Trump Ends DACA

[ClydeR]

In six months, which will be March of 2018, Trump will begin deporting the Dreamers. The announcement was -- politically inexplicably -- designed to stretch the termination of the program over a two year period. That means the last of the Dreamers will face deportation no later than March of 2020. Congress could stop it. But that seems less than likely. Members of Congress are already talking about immigration reform that is far more expansive, and thus far less likely to pass, than a mere fix for the Dreamers.


The Department of Homeland Security said it would no longer accept new applications for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, which has provided renewable, two-year work permits to nearly 800,000 dreamers. The agency said those enrolled in DACA will be able to continue working until their permits expire; those whose permits expire by March 5, 2018, will be permitted to apply for two-year renewals as long as they do so by Oct. 5.

New applications and renewal requests already received by DHS before Tuesday will be reviewed and validated on a case-by-case basis, even those for permits that expire after March 5, officials said. Also, the agency said it will no longer issue “advanced parole” notices allowing DACA recipients to travel abroad and reenter the country. Previously issued parole notices will be honored through their specific time period, officials said, and those who have applied for notices that have not yet been processed will receive a refund for associated fees.

More... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/09/05/trump-administration-announces-end-of-immigration-protection-program-for-dreamers/)

[ClydeR]

After AG Sessions made the announcement, Trump issued a written statement (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/05/president-donald-j-trump-restores-responsibility-and-rule-law). Then Obama issued his own written statement (https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10155227588436749).

I feel sorry for Obama that he doesn't have anywhere better to post than on Facebook. Would any of you object if I send him an e-mail telling him he can start posting here? I could have some good arguments with him.

[Wrathbringer]

After AG Sessions made the announcement, Trump issued a written statement (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/05/president-donald-j-trump-restores-responsibility-and-rule-law). Then Obama issued his own written statement (https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10155227588436749).

I feel sorry for Obama that he doesn't have anywhere better to post than on Facebook. Would any of you object if I send him an e-mail telling him he can start posting here? I could have some good arguments with him.

obama's statement = tl;dr.

[ClydeR]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJAFRTYUMAEhXKP.jpg



Whhhaaaat? Revisit?

[Candor]

(AOL) Fifteen states and the District of Columbia filed a lawsuit on Wednesday to block President Trump's decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program protecting some young undocumented immigrants from deportation who were brought to the U.S. as children.

The lawsuit was filed in the Eastern District of New York with the plaintiffs listed as New York, Massachusetts, Washington, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Virginia.

[Methais]

farts

[Wrathbringer]

sharts

[Crash187]

After AG Sessions made the announcement, Trump issued a written statement (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/05/president-donald-j-trump-restores-responsibility-and-rule-law). Then Obama issued his own written statement (https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10155227588436749).

I feel sorry for Obama that he doesn't have anywhere better to post than on Facebook. Would any of you object if I send him an e-mail telling him he can start posting here? I could have some good arguments with him.

He doesn't need a platform. For 5 years these kids (a good portion of who are over 18 now), have had the opportunity to start the process of becoming U.S. citizens. I've heard of a few who took that option but most haven't even after legal age so their parents don't get deported. So how exactly is giving someone 5 years and then actually enforcing the law a bad thing? I sort of feel bad for them but the ones that lacked any initiative to do it right while they had a grace period, I have no sympathy for.

[Wrathbringer]

lol I bet time4fun is losing her shit somewhere over this. LOL

[Tenlaar]

but most haven't even after legal age so their parents don't get deported.

How shocking that many young people wouldn't be eager to trade their parents lives for their own future.

[Crash187]

How shocking that many young people wouldn't be eager to trade their parents lives for their own future.

Their parents fucked up by not coming here legally. Everyone says why should these kids pay for it. Well we gave you a big ass grace period and you didn't take it. Actually though, once the kids became citizens their parents would have to face a 10 year deportation to come back legally and apply for citizenship. The parents wanted a better life for their kids. Their kids got it. Why should we reward the parents too without a waiting period.

[Methais]

How shocking that many young people wouldn't be eager to trade their parents lives for their own future.

This is totally America's fault right?

[Tenlaar]

Regardless even of the arguments about legal immigration and how overwhelmingly impossible it is for most people trying to get out of poverty and horrible conditions that most poor Americans can't even fathom, it's just strikes me as an inhumane stance to take that those innocent children who had no choice in coming here to begin with should be turning 18 and jumping at the chance to break their families apart and get their parents (and potentially other family) sent back to that awful poverty and horrible conditions, most likely never to return (unless it's illegally again) and possibly leaving the young person alone in this country, to secure their own future.

Can you imagine the kind of guilt that could come along with making that decision? Mexico was ranked as the second most murdery country in the world last year, I'm pretty sure. The US has about 2.5 times the population of Mexico, but Mexico had about 70% more homicides. "You didn't make the decision to come here, but now you have to make the decision to trade the lives of your family for your own or GTFO" is making the kids pay for it too, and in a truly awful way.

[Wrathbringer]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I lost waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

sigh, you just keep saying this over and over. It's getting old. Not really. :)

[Parkbandit]

Regardless even of the arguments about legal immigration and how overwhelmingly impossible it is for most people trying to get out of poverty and horrible conditions that most poor Americans can't even fathom, it's just strikes me as an inhumane stance to take that those innocent children who had no choice in coming here to begin with should be turning 18 and jumping at the chance to break their families apart and get their parents (and potentially other family) sent back to that awful poverty and horrible conditions, most likely never to return (unless it's illegally again) and possibly leaving the young person alone in this country, to secure their own future.

Can you imagine the kind of guilt that could come along with making that decision? Mexico was ranked as the second most murdery country in the world last year, I'm pretty sure. The US has about 2.5 times the population of Mexico, but Mexico had about 70% more homicides. "You didn't make the decision to come here, but now you have to make the decision to trade the lives of your family for your own or GTFO" is making the kids pay for it too, and in a truly awful way.

I'm pretty sure there are many, many countries that are worse off than the US. Should we simply open our borders and take them all in?

That's the problem with liberalism.. you don't need a brain to actually think about things.. you just have to feel.

Change the law. It's not the President's responsibility to pass laws.

President Obama tried to do this. He failed because he didn't follow the way laws are passed in this country.

[Methais]

Regardless even of the arguments about legal immigration and how overwhelmingly impossible it is for most people trying to get out of poverty and horrible conditions that most poor Americans can't even fathom, it's just strikes me as an inhumane stance to take that those innocent children who had no choice in coming here to begin with should be turning 18 and jumping at the chance to break their families apart and get their parents (and potentially other family) sent back to that awful poverty and horrible conditions, most likely never to return (unless it's illegally again) and possibly leaving the young person alone in this country, to secure their own future.

Can you imagine the kind of guilt that could come along with making that decision? Mexico was ranked as the second most murdery country in the world last year, I'm pretty sure. The US has about 2.5 times the population of Mexico, but Mexico had about 70% more homicides.

Letting them all come here sounds like a swell plan!

http://i.imgur.com/HX4Vv20.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Letting them all come here sounds like a swell plan!

http://i.imgur.com/HX4Vv20.jpg

That's hilarious.

[Neveragain]

Regardless even of the arguments about legal immigration and how overwhelmingly impossible it is for most people trying to get out of poverty and horrible conditions that most poor Americans can't even fathom, it's just strikes me as an inhumane stance to take that those innocent children who had no choice in coming here to begin with should be turning 18 and jumping at the chance to break their families apart and get their parents (and potentially other family) sent back to that awful poverty and horrible conditions, most likely never to return (unless it's illegally again) and possibly leaving the young person alone in this country, to secure their own future.

Can you imagine the kind of guilt that could come along with making that decision? Mexico was ranked as the second most murdery country in the world last year, I'm pretty sure. The US has about 2.5 times the population of Mexico, but Mexico had about 70% more homicides. "You didn't make the decision to come here, but now you have to make the decision to trade the lives of your family for your own or GTFO" is making the kids pay for it too, and in a truly awful way.

Please tell us more about something you know nothing about.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRv9YSSvtCmPuhWV8LNc6aIGDsEosLNP tCd-TA38SUVQb2bQyeh

[subzero]

Letting them all come here sounds like a swell plan!

http://i.imgur.com/HX4Vv20.jpg

That's what I love. Seeing all those stupid cocksuckers with their Mexican or whateverothershitholecountry flags stomping around here talking about how things suck here. Bitch, wrap that flag around your neck and fly back down to that country you're so proud of.

[Methais]

If dreamers are not responsible for the actions of their parents, then why are white people today responsible for what some white slave owners did 150 years ago and are asked to pay reparations?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/00/1b/1a/001b1a9f9fed6c80ba452c34d5db5662--bam-margera-viva-la.jpg

[Parkbandit]

If dreamers are not responsible for the actions of their parents, then why are white people today responsible for what some white slave owners did 150 years ago and are asked to pay reparations?



Don't try to use logic with liberals. Doesn't work.

Just use feelings.

[Ashliana]

If dreamers are not responsible for the actions of their parents, then why are white people today responsible for what some white slave owners did 150 years ago and are asked to pay reparations?

One, the purpose of reparations is to help address the lingering consequences of slavery, which exist to this day in the form of various inequalities. Not to arbitrarily punish the descendants of those slaveowners. Most people didn't own slaves.

Two, I'm pretty sure you've never paid a penny in your life towards reparations, either in the form of any kind of tax or willful donating to such a cause.

Incidentally, I don't support the notion of "reparations" as argued by many, in the forms of cash payments to individuals, but efforts to help the underprivileged as a whole -- which are disproportionately black -- I absolutely support, regardless of race. Society itself unquestionably benefited from the exploitation of slaves, and those eventually-freed-but-disadvantaged slaves, and their disadvantaged descendants, deserve that inequality to be addressed, as it persists today, as you say, 150 years later. It's not "white people whose ancestors owned slaves" that are responsible; it's American society that's responsible.

[Wrathbringer]

One, the purpose of reparations is to help address the lingering consequences of slavery, which exist to this day in the form of various inequalities. Not to arbitrarily punish the descendants of those slaveowners. Most people didn't own slaves.

Two, I'm pretty sure you've never paid a penny in your life towards reparations, either in the form of any kind of tax or willful donating to such a cause.

Incidentally, I don't support the notion of "reparations" as argued by many, in the forms of cash payments to individuals, but efforts to help the underprivileged as a whole -- which are disproportionately black -- I absolutely support, regardless of race. Society itself unquestionably benefited from the exploitation of slaves, and those eventually-freed-but-disadvantaged slaves, and their disadvantaged descendants, deserve that inequality to be addressed, as it persists today, as you say, 150 years later. It's not "white people whose ancestors owned slaves" that are responsible; it's American society that's responsible.

This is retarded.

[Ashliana]

This is retarded.

Which part? In what way? Oh. What's that? Can't scrounge up an independent thought?

Yeah. Didn't think so.

[Neveragain]

One, the purpose of reparations is to help address the lingering consequences of slavery, which exist to this day in the form of various inequalities. Not to arbitrarily punish the descendants of those slaveowners. Most people didn't own slaves.

Two, I'm pretty sure you've never paid a penny in your life towards reparations, either in the form of any kind of tax or willful donating to such a cause.

Incidentally, I don't support the notion of "reparations" as argued by many, in the forms of cash payments to individuals, but efforts to help the underprivileged as a whole -- which are disproportionately black -- I absolutely support, regardless of race. Society itself unquestionably benefited from the exploitation of slaves, and those eventually-freed-but-disadvantaged slaves, and their disadvantaged descendants, deserve that inequality to be addressed, as it persists today, as you say, 150 years later. It's not "white people whose ancestors owned slaves" that are responsible; it's American society that's responsible.

I have an ancestor that was killed because she was a "witch", I also have ancestors that were murdered because they were Mormon. Give me free stuff now!

[Parkbandit]

One, the purpose of reparations is to help address the lingering consequences of slavery, which exist to this day in the form of various inequalities. Not to arbitrarily punish the descendants of those slaveowners. Most people didn't own slaves.

Two, I'm pretty sure you've never paid a penny in your life towards reparations, either in the form of any kind of tax or willful donating to such a cause.

I'm sure you haven't donated a penny either.. but then again, this is the Internet.. I'm sure you can come up with a nice fictional story so you don't look like the flaming hypocrite you are.



Incidentally, I don't support the notion of "reparations" as argued by many, in the forms of cash payments to individuals, but efforts to help the underprivileged as a whole -- which are disproportionately black -- I absolutely support, regardless of race. Society itself unquestionably benefited from the exploitation of slaves, and those eventually-freed-but-disadvantaged slaves, and their disadvantaged descendants, deserve that inequality to be addressed, as it persists today, as you say, 150 years later. It's not "white people whose ancestors owned slaves" that are responsible; it's American society that's responsible.

So.. who should pay these "reparations"? Just families that were in the US prior to 1865? Just white families? Do we look at their skin color to determine how much they owe.. or should we do some ancestor search on everyone to make sure they aren't like 1/32nd black?

If I can prove my family came to the US in 1870, am I exempt?

[Ashliana]

I'm sure you haven't donated a penny either.. but then again, this is the Internet.. I'm sure you can come up with a nice fictional story so you don't look like the flaming hypocrite you are.

:rofl: I never claimed or implied to have donated. In fact, I explicitly said "I don't support reparations as argued by many," specifically the notion of cash payments. That is, however, what most people generally think of. But okay, PB. You're desperately clinging to a fictional straw man you set up. Have fun with that.



So.. who should pay these "reparations"? Just families that were in the US prior to 1865? Just white families? Do we look at their skin color to determine how much they owe.. or should we do some ancestor search on everyone to make sure they aren't like 1/32nd black?

If I can prove my family came to the US in 1870, am I exempt?

I already said: Society. Not individuals, not the descendants of those slave-owners. Regardless of whose family most directly benefited, much of the entire southern economy, in way or another, rested upon slavery, and the impact to the slave population, both in terms of the slaves themselves, but more importantly in 2017, their descendants, it's society that owes them a debt.

And I already said, my way of addressing existing inequality would be a larger effort to help the underprivileged as a whole regardless of race. But thanks for proving, as always, that your reading comprehension and general intellect are as ridiculously poor as I've always asserted.

[Neveragain]

:rofl: I never claimed or implied to have donated. In fact, I explicitly said "I don't support reparations as argued by many," specifically the notion of cash payments. That is, however, what most people generally think of. But okay, PB. You're desperately clinging to a fictional straw man you set up. Have fun with that.




I already said: Society. Not individuals, not the descendants of those slave-owners. Regardless of whose family most directly benefited, much of the entire southern economy, in way or another, rested upon slavery, and the impact to the slave population, both in terms of the slaves themselves, but more importantly in 2017, their descendants,, it's society that owes them a debt.

And I already said, my way of addressing existing inequality would be a larger effort to help the underprivileged as a whole regardless of race. But thanks for proving, as always, that your reading comprehension and general intellect are as ridiculously poor as I've always asserted.

Then by all means go help, nothing is stopping you. Rush on over to the south side of Chicago and tell them you're here to help. Be the change!

[Wrathbringer]

Which part? In what way? Oh. What's that? Can't scrounge up an independent thought?

Yeah. Didn't think so.

lol @ your rep

[Tenlaar]

Please tell us more about something you know nothing about.

Please enlighten me, which part is it that I'm wrong about? The length, complexity, and inaccessibility of the immigration process to most poor Mexicans? That going through the process for legal citizenship is admitting to the government that your family came here illegally and can involve handing their address to DHS, which is a common dilemma for people applying?

Or did you just want to go "nuh uhh you're wrong!!" because you feel that I am?

[Parkbandit]

:rofl: I never claimed or implied to have donated. In fact, I explicitly said "I don't support reparations as argued by many," specifically the notion of cash payments. That is, however, what most people generally think of. But okay, PB. You're desperately clinging to a fictional straw man you set up. Have fun with that.

I already said: Society. Not individuals, not the descendants of those slave-owners. Regardless of whose family most directly benefited, much of the entire southern economy, in way or another, rested upon slavery, and the impact to the slave population, both in terms of the slaves themselves, but more importantly in 2017, their descendants, it's society that owes them a debt.

And I already said, my way of addressing existing inequality would be a larger effort to help the underprivileged as a whole regardless of race. But thanks for proving, as always, that your reading comprehension and general intellect are as ridiculously poor as I've always asserted.

Wait.. so your opinion is that reparations are dumb.. that we should instead just help the underprivileged regardless of what race they are?

Aren't we already doing that via all the entitlement programs we spend money on?

Also, I'm very disappointed in the lack of bold and underlines in your response. It makes me believe you aren't serious about it.

[Parkbandit]

Please enlighten me, which part is it that I'm wrong about? The length, complexity, and inaccessibility of the immigration process to most poor Mexicans? That going through the process for legal citizenship is admitting to the government that your family came here illegally and can involve handing their address to DHS, which is a common dilemma for people applying?

Or did you just want to go "nuh uhh you're wrong!!" because you feel that I am?

Probably about the absolute lack of logic in your argument.

[subzero]

One, the purpose of reparations is to help address the lingering consequences of slavery, which exist to this day in the form of various inequalities. Not to arbitrarily punish the descendants of those slaveowners. Most people didn't own slaves.

Two, I'm pretty sure you've never paid a penny in your life towards reparations, either in the form of any kind of tax or willful donating to such a cause.

Incidentally, I don't support the notion of "reparations" as argued by many, in the forms of cash payments to individuals, but efforts to help the underprivileged as a whole -- which are disproportionately black -- I absolutely support, regardless of race. Society itself unquestionably benefited from the exploitation of slaves, and those eventually-freed-but-disadvantaged slaves, and their disadvantaged descendants, deserve that inequality to be addressed, as it persists today, as you say, 150 years later. It's not "white people whose ancestors owned slaves" that are responsible; it's American society that's responsible.

I wanted the last skit on reparations where they were reporting that the black people are all back to being broke because they were in a rush to give their money back to the white man, but most of that shit is copyright blocked so this will have to do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRZN7IzvCVs


I have an ancestor that was killed because she was a "witch", I also have ancestors that were murdered because they were Mormon. Give me free stuff now!

Shit, I'm part Native American! I want my casino cut, but fuck that reservation noise. I want my piece, bitches!

[Neveragain]

Please enlighten me, which part is it that I'm wrong about? The length, complexity, and inaccessibility of the immigration process to most poor Mexicans? That going through the process for legal citizenship is admitting to the government that your family came here illegally and can involve handing their address to DHS, which is a common dilemma for people applying?

Or did you just want to go "nuh uhh you're wrong!!" because you feel that I am?

It's not that you're wrong or right. It's that we have poor citizens already, you'r audacity to basically say "Sorry homeless American's you're just not poor enough so we are going to add more poor people for you to compete with in the job market. Suck it!" is pretty shitty to be honest.

[Neveragain]

Shit, I'm part Native American! I want my casino cut, but fuck that reservation noise. I want my piece, bitches!

I'll trade you some of my paper reparations for some of your reservation land, sound like a deal? :devilsmile:

[~Rocktar~]

I'll trade you some of my paper reparations for some of your reservation land, sound like a deal? :devilsmile:

Except for the fact that for the most part, Indians on reservations don't own their own land, it's in a Federal government trust. They can't sell it, can't pass it on and a whole bunch of other inane restrictions.

[Neveragain]

Except for the fact that for the most part, Indians on reservations don't own their own land, it's in a Federal government trust. They can't sell it, can't pass it on and a whole bunch of other inane restrictions.

You're right, I should get permission from the government the next time I score some grass.

[subzero]

I'll trade you some of my paper reparations for some of your reservation land, sound like a deal? :devilsmile:

I don't want anything to do with the reservation, damnit! Currently, among other things, it's basically no reservation life = no casino cash. I just want my casino dough.

[~Rocktar~]

I don't want anything to do with the reservation, damnit! Currently, among other things, it's basically no reservation life = no casino cash. I just want my casino dough.

Who doesn't want casino dough?

[Crash187]

Who doesn't want casino dough?

Roulette, learn to clock the wheel and the dealer spinning, just don't be obvious about it. Can get all the casino dough you want.

[subzero]

Who doesn't want casino dough?

Non-natives don't count. Gimme my injin reparations!

[ClydeR]

Trump didn't have a deal with Chuck and Nancy after all..


Before agreeing to provide legal status for 800,000 young immigrants brought here illegally as children, Mr. Trump will insist on the construction of a wall across the southern border, the hiring of 10,000 immigration agents, tougher laws for those seeking asylum and denial of federal grants to “sanctuary cities,” officials said.

The White House is also demanding the use of the E-Verify program by companies to keep illegal immigrants from getting jobs, an end to people bringing their extended family into the United States, and a hardening of the border against thousands of children fleeing violence in Central America. Such a move would shut down loopholes that encourage parents from Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to send their children illegally into the United States, where many of them melt into American communities and become undocumented immigrants.

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/08/us/politics/white-house-daca.html)

[~Rocktar~]

So, there is this:


The Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund circulated a memo on Monday calling illegal immigrants brought here at a young age — so-called “Dreamers” — a “critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success.”

The memo, co-authored by former Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri, was sent around to allies calling on Democrats to “refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers and instead appropriate funds to deport them.”

https://www.chicksonright.com/2018/01/09/leaked-memo-democrats-want-daca-because-its-a-critical-component-of-the-democratic-partys-future-electoral-success/