NFL players kneeling during National Anthem

[Tisket]

I'm afraid drauz is going to pay my visitor's page another visit so I'm out. Going to watch TV.

[drauz]

I've already lost interest in this debate but, let me ask you a question. You've posited that blacks are more prone to commit crimes (at least, that's what I think you are saying by posting crime statistics.) Why do you suppose that is? Do you believe it's genetic? Economic? You obviously don't believe it's the white man's fault so what do you think the underlying cause is? I'm genuinely curious.

The rise of single mothers.

[drauz]

I don't entirely understand the question but I can say that I don't know the answer. Why do you ask?

I ask because men are over represented in arrests and jailing. Does that mean the justice system is sexist?

[Tisket]

I ask because men are over represented in arrests and jailing. Does that mean the justice system is sexist?

I blame testosterone.

[drauz]

OK OK we get it! You don't like black people jesus move on.

I don't like...

https://i.imgur.com/y9HNR9C.gif

[drauz]

I blame testosterone.

But is the justice system sexist because men are over represented?

[Tisket]

The rise of single mothers.

So your answer is economic then?

[Tisket]

But is the justice system sexist because men are over represented?

No. I think women are smarter than men and more likely to get away with criminal acts.

[Gelston]

No. I think women are smarter than men and more likely to get away with criminal acts.

Sexist.

[Tisket]

Sexist.

Guilty as charged.

[Gelston]

Guilty as charged.

reported

[Androidpk]

Tisket using Gelston's avatar makes things confusing sometimes.

[drauz]

So your answer is economic then?

In part. Its a much bigger response but you seem disinterested in the discussion so I won't go into detail. A shorter version would be how our welfare system is setup.

[Tisket]

In part. Its a much bigger response but you seem disinterested in the discussion so I won't go into detail. A shorter version would be how our welfare system is setup.

Not disinterested, just quite secure in my views. And I'm lazy and not feeling particularly combative.

[Tisket]

Tisket using Gelston's avatar makes things confusing sometimes.

It confuses me too.

[drauz]

Not disinterested, just quite secure in my views. And I'm lazy and not feeling particularly combative.

Ben Shapiro sums up my position better than I probably can, though I think its more about single motherhood than "culture".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfGciFH7BuI

[subzero]

I don't believe that most police are more likely to shoot blacks simply because of their skin color however, cops pull over blacks at far greater frequency than whites so that alone increases a black person's risk of police violence.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=702

Everyone knows the blacks love the ganja! Legal weed -> less blacks being pulled over -> racial equality in traffic stops -> less innocent(!) black people facing police brutality


You've posited that blacks are more prone to commit crimes (at least, that's what I think you are saying by posting crime statistics.) Why do you suppose that is? Do you believe it's genetic? Economic? You obviously don't believe it's the white man's fault so what do you think the underlying cause is? I'm genuinely curious.

The idea that they commit more crime because the white man is keeping them down and/or they're poor is garbage. Being poor isn't an excuse for committing crimes. There are a lot of people that are poor that aren't out there shooting or assaulting people or otherwise committing crimes. This isn't based on race. If a group of people are more criminally active than others it's not because they're poor. It's because that's how they've chosen to deal with things.


I blame Skittles. There just isn't enough difference in the colors/flavors. /rage

Fuck off with your hippie bullshit! Mix a few together and you'll get some new colors.

[Tisket]

Everyone knows the blacks love the ganja! Legal weed -> less blacks being pulled over -> racial equality in traffic stops -> less innocent(!) black people facing police brutality



The idea that they commit more crime because the white man is keeping them down and/or they're poor is garbage. Being poor isn't an excuse for committing crimes. There are a lot of people that are poor that aren't out there shooting or assaulting people or otherwise committing crimes. This isn't based on race. If a group of people are more criminally active than others it's not because they're poor. It's because that's how they've chosen to deal with things.



Fuck off with your hippie bullshit! Mix a few together and you'll get some new colors.

Once again with the sweeping generalizations. Anyway, let me ask you too...why do you suppose the black crime rate is so high? Because all I'm seeing is people implying that there is nothing that could possibly point to racism as an underlying cause. What I am seeing however, is a lot of outrage at the simple assertion that perhaps there is some inequity at work in our society that is contributing to black crime statistics.

[drauz]

Once again with the sweeping generalizations. Anyway, let me ask you too...why do you suppose the black crime rate is so high? Because all I'm seeing is people implying that there is nothing that could possibly point to racism as an underlying cause. What I am seeing however, is a lot of outrage at the simple assertion that perhaps there is some inequity at work in our society that is contributing to black crime statistics.

You are pointing towards racism without backing it up. Back it up and you might get less "outrage". I could assert it's because they have higher thetan levels, just so long as I don't have to back it up. That doesn't mean it's true.

Sure it's possible it's racism but I've pointed to another reason that I can backup. Can you? I've actually thought about this a lot with it being the hot button issue for the last two years. I'm not just pulling reasons out of my ass.

[Tgo01]

What I am seeing however, is a lot of outrage at the simple assertion that perhaps there is some inequity at work in our society that is contributing to black crime statistics.

It's possible, I wouldn't mind seeing some specifics though.

I would love to see the government do a better job at helping poorer communities; better schooling, better job opportunities, tackling gang problems.

The trouble is these don't get people reelected as well as claiming your opponent hates you because you're black.

[drauz]

It's possible, I wouldn't mind seeing some specifics though.

I would love to see the government do a better job at helping poorer communities; better schooling, better job opportunities, tackling gang problems.

The trouble is these don't get people reelected as well as claiming your opponent hates you because you're black.

30 years of electing Democrats hasn't worked (and actually made the communities worse) but lets try 30 more!

[Tisket]

You are pointing towards racism without backing it up. Back it up and you might get less "outrage". I could assert it's because they have higher thetan levels, just so long as I don't have to back it up. That doesn't mean it's true.

Sure it's possible it's racism but I've pointed to another reason that I can backup. Can you? I've actually thought about this a lot with it being the hot button issue for the last two years. I'm not just pulling reasons out of my ass.

I could supply studies, articles, books, and testimony that endemic racism is alive and well in the U.S. but that's not going to change your mind. Nothing will. Any effort to alleviate your ignorance would be futile because your mind is already made up.

Besides, I'm under no obligation to change your mind, as you have no obligation to change mine. I'm comfortable with that status quo.

I think many whites suffer from a kind of weariness of always feeling wrong-footed when it comes to race issues so I cannot fault anyone for wanting to blame things like poverty, or family values, etc. for the disparities we see between the races. It's just unfortunate that we want to blame anything but race as the root problem

[Tisket]

30 years of electing Democrats hasn't worked (and actually made the communities worse) but lets try 30 more!

Let's not get carried away...

[Tisket]

It's possible, I wouldn't mind seeing some specifics though.

I would love to see the government do a better job at helping poorer communities; better schooling, better job opportunities, tackling gang problems.

The trouble is these don't get people reelected as well as claiming your opponent hates you because you're black.

I couldn't agree more.

[subzero]

Once again with the sweeping generalizations. Anyway, let me ask you too...why do you suppose the black crime rate is so high? Because all I'm seeing is people implying that there is nothing that could possibly point to racism as an underlying cause. What I am seeing however, is a lot of outrage at the simple assertion that perhaps there is some inequity at work in our society that is contributing to black crime statistics.

I'm not outraged about anything. As far as why black crime rate is high... maybe it's because they've chosen to commit crimes? Being black doesn't make one commit a crime nor does being poor. A person's action determines that. If you're asking me to identify why they choose to commit these crimes, I can't answer that. I'd say there are likely a lot of things that factor in to it. Maybe there is a cultural, sort of "Fuck the police/white man", mentality at play. Maybe not.

I don't think we can simply blame it on economics or racism, though. Again, there are a fuckload of poor people from all ethnicities. Do you really believe that there are an equal number of people from each race committing crimes and racist cops (cause all police are white and have white leaders, right?) are so prevalent that they're able to simply choose to arrest black people at a much higher rate than the others? Shit, maybe I ought to start looting things and whatnot. I guess the cops will just ignore me because I'm white?

Here's a little story, perhaps not totally relevant, but interesting nonetheless. The place my grandfather worked was sort of near 'the hood'. He had a black co-worker who lived literally less than two blocks away from work, but he always got a ride from my grandfather to and from work. My grandfather was curious why someone who lived so close always wanted a ride to and from work, so he told the guy he didn't mind, but that he wondered why this was. The answer? "Those niggers will rob or kill me".

It's not always about race. Some people are just fucking low-life assholes that will commit whatever crime they want on whoever they feel they can do it to.

[Tisket]

While I don't agree with all your points, that's a good post, sub.

[Tisket]

I'm going to bed. You bastards have worn me out.

[drauz]

I could supply studies, articles, books, and testimony that endemic racism is alive and well in the U.S. but that's not going to change your mind. Nothing will. Any effort to alleviate your ignorance would be futile because your mind is already made up.

Besides, I'm under no obligation to change your mind, as you have no obligation to change mine. I'm comfortable with that status quo.

I think many whites suffer from a kind of weariness of always feeling wrong-footed when it comes to race issues so I cannot fault anyone for wanting to blame things like poverty, or family values, etc. for the disparities we see between the races. It's just unfortunate that we want to blame anything but race as the root problem

I don't think racism isn't real. I just don't think it's the root problem anymore. What we are seeing could be the remnants of racism, but I don't think the country as a whole has racist laws or treat black people worse.

It's unfortunate that you blame race and nothing else as the main problem.

[Methais]

I blame Skittles. There just isn't enough difference in the colors/flavors. /rage

Protip: If you eat Skittles and M&Ms at the same time it will change your life.

[Tisket]

I don't think racism isn't real. I just don't think it's the root problem anymore. What we are seeing could be the remnants of racism, but I don't think the country as a whole has racist laws or treat black people worse.

It's unfortunate that you blame race and nothing else as the main problem.

Oh there are all sorts of things wrong in our country but I thought we were discussing race in this particular discussion. If you want to downplay and dismiss the problem that's okay. I won't deny your right to denial!

[Tisket]

https://i.imgflip.com/1xh73u.jpg

Oh do shut up. It's not racist to question assumptions.

[Androidpk]

Trump sits, talks through song lowering the flag at military base amid NFL anthem controversy

President Trump sat and talked through the nightly playing of "Retreat" as the American flag was lowered on a Pennsylvania Air National Guard base during his interview with Sean Hannity.
Trump, who has been criticizing NFL players (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-nfl-should-not-be-getting-tax-breaks-when-players-kneel-during-anthem/article/2637003) who kneel through the national anthem (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-nfl-players-who-disrespect-american-flag-should-be-fired/article/2635365) to protest racism, seemed caught off-guard by loudspeakers playing "Retreat." The song is played every night at military bases to signal the American flag being lowered and the end of the official duty day.

Military site Task and Purpose (http://taskandpurpose.com/president-trump-no-idea-evening-colors-started/) was the first to notice Trump sitting during the song. According to Task and Purpose, uniformed service members are required to stop what they're doing and salute the flag as its lowered during the song while civilians are required to place their hand over their heart.


Trump not only does not stand or place his hand over his heart, but instead talks through the song and assumes it's being played to honor him or Hannity.
People watching the rally can be seen standing for the song in the background of Trump's interview but Trump seems to not know what the song means.
"Are they playing that for you or for me?" Trump joked to Hannity.

[drauz]

Oh there are all sorts of things wrong in our country but I thought we were discussing race in this particular discussion. If you want to downplay and dismiss the problem that's okay. I won't deny your right to denial!

Oh there are all sorts of things wrong in our country but I thought we were discussing race in this particular discussion. If you want to up play and exasperate the problem that's okay. I won't deny your right to incitement!

[Tisket]

exasperate the problem

Exacerbate.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/album.php?albumid=105&attachmentid=8758

[drauz]

Exacerbate.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/album.php?albumid=105&attachmentid=8758

https://i.imgur.com/6WlfLWJ.gif

[Fortybox]

Protip: If you eat Skittles and M&Ms at the same time it will change your life.

Like in a diarrhea kind of way?

https://media.giphy.com/media/AqaV1KKtVtRrq/giphy.gif

[Methais]

Like in a diarrhea kind of way?

https://media.giphy.com/media/AqaV1KKtVtRrq/giphy.gif

You'll have to eat it to find out what's in it! -Nancy Pelosi, 2017 Skittles Summit

[Androidpk]

(Reuters) - The NFL said on Friday it has no plans to mandate players stand for the U.S. national anthem, but will rather present a possible solution on how to end the controversial protests when it meets with team owners next week.

Commissioner Roger Goodell, along with the head of the NFL Players Association, will meet with the owners from Oct. 17-18 in New York where the issue of player protests during the U.S. national anthem is expected to command much attention.



“(Goodell) has a plan that he is going to present to owners about how to use our platform to both raise awareness and make progress on issues of social justice and equality in this country,” NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said on a conference call.

[subzero]

(Reuters) - The NFL said on Friday it has no plans to mandate players stand for the U.S. national anthem, but will rather present a possible solution on how to end the controversial protests when it meets with team owners next week.

Commissioner Roger Goodell, along with the head of the NFL Players Association, will meet with the owners from Oct. 17-18 in New York where the issue of player protests during the U.S. national anthem is expected to command much attention.



“(Goodell) has a plan that he is going to present to owners about how to use our platform to both raise awareness and make progress on issues of social justice and equality in this country,” NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said on a conference call.

Thanks for the old news 'update'.

[Latrinsorm]

Where is the evidence?In the link I just linked.
Is there also institutional sexism?Yes, many kinds.
So what do you believe? If more crimes are committed by black people it is no fault of the police that the offender happens to be black.More black people arrested does not mean more black people commit crimes. Not all people who commit crimes are arrested, not all people who are arrested commit crimes. Remember that in Illinois the advent of DNA evidence proved that half the Death Row were innocent. Not "not guilty", absolutely innocent. On Death Row! With a million appeals and all the public/institutional attention you could ask for, it was (at best!) a 50/50 shot. Now imagine how inapt 'I caught this guy grabbing someone's purse' would be, how easily conscious and unconscious racism (or any other -ism) could bleed into proceedings with so little oversight.
Because if we look at the specifics of each case the whole narrative falls apart. We have to keep things as vague as possible and if you want to discuss details then you're racist.Okay, let's see your database.
I don't think we can simply blame it on economics or racism, though. Again, there are a fuckload of poor people from all ethnicities. Do you really believe that there are an equal number of people from each race committing crimes and racist cops (cause all police are white and have white leaders, right?) are so prevalent that they're able to simply choose to arrest black people at a much higher rate than the others? Shit, maybe I ought to start looting things and whatnot. I guess the cops will just ignore me because I'm white?The link I linked shows that black people are disproportionately killed regardless of household income level. Happy to help.

[Methais]

I just want universal surveillance. Even for when I go poopies all by myself.

.

[Candor]

Thanks for the old news 'update'.

So in other words, the libbies in the NFL are going to try some sort of social bribe to stop players from kneeling. Wimps.

Perhaps when that doesn't work and television audiences/game attendance continue to decline, the NFL will find a backbone.

[subzero]

The link I linked shows that black people are disproportionately killed regardless of household income level. Happy to help.

And does your link also tell you the race the person responsible for killing each of these disproportionately killed black folks? I'm too lazy to check, watching the Stillers try to knock off the last 0 in the NFL loss columns, so since you're being helpful I'll let you help some more.

[Latrinsorm]

So in other words, the libbies in the NFLLet me stop you here so we can all have a big laugh.
Perhaps when that doesn't work and television audiences/game attendance continue to decline, the NFL will find a backbone.The NFL's audience hasn't grown since 2011. What goes up must come down, nobody stays #1 forever. It happened to horse racing, it happened to boxing, it happened to baseball, it's happening to football, it will happen to whatever comes next. Everyone finds a reason that suits their preconceived notions after the fact, but that tells you more about them than it does the sport.

[Latrinsorm]

And does your link also tell you the race the person responsible for killing each of these disproportionately killed black folks? I'm too lazy to check, watching the Stillers try to knock off the last 0 in the NFL loss columns, so since you're being helpful I'll let you help some more.For obvious reasons no identifying features of the specific police involved are listed.

[subzero]

So in other words, the libbies in the NFL are going to try some sort of social bribe to stop players from kneeling. Wimps.

Perhaps when that doesn't work and television audiences/game attendance continue to decline, the NFL will find a backbone.

I imagine they'll probably give them some face-time to spread love and positivity at half-time.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3RBHAP2Rs2H16/giphy.gif

After looking through the gifs, they should just hire The New Day.

[subzero]

For obvious reasons no identifying features of the specific police involved are listed.

Oh. Well. How does this apply to racism if we don't know who was shooting who?

[Androidpk]

So in other words, the libbies in the NFL are going to try some sort of social bribe to stop players from kneeling. Wimps.

Perhaps when that doesn't work and television audiences/game attendance continue to decline, the NFL will find a backbone.

:jerkit:

[drauz]

Remember that in Illinois the advent of DNA evidence proved that half the Death Row were innocent. Not "not guilty", absolutely innocent. On Death Row! With a million appeals and all the public/institutional attention you could ask for, it was (at best!) a 50/50 shot. Now imagine how inapt 'I caught this guy grabbing someone's purse' would be, how easily conscious and unconscious racism (or any other -ism) could bleed into proceedings with so little oversight.Okay, let's see your database.The link I linked shows that black people are disproportionately killed regardless of household income level. Happy to help.

Death row inmates before DNA evidence? Good thing we aren't talking about 40 years ago. Perhaps you could engage on the points that have been made instead of using a flashback of 40 years ago. Statistics I used were from 4 years ago.

[Parkbandit]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMN8YI-VAAAHT9t.jpg

:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

[Gelston]

I too shall sue the NFL for not allowing me to play.

[Tgo01]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMN8YI-VAAAHT9t.jpg

:jerkit::jerkit::jerkit:

I wonder how people who are really oppressed feel about shit like this. Like talking to some guy living in poverty in India or something.

Indian Guy: We have no access to a toilet so we have to literally shit at the beach with hundreds of other people. We don't know when our next meal is going to be, or even if we're going to eat. Our government largely ignores crimes committed against us because we are "untouchables." We don't have a decent education. We are dying out here.

Colin Kaepernick: You think you have it rough, I'm a black man living in the US and can't even get a job earning millions of dollars a year.

[subzero]

Colin Kaepernick: ... I'm a black man

That's debatable.

[Methais]

I am also a black man.

[Latrinsorm]

Oh. Well. How does this apply to racism if we don't know who was shooting who?We know that police caused the deaths in each case, which makes every one relevant to the question of institutional racism,
which is what we were talking about.
Death row inmates before DNA evidence? Good thing we aren't talking about 40 years ago. Perhaps you could engage on the points that have been made instead of using a flashback of 40 years ago. Statistics I used were from 4 years ago.For starters, truth doesn't die of old age. Saying a truth is old is meaningless.

But I can even put that aside, and you'll still be wrong, because this happened less than twenty years ago... in the year 2000 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/illinois-16th-state-abolish-death-penalty/story?id=13095912).

I didn't engage with the points you made in a way you liked. That's not the same as not engaging with them.

You haven't addressed the csv I linked to in any way. That's what not engaging looks like.

Happy to help.

[Tgo01]

We know that police caused the deaths in each case, which makes every one relevant to the question of institutional racism,

You remind me so much of my cousin. When it becomes painfully obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about he just starts making up shit on the spot too in an effort to sound smart. Next you gotta start laughing hysterically at everything the other person says and dismissing everything they say in an effort to make yourself seem superior to them.

[Androidpk]

You remind me so much of my cousin. When it becomes painfully obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about he just starts making up shit on the spot too in an effort to sound smart. Next you gotta start laughing hysterically at everything the other person says and dismissing everything they say in an effort to make yourself seem superior to them.

Funny, that's just how you act too.

[Tgo01]

Funny, that's just how you act too.

Okay, time4pk.

Gosh, I never thought the day would come I would miss time4fun. Sure she had some fucked up ideas and beliefs, but at least she had her convictions. Her replacement just swings from one end of the spectrum to the next depending on who he's talking to. Like some sort of strange political chameleon.

[drauz]

We know that police caused the deaths in each case, which makes every one relevant to the question of institutional racism,
which is what we were talking about.For starters, truth doesn't die of old age. Saying a truth is old is meaningless.

But I can even put that aside, and you'll still be wrong, because this happened less than twenty years ago... in the year 2000 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/illinois-16th-state-abolish-death-penalty/story?id=13095912).

I didn't engage with the points you made in a way you liked. That's not the same as not engaging with them.

You haven't addressed the csv I linked to in any way. That's what not engaging looks like.

Happy to help.

A truth doesn't die of old age huh? That's the biggest load of bullshit. So everyone is just as racist as the slave owners in the south from before the civil war? The world is flat? Attitudes change, new facts are learned, etc.

You didn't engage my points at all. While the removal of the death penalty might have happened in 2000 those convictions are from long before that. You are arguing something I am not, fyi this is the definition of a straw man.

Latrin: Here is proof they realized some sentences may have been wrong almost 20 years ago from convictions way before then, but that proves institutional racism is alive TODAY.

Me: https://media.giphy.com/media/F8bo1LU5U5ApG/giphy.gif

I'm not arguing that racism never existed, just that it isn't widespread today like you seem to think it is.

What link? Now I have to search through your posts to find it. Thanks Obama.

[Androidpk]

Okay, time4pk.

Gosh, I never thought the day would come I would miss time4fun. Sure she had some fucked up ideas and beliefs, but at least she had her convictions. Her replacement just swings from one end of the spectrum to the next depending on who he's talking to. Like some sort of strange political chameleon.


When it becomes painfully obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about he just starts making up shit on the spot too in an effort to sound smart.

See what I mean?

[Tgo01]

See what I mean?

Yeah except I'm right. Sucks to be you, I know, but you'll just have to trust me on this one.

[Androidpk]

lol, someone's triggered

https://media.giphy.com/media/vk7VesvyZEwuI/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

lol, someone's triggered

https://media.giphy.com/media/vk7VesvyZEwuI/giphy.gif

Saying you're wrong makes me triggered? Gosh, you must think everyone you talk to is triggered. Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

[Androidpk]

Saying you're wrong makes me triggered? Gosh, you must think everyone you talk to is triggered. Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

Just you, cause we know how sensitive you are.

[Gelston]

At least you stopped typing in that retarded bubbly font.

[Androidpk]

At least you stopped typing in that retarded bubbly font.

What font is that? Sometimes when I C/P from other websites the font gets messed up.

[Gelston]

What font is that? Sometimes when I C/P from other websites the font gets messed up.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?111765-NFL-players-kneeling-during-National-Anthem&p=1987211#post1987211

There is an example.

[Latrinsorm]

You remind me so much of my cousin. When it becomes painfully obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about he just starts making up shit on the spot too in an effort to sound smart. Next you gotta start laughing hysterically at everything the other person says and dismissing everything they say in an effort to make yourself seem superior to them.My only goal here is to share information. If you're driven by ego, that's your problem.
A truth doesn't die of old age huh? That's the biggest load of bullshit. So everyone is just as racist as the slave owners in the south from before the civil war? The world is flat? Attitudes change, new facts are learned, etc.Neither of those make any sense as retorts. The world being flat was never true, hence its no longer being believed is not evidence of a truth dying, and people didn't stop believing in it because it was old, they stopped believing in it because an African invented grad students and threw them down a well. I have no idea what connection you're even trying to draw with the slave owners thing.
Latrin: Here is proof they realized some sentences may have been wrong almost 20 years ago from convictions way before then, but that proves institutional racism is alive TODAY.First, there's no "may have". 50% of Illinois' death row inmates were incontrovertibly INNOCENT. There is no doubt whatsoever in their sentences being wrongfully applied, that's why (most) people were so horrified and demanded a moratorium that eventually became a permanent ban.

Second, this proof has nothing to do with racism. As explicitly said in my post, this is a proof of "More black people arrested does not mean more black people commit crimes. Not all people who commit crimes are arrested, not all people who are arrested commit crimes." This is the exact point you brought up by linking to the FBI's arrest statistics, and I incontrovertibly engaged with and destroyed it.
What link? Now I have to search through your posts to find it. Thanks Obama.It was in the post you quoted and asked "Where is the evidence?", which as you can imagine gave me quite the sensible chuckle.

[drauz]

My only goal here is to share information. If you're driven by ego, that's your problem.Neither of those make any sense as retorts. The world being flat was never true, hence its no longer being believed is not evidence of a truth dying, and people didn't stop believing in it because it was old, they stopped believing in it because an African invented grad students and threw them down a well. I have no idea what connection you're even trying to draw with the slave owners thing.First, there's no "may have". 50% of Illinois' death row inmates were incontrovertibly INNOCENT. There is no doubt whatsoever in their sentences being wrongfully applied, that's why (most) people were so horrified and demanded a moratorium that eventually became a permanent ban.

Second, this proof has nothing to do with racism. As explicitly said in my post, this is a proof of "More black people arrested does not mean more black people commit crimes. Not all people who commit crimes are arrested, not all people who are arrested commit crimes." This is the exact point you brought up by linking to the FBI's arrest statistics, and I incontrovertibly engaged with and destroyed it.It was in the post you quoted and asked "Where is the evidence?", which as you can imagine gave me quite the sensible chuckle.

This link? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-police-have-killed-americans-in-2015/

Cause that isn't evidence of anything. Only that there are police involved shootings.

[drauz]

Second, this proof has nothing to do with racism. As explicitly said in my post, this is a proof of "More black people arrested does not mean more black people commit crimes. Not all people who commit crimes are arrested, not all people who are arrested commit crimes." This is the exact point you brought up by linking to the FBI's arrest statistics, and I incontrovertibly engaged with and destroyed it.

I don't even know where to begin. So me linking the 2014 (i think) FBI crime stats isn't reliable because in the 60s and 70s and 80s they didn't have DNA evidence and they blamed it on a black person?

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Here is an article for you.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime


But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.


While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination.

Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed.

[subzero]

We know that police caused the deaths in each case, which makes every one relevant to the question of institutional racism,
which is what we were talking about.

Yes, of course. Non-white cops shooting black people has to be the fault of the White Man Atop the Mountain. Goddamn White Devils are everywhere!


You remind me so much of my cousin. When it becomes painfully obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about he just starts making up shit on the spot too in an effort to sound smart. Next you gotta start laughing hysterically at everything the other person says and dismissing everything they say in an effort to make yourself seem superior to them.

Fake it till ya make it, cuz!


This link? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-police-have-killed-americans-in-2015/

Cause that isn't evidence of anything. Only that there are police involved shootings.


police involved shootings.

That's obviously racist because racism!

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[Latrinsorm]

This link? https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-police-have-killed-americans-in-2015/ Cause that isn't evidence of anything. Only that there are police involved shootings.It's evidence that the disproportionate rate of black police killings is not a function of income, because the disproportionality exists at all levels of income in the set. But you knew that already, having looked at the data for yourself.
I don't even know where to begin. So me linking the 2014 (i think) FBI crime stats isn't reliable because in the 60s and 70s and 80s they didn't have DNA evidence and they blamed it on a black person?Nobody brought up race in the Illinois death penalty debacle but you. But let's put that aside. Suppose NBC published a study that said NBC had a liberal bias in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but they totally didn't anymore. Would you find that study at all compelling? If not, why do you believe that the justice system magically became accurate between then and now?
Here is an article for you."it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system." Thanks! I agree. Let's also look at these 'academics'. If you follow the link you find that it is written by John Eterno, a police officer for twenty years. I think we're done here.
That's obviously racist because racism!All the information has been spoon fed to you in unambiguous, comma separated values. If you want to spit up all over yourself, that's your prerogative.

[drauz]

It's evidence that the disproportionate rate of black police killings is not a function of income, because the disproportionality exists at all levels of income in the set. But you knew that already, having looked at the data for yourself.

Except, as I'm sure you knew since you provided the article, the incomes provided are where the shooting took place not how much the victim made...


Nobody brought up race in the Illinois death penalty debacle but you. But let's put that aside. Suppose NBC published a study that said NBC had a liberal bias in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but they totally didn't anymore. Would you find that study at all compelling? If not, why do you believe that the justice system magically became accurate between then and now?

I mean... Thats what we were all talking about....

Biased and accurate are two different things. You can be both. It just means you don't cover things at all that reflect poorly on your bias.

To answer your question though, as you pointed out DNA became more widely accepted... That is the magic that allowed more accuracy.


"it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system." Thanks! I agree.

And that equals institutional racism? I had already agreed that racism exists (see below)... You suggested that there was wide spread racism throughout an institution. Do you not see the difference?


I'm not arguing that racism never existed, just that it isn't widespread today like you seem to think it is.


If you follow the link you find that it is written by John Eterno, a police officer for twenty years. I think we're done here.

Care to refute anything he said or just throw it all out because he is an officer? I mean the article you provided was written by an economics writer.

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[Androidpk]

The NFL will continue allowing players to kneel during the national anthem at games, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday, according to Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-football-nfl-anthem/nfl-policy-on-anthem-kneeling-unchanged-despite-trump-rebuke-idUSKBN1CM16X?il=0).

“We spent today talking about the issues that our players have been trying to bring attention to. About issues in our communities to make our communities better,” Goodell said at a news conference following a meeting between officials and team owners in New York.

The meeting included officials from the NFL and the NFL Player's Association, as well as 11 team owners and 13 NFL players who have protested during the national anthem.

“Today’s discussion with our players was very productive and very important. It reflected our commitment to work together with our players on issues of social justice,” Goodell stated.

According to Reuters, the NFL representatives did not press upon players not to kneel, but instead talked about ways to help them in their activism.

[~Rocktar~]

And the ratings and attendance will continue to tank.

[Androidpk]

Poor little sensitive neckbeards.

[Tgo01]

Poor little sensitive neckbeards.

I don't know why you brag about having no morals or convictions.

Not watching a football game is about the most passive thing I think someone can do and yet somehow you deem these people sensitive snowflake neckbeards and not the millionaires kneeling during the national anthem based on some perceived injustice they have faced.

People aren't going out there and shouting down a speaker they don't like. They aren't protesting or marching in the streets or burning property because they lost an election. They aren't punching someone because they disagree with the person. They aren't breaking down and crying and demanding a safe space with a counselor to tell them everything will be okay because their candidate didn't win. Why you continue to conflate the two in some sort of false equivalency is kind of sad.

Yes. I know. I'm triggered because I called you out on your stupidity. I'm a snowflake neckbeard because I dared to have an opinion and expressed it in a mature manner. Continue.

[Androidpk]

I don't know why you brag about having no morals or convictions.

Not watching a football game is about the most passive thing I think someone can do and yet somehow you deem these people sensitive snowflake neckbeards and not the millionaires kneeling during the national anthem based on some perceived injustice they have faced.

QQ

[Tgo01]

QQ

Be sure to check the edit!

[Androidpk]

Be sure to check the edit!

QQ

[Tisket]

I think we have a new contender for Splinter Quote King of the PC.

I think we need a death match between the contender, drauz, and the reigning champ, Latrinsorm.

[Androidpk]

What's a Splinter quote?

[Tisket]

What's a Splinter quote?

Multi quoting, you ignorant jackanapes.

[Androidpk]

lol @ jackanape

[drauz]

I think we have a new contender for Splinter Quote King of the PC.

I think we need a death match between the contender, drauz, and the reigning champ, Latrinsorm.

I'm on the left.

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[Tisket]

I'm on the left.

https://i.imgur.com/laP90On.gif

hahaha

[subzero]

millionaires kneeling during the national anthem based on some perceived injustice they have faced.

Hey, dude, how many black owners are there? Those guys are totally slaves to the white man, brah!

[Tgo01]

Hey, dude, how many black owners are there? Those guys are totally slaves to the white man, brah!

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[Methais]

What's a Splinter quote?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/41/bb/c2/41bbc2b2d120e9165c356d7c269db424.jpg

[Tenlaar]

Oh look, somebody who is still acting like this has been rich people protesting for themselves rather than rich people using their fame and visibility in society in order to protest for people who don't have that kind of voice and then dismissing them with a casual "like they're oppressed, pfft, they're rich!"

How shocking.

[Keller]

Sometimes I have to remind myself that almost half of our country is of below-average intelligence.

That really helps me cope with the state of our Republic.


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[Gelston]

Sometimes I have to remind myself that almost half of our country is of below-average intelligence.

That really helps me cope with the state of our Republic.


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Yeah, there were a lot of Hillary voters.

[Androidpk]

Sometimes I have to remind myself that almost half of our country is of below-average intelligence.

That really helps me cope with the state of our Oligarchy.


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[Viekn]

Sometimes I have to remind myself that almost half of our country is of below-average intelligence.

I think you're being generous when you say it's "almost half". I figure it's closer to 3/4. Ask yourself this, on any given day, do you think your chances of encountering an idiot at some point during the day are less than 50/50, just 50/50, or over 50/50? Now, I live in Florida, so maybe I'm at a disadvantage because of the people that live in this state, but I'd say my chances are always over 50/50 that I'm going to encounter an idiot in my normal daily life.

[Gelston]

I think you're being generous when you say it's "almost half". I figure it's closer to 3/4. Ask yourself this, on any given day, do you think your chances of encountering an idiot at some point during the day are less than 50/50, just 50/50, or over 50/50? Now, I live in Florida, so maybe I'm at a disadvantage because of the people that live in this state, but I'd say my chances are always over 50/50 that I'm going to encounter an idiot in my normal daily life.

I'd say 99% of the people in Florida are braindead, so that is special for you.

[Androidpk]

Kneel in protest: They're disrespecting the flag and insulting all the troops that died for our country!

Waving around confederate and nazi flags, shouting nazi slogans: They're just exercising their freedom of speech!

[Methais]

Oh look, somebody who is still acting like this has been rich people protesting for themselves rather than rich people using their fame and visibility in society in order to protest for people who don't have that kind of voice and then dismissing them with a casual "like they're oppressed, pfft, they're rich!"

How shocking.

I wonder how often they go to places like the shitty neighborhoods they grew up in and do shit that directly improves the quality of life for the people still stuck in the NFL player's former shithole and things like that, as opposed to just grandstanding on TV and social media while otherwise doing little to nothing for the people they claim to represent.

Asking because I honestly don't know. Perhaps someone here that knows these things could chime in!

[Androidpk]

There are a lot of NFL players that are active in community outreach/engagement programs.

[Tgo01]

Oh look, somebody who is still acting like this has been rich people protesting for themselves rather than rich people using their fame and visibility in society in order to protest for people who don't have that kind of voice and then dismissing them with a casual "like they're oppressed, pfft, they're rich!"

How shocking.

So, wait, these black millionaires AREN'T oppressed in this country? How can one make a statement like "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color" when you yourself aren't oppressed? None of the people on the sidelines kneeling with you are oppressed?

Yeah. This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part. It wasn't until after Trump got involved that Democrats went into damage mode and started making shit up about what these protests were "Really" about.

"It's not about disrespecting our flag! It's about blacks and people of color being oppressed in this country!" Except the ring leader's own words says it's specifically about the flag. And you yourself just got finished saying the people taking part in this (largely black people) are not oppressed.

But it's cool, Tenlaar. I'm used to you just ignoring what people say and arriving at your own biased and uneducated conclusions anyways.

[Tgo01]

Kneel in protest: They're disrespecting the flag and insulting all the troops that died for our country!

Waving around confederate and nazi flags, shouting nazi slogans: They're just exercising their freedom of speech!

Dumb.

First of all in all instances they ARE exercising their freedom of speech. Secondly if these players were instead waving around confederate or Nazi flags during the anthem or shouting Nazi slogans during the anthem then I would think they were being disrespectful too.

These players should be doing something productive about this issue they supposedly care so much about during their off time. But who has time for stupid causes like supposed racial injustice when you got millions of dollars a year to spend?

[Androidpk]

Says the king of biased and uneducated conclusions.

[Methais]

There are a lot of NFL players that are active in community outreach/engagement programs.

I figured that much, but I was more curious about what specifically they're doing to help out said communities. Just being "part of the program" could mean anything. Like providing free nut rags to the local youth to fap with for all I know. Not that isn't a worthy cause or anything though.

[Tgo01]

Says the king of biased and uneducated conclusions.

DURRR!

Seriously at least time4fun tried, time4pk is just boring.

time4pk in a nutshell:

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[Androidpk]

Sorry dude, she's just not that into you. You gotta get over your obsession.

[Tgo01]

Sorry dude, she's just not that into you. You gotta get over your obsession.

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[Androidpk]

Tgo's just mad that black people are making more money than he is. This has nothing to do with insulting the flag or the troops.

[Tgo01]

Tgo's just mad that black people are making more money than he is. This has nothing to do with insulting the flag or the troops.

Wait, how can black people, clearly an oppressed group of people in this country, be making more money than me, a white man oozing with white privilege? This does not compute.

[Androidpk]

False equivalence, dude.

[Tgo01]

False equivalence, dude.

I don't think you understand what a "false equivalence" is, dude.

But seeing as how I used this phrase just last night I guess this is more:

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[Latrinsorm]

Except, as I'm sure you knew since you provided the article, the incomes provided are where the shooting took place not how much the victim made... I mean... Thats what we were all talking about.... Biased and accurate are two different things. You can be both. It just means you don't cover things at all that reflect poorly on your bias.And so, by analogy, the justice system wouldn't arrest people if it didn't suit their bias; in other words, they wouldn't arrest white people as much. I knew we could get there! Good job drauz.
To answer your question though, as you pointed out DNA became more widely accepted... That is the magic that allowed more accuracy.How much more? How will we be able to tell until the next magic comes along? Fingerprinting used to be magic too, you know. Ballistics, tox screens, heck, anything involving a microscope... all of this stuff was around when death row inmates were a 50/50 proposition.
And that equals institutional racism? I had already agreed that racism exists (see below)... You suggested that there was wide spread racism throughout an institution. Do you not see the difference?Quote me.
Care to refute anything he said or just throw it all out because he is an officer? I mean the article you provided was written by an economics writer.I already have, repeatedly.
And the ratings and attendance will continue to tank.It's hilarious how quickly right wingers have changed from declaring ratings were fine after CTE to declaring ratings are in the tank now. It's almost like you people aren't looking at the objective figures at all.
Yeah. This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part. It wasn't until after Trump got involved that Democrats went into damage mode and started making shit up about what these protests were "Really" about.“Once again, I’m not anti-American. I love America. I love people. That’s why I’m doing this. I want to help make America better. I think having these conversations helps everybody have a better understanding of where everybody is coming from.” “Things have happened in Louisiana and the injustices that are happening could have happened to one of my family members,” said Reid, who is from Baton Rouge, La. “It touched close to home and I just wanted to show my support to him and let him know that he is not the only person who feels the way that he feels." (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/sports/football/colin-kaepernick-kneels-national-anthem-protest.html)

September 2016.

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The king stay the king. /splint

[Tgo01]

“Once again, I’m not anti-American. I love America. I love people. That’s why I’m doing this. I want to help make America better. I think having these conversations helps everybody have a better understanding of where everybody is coming from.” “Things have happened in Louisiana and the injustices that are happening could have happened to one of my family members,” said Reid, who is from Baton Rouge, La. “It touched close to home and I just wanted to show my support to him and let him know that he is not the only person who feels the way that he feels."[/url]

September 2016.

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The king stay the king. /splint

So in an effort to prove this wasn't about Colin hating the American flag and our national anthem you quoted him...not talking about the American flag or the national anthem. The strange part is in your mind you just made a good point.

[Latrinsorm]

So in an effort to prove this wasn't about Colin hating the American flag and our national anthem you quoted him...not talking about the American flag or the national anthem. The strange part is in your mind you just made a good point.lol

You: "This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part."
You: "This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part."
You: "This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part."

But let's pretend you never said country, why not. Here's one from August 2016 where he explicitly explains that he's not acting out of hate of the flag:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem)

This is the part where if you were arguing in good faith you would reconsider whether you should trust the people who told you Colin Kaepernick hated America or hated the flag or never declared a specific position.

But you won't.

Because you're not.

[Tgo01]

lol

You: "This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part."
You: "This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part."
You: "This has always been about racist bullshit and hatred for our flag and country on Colin's part."

But let's pretend you never said country, why not. Here's one from August 2016 where he explicitly explains that he's not acting out of hate of the flag:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder." (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem)

This is the part where if you were arguing in good faith you would reconsider whether you should trust the people who told you Colin Kaepernick hated America or hated the flag or never declared a specific position.

But you won't.

Because you're not.

So you admit he hates the flag and he's disrespecting the flag because it represents a COUNTRY that is inherently racist. Glad to see you finally found a modicum of sense. Let's see if we can keep this going.

[RichardCranium]

Just for the record, racism doesn't exist in our legal system. Extreme classimsm does though, which is disproportionately black.

[drauz]

And so, by analogy, the justice system wouldn't arrest people if it didn't suit their bias; in other words, they wouldn't arrest white people as much. I knew we could get there! Good job drauz.

No, that doesn't follow. It could be a reason, but its unlikely. The more likely scenario is that more black people are committing crimes, for a reason currently in debate.


How much more? How will we be able to tell until the next magic comes along? Fingerprinting used to be magic too, you know. Ballistics, tox screens, heck, anything involving a microscope... all of this stuff was around when death row inmates were a 50/50 proposition.

As you said this has nothing to do about race, so I am uninterested in this conversation.


Quote me



We know that police caused the deaths in each case, which makes every one relevant to the question of institutional racism,
which is what we were talking about.



I already have, repeatedly.

No, you haven't. You may think you have, but you haven't.

[subzero]

I figured that much, but I was more curious about what specifically they're doing to help out said communities. Just being "part of the program" could mean anything. Like providing free nut rags to the local youth to fap with for all I know. Not that isn't a worthy cause or anything though.

That's about it, really. They'll hand out stuff during the holidays, do some presentation type of things at a school or two, and some might help fund and occasionally show up at youth sporting events/centers.


the justice system wouldn't arrest people if it didn't suit their bias; in other words, they wouldn't arrest white people as much.

I would love more than anything for you to go out and test your little theory. Let's see how many crimes they ignore Latrin commit because White Power!

[Methais]

Just for the record, racism doesn't exist in our legal system. Extreme classimsm does though, which is disproportionately black.

Yes but they have Morgan Freeman.

[drauz]

Yes but they have Morgan Freeman.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

[Latrinsorm]

So you admit he hates the flag and he's disrespecting the flag because it represents a COUNTRY that is inherently racist. Glad to see you finally found a modicum of sense. Let's see if we can keep this going.I admit that you can't read. The thing is, there's no "we" here. I know you aren't engaging in independent thought here, and so my demonstrating how your claims (no matter how often you change them) have no bearing on reality will have no impact on you. It's for the People.
No, that doesn't follow. It could be a reason, but its unlikely. The more likely scenario is that more black people are committing crimes, for a reason currently in debate.And yet if NBC said 'the more likely scenario is that reality has a liberal bias,' you would give us the same blunt dismissal as everything else you already decided you disagree with. You were so close! I can live with that.
Quote meYour claim was that I "suggested that there was wide spread racism throughout an institution." You don't even realize you're doing it. Oh well.
I would love more than anything for you to go out and test your little theory. Let's see how many crimes they ignore Latrin commit because White Power!Nice try, cop.

[Methais]

I admit that you can't read. The thing is, there's no "we" here. I know you aren't engaging in independent thought here, and so my demonstrating how your claims (no matter how often you change them) have no bearing on reality will have no impact on you. It's for the People.And yet if NBC said 'the more likely scenario is that reality has a liberal bias,' you would give us the same blunt dismissal as everything else you already decided you disagree with. You were so close! I can live with that.Your claim was that I "suggested that there was wide spread racism throughout an institution." You don't even realize you're doing it. Oh well.Nice try, cop.

Oh yeah well how dumb does someone have to be to type all that out to someone that they know can't read?

[drauz]

And yet if NBC said 'the more likely scenario is that reality has a liberal bias,' you would give us the same blunt dismissal as everything else you already decided you disagree with.

I have an opinion based on the evidence I have to go on. Provide me with evidence and you can change my mind. You haven't done that so my mind remains unchanged, shocker.

[Latrinsorm]

Oh yeah well how dumb does someone have to be to type all that out to someone that they know can't read?It's for THE PEOPLE!!!
I have an opinion based on the evidence I have to go on. Provide me with evidence and you can change my mind. You haven't done that so my mind remains unchanged, shocker.I showed you that the justice system in the very recent past was wildly unreliable after people had been arrested, indicted, tried, convicted, and sentenced.
You decided mere arrests were reliable now because the justice system promised promised promised they were legit now, and a former police officer totally agreed.
I gave you an analogy of people you already disagreed with saying the same thing, and you (surprise!) decided that you would still disagree with them, and still agree with the people you already agreed with.
And you still believe your beliefs are evidence based.

Wow!

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Let's try this another way. What specifically would you have to see to convince you that the justice system right now was biased? What specifically would someone have to say, how specifically would they have to demonstrate it?

[Methais]

Wow!

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[Latrinsorm]

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[Methais]

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[Latrinsorm]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/PfDwseWeJ3YL1pviY6aHUBHSBkU=/150x0:1769x1079/1200x800/filters:focal(150x0:1769x1079)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49288123/ss_2B_2016-04-10_2Bat_2B09.42.32_.0.0.jpgMy hair is a bald eagle.

Your response is invalid.

[subzero]

My hair is a bald eagle.


I'm confident no one here cares about your pubic region.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm confident no one here cares about your pubic region.

Seconded.

[Methais]

My hair is a bald eagle.

I demand proof.


I'm confident no one here cares about your pubic region.

Actually nevermind.

[Androidpk]

During a closed-door meeting among NFL team owners and executives, Houston Texans owner Bob McNair made a stunningly inappropriate analogy about allowing players to kneel during the national anthem. “We can’t have the inmates running the prison,”

[Tisket]

During a closed-door meeting among NFL team owners and executives, Houston Texans owner Bob McNair made a stunningly inappropriate analogy about allowing players to kneel during the national anthem. “We can’t have the inmates running the prison,”

He apologized immediately and unequivocally so I hope there isn't an attempt to engender outrage over a throwaway comment.

[Gelston]

He apologized immediately and unequivocally so I hope there isn't an attempt to engender outrage over a throwaway comment.

"Closed-door" apparently doesn't mean much for the NFL. Not to say that I think it is a great way to talk about your employees.

[Taernath]

It's a figure of speech, it's not meant to be taken literally.

[Tgo01]

Reporters caught up to McNair later who said "You reporters are blowing this whole thing out of proportion, it's as if the monkeys are running the zoo."

[drauz]

Reporters caught up to McNair later who said "You reporters are blowing this whole thing out of proportion, it's as if the monkeys are running the zoo."

Racist

[Tgo01]

Racist

Why I never!

[Tisket]

It's a figure of speech, it's not meant to be taken literally.

^

[Androidpk]

It's a figure of speech, it's not meant to be taken literally.

No shit, no one is suggesting otherwise.

[Parkbandit]

He apologized immediately and unequivocally so I hope there isn't an attempt to engender outrage over a throwaway comment.

BUT THAT RICH WHITE GUY CALLED SOME POOR BLACK GUYS INMATES!!!

[Taernath]

No shit, no one is suggesting otherwise.

When you post a quote about something being "stunningly inappropriate" it looks like you are.

[subzero]

It's a figure of speech, it's not meant to be taken literally.

Welcome to our text-driven society. People read something on the internet and are unable to differentiate.

You'd think a game like Gemstone would start to come back around on the popularity wheel with all our text messages, and reddits, and tweeters, and blogs, etc.

[drauz]

It's for THE PEOPLE!!!I showed you that the justice system in the very recent past was wildly unreliable after people had been arrested, indicted, tried, convicted, and sentenced.
You decided mere arrests were reliable now because the justice system promised promised promised they were legit now, and a former police officer totally agreed.
I gave you an analogy of people you already disagreed with saying the same thing, and you (surprise!) decided that you would still disagree with them, and still agree with the people you already agreed with.
And you still believe your beliefs are evidence based.

Wow!

.

Let's try this another way. What specifically would you have to see to convince you that the justice system right now was biased? What specifically would someone have to say, how specifically would they have to demonstrate it?

Your very recent past, is from before I was born... so thats at least 35 years ago. That's not recent, you are talking about things from almost a half century ago.

You are leaving out the FBI statistics I provided as well conveniently.

Offer some sort of evidence that is reliable and shows there is racism. Not individual cases but an entire system of government that is. Then I will agree that there is institutional racism.

[Androidpk]

When you post a quote about something being "stunningly inappropriate" it looks like you are.

It was inappropriate, which is why the guy apologized. :jerkit:

[Gelston]

It was inappropriate, which is why the guy apologized. :jerkit:

He apologized because it is easier to say sorry than to defend your position.

[Androidpk]

He apologized because it is easier to say sorry than to defend your position.

Did he tell you that?

[drauz]

It was inappropriate, which is why the guy apologized. :jerkit:

It seemed pretty fitting for the situation, didn't seem inappropriate at all.

[Gelston]

Did he tell you that?

Do you know anything about business? They apologize immediately, even if they are completely right.

[Taernath]

It was inappropriate, which is why the guy apologized. :jerkit:

Stick to the marijuana thread lil' buddy, you're out of your element.

[Methais]

No shit, no one is suggesting otherwise.

https://i.imgur.com/lUWCTsq.png

"Some guy used an old figure of speech and since I associate black people with prison inmates that means what he said is racist!" -Everybody in 2017

[Androidpk]

Stick to the marijuana thread lil' buddy, you're out of your element.

:jerkit:

[Tisket]

:jerkit:

Ahh, your trademark response when someone makes a true statement.

Some things never change.

[Androidpk]

Ahh, your trademark response when someone makes a true statement.

Some things never change.

oh fuck off

[Tisket]

oh fuck off

Why do you hate truth so much?

[Tgo01]

I wonder if the outrage is going to grow so much that he will be declared incompetent and the courts will make his wife the sole owner who will then sell the team to a progressive billionaire who has always wanted to own a football team.

[Gelston]

I wonder if the outrage is going to grow so much that he will be declared incompetent and the courts will make his wife the sole owner who will then sell the team to a progressive billionaire who has always wanted to own a football team.

Thing is, owning a team is joining a club. They have to allow you in. Except for the entire city of Green Bay.

[Latrinsorm]

Your very recent past, is from before I was born... so thats at least 35 years ago. That's not recent, you are talking about things from almost a half century ago.There are people alive today who would otherwise have been wrongfully executed by the government. And there is no evidence whatsoever that we have reached the apex of forensic science. Quite to the contrary: every scientific advancement has only ever begotten further scientific advancement.
You are leaving out the FBI statistics I provided as well conveniently.I have explicitly addressed this claim multiple times. You don't agree with my response - that's not the same as me not making one.
Offer some sort of evidence that is reliable and shows there is racism. Not individual cases but an entire system of government that is. Then I will agree that there is institutional racism.What evidence would you find reliable? The point of this exercise is for you to say what specifically you will agree to, so that when I provide it you can't weasel out of it.

Which, of course, is why you won't.

And I can live with that, too.

[Tgo01]

Is Latrin being Latrin again?

[Gelston]

Is Latrin being Latrin again?

He never stopped.

[Tgo01]

He never stopped.

I keep hoping :(

[Androidpk]

Looks like practically the entire Houston roster was kneeling during the anthem. GG, McNair. (And they beat the Seahawks to boot!)

[Parkbandit]

Looks like practically the entire Houston roster was kneeling during the anthem. GG, McNair. (And they beat the Seahawks to boot!)

Which reality was that in?

They should pay attention more to Football than what their outrage du jour is. Maybe they wouldn't let Seattle run 41 points on them.

Glad they lost.

[Tisket]

Looks like practically the entire Houston roster was kneeling during the anthem. GG, McNair. (And they beat the Seahawks to boot!)

No, they did not win. It was a nail biter though.

[Gelston]

SEA 41, HOU 38

41 is a higher number than 38.

[Androidpk]

They were ahead when I checked the score (which I thought was final.) Still a good game for them, I was expecting Seattle to demolish them.

[Tgo01]

SEA 41, HOU 38

41 is a higher number than 38.

I win like this when playing miniature golf with someone.

[Gelston]

I win like this when playing miniature golf with someone.

You suck at sports.

[Tgo01]

You suck at sports.

:(

[drauz]

There are people alive today who would otherwise have been wrongfully executed by the government. And there is no evidence whatsoever that we have reached the apex of forensic science. Quite to the contrary: every scientific advancement has only ever begotten further scientific advancement.I have explicitly addressed this claim multiple times. You don't agree with my response - that's not the same as me not making one.What evidence would you find reliable? The point of this exercise is for you to say what specifically you will agree to, so that when I provide it you can't weasel out of it.

Which, of course, is why you won't.

And I can live with that, too.

Stop stalling.

[Methais]

I win like this when playing miniature golf with someone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v99PnBY56ko

[Latrinsorm]

Stop stalling.:lol:

[drauz]

:lol:

I'm going to take this as "I don't have any real evidence of anything from this century so I'll basically ask you to look it up for me".

Let me ask this then, what has convinced you that there is institutional racism prevalent today.

[subzero]

Let me ask this then, what has convinced you that there is institutional racism prevalent today.

Duh, look at all the black people the white man arrests! Personally, I figure if I were a racist cop working with a whole bunch of other racist cops, I'd just let them commit all the crimes they want against each other. Amazingly, these racist cops are out there arresting black people who are violating other black people. Maybe arresting a black person is worth more racist points than helping a black person out?

[Latrinsorm]

I'm going to take this as "I don't have any real evidence of anything from this century so I'll basically ask you to look it up for me".I never asked you to look up anything. I merely asked you to verbalize what you would accept as proof, so I could look it up for you and you wouldn't be able to disagree with it once I did. (Obviously I'm joking. You still would. But at least it would be a fun change of pace.)
Let me ask this then, what has convinced you that there is institutional racism prevalent today.Even before the evidence I already cited, multiple instances of people and institutions admitting to racist behavior, up to and including in the past year.

[drauz]

I never asked you to look up anything. I merely asked you to verbalize what you would accept as proof, so I could look it up for you and you wouldn't be able to disagree with it once I did. (Obviously I'm joking. You still would. But at least it would be a fun change of pace.)

Seems like you have government institutions admitting to racism already based on your quote below. Show me that. Remember though, what may be true in one city doesn't mean that every city is racist. Show me the Federal gov't admitting to racism in the recent past and that's a different story. Its cute how you dismiss my citations but you consider yours beyond reproach. You can't even conceive that it is anything other than racism.


institutions admitting to racist behavior, up to and including in the past year.

Yes individuals can be racist, no one is arguing that there is zero racism in America.

Now show your work.

[Latrinsorm]

Seems like you have government institutions admitting to racism already based on your quote below. Show me that.me: Oh boy, finally some evidence drauz will actually listen to!
Remember though, what may be true in one city doesn't mean that every city is racist. Show me the Federal gov't admitting to racism in the recent past and that's a different story.me: Oh right, it's drauz! lol oh well. Let's try it out for grins anyway.

At the absolute broadest level, from a UN report (http://docplayer.net/38832579-Report-of-the-working-group-of-experts-on-people-of-african-descent-on-its-mission-to-the-united-states-of-america.html): "Authorities at the federal and state levels acknowledged that racial discrimination was a great challenge in the United States and acknowledged the need to adopt focused policies to address existing gaps in order to tackle institutional and structural racism."

Zoom in. Enhance. DOJ report on Ferguson (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-findings-two-civil-rights-investigations-ferguson-missouri): "The department found a pattern or practice of racial bias in both the FPD and municipal court."

Zoom in. Enhance. Chicago. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/us/chicago-police-dept-plagued-by-systemic-racism-task-force-finds.html) Houston. (http://www.houstonpress.com/news/memorial-villages-police-department-in-houston-accused-of-racist-language-by-former-dispatcher-9691148) Kansas City. (http://fox4kc.com/2017/02/14/kc-police-chief-admits-frustration-says-hell-speak-out-about-racism-and-threats-against-him/)
Its cute how you dismiss my citations but you consider yours beyond reproach. You can't even conceive that it is anything other than racism.I gave a specific, concrete, evocative example of the justice system's imprecision, the same justice system whose statistics you were repeating. The word for that is not dismiss, it's disprove. This is fundamentally a math problem, and when you were given a chance to do math you found an excuse not to. That's why you're struggling so mightily to get to the right answer here, you don't like math. Which is fine! Plenty of people don't like math, and you can have a very happy and successful life without that proclivity. It does, however, hamper you in situations like these.

Let me stop you there. I didn't say you can't do math, or that you're dumb, or that you're uneducated, or any other BS intentional misinterpretation you want to throw out there. I said you don't like doing math, because as demonstrated you'll find an excuse not to do it, whereas people who like math will find an excuse to do it. That's just the way it is.

[drauz]

me: Oh boy, finally some evidence drauz will actually listen to!me: Oh right, it's drauz! lol oh well. Let's try it out for grins anyway.

At the absolute broadest level, from a UN report (http://docplayer.net/38832579-Report-of-the-working-group-of-experts-on-people-of-african-descent-on-its-mission-to-the-united-states-of-america.html): "Authorities at the federal and state levels acknowledged that racial discrimination was a great challenge in the United States and acknowledged the need to adopt focused policies to address existing gaps in order to tackle institutional and structural racism."

Zoom in. Enhance. DOJ report on Ferguson (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-findings-two-civil-rights-investigations-ferguson-missouri): "The department found a pattern or practice of racial bias in both the FPD and municipal court."

Zoom in. Enhance. Chicago. (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/us/chicago-police-dept-plagued-by-systemic-racism-task-force-finds.html) Houston. (http://www.houstonpress.com/news/memorial-villages-police-department-in-houston-accused-of-racist-language-by-former-dispatcher-9691148) Kansas City. (http://fox4kc.com/2017/02/14/kc-police-chief-admits-frustration-says-hell-speak-out-about-racism-and-threats-against-him/)I gave a specific, concrete, evocative example of the justice system's imprecision, the same justice system whose statistics you were repeating. The word for that is not dismiss, it's disprove. This is fundamentally a math problem, and when you were given a chance to do math you found an excuse not to. That's why you're struggling so mightily to get to the right answer here, you don't like math. Which is fine! Plenty of people don't like math, and you can have a very happy and successful life without that proclivity. It does, however, hamper you in situations like these.

me: "show me federal gov't"

you: "here are some local gov't"

You didn't "call it", you asked for something specific and then provided nothing of what I asked for. No one has said that racism doesn't exist. Of course you can pick out some counties out of thousands (thanks gelston) that have racist police forces. This is why I figured there was no point in answering your question, you would just provide something else and call it what I asked for. Then you'd say "see! you just dismiss what I provide you".

I don't remember you disproving anything and its so far back that I don't feel like searching for your "response". So if you could provide it again please. If you mean your income doesn't play a part response, then I already refuted that.

I can see this isn't going anywhere, so I will agree to disagree with you that there is institutional racism. Respond or don't, but this will be my last message on the topic.

[Gelston]

Of course you can pick out some counties out of probably millions that have racist police forces. .

There are 3007 counties or equivalent in the US.

[drauz]

There are 3007 counties or equivalent in the US.

I was off by a couple.

[Latrinsorm]

me: "show me federal gov't" you: "here are some local gov't"The first quote I gave explicitly talks about federal and state government. From there I went to the federal government looking at local government. From there I went to local government talking about itself. I covered every base from every angle, which you read (and will remember) as being only local government.
So if you could provide it again please. ... Respond or don't, but this will be my last message on the topic./boggle

[ClydeR]

Will there be drama? Yes! The night before the reception for Super Bowl champs, Trump disinvited them -- in third person -- and issued a statement of his alternate plans -- in first person..




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De4gpKmU8AACtyk.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Good. They should all stay home and kneel down in protest until the Giants kick their ass this season.

[Ardwen]

Weird he didn't disinvite the Patriots owned by his good friend last year, more Patriots refused to go then Eagles this season, sounds like someone is trolling for headlines.

[Parkbandit]

Weird he didn't disinvite the Patriots owned by his good friend last year, more Patriots refused to go then Eagles this season, sounds like someone is trolling for headlines.

I think we can all agree: Eagles suck.

https://media.tenor.com/images/5c6504be980a53091ac8c592f4dbb090/tenor.gif

[cwolff]

Will there be drama? Yes! The night before the reception for Super Bowl champs, Trump disinvited them -- in third person -- and issued a statement of his alternate plans -- in first person..




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De4gpKmU8AACtyk.jpg

He's such a bitch. A 72 year old man ruled by his spoiled inner child. I'm sick of seeing him use veterans as props for his bullshit drama. Plenty of us veterans (not all) are completely OK with players kneeling to protest police brutality. It's basically what we signed up to defend.

BTW: The Eagles learned about this cancellation from Twitter. WTF

[Androidpk]

The chief of staff for Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney (D) trolled President Trump with a side-by-side photo of Trump's inauguration crowd and Eagles fans celebrating the team’s Super Bowl win.


“Our party was bigger than yours,” Jane Slusser tweeted in response to Trump’s decision to rescind the Eagles’ invitation to the White House because not all of the players wanted to attend.

[Parkbandit]

He's such a bitch. A 72 year old man ruled by his spoiled inner child. I'm sick of seeing him use veterans as props for his bullshit drama. Plenty of us veterans (not all) are completely OK with players kneeling to protest police brutality. It's basically what we signed up to defend.

BTW: The Eagles learned about this cancellation from Twitter. WTF

So, the President disrespected the Eagles?

Good.

[cwolff]

Trump was tweeting about this last night and he woke up tweeting his little fingers off about it again. He's shitting on them for staying in the locker room during the anthem which they didn't.


The Philadelphia Eagles Football Team was invited to the White House. Unfortunately, only a small number of players decided to come, and we canceled the event. Staying in the Locker Room for the playing of our National Anthem is as disrespectful to our country as kneeling. Sorry! ~dumb donald.


This is from Jake Tapper:


NFL sources tell me ZERO members of the Super Bowl-winning @Eagles team invited to the White House ever took a knee or stayed in the locker room during the national anthem to protest police brutality/racial injustice.

It begs the question. What is wrong with so many of our fellow PC'ers that they defend these crude lies from the President? I'm pretty sure they are the same people who shit on Obama for demeaning the office.

[ClydeR]

Although player groups decried the decision, the NFL owners thought they had finally come up with a compromise regarding the national anthem. Under a new rule adopted by the owners, players may stay in the locker room during the anthem, but if they are on the field or sidelines, they must stand during the anthem.

Not good enough! Trump tweeted last night that all players must come on the field and stand at attention. Nothing less is acceptable in America.








https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De5UmwlUcAAd5Ey.jpg

[ClydeR]

It begs the question. What is wrong with so many of our fellow PC'ers that they defend these crude lies from the President?

In the tweet that you quoted, Trump apologized, possibly for the first time ever.

[cwolff]

We will proudly be playing the National Anthem and other wonderful music celebrating our Country today at 3 P.M., The White House, with the United States Marine Band and the United States Army Chorus. Honoring America! NFL, no escaping to Locker Rooms!
4:08 AM - 5 Jun 2018

Apparently fans and other real americans are welcome to see the festivities. No Eagles though. Not even the 10 that said they'd go to the WH for the event.

BTW: Notice again how he uses the military as a prop for his bullshit. If he gets a second term we'll switch to the Goose Step.

[Androidpk]

Apparently fans and other real americans are welcome to see the festivities. No Eagles though. Not even the 10 that said they'd go to the WH for the event.

BTW: Notice again how he uses the military as a prop for his bullshit. If he gets a second term we'll switch to the Goose Step.

Pretty funny considering there was only 1 person on the Eagles that kneeled last season and it was during the preseason before said guy was cut from the team.

[Androidpk]

It begs the question. What is wrong with so many of our fellow PC'ers that they defend these crude lies from the President? I'm pretty sure they are the same people who shit on Obama for demeaning the office.

lol@PC trolls talking about how Obama debased the office of the presidency. Now they're absolutely fucking silent on all the vile shit Trump has done.

[Neveragain]

lol@PC trolls talking about how Obama debased the office of the presidency. Now they're absolutely fucking silent on all the vile shit Trump has done.

Sadly you and your I'll pushed the biggest lie in US history, that being the ACA. The Democrats will never live that down, from there on out all a candidate has to do is mention that their opponent supported the ACA and it's an automatic win.

[cwolff]

Sadly you and your I'll pushed the biggest lie in US history, that being the ACA. The Democrats will never live that down, from there on out all a candidate has to do is mention that their opponent supported the ACA and it's an automatic win.

You spelled ilk wrong

[Neveragain]

You spelled ilk wrong

You lost get over it?

[Androidpk]

Sadly you and your I'll pushed the biggest lie in US history

Yeah I'm just going to stop you right there. I've been against the ACA since day 1. Maybe you should get your facts straight before speaking so you don't look like a moron.

[Neveragain]

Yeah I'm just going to stop you right there. I've been against the ACA since day 1. Maybe you should get your facts straight before speaking so you don't look like a moron.

If you're against it why do you support those that want it? I don't think the word moron means what you think it does.

[Back]

This is bullshit. How long before it is mandatory for everyone to stand for the national anthem? We are actually witnessing America become a fascist authoritarian dictatorship. And there are people who are actually welcoming it.

[Androidpk]

If you're against it why do you support those that want it? I don't think the word moron means what you think it does.

Just what I thought, you're a moron.

[cwolff]

First Lady Melania Trump will skip a public event at the White House on Tuesday afternoon, a day after she briefly returned to public life following an extended absence.
Trump will forego the "Celebration of America" at the White House, according to Stephanie Grisham, the communication director for the first lady.

Did Melania get un-invited too? Or maybe she's not a real American.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/390732-melania-wont-attend-celebration-of-america-event-at-white-house

[Neveragain]

This is bullshit. How long before it is mandatory for everyone to stand for the national anthem? We are actually witnessing America become a fascist authoritarian dictatorship. And there are people who are actually welcoming it.

If you want to play in the NFL you will have to stand for the anthem. Kind of like, if you want to work at Hooters you have to be hawt. There's always the Canadian football league for the losers.

[RichardCranium]

Kind of like, if you want to work at Hooters you have to be hawt.

Well that's just not true. At all.

[Neveragain]

So you vote for people who contradict your personal beliefs? Again, I don't think you know what the word moron means.

[Androidpk]

So you vote for people who contradict your personal beliefs? Again, I don't think you know what the word moron means.

Who did I vote for that contradicts my personal beliefs? Stop being a moron.

[Neveragain]

Well that's just not true. At all.

No, you're right. I don't think there's a nice titty requirement to work in the kitchen. Of course I don't go to Hooters for their delicious chicken, just like I don't give away free rent for delicious chicken. I go for the titties and I certainly don't reduce my tip because the waitresses are masturbating too loudly.

[Neveragain]

Who did I vote for that contradicts my personal beliefs? Stop being a moron.

Perhaps it would make sense if you actually stated what you do stand for (other than weed) so we can get a better sense of what free shit you want to steal from other people?

[Androidpk]

Perhaps it would make sense if you actually stated what you do stand for (other than weed) so we can get a better sense of what free shit you want to steal from other people?

Okay, parkbandit, why don't you get on your main account and we'll discuss this.

[Neveragain]

Okay, parkbandit, why don't you get on your main account and we'll discuss this.

This needed to be quoted so we can give an example of the meaning of the word moron.

[Androidpk]

This needed to be quoted so we can give an example of the meaning of the word moron.

Dude, you give us an example every single time you post. We're well covered in the moron department.

[Neveragain]

Dude, you give us an example every single time you post. We're well covered in the moron department.

Are you saying PB is a moron?

[cwolff]

“Unfortunately, the Eagles offered to send only a tiny handful of representatives, while making clear that the great majority of players would not attend the event, despite planning to be in D.C. today,” Sanders said.
“In other words, the vast majority of the Eagles team decided to abandon their fans,” she added.

The WH is a grotesque parody of everything it's supposed to be.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/390769-white-house-blames-eagles-for-canceled-visit

[Methais]

This is bullshit. How long before it is mandatory for everyone to stand for the national anthem? We are actually witnessing America become a fascist authoritarian dictatorship. And there are people who are actually welcoming it.


https://youtu.be/GlhOUyy4wbs

[Methais]

Okay, parkbandit, why don't you get on your main account and we'll discuss this.

What do you stand for politically?

/mainaccount

[Androidpk]

President Trump canceled an invitation to the White House for the Super Bowl-winning Philadelphia Eagles on Monday, saying that “staying in the locker room for the playing of our National Anthem” was “disrespectful.”


This explanation, however, makes no sense. No Eagles players ever stayed in the locker room during the national anthem, nor did any players kneel during the regular season or the playoffs.


And when Fox News tried to pile on by showing footage of players it claimed were protesting during the national anthem, it backfired — because those players weren’t protesting; they were praying. :lol2:

[Neveragain]

President Trump canceled an invitation to the White House for the Super Bowl-winning Philadelphia Eagles on Monday, saying that “staying in the locker room for the playing of our National Anthem” was “disrespectful.”


This explanation, however, makes no sense. No Eagles players ever stayed in the locker room during the national anthem, nor did any players kneel during the regular season or the playoffs.


And when Fox News tried to pile on by showing footage of players it claimed were protesting during the national anthem, it backfired — because those players weren’t protesting; they were praying. :lol2:

You're more than welcome to start your own football league and let your employees use your business as a political stump. The NFL said not anymore, here's your chance to capitalize on this and make billions. Like the xfl but with butt hurt instead of extreme. You could call it the BHL.

[Androidpk]

You're more than welcome to start your own football league and let your employees use your business as a political stump. The NFL said not anymore, here's your chance to capitalize on this and make billions. Like the xfl but with butt hurt instead of extreme. You could call it the BHL.

What does this have to do with Trump lying about Eagles players kneeling? Maybe you should stop hitting the bong for awhile.

[cwolff]

Philly's mayor said it "only proves that our President is not a true patriot, but a fragile egomaniac obsessed with crowd size and afraid of the embarrassment of throwing a party to which no one wants to attend.”

Ain't this the truth.

[Neveragain]

What does this have to do with Trump lying about Eagles players kneeling? Maybe you should stop hitting the bong for awhile.

Mostly it has to do with me not caring about people that get paid millions to play with a ball and you actually letting it upset you.

Remember when you were all like "You should try cannabis to treat your Parkinson's disease" and now you're all Jeff Sessions up in here.

[Neveragain]

Ain't this the truth.

Remember when Philly had to grease street poles to stop their ignorant fan base from destroying public property so instead eagles fans decided to eat horse shit instead?

[cwolff]

@RoguePOTUSStaff

That awkward moment when nobody wants to go to your child's birthday party so your embarrassed child says they didn't want a party anyway, then demands a new party for themselves alone, then complains all day about being lonely. But your child is President of the United States.

More truth from a tweet

[cwolff]

Verified account

@EliStokols

Asked by @PeterAlexander why Trump supports the Colorado baker’s free speech rights and not those of NFL players who kneel, Sanders says the latter isn’t viewed by POTUS as an issue of free speech.

Props to the Press Corps. They're beating SHS as if she lies like a rug.

[Androidpk]

Ain't this the truth.

epic burn :lol2:

[Androidpk]

Mostly it has to do with me not caring about people that get paid millions to play with a ball and you actually letting it upset you.

Remember when you were all like "You should try cannabis to treat your Parkinson's disease" and now you're all Jeff Sessions up in here.

I'm upset about professional athletes getting paid lots of money? And I'm acting like Jeff Sessions because I'm pointing out the incredibly stupid and nonsensical things you're saying? Ooookay.

[cwolff]

Anyone watching trump mouthing the words to patriotic songs with Marine chorus on stage behind him? Fucking pathetic. He leans on the military because they can't say no.

[Neveragain]

I'm upset about professional athletes getting paid lots of money? And I'm acting like Jeff Sessions because I'm pointing out the incredibly stupid and nonsensical things you're saying? Ooookay.

It's only stupid and nonsensical to you. Trump has you crying over football..

Honestly if you would take a moment to do some self reflecting you would realize there's nothing you can say to degrade others on this forum and not have them remind you that you steal from people. I really don't understand why you even try the defamation route. Ok I do understand but I guess I gave you credit for not being as ignorant as you must truly be.

[cwolff]

https://youtu.be/Y5Yb8R5Sgmc?t=25

He doesn't even know the words. HAHAHA Just mouths along like a crazy person

[Ardwen]

There is also video of one of the well dressed white folks in the crowd kneeling, its odd a group that is supposed to be 1000 eagles fans had no eagles jerseys on too.....

[Androidpk]

It's only stupid and nonsensical to you. Trump has you crying over football..

Honestly if you would take a moment to do some self reflecting you would realize there's nothing you can say to degrade others on this forum and not have them remind you that you steal from people. I really don't understand why you even try the defamation route. Ok I do understand but I guess I gave you credit for not being as ignorant as you must truly be.

Do you even try to make sense anymore? You're just bouncing around all over the place. Again, what does Trump lying about the Eagles players kneeling have to do with what you said?

[Neveragain]

Do you even try to make sense anymore? You're just bouncing around all over the place. Again, what does Trump lying about the Eagles players kneeling have to do with what you said?

One lie had major detrimental impact on American citizens, the other lie impacted filthy rich football players. I'm sorry you're so obtuse.

[cwolff]

There is also video of one of the well dressed white folks in the crowd kneeling, its odd a group that is supposed to be 1000 eagles fans had no eagles jerseys on too.....

One news guy posted that he asked 6 of the Eagles "Fans" who their QB was and none knew. Good catch on the Jerseys. I saw the video of the guy kneeling and when they panned across the crowd there really weren't any Jerseys were there?

[Androidpk]

One lie had major detrimental impact on American citizens, the other lie impacted filthy rich football players. I'm sorry you're so obtuse.

Okay. Continue to make 0 sense.

[Methais]

Remember when you were all like "You should try cannabis to treat your Parkinson's disease" and now you're all Jeff Sessions up in here.

:lol:

Zero. Self. Awareness.

If Trump said he wanted to legalize weed, pk would instantly become a Reefer Madness advocate.

[Methais]

Props to the Press Corps. They're beating SHS as if she lies like a rug.

Feel free to explain how a private business making rules for its employees to follow is an issue of free speech.

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[Neveragain]

Okay. Continue to make 0 sense.

Like, you're the only one not understanding what the underlying message. Of course this is why I called you obtuse, not as an insult mind you.

[Gelston]

One news guy posted that he asked 6 of the Eagles "Fans" who their QB was and none knew. Good catch on the Jerseys. I saw the video of the guy kneeling and when they panned across the crowd there really weren't any Jerseys were there?

Probably because Tom Brady was beat by a backup QB that no one fucking knows?

[Neveragain]

Probably because Tom Brady was beat by a backup QB that no one fucking knows?

I didn't even remember that the eagles won the Superbowl, I just remember that the Patriots lost.

I guess I'm too distracted by all the winning.

[Androidpk]

Like, you're the only one not understanding what the underlying message. Of course this is why I called you obtuse, not as an insult mind you.

What underlying message? That Trump lies about the actions of a team, and you're okay with it because said players make too much money? Oookay.

[Neveragain]

What underlying message? That Trump lies about the actions of a team, and you're okay with it because said players make too much money? Oookay.

Are you seriously this fucking dense?

I'll make this as simple as possible. You are crying over football.

[Androidpk]

Are you seriously this fucking dense?

I'll make this as simple as possible. You are crying over football.

This has nothing to do with football and everything with a President of the United States publicly disparaging Americans because they don't want to go to his stupid party.

[Androidpk]

One news guy posted that he asked 6 of the Eagles "Fans" who their QB was and none knew. Good catch on the Jerseys. I saw the video of the guy kneeling and when they panned across the crowd there really weren't any Jerseys were there?

Crisis actors :lol:

[Neveragain]

This has nothing to do with football and everything with a President of the United States publicly disparaging Americans because they don't want to go to his stupid party.

If it's just a stupid party why all the butt hurt?

[Androidpk]

Ask Trump.

[Methais]

If it's just a stupid party why all the butt hurt?

Because he wasn't invited.

[cwolff]

This tweet pretty well sums up how trump and his minions uses veterans.


THEM: Stop kneeling! It’s disrespectful to veterans!

VETERANS: No, it isn’t, See because we joined to—

THEM: No, no, shut up, yes it is.

Whole LOT of respect for us there.

#WhyTheyKneel #ThursdayThoughts #WhyWeKneel #Veterans

[Methais]

This tweet pretty well sums up how trump and his minions uses veterans.

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[Back]

Its not about the national anthem. Its racism. Its about white people trying to tell black people what they can and cannot do.

[Parkbandit]

Its not about the national anthem. Its racism. Its about white people trying to tell black people what they can and cannot do.

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE.. IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!

BACKLASH IS BRINGING BACK DRUNK FRIDAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Methais]

Its not about the national anthem. Its racism. Its about white people trying to tell black people what they can and cannot do.

Show your ignorance fueled contempt by not watching any NFL games. Which I'm sure you watch Will & Grace reruns during those times anyway, but still.

[Back]

Show your ignorance fueled contempt by not watching any NFL games. Which I'm sure you watch Will & Grace reruns during those times anyway, but still.

I know you don't actually have any opinions on any of the stuff we post about. You are just here to talk shit.

[Methais]

I know you don't actually have any opinions on any of the stuff we post about. You are just here to talk shit.

Sure I do. I just don't feel the need to post 40 paragraphs about it, even if you weren't massively retarded.

While we're on the topic though, when was your last post that wasn't talking shit?

I know you won't respond to that on here though, because right now you're doing this irl:

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