadeth]

Interesting I guess. Buy it from you, sell it for cash, chargeback what he paid you. Free cash!

This is exactly what I thought when dex posted about “a prime opportunity” to sell it to someone else. A prime scamportunity.

[Pereus]

Not exactly but it's a prime opportunity for someone else to acquire it.

Quoting for documentation. Already have the original post.

[Ltlprprincess]

You can campaign, but there probably isn't an election.

Why you gotta ruin my hopes and dreams? This could be the start of my political career! I could take kickbacks and bribes!

[Gelston]

Why you gotta ruin my hopes and dreams? This could be the start of my political career! I could take kickbacks and bribes!

Reported to Mueller.

[Ltlprprincess]

Reported to Mueller.

*Sadness*

[Methais]

Reported to Mueller.

Reported to Whirlin.

Someone should go tag him on the safe space forums and tell him his job duties require fulfillment.

[Merzbow]

Dex massively fails at being a criminal. He should have at least resold the lance first before doing the chargeback. Now he's stuck with a stolen lance he can basically never properly sell, instead of a pile of silvers.

[Gelston]

Dex massively fails at being a criminal. He should have at least resold the lance first before doing the chargeback. Now he's stuck with a stolen lance he can basically never properly sell, instead of a pile of silvers.

The worst part is that this weapon is effectively out of circulation forever now.

[Daiyon]

Charged back prior to selling it? SCAMFAIL

[Taernath]

Reported to Whirlin.

Someone should go tag him on the safe space forums and tell him his job duties require fulfillment.

He's not posting over there, either. I think the Curse of the Mod got him, like it did Anticor.

[Androidpk]

Whirlin still lurks here, he knows about this.

[SashaFierce]

So just a heads up on this transaction. dex here who won my auction for this lance has just called his credit card company and initiated a chargeback to cancel the funds he paid for this. I am going to dispute the claim of course, but be very careful when dealing with him.

This is the character he used to buy my lance:

You see Kupaka Stonebeard.
He appears to be a Dwarf.
He is average height. He appears to be middle-aged. He has tired dark eyes and smoothly tanned skin. He has short, grey hair. He has a weathered face and a thick mustache and beard. He has rough skin showing signs of battle scars. He has a dirt-caked rotted willow pegleg for a leg.
You can hardly recognize him covered in all that soot and ash!
He is in good shape.
He is holding a barbed golvern warlance in his right hand.
He is wearing some bright red rune-covered platemail, a dragonfire opal hatpin, a veniom spider web ring dangling a black opal spider, a black mail backpack, a fur-lined dark chestnut cloak, and a pair of sturdy boots covered with overlapping steel plates.

[Mogonis]

EDIT: Snap judgment based on one side of the story. Derp.

[dex]

I just got back home from work, and have not had the time for a proper response, but with all due respect, what's posted in this thread is basically slander. I purchased 2 very high end items from him, and had no issues WHATSOEVER with the first one, the other, there was a problem with. I contacted Pereus WEEKS ago about it, multiple times, trying to work out a return of the item, which he flat out refused. I do "appreciate" him airing the dirty laundry in such a public and accusatory manner, but I don't believe this is either objective or fair.

[Taernath]

I just got back home from work, and have not had the time for a proper response, but with all due respect, what's posted in this thread is basically slander. I purchased 2 very high end items from him, and had no issues WHATSOEVER with the first one, the other, there was a problem with. I contacted Pereus WEEKS ago about it, multiple times, trying to work out a return of the item, which he flat out refused. I do "appreciate" him airing the dirty laundry in such a public and accusatory manner, but I don't believe this is either objective or fair.

So at this point, you have the lance AND the money.

[dex]

Furthermore, I told him MANY times, 3-4 times, that I WILL DELIVER THE LANCE BACK TO HIM AT A MOMENTS NOTICE. HE REFUSED. And then accuses me of scamming? This is absurd.

[Mogonis]

He was the first to make it public, so you're the bad guy, even if there's fault on his end.

[Roblar]

FWIW, had no issue yesterday on silvers sale.

[Viekn]

Furthermore, I told him MANY times, 3-4 times, that I WILL DELIVER THE LANCE BACK TO HIM AT A MOMENTS NOTICE. HE REFUSED. And then accuses me of scamming? This is absurd.

If you want to clear the air, you and Pereus are going to have to provide a very detailed account of all the communications or attempted communications that you had back and forth.

[dex]

The guy knew for weeks that he can have the lance back at any moment, literally. He refused to take it. I backed up all my communications with him, just in case, and documented this whole process. To accuse me of scamming is beyond absurd, and to do it in this manner, is just flat low.

[BLZrizz]

I am glad to see that you responded. I initially thought the scamming accusation did not add up when you didn't charge back all the items you purchased, which is what a scammer would have done, and indicated to me that there may be more to the story.

Agree with Viekn above. Generally, the order of grievance on the PC is this: 1) address with the person; 2) apply community pressure; then 3) go with "last resort" measures like chargebacks.

[dex]

I have documented EVERYTHING about this process from day 1, and will provide the record to GMs, credit card resolution team, small claims court, whoever. I felt I was wronged by Pereus, taken advantage of, not the other way around. I tried returning the item, he refused. There are multiple people on these very forums that I've delt with - for large transactions, whom I've had no issues with whatsoever.

[Pereus]

Oh I will respond dont worry. Out with wife and kid.

[dex]

I am glad to see that you responded. I initially thought the scamming accusation did not add up when you didn't charge back all the items you purchased, which is what a scammer would have done, and indicated to me that there may be more to the story.

Agree with Viekn above. Generally, the order of grievance on the PC is this: 1) address with the person; 2) apply community pressure; then 3) go with "last resort" measures like chargebacks.

I tried my best to resolve the issue with him, to no avail. This was weeks ago. I didn't feel it was either fitting or proper to take the issue public, when it appeared to be a private matter.

[Mogonis]

I hate that eahnor is in the middle of this. Why can't it be a shitty metal, like mithglin?

[SonoftheNorth]

Sold dex silvers and I handed them over to him first before receiving paypal and he could have just not paid for them. I think this is more an issue with the lance sale than a scam.

[Androidpk]

I hate that eahnor is in the middle of this. Why can't it be a shitty metal, like mithglin?

or krodera

[Mogonis]

or krodera
https://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1375411101_take-that-back-now.jpg

[dex]

I want to be entirely clear and on the record with this, I did not end up with the lance AND the money. I've been trying to give the lance back for weeks, and this is well documented. The issue is solely Pereus's REFUSAL to take it back. Whether you agree with him, or me, at the end of the day, if the credit card resolution rules in my favor, he WILL get the lance back. He can get it back right now, if he wanted to, but he doesn't.

[BLZrizz]

This was weeks ago. I didn't feel it was either fitting or proper to take the issue public, when it appeared to be a private matter.

The PC and the GSIV community has a great collective interest in maintaining integrity of the market, as it assists players transitioning into and out of the game. Many of us have gone both ways over the years and have benefited greatly from its benevolent influence (sans politics folder). It's like a Greek Jury for the gemstone cash market.

[megadeth]

I am glad to see that you responded. I initially thought the scamming accusation did not add up when you didn't charge back all the items you purchased, which is what a scammer would have done, and indicated to me that there may be more to the story.

Agree with Viekn above. Generally, the order of grievance on the PC is this: 1) address with the person; 2) apply community pressure; then 3) go with "last resort" measures like chargebacks.

Yeah, looking back at it, it was just the lance, the plate seemed to go off without a hitch. Still weird to dump that kind of cash on items and then immediately post them up for sale. Not that it isn’t outside of the buyer’s rights to do...I’ll reserve judgment until the air is cle...shit, is that my popcorn burning?

[dex]

Summary is this, I got back into the game, just recently, after an absence of 20 years. I purchased some items, from various people. I acquired only maxed out items, nothing else. From Pereus specifically, I bought a rare 10x plate, no issues. All tested, all good. I then bought the 10x lance from him, which, upon testing (and delays in testing) turned out to be 9.5x, not 10x. I raised the issue with him, but his response was basically "too bad, so sad, you're stuck with it now".

[Mogonis]

Ugh. It's always irked me when people do that. Just list the bonus and there's no confusion.

[dex]

I attempted to sell the lance on here as a quick way to resolve this, I figured, fine, I'll take a loss of a few hundred dollars, or whatnot, if a runner up bidder steps up and takes it. Then it occurred to me, I can't list it as 10x, because then I would be assuming responsibility for misrepresenting an item. So I pulled that sale. I have been been trying to get a resolution out of Pereus ever since.

[Androidpk]

turned out to be 9.5x, not 10x


10x T5 Ensorcelled Max Light HCW (175 SP) Greater Elemental Fire Flares w/ +20 Polearm Bonus, +13 STR, +12 Cman Bonus (Defusioned)

So you wanted to return it because it wasn't really 10x yet when you listed it here you listed it as 10x...

[dex]

So you wanted to return it because it wasn't really 10x yet when you listed it here you listed it as 10x...

Precisely why I pulled the sale, after realizing I cannot list it as such, as I stated above. That description was copied off his post, btw.

[SonoftheNorth]

technically speaking +48 or whatever is 10x, its just a shitty half enchant and they should tell you so

[Gelston]

technically speaking +48 or whatever is 10x, its just a shitty half enchant and they should tell you so

Yeah, no such thing as 9.5x, enchants only go in 5. Still, people usually list that as +48 or 47 or w/etf it is. And yes, we tend to take the side of the person out the money, because, well, they are out money and don't have the product. Not to mention Pereus has been around the boards a bit and your account is fairly new. Nothing against you, it is just appearances. Hopefully everything is straightened out and a resolution is reached.

[BLZrizz]

I've observed that the tradition and practice on the PC in recent years has been for all parties to ensure they are on the same page. I've gone back to sellers days after to let them know their item was not as described and in every case they were unfailingly polite and considerate in their desire to make good on the transaction or cancel it altogether.

The original seller did advertise the item as 10x, but the fact that it was made of eahnor should have clued you in. Being away from the game for that long, I suppose it's a reasonable oversight. You do bear some responsibility for failing to exercise due diligence deserving of such a high-end transaction. That said, I've never had a seller refuse to undo a transaction if it was not EXACTLY as they described in the sale post.

[Pereus]

So here goes.

I posted a thread selling a 10x lance. There is no such thing as 9.5 as he is saying. In hindisght sure, I could have put +48 but this lance is both 10 enchants and pretty well known. So there you have the sale thread.

dex was in a bid war with a few other people who both asked questions and bid. Not once did dex ask what the actual bonus was. Mind you, it states specifically on the wiki in metals that eahnor is naturally +18 at 4x. In any case, he won with a high bid, I wont post the bid, but it was large.

A day or so passes and he wanted the song, so I tracked down Hoy who can verify this and I had him sing to it and give me the song which I then provided the lance and song back to dex. At this point I thought it was all good.

Two weeks later I get a message from dex saying that I was unclear on the enchant of the lance and it is only 9.5x. I plainly reply that it is not, it is 10x exactly as sold per the invoice and Im not going to accept a return because as I assume buyers remorse. A few messages go back and forth which he counters with +48 is not +50 and it isnt 10x and he only buys perfect gear.

Let me be clear here. I will gladly take items back if people arent happy, but I wont if 1. It takes you 2 weeks to figure that out and 2. You have some kind of buyers remorse. That honus is not on me.

So here we stand now. dex you mentioned in one of your PMs that you would "handle if your own way". Well you commited fraud and now I offer it to the court of public appeals to judge you. This is indeed a small community and we take this shit seriously. You have handled it your way now I will handle it mine.

In the end though, public opinion or not, I am filing a counter against your chargeback as I honored the terms of the invoice and your credit card company will make the decision of whether you commited fraud or not.

[Mogonis]

Wait. You'd rather go to court because of your assumption of buyer's remorse? You said there were other bidders. Just take it back and sell it to one of them.

[Pereus]

One more thing...

dex actively tried to resell the lance (in this thread) after the last PM and before the chargeback. Thus one can only conclude that a. he was trying to double his profits or b. he had second thoughts (again) about buying/selling the lance.

[SonoftheNorth]

Summary is this, I got back into the game, just recently, after an absence of 20 years.

Ehhhh

[poison_Owns]

Wait. You'd rather go to court because of your assumption of buyer's remorse? You said there were other bidders. Just take it back and sell it to one of them.

Who the hell wants some shitty +48 lance

[Pereus]

Thats what I told him to do. I informed him I would give him a list of the bidders if he wanted to sell to one of them, but after taking bids, accepting payment and transferring item, I dont think its on me to do such.

[dex]

Buyer's remorse? My only remorse is that the item isn't +50, and that I'm having to deal with this issue at all, which I'd vastly prefer not to. When I left the game, partial enchants were represented with .5, i.e. 3.5x, 9.5x, etc. A cursory search of the prior sales reveals that this is indeed still a common practice.

[Mogonis]

Did he inform you he was considering a chargeback? Sounds like a lot of hassle that could be avoided if you just took it back. Standing by your principles to drag this out and make it a whole thing.

[Taernath]

I don't think you can claim you'll accept returns and then "assume buyer's remorse" and refuse. That just sounds like some kind of ex post facto rationalization.

For what it's worth, any time I sell a partial enchant item I always list the +number instead of the enchanting tier. It prevents confusion.

[SonoftheNorth]

You should have refunded him when he said he thought it was +50 and not +48 because he just came back from a 20 year break not cuz "this lance is pretty well known"

[BLZrizz]

I recommend that you repoen dialogue with each other and work out a solution that makes both of you just mildly unhappy. This way you both maintain control over the solution rather than having it imposed by some massive, uncaring business bureaucracy whose "solutions" may impose consequences you've both failed to anticipate.

Your COAs? Partial refund to the buyer or recission of the transaction with "restocking fee" to the seller.

Both parties engaged in sub-optimal behavior. Yes there is no 9.5x in gemstone, but it has been applied in practice as a way to delineate partial enchants in this community. The community's expectation is for sellers to be more strict on their descriptions rather than being more favorable. On the other hand, if the buyer did wait two weeks to raise an issue, this lends weight to the "buyer's remorse theory."

[Mogonis]

I doubt a judge would even entertain a case. Simutronics owns the virtual property being sold for real money. To them, they probably just see money being sent and taken back.

[Gelston]

Is 2 AS points really worth all this?

[Androidpk]

Curious.. since the lance is defusioned isn't it technically +87 enchant?

[SonoftheNorth]

Too bad you didn't win/buy a sharpening spot at Rumdotter and round it out. That said if I dropped 4k on an item that wasn't what I thought it was and the response was "Haha noob shoulda done your homework" I'd be pretty heated too.

[megadeth]

I recommend that you repoen dialogue with each other and work out a solution that makes both of you just mildly unhappy. This way you both maintain control over the solution rather than having it imposed by some massive, uncaring business bureaucracy whose "solutions" may impose consequences you've both failed to anticipate.

Your COAs? Partial refund to the buyer or recission of the transaction with "restocking fee" to the seller.

Both parties engaged in sub-optimal behavior. Yes there is no 9.5x in gemstone, but it has been applied in practice as a way to delineate partial enchants in this community. The community's expectation is for sellers to be more strict on their descriptions rather than being more favorable. On the other hand, if the buyer did wait two weeks to raise an issue, this lends weight to the "buyer's remorse theory."


This.

[dex]

One more thing...

dex actively tried to resell the lance (in this thread) after the last PM and before the chargeback. Thus one can only conclude that a. he was trying to double his profits or b. he had second thoughts (again) about buying/selling the lance.

I posted why I tried to sell it above, to avoid dragging out this unpleasant situation. You keep accusing me of trying to scam you. I've dealt with multiple people on these forums, and as they can attest, I've had no issues with anyone. It's not in my nature to scam people, if anything, I always try to be helpful. Furthermore, I do quite well in life that I don't need to scam people in some video game. I've offered Flame 10k for an item, yesterday. Believe me, I do well enough in life that I have no need to scam you. You're free to believe what you will, but it's just not true. If I was in your position, I would've done two things. 1) I would have made the description of the item abundantly clear, so that no miscommunication is possible, and 2) would have accepted a refund, if there was some miscommunication. You, on the other hand, got a very nice deal, by selling a lance that ended up falling short of the buyer's expectations, so I understand your unwillingness to process a refund. But that a reflection on you, not on me.

[Mogonis]

Too bad you didn't win/buy a sharpening spot at Rumdotter and round it out. That said if I dropped 4k on an item that wasn't what I thought it was and the response was "Haha noob shoulda done your homework" I'd be pretty heated too.
Rumdotter was only working on weapons under +40.

[SonoftheNorth]

Rumdotter was only working on weapons under +40.

Ew

[Archigeek]

Why didn't you just list it as +48? I've always felt that the "there's no such thing as x.5x enchant" was a bit disingenuous, and comes off as deceptive, especially on an item that's drawing bids north of a couple of grand, and when it's no harder to type "+50" which then requires no clarification.

Also, misunderstanding does not equal fraud, on either part.

[dex]

We may have a resolution, Pereus agreed that I turn over the item in public with witnesses, in which case he will not challenge the chargeback and we'll each be on our way. I am waiting to hear confirmation from him if he can meet in FWI: Gardenia Commons - 3668. If anyone able to come there to witness, feel free.

[SonoftheNorth]

We may have a resolution, Pereus agreed that I turn over the item in public with witnesses, in which case he will not challenge the chargeback and we'll each be on our way. I am waiting to hear confirmation from him if he can meet in FWI: Gardenia Commons - 3668. If anyone able to come there to witness, feel free.

Cool, glad you guys came to a resolution.

[dex]

The lance was handed back in FWI: Gardenia Commons - 3668, at 8:15 pm EST time, Oct 31, 2017. For the record.

8852

[Androidpk]

Let's address the next scandal, that white background in your game.

[SonoftheNorth]

Let's address the next scandal, that white background in your game.

Maybe he's playin on AOL.

[Gelston]

Let's address the next scandal, that white background in your game.

Yeah, that shit is horrible. Fix it.

[Mogonis]

I'm really proud of the PC community. This may very well be the first time drama didn't last more than a day. Go us!

[Gelston]

I'm really proud of the PC community. This may very well be the first time drama didn't last more than a day. Go us!

Well, the guy involved wasn't a scummy piece of shit trying to scam someone.

[Whirlin]

The issue has been resolved between the two parties. Closing per request.