Price Check on Full Plate

[Khariz]

Never mind.

[Archigeek]

Congrats on the new armor. I think that's some pretty nice armor, maybe worth about 65 million at $5, but it's really hard to tell these days. It could maybe fetch more, but there's quite a lot of good armor out there these days.

[Khariz]

Congrats on the new armor. I think that's some pretty nice armor, maybe worth about 65 million at $5, but it's really hard to tell these days. It could maybe fetch more, but there's quite a lot of good armor out there these days.

I haven't purchased any new armor.

[Beniah]

What do you guys suppose this armor might be worth these days?

some damascened black rolaren plate

Dully absorbing the surrounding light, the black rolaren suit's cuirass produces a strangely beautiful mimicry of the body. Matching the cuirass, a sentinel helmet protects the head, arm greaves comprised of vambraces and rerebrace protect the arms, and leg greaves of cuisses, poleyns, and schynbalds provide protection for the legs. The entire suit is heavily damascened with lines of wispy silver fire. You see nothing unusual, except for a small enchanter's glyph. A strange necrotic haze radiates from the plate.

7x (+35), max light, T5 ensorcelled, permanently heavily crit-padded, moderate slash resistant, minor crush vulnerable full plate.

Kind of interested in the Dollar value rather than silvers. If expressed in silvers, explain what conversion rate you had in mind.

I would "guess" in the 60-70M silver range. Cash maybe 300-350ish? Nice armor. I'd be interested if you look to move it.

[Khariz]

People are already making me offers in it. I'll let everyone know if I decide to actually sell it.

[Wrathbringer]

Crush vulnerability probably makes the armor unusable. Try it and see.

[Khariz]

Crush vulnerability probably makes the armor unusable. Try it and see.

Lol. Good troll attempt. In the last 10years of wearing this, I’ve never been crit killed by a blunt weapon. It’s literally the lowest amount of vulnerability something can have in exchange for moderate slash resistance.

[Wrathbringer]

Lol. Good troll attempt. In the last 10years of wearing this, I’ve never been crit killed by a blunt weapon. It’s literally the lowest amount of vulnerability something can have in exchange for moderate slash resistance.

Not trolling, just saying. I've used armor that had those two specific resistance and vuln. I got rid of it quickly due to the crush vulnerability making it nigh unusable.

[Khariz]

Not trolling, just saying. I've used armor that had those two specific resistance and vuln. I got rid of it quickly due to the crush vulnerability making it nigh unusable.

Must be a completely different level of crush vulnerability than this armor has. I don’t think I’ve ever even had this armor’s vulnerability increase a minor to a major, let alone come anywhere near enhancing something to a death crit. I can probably post hundreds of neck/head hits I have received if anyone wants to crunch real numbers on it. I haven’t found the level of vulnerability on his armor to ever be of the slightest concern.

[Wrathbringer]

Must be a completely different level of crush vulnerability than this armor has. I don’t think I’ve ever even had this armor’s vulnerability increase a minor to a major, let alone come anywhere near enhancing something to a death crit. I can probably post hundreds of neck/head hits I have received if anyone wants to crunch real numbers on it. I haven’t found the level of vulnerability on his armor to ever be of the slightest concern.

No, it's the same. But whatever. Best of luck with it.

[Khariz]

Ok, well, I’m willing to back up what I’m saying. I’d be willing to extract a couple hundred instances of the word onslaught from my logs and post the resulting hits if anyone needs proof that it has had a “nigh” meaningless practical effect on critical ranks in usage by me. If anyone feels like they need that information, they are welcome to it. Or if they would prefer to test it themselves in the event I decide to sell it, anyone is also welcome to test it under their own circumstances before purchasing.

[Wrathbringer]

Ok, well, I’m willing to back up what I’m saying....

You've got 10 years of logs to show you never died via crush crit? I doubt it. But that's what you claimed.

[Khariz]

I don't mean to intrude Khariz I've bought a claidh or two from you and I know you to have a impeccable rep. But, isn't plate armor weak to blunts? like that's their thing? I thought slice had the worst time against plate class?

A. I didn’t make the armor, so I didn’t select the resistance and vulnerability.

B. I wouldn’t say plate is “weak” to blunts. But, the one particular fact that you may be meaning to highlight with such a statement is this: compared to all other damage types available in the game, it takes the lowest critical rank to cause a death critical on the head/neck with blunt-type damage against plate armor. So yeah, plate is “weaker” to blunt damage on the head/neck than it is to slash damage. I still haven’t found that particularly meaningful with respect to the “vulnerability” as-applied to *me*.

Basically, the effect of having the additional blunt-vulnerability on this armor is that a certain percentage of the occasions on which which a successful blunt hit strikes you, you will suffer a certain percentage additional damage from that damage type. Unless you are regularly getting struck by blunt weapons on 250+ Endrolls (which I am not), you should rarely, if ever, actually see the vulnerability cause a critical rank enhancement.

To call it “nigh unusable” is either (a) a massive exaggeration, or (b) being used in a scenario where the character has no spells on and is routinely taking blunt hits with higher than 200 endrolls (and jacked up defense factor reduction).

[Khariz]

You've got 10 years of logs to show you never died via crush crit? I doubt it. But that's what you claimed.

That’s not even close to what I claimed. I claimed I’ve never had the crush-vulnerability on the armor enhance a blunt hit to a death crit. I can’t find a single instance of dying to a blunt strike to the head/neck where I died because the armor had this vulnerability, rather than because a particularly high endroll + blunt + plate = instant death.

[Maerit]

Crush vuln aside, is slash protection very valuable comparatively to other options for plate armor? I would think slash has the weakest crit tables against plate (one of the reasons everyone uses mauls over battleaxes and greatswords).

I've seen 7x 2-slot fusion with HCP go for 60-70mil, so is the slash protection really worth the same amount as 2-slot fusion?

[Khariz]

Crush vuln aside, is slash protection very valuable comparatively to other options for plate armor? I would think slash has the weakest crit tables against plate (one of the reasons everyone uses mauls over battleaxes and greatswords).

I've seen 7x 2-slot fusion with HCP go for 60-70mil, so is the slash protection really worth the same amount as 2-slot fusion?

I don’t think the slash protection has an enhancing effect on the value of this armor, no. It’s just worth whatever 7x, HCP, max light, T5 ensorcelled plate is worth. I listed the other properties so that people would be aware of them, not because of their value.

[Archigeek]

I thought this was pretty nice plate. Personally I hate added vulnerabilities, but that's not really on the basis of empirical evidence. The resistance won't help/hurt the price much. You'd be better off with warrior slash protection, but that's a maintenance issue, and there are those who hate maintenance issues as much as I hate vulnerabilities. The big plusses for this armor are a decent enchant, crit padding, and T5. It's also a nice set of armor to continue working on.

[Maerit]

I don’t think the slash protection has an enhancing effect on the value of this armor, no. It’s just worth whatever 7x, HCP, max light, T5 ensorcelled plate is worth. I listed the other properties so that people would be aware of them, not because of their value.

In that case, I would have to strongly disagree with the 60-70mil assessment, as historically 7x HCP armor that is T5 ensorcelled and max light generally sells for the 40-50mil range. Modifiers that bump the price up tend to be fusion, special scripts, or other specific enhancements to the armor. If the slash protection does not add value to the armor, then I'd price it similar to other 7x armors with the current silvers value taken into consideration.

Here's a couple cross-references to use for pricing examples that match well (IMO):

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?106663-7x-(-35)-perm-heavy-crit-padded-perm-quot-very-quot-slash-resistant-max-light-MBP&highlight=7x+hcp+full+plate (sold for 40mil)
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?101964-Max-6x-HCP-scripted-full-plate&highlight=7x+hcp+full+plate (sold for 27mil)
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?93616-Some-pale-golden-leathers-7x-HCP-(permanent)-Full-Leather/page3&highlight=7x+hcp+full+plate (almost sold for 40mil)

Due to the silvers value being low right now, it would be fairly reasonable to ask on the high end (50mil) and then maybe a little more for it being full plate?

[Archigeek]

Maerit, your three examples are a set of metal breastplate, (there's almost zero market for that ASG), some leather, (different market entirely), and a set of 6x HCP full plate with no ensorcelment, that sold in 7 hours in the flat price folder, at a time when silvers were worth about 20% more than they are now. It's hard to search this forum and find comparable items, but none of those really hits the mark. Here's a bit of my logic, good or bad:

The greatly fluctuating currency value, coupled with the recent changes to crit padding make it difficult to price things. Does the new crit padding system make this armor worth more or less, or not make a difference at all? I considered this before making a suggestion on value, and reached the conclusion that the new system would give all of the MCP plate armor out there a large bump in value for the next 3-4 years, simply because making an MCP set is now going to be much more difficult. What does that do to a set of armor like this? It's all supply and demand. Everyone who might have bought an MCP set is now looking at an HCP set and some slow building instead, because the MCP set got a price bump. Ultimately I don't think it's a huge factor in the short term, but I did consider it.

To me, the major contributing positive factors to price for this armor are: it's a popular ASG, padding, ensorcelment, and a large downward push on currency valuation. Negative factors are: there's quite a bit of full plate out there. The resistance is maybe a very slight negative but largely a push, because anyone who likes it can keep it and someone who doesn't can pretty easily strip it out.

[Wrathbringer]

Maerit, your three examples are a set of metal breastplate, (there's almost zero market for that ASG), some leather, (different market entirely), and a set of 6x HCP full plate with no ensorcelment, that sold in 7 hours in the flat price folder, at a time when silvers were worth about 20% more than they are now. It's hard to search this forum and find comparable items, but none of those really hits the mark. Here's a bit of my logic, good or bad:

The greatly fluctuating currency value, coupled with the recent changes to crit padding make it difficult to price things. Does the new crit padding system make this armor worth more or less, or not make a difference at all? I considered this before making a suggestion on value, and reached the conclusion that the new system would give all of the MCP plate armor out there a large bump in value for the next 3-4 years, simply because making an MCP set is now going to be much more difficult. What does that do to a set of armor like this? It's all supply and demand. Everyone who might have bought an MCP set is now looking at an HCP set and some slow building instead, because the MCP set got a price bump. Ultimately I don't think it's a huge factor in the short term, but I did consider it.

To me, the major contributing positive factors to price for this armor are: it's a popular ASG, padding, ensorcelment, and a large downward push on currency valuation. Negative factors are: there's quite a bit of full plate out there. The resistance is maybe a very slight negative but largely a push, because anyone who likes it can keep it and someone who doesn't can pretty easily strip it out.

Resistances and vulnerability cannot be removed. Hence the reason I sold my set.

[Archigeek]

Resistances and vulnerability cannot be removed. Hence the reason I sold my set.

Yes they can. I've done it. What you can't do, is remove the vulnerability and keep the resistance. You have to remove both.

[Wrathbringer]

Yes they can. I've done it. What you can't do, is remove the vulnerability and keep the resistance. You have to remove both.

I explained this to the gm doing item destruction and he stated that neither could be removed. Guess you got lucky.

[Wrathbringer]

8700th post.

[Khariz]

Eh, isn't MBP one of the higher demand armor classes, since it's the earliest to get plate divisor and CvA and only 80 ranks of AU versus 130 for full plate which is roughly the same EXP cost if you're doubling AU every level.

No.

[Archigeek]

Eh, isn't MBP one of the higher demand armor classes, since it's the earliest to get plate divisor and CvA and only 80 ranks of AU versus 130 for full plate which is roughly the same EXP cost if you're doubling AU every level.

No, it's not. There are a few die hard lovers of MBP, but there aren't enough of them to support the price. It's usually a bargain because it's just a way point on the way to full plate, and no one wants to spend a bunch on something they're only going to use for a little while.

[Archigeek]

No.

I see that Khariz and I think alike... his answers, being shorter, beat me to the punch it seems.

[Khariz]

I see that Khariz and I think alike... his answers, being shorter, beat me to the punch it seems.

Your answer was better.

[adred]

I had some hcp plate with minor shock vuln. for awhile and I got vaporized by just about every other ithzir flare, in regular 7x hcp full plate it's about 1% of the time it actually does anything worse than a minor nerve

[Maerit]

Maerit, your three examples are a set of metal breastplate, (there's almost zero market for that ASG), some leather, (different market entirely), and a set of 6x HCP full plate with no ensorcelment, that sold in 7 hours in the flat price folder, at a time when silvers were worth about 20% more than they are now. It's hard to search this forum and find comparable items, but none of those really hits the mark. Here's a bit of my logic, good or bad:

The greatly fluctuating currency value, coupled with the recent changes to crit padding make it difficult to price things. Does the new crit padding system make this armor worth more or less, or not make a difference at all? I considered this before making a suggestion on value, and reached the conclusion that the new system would give all of the MCP plate armor out there a large bump in value for the next 3-4 years, simply because making an MCP set is now going to be much more difficult. What does that do to a set of armor like this? It's all supply and demand. Everyone who might have bought an MCP set is now looking at an HCP set and some slow building instead, because the MCP set got a price bump. Ultimately I don't think it's a huge factor in the short term, but I did consider it.

To me, the major contributing positive factors to price for this armor are: it's a popular ASG, padding, ensorcelment, and a large downward push on currency valuation. Negative factors are: there's quite a bit of full plate out there. The resistance is maybe a very slight negative but largely a push, because anyone who likes it can keep it and someone who doesn't can pretty easily strip it out.

Firstly, there's more demand for leather armor than there is for full plate. There are more professions in the game that will use full and double leathers than there are that can effectively use full plate. The demand is offset by the supply in this case, so they balance out pretty well. You can easily sell full plate for the same amount as double leathers.

Secondly, the value you get from ensorcell is very limited. Only extremely difficult / impossible to ensorcell items gain value from ensorcelling. If you spend 15mil to take 7x plate to T5, expect to get maybe a 5mil boost from the ensorcell to the overall value of the armor. Ensorcelling will 99% of the time cost you more than what you'll get back from the endeavor.

Finally, with the changes to padding the value is potentially reduced because (experiments still pending) it may be possible for players to enchant HCP armor to 7x on their own. Thus, you can take those 6x HCP armors that went out in mass quantities from two DRs ago, and theoretically enchant them to 7x. On top of this, the sheer number of 6x HCP armors (plate included) that are now available reduces the demand for this armor.

By no means it 7x HCP full plate worthless, but I would disagree with the evaluation that it is somehow just as valuable as 7x HCP fusion armor (of any AsG) - which generally sells for between 60 and 70 million.


2) some black leather armor reinforced across the right shoulder with a guard of darkened chainmail

+35 HCP brig with pauldron zests - max lightened to 8 pounds

MB: 40m


3) a reinforced crimson leather corselet riveted with black steel studs

+35 HCP LBP - max lightened to 8 pounds

MB: 40m

LBP, Brig. No ensorcell - maybe add 5mil.

There's dozens of examples of 7x HCP armor for sale across GS4. Unless it's fusion, voln, ithzir, heavily unlocked or something special - almost none of it has sold for more than 50mil.

[Archigeek]

Fair points. He can put it up for sale and see what happens. As I said a couple of times, it's pretty difficult to price armor these days. He asked for an opinion and I gave mine.

I'll add that ensorcelling means more to a plate wearer than it does to just about anyone else. No one was stating that paying for ensorcelling was going to somehow net you a profit, or even a wash, but that's not the same as end value on a piece of armor. He has it, I considered it in my valuation.

[Beniah]

Fair points. He can put it up for sale and see what happens. As I said a couple of times, it's pretty difficult to price armor these days. He asked for an opinion and I gave mine.

I'll add that ensorcelling means more to a plate wearer than it does to just about anyone else. No one was stating that paying for ensorcelling was going to somehow net you a profit, or even a wash, but that's not the same as end value on a piece of armor. He has it, I considered it in my valuation.

What Kerl said.

6x/T5/ML HDP or HCP full plate is currently marketing for 60 million+ silvers, based on first hand negotiating experience with multiple players. Silver valuation is far far down from what it was that pulling up sales from many months ago is almost meaningless.

This plate, however, is 7x, and has a unique look. I don't think that the added protection & negative modifier have any influence on the value whatsoever.

[SonoftheNorth]

What Kerl said.

6x/T5/ML HDP or HCP full plate is currently marketing for 60 million+ silvers, based on first hand negotiating experience with multiple players. Silver valuation is far far down from what it was that pulling up sales from many months ago is almost meaningless.

This plate, however, is 7x, and has a unique look. I don't think that the added protection & negative modifier have any influence on the value whatsoever.

I sold 6x ML HCP full plate for 23m a couple weeks ago. That's an expensive ensorcell.

[Beniah]

I sold 6x ML HCP full plate for 23m a couple weeks ago. That's an expensive ensorcell.

wow, where was that?

[Khariz]

Yeah. I was just gonna say: all that means is that you got a shit price on that set. That’s not gonna happen to me.

[SonoftheNorth]

wow, where was that?

I sold it to pathragers on lnet.

[Beniah]

I sold it to pathragers on lnet.

Damn. Well missing that one cost me and you some good coin! =(

[SonoftheNorth]

Yeah. I was just gonna say: all that means is that you got a shit price on that set. That’s not gonna happen to me.


Wasn't talking about yours, just the 6x hcp t5 ensorcelled set. 6x hcp full plate sold for 12-20k bloodscrip at that duskruin shop and a ton of sets went out so prices are obviously going to be devalued. And now wizards can bring it to 7x easily.

[Maerit]

6x/T5/ML HDP or HCP full plate is currently marketing for 60 million+ silvers, based on first hand negotiating experience with multiple players. Silver valuation is far far down from what it was that pulling up sales from many months ago is almost meaningless.r.

Who is trying to sell 6x HCP or HDP anything for 60mil? Is someone actually paying that - because that would be absurd.

You can find 6x HCP armors for sale just about every week for ~25mil due to DR.

[Beniah]

Who is trying to sell 6x HCP or HDP anything for 60mil? Is someone actually paying that - because that would be absurd.

You can find 6x HCP armors for sale just about every week for ~25mil due to DR.

Next time you see one buy it because I'll likely pay you over 40 on the spot. Nice profit!