Vegas attack

[Gelston]

Well shit.

[Wrathbringer]

Well shit.

No motivation yet right?

[Gelston]

No motivation yet right?

Nothing confirmed. Supposedly, ISIS is claiming the guy converted to Islam months ago, but that doesn't mean he did.

[Gelston]

Dumbfucks, love the train of thought here.

[massacre]->Muslim?->[Yes]->Ohhh it's Terrorism, I understand now.
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Some neckbeard white guy->[Yes]->Nah, he's just nuts.

wut? They've been calling it Domestic terrorism the entire time.

[Taernath]

wut? They've been calling it Domestic terrorism the entire time.

No they haven't. Nobody has a motive yet. It's probably something stupid like divorce or losing a bunch of money on slots.


When asked by a reporter if it was an act of terrorism, Sheriff Lombardo said: “No, not at this point. We believe it was a local individual. He resides here locally.

[Gelston]

No they haven't. Nobody has a motive yet. It's probably something stupid like divorce or losing a bunch of money on slots.

I guess it depends on which they. I've seen the term quite a bit. The Undersheriff of the Vegas Sheriff's Department called it domestic terrorism as well.

[Taernath]

I guess it depends on which they. I've seen the term quite a bit. The Undersheriff of the Vegas Sheriff's Department called it domestic terrorism as well.

I've seen literally no one say that. Post a link.

[Gelston]

I've seen literally no one say that. Post a link.

https://twitter.com/MorningEdition/status/914847853721391104?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Next time I'll go ahead and just post the LMGTFY link, since it is super easy to find.

[Gelston]

No motive on the part of the killer has been discovered so far, but local police have said they didn't have prior contact with the 64-year-old Vegas resident and no sources close to the investigation have suggested ideological, religious, or terroristic motivation. Public records indicate that Paddock had a hunting license, was a pilot, and had a lawsuit against a casino years ago.

[Gelston]

The President will be speaking on it soon. Originally they said 10:30 EST, but maybe he has new information or something.

[Taernath]

https://twitter.com/MorningEdition/status/914847853721391104?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp %5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Next time I'll go ahead and just post the LMGTFY link, since it is super easy to find.

Did you read the article? The Undersheriff isn't even quoted in it. The Sheriff himself is saying it's too early to call this terrorism.

[Gelston]

Did you read the article? The Undersheriff isn't even quoted in it. The Sheriff himself is saying it's too early to call this terrorism.

Um, so? I was linking the tweet where they said the Undersheriff called it Domestic Terrorism, not the article.

It is fun that you want to delve into semantics so soon after this though.

[Gelston]

No criminal record whatsoever, not even a speeding ticket, squeaky clean. Has family on East Coast. Ex-Defense contractor. Possibly Ex-military.

Eric said that his brother was 'not an avid gunman' and 'has no military background' while speaking with CBSN, adding that he had no idea how he might have been able to obtain automatic weapons.


You're retarded Macguyver.

[Taernath]

Um, so? I was linking the tweet where they said the Undersheriff called it Domestic Terrorism, not the article.

It is fun that you want to delve into semantics so soon after this though.

You're saying people have called it terrorism. You've provided a link to an article that doesn't even make that claim. That's not semantics, that's you being retarded.

[Gelston]

Current photo:

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/yourimage-261-e1506945523361.jpg

[Gelston]

You're saying people have called it terrorism. You've provided a link to an article that doesn't even make that claim. That's not semantics, that's you being retarded.

I provided a link to a TWEET where they said the Undersheriff called it domestic terrorism. That an article was also in there has nothing to do with it. That is a person in authority who called it that. If I was linking to the article, I would have just posted the link to the article. Stop being Macguyverisc.

[Ardwen]

No military history, had an Alaskan hunting license and a pilots license, lived in a retirement community and frequented casinos for shows and gambling for years. Apparently had settled a lawsuit settlement with a casino several years ago. Had 10 or more rifles with him in his room

[Ardwen]

Someone kills dozens and wounds hundreds its terrorism, may have no relation to anything but it is still terrorism.

[Gelston]

So far it seems to be conflicting information. Most sources say the police found him dead, but some are saying police killed him. Mainstream seems to say he killed himself.

[SonoftheNorth]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html


Not sure if this is real or not.

[Ardwen]

Thats fake from a none hack news source

[Ardwen]

ISIS claims everything that happens no matter how unlikely

[Gelston]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html


Not sure if this is real or not.

Yeah, supposedly ISIS sources have claimed he converted months ago and that they are behind the attack. I saw a thing saying he was an ANTIFA member too. We won't know any of this for a while.

[SonoftheNorth]

Well you don't have to be a member of ISIS to be a nutjob. Automatic weapons are not easy to get though

[Ardwen]

The Antifa thing was posted on one of the known fake twitter handles... from Melbourne, of course it was Melbourne Australia

[Gelston]

Well you don't have to be a member of ISIS to be a nutjob. Automatic weapons are not easy to get though

I've seen a lot of things talking about how they aren't illegal in the state of Nevada, but... I mean, the hardest part about legally getting one is usually the Federal Government. They guy appears to not have been poor though, hell, they may have been legally acquired. If you have enough money and a clean record, you can get them.

[Ardwen]

depending on the weapons involved anyone with basic mechanical aptitude, access to youtube and a normal hom shop can make them automatic

[SonoftheNorth]

I've seen a lot of things talking about how they aren't illegal in the state of Nevada, but... I mean, the hardest part about legally getting one is usually the Federal Government. They guy appears to not have been poor though, hell, they may have been legally acquired. If you have enough money and a clean record, you can get them.

Most nutjobs aren't willing to pay 20,000 dollars for an m16 and wait a year for a class III permit when you can get almost the same effect with a semi automatic.

[Ardwen]

fully automatic weapons are illegal in every state, unless owned before like 1969, and those videos are not semi automatic firings they are fully automatic, there are dozens of ranges around Vegas that have heavy military weapons you can use on range though, remember the little girl that shot the owner at one when she lost control a few years back.

[SonoftheNorth]

1986

[Ardwen]

there ya go, I suppose he could have owned then for 31 years, and just snapped last night

[Gelston]

fully automatic weapons are illegal in every state, unless owned before like 1969, and those videos are not semi automatic firings they are fully automatic, there are dozens of ranges around Vegas that have heavy military weapons you can use on range though, remember the little girl that shot the owner at one when she lost control a few years back.

Nope. There is no law in Nevada that makes Fully Automatic weapons illegal. The Federal Government is generally the barrier to entry in most states. If you have the Federal license, you can own a Fully Automatic weapon in Nevada, and in most states.

I DOUBT his are legal, but it is possible.

[SonoftheNorth]

Yeah it's pretty much easier to get illegal automatic weapons than legal ones.

[Taernath]

There are modifications you can make to a semi-auto that produce an effect similar to automatic firing, but not being legally defined as a true automatic.

[Gelston]

There are modifications you can make to a semi-auto that produce an effect similar to automatic firing, but not being legally defined as a true automatic.

I've seen bumpfire and stuff. These were a little fast for that. I think they were legit full autos, but we'll find out in the days and weeks to come.

[Destrier]

Someone kills dozens and wounds hundreds its terrorism, may have no relation to anything but it is still terrorism.

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Sorry, sometimes it is just called murder.

[Gelston]

The FBI just said they haven't seen any connection to any international groups.

[Androidpk]

Shooter Stephen Paddock had purchased multiple firearms in the past — he bought several in California, a law enforcement official told CNN. But those don't appear to be among the 10 or more found in the Mandalay Bay hotel room.
So far, investigators believe the firearms were purchased legally.
The suspicion, based on initial reports, is that any of the rifles used were altered in order to function as an automatic weapon, the official said. Among the weapons found so far are a .223 caliber and a .308 caliber.

[Ardwen]

Seems like terrorism to me. and to the law.

By Las Vegas law, however, the mass shooting certainly falls under the definition of terrorism. As The Independent reports, the state's statute reads: "[An] act of terrorism means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to cause great bodily harm or death to the general population."

[Ardwen]

knife wielding attackers in china regularly kill large numbers of people.

[Gelston]

Chinese people just take it though, their government makes them as pacified and effeminate as possible for control purposes. You try stabbing someone out here in Louisiana, they'll need the dental records to ID you.

This is how I know you aren't from Louisiana.

You'd probably stab the person you meant to stab, steal their shit, and escape before the cops show up 5 hours later.

[Tisket]

News organizations have posted details and pictures of the shooter's girlfriend. That just seems fucked up to me. She was out of the country at the time and has been cleared of involvement but now she will forever be associated with a mass killer.

[Gelston]

News organizations have posted details and pictures of the shooter's girlfriend. That just seems fucked up to me. She was out of the country at the time and has been cleared of involvement but now she will forever be associated with a mass killer.

It looks like they are starting to blur her out in a lot of pictures.

[Tisket]

It looks like they are starting to blur her out in a lot of pictures.

Damage done. She's already fucked.

[Gelston]

According to reports, some of the weapons were AR-15s he converted to fire full auto.

[Methais]

This is how I know you aren't from Louisiana.

You'd probably stab the person you meant to stab, steal their shit, and escape before the cops show up 5 hours later.

Macguyver has such a raging boner for me he wants to be me. Probably so when he masturbates he can pretend he's touching my extraordinarily large meat pole.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/mGOmibu.png

http://replygif.net/i/114.gif

And
CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Music Fans Often Are Republican’ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social)

[Taernath]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/05/0514b6610f26edda9c24c8a5feb570dbce0d7893f5f5b1bd7f b513de744bcb78.jpg

[Methais]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/05/0514b6610f26edda9c24c8a5feb570dbce0d7893f5f5b1bd7f b513de744bcb78.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/hk1WqvOLMwjeM/giphy.gif

[Gelston]

I wonder if him having a suppressor might have actually saved lives.

[Methais]

Hillary's mouth having one would.

[Androidpk]

Pretty pathetic how people have to automatically jump into the right vs left in a situation like this.

[Methais]

Pretty pathetic how people have to automatically jump into the right vs left in a situation like this.

Yes I agree that Hillary should shut the fuck up.

[Wrathbringer]

Yes I agree that Hillary should shut the fuck up.

This is correct.

[Androidpk]

CBS fired that VP.

[Wrathbringer]

No one is talking about it but it's even more horrific that these people were first subjected to country music before being shot.

[Candor]

Absolutely horrific.

I hope someone sets up a fund for the victim's families.

[Gelston]

Two of his rifles

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22221910_1737856439849525_2083516358562646827_n.jp g?oh=fc88740b9c3c3334e6e487c1aa9a8a02&oe=5A3E24DF

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22141158_1737860409849128_951900531380272149_n.jpg ?oh=70380e94c18b9c422d7a8930d30c25b5&oe=5A81C912

And a picture of him dead. You'll need to click the link to see it.

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22195370_1737844983184004_6886009581954159838_n.jp g?oh=8ac2d8cba90da531ed7f541fc9e6efe9&oe=5A3A8781

[Taernath]

So I guess he was using bumpfire stuff. I was always surprised those things weren't illegal, as they seem to violate the spirit of the law if not the letter.

[Gelston]

So I guess he was using bumpfire stuff. I was always surprised those things weren't illegal, as they seem to violate the spirit of the law if not the letter.

Yeah, never realized Bumpfire fired that damn fast.


https://youtu.be/3gWrthH2OK4

[Kronius]

So I guess he was using bumpfire stuff. I was always surprised those things weren't illegal, as they seem to violate the spirit of the law if not the letter.

Yup, when I heard the reports of him having a machine gun I immediately thought, "Well, someone finally used one of the bumpfire stocks to light people up.". Seemed inevitable, unfortunately. Not sure if it's a case of the laws not moving quick enough to keep up with technology or what, but I know these have been on the ATFs radar for quite some time.

[Taernath]

Yup, when I heard the reports of him having a machine gun I immediately thought, "Well, someone finally used one of the bumpfire stocks to light people up.". Seemed inevitable, unfortunately. Not sure if it's a case of the laws not moving quick enough to keep up with technology or what, but I know these have been on the ATFs radar for quite some time.

Probably a combination of an extremely specific definition for "automatic" and lobbying. It'll be interesting to see what the fallout from this will be, if any.

[RichardCranium]

This is how I know you aren't from Louisiana.

You'd probably stab the person you meant to stab, steal their shit, and escape before the cops show up 5 hours later.

Having spent the entirety of my life in the shittiest parish in Louisiana, I can verify this.

[Methais]

Having spent the entirety of my life in the shittiest parish in Louisiana, I can verify this.

I was gonna ask if it's Livingston Parish but then I saw it was you and didn't need to ask anymore. :(

[Gelston]

Apparently there are multiple videos he set up of the massacre. Doubt they'll be released, officially.

[Androidpk]

How did that picture of his body get released? Doesn't seem like something authorities would do.

[Gelston]

How did that picture of his body get released? Doesn't seem like something authorities would do.

It wasn't released.

[Archigeek]

Probably a combination of an extremely specific definition for "automatic" and lobbying. It'll be interesting to see what the fallout from this will be, if any.

We might actually have some gun control laws get passed: equating bumpfire with automatic. After watching that video, I can't see why it wouldn't qualify, from an end result point of view. Beyond that, I don't think there's a level of carnage in this country that would trigger more gun control. Not for another generation at least.

[Gelston]

We might actually have some gun control laws get passed: equating bumpfire with automatic. After watching that video, I can't see why it wouldn't qualify, from an end result point of view. Beyond that, I don't think there's a level of carnage in this country that would trigger more gun control. Not for another generation at least.

I think we'll see state laws banning Bumpfire before we see the Federal Government do it. It isn't a super difficult device to create. You could 3d print one, I'd imagine.

[SonoftheNorth]

You can bumpfire without the stock.

[SonoftheNorth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BufmVHJqnac

[Gelston]

You can bumpfire without the stock.

You can't do it accurately. There is a reason they call "shooting from the hip" a bad thing.

[Archigeek]

I think we'll see state laws banning Bumpfire before we see the Federal Government do it. It isn't a super difficult device to create. You could 3d print one, I'd imagine.

Agreed on all counts.

[Gelston]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22196305_885601768256253_7532473020845601473_n.jpg ?oh=80bd55f4002cc4af6f592eb2f452c0dd&oe=5A4199E6

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22281536_885601688256261_5963672274580303628_n.jpg ?oh=0e1de2a37c00676b8cbb14ea88b300a5&oe=5A7C6B67

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22090120_885601698256260_1196278538386420517_n.jpg ?oh=dc670f809aac65a6ca7331b060346bb0&oe=5A787B98

[Methais]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22196305_885601768256253_7532473020845601473_n.jpg ?oh=80bd55f4002cc4af6f592eb2f452c0dd&oe=5A4199E6

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22281536_885601688256261_5963672274580303628_n.jpg ?oh=0e1de2a37c00676b8cbb14ea88b300a5&oe=5A7C6B67

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22090120_885601698256260_1196278538386420517_n.jpg ?oh=dc670f809aac65a6ca7331b060346bb0&oe=5A787B98

I can't tell if that's a real picture with some weird filter on it or if it's a screenshot from some game.

[Gelston]

I can't tell if that's a real picture with some weird filter on it or if it's a screenshot from some game.

It is a shitty phone camera. None of the pictures I've posted were authorized for release.

If you mean the carpet, they just have weird carpet in hotels in Vegas.

[SonoftheNorth]

Only person in history to get a surefire 60 round magazine to work.

[Methais]

It is a shitty phone camera. None of the pictures I've posted were authorized for release.

If you mean the carpet, they just have weird carpet in hotels in Vegas.

Who knew that a phone camera could make real life look like an early PS3 game? Not me.

Wait that's a carpet? It looks like an old wood floor that's in really bad shape.

What else can this camera do?

[Gelston]

Who knew that a phone camera could make real life look like an early PS3 game? Not me.

Wait that's a carpet? It looks like an old wood floor that's in really bad shape.

What else can this camera do?

Well, I mean, it is low pixels and bad light so...

[Methais]

Well, I mean, it is low pixels and bad light so...

I'M JUST MAKING OBSERVATIONS!!!!1

This is seriously fucking with my head. :(

[SonoftheNorth]

Who knew that a phone camera could make real life look like an early PS3 game? Not me.

Wait that's a carpet? It looks like an old wood floor that's in really bad shape.

What else can this camera do?

It looks like someone put a filter on them or lowered the image quality because I saw them earlier and they were way better quality.

[Gelston]

It looks like someone put a filter on them or lowered the image quality because I saw them earlier and they were way better quality.

Or you saw a different set of pictures.

[SonoftheNorth]

Or you saw a different set of pictures.

8833

[SonoftheNorth]

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[SonoftheNorth]

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[SonoftheNorth]

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[Gelston]

Those pictures look exactly the same.

[Androidpk]

https://i.imgur.com/mGOmibu.png



Seeing as the shooter had no criminal record he could have easily gotten a silencer if he wanted one. This statement is just idiotic.

[Taernath]

Seeing as the shooter had no criminal record he could have easily gotten a silencer if he wanted one. This statement is just idiotic.

I think his point was that silencers/suppressors aren't anything like what the media portrays them as.

[Gelston]

A suppressor likely would have made his weapons less deadly, especially at the range he was firing from.

[SonoftheNorth]

how much you wanna bet this room is going to be a tourist attraction in the future "..and people who've slept in it could smell gunpowder and hear gun fire at night.."

I was about to post that you're an idiot and weird, then I realized you're macgyver.

[Parkbandit]

I think his point was that silencers/suppressors aren't anything like what the media portrays them as.

Um.. they wouldn't be called "SILENCERS" if they were loud.

DUH

[Ososis]

Any numbers on how many people were shot vs trampled?

[Androidpk]

A suppressor likely would have made his weapons less deadly, especially at the range he was firing from.

Do they reduce bullet velocity that much?

[drauz]

Do they reduce bullet velocity that much?

No, they do not.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/05/foghorn/ask-foghorn-does-a-silencer-effect-the-velocity-of-the-bullet/

[Gelston]

No, they do not.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/05/foghorn/ask-foghorn-does-a-silencer-effect-the-velocity-of-the-bullet/

From 1200 yards? You better believe it.

[drauz]

From 1200 yards? You better believe it.

He was 3-400 yards away though.. But yes the further the target the more noticeable it is. In this case a suppressor would have likely just muffled the noise more and let him get more shots off before it was noticed on a massive scale.

[Gelston]

He was 3-400 yards away though.. But yes the further the target the more noticeable it is. In this case a suppressor would have likely just muffled the noise more and let him get more shots off before it was noticed on a massive scale.

Stage was 4-500 yards and the crowd was beyond it from his angle. I thought I saw 1200 yards somewhere, but I guess not. Either way, I had heard the way to police found the room so fast was because a smoke alarm went off, so even if he had a mythical hollywood silencer, they still would have found him.

[Tgo01]

It's amazing to me that people are pushing the narrative that had this guy had a silencer no one would have known what was going on.

Even if silencers somehow made guns, you know, silent, the idea that people are dropping left and right and people would just stand there dumbfounded like "Gee, what's going on? What do we do?"

Guns are louder than jet engines at take off (the standard "really fucking loud" sound listed for reference when discussing decibel levels.) Do these people really think a relatively small piece of metal is going to completely muffle this much sound?

[Gelston]

It's amazing to me that people are pushing the narrative that had this guy had a silencer no one would have known what was going on.

Even if silencers somehow made guns, you know, silent, the idea that people are dropping left and right and people would just stand there dumbfounded like "Gee, what's going on? What do we do?"

Guns are louder than jet engines at take off (the standard "really fucking loud" sound listed for reference when discussing decibel levels.) Do these people really think a relatively small piece of metal is going to completely muffle this much sound?

To actually be silent, you'd need to be firing at a subsonic velocity. The sound of a bullet breaking the sound barrier is just as loud as the weapon firing. That along cuts down on distance heavily.

A suppressor in practical use, however, just makes it a bit more quieter for the shooter. The Marine Corps is actually equiping an entire infantry battalion with them. Cuts down on the need to use ear plugs and improves communication.

[drauz]

It's amazing to me that people are pushing the narrative that had this guy had a silencer no one would have known what was going on.

Even if silencers somehow made guns, you know, silent, the idea that people are dropping left and right and people would just stand there dumbfounded like "Gee, what's going on? What do we do?"

Guns are louder than jet engines at take off (the standard "really fucking loud" sound listed for reference when discussing decibel levels.) Do these people really think a relatively small piece of metal is going to completely muffle this much sound?

Seconds matter in this type of situation I would assume, so 30 seconds or a minute is a big deal.

[Androidpk]

The hysteria over silencers worked because Paul Ryan pulled it from consideration.

[Androidpk]

Good read for if you ever found yourself in an active shooter situation - https://jesterscourt.cc/2015/12/19/guest-post-surviving-an-active-shooter-by-fmr-seal-team-6-operator-rob-oneill/

[drauz]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22196305_885601768256253_7532473020845601473_n.jpg ?oh=80bd55f4002cc4af6f592eb2f452c0dd&oe=5A4199E6

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22281536_885601688256261_5963672274580303628_n.jpg ?oh=0e1de2a37c00676b8cbb14ea88b300a5&oe=5A7C6B67

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22090120_885601698256260_1196278538386420517_n.jpg ?oh=dc670f809aac65a6ca7331b060346bb0&oe=5A787B98

Vegas officials stated that these are indeed real photos of the crime scene and assailant.

[Fortybox]

Seeing as the shooter had no criminal record he could have easily gotten a silencer if he wanted one. This statement is just idiotic.

She needs to go away.