Who here is stupid?

[Gelston]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20769928_10155519522327808_4813128597898132346_n.j pg?oh=167277163ffd3a55d7d4dbddf377d2fb&oe=59F02A84

[Tgo01]

Yes, turn around and go with the flow of the conveyor belt.

[Soulance]

The power is not actually in the wheels of the plane though, it's from the thrust. It needs some kind of wind coming at it for lift under the wings...

[hello]

No. It needs to actually move through the air, if it isn't going anywhere it's not doing this.

[Tisket]

Yes.

[Seizer]

Yes. The wings will generate the lift needed to achieve takeoff.

[hello]

god you people are fucktards.

[drauz]

If the plane remains stationary on the treadmill, then no.

[hello]

If the plane remains stationary on the treadmill, then no.

STFU drauz, everyone knows you're stupid. You can't even get laid, you jackiff to oorn today again too? Dumbshit.

[Gelston]

The correct answer is yes, it will take off. Thrust is provided from the engines on the wings, the wheels free spinning and are not propelling the plane at all.

[drauz]

STFU drauz, everyone knows you're stupid. You can't even get laid, you jackiff to oorn today again too? Dumbshit.

I jackoff to oorn everyday, doesn't everyone?!

[Gelston]

I jackoff to oorn everyday, doesn't everyone?!

Oorn? Makes me thing of like, flubber the movie or something.

[drauz]

The correct answer is yes, it will take off. Thrust is provided from the engines on the wings, the wheels free spinning and are not propelling the plane at all.

http://c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked/

[Gelston]

http://c-aviation.net/plane-conveyor-belt-explained-debunked/

It still says it'll take off. Either way, the wheels spin independently of the speed of the plane. Do planes crash when their wheels come off the runway? Nope.

[drauz]

It still says it'll take off. Either way, the wheels spin independently of the speed of the plane. Do planes crash when their wheels come off the runway? Nope.

Actually it says the opposite. It just says that since a conveyor belt of this type can't be made it would take off because of an unbalanced force. Your question presumes that the force is balanced. So the plane won't take off.

[Gelston]

Actually it says the opposite. It just says that since a conveyor belt of this type can't be made it would take off because of an unbalanced force. Your question presumes that the force is balanced. So the plane won't take off.

Actually, it says it is impossible in general. I don't think it is though. I think the plane would take off, because, again, the main mass of the plane doesn't give two shits about the wheels.

[Tisket]

Mythbusters proved it would take off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ul_5DtMLhc&feature=youtu.be

[drauz]

Mythbusters proved it would take off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ul_5DtMLhc&feature=youtu.be

They proved the second question is possible, from my link. Not your question though.

[Ososis]

The issue is with the wording of the question. if the conveyor "matches" the spin of the wheels then, because the plane WOULD move forward regardless of the wheels, the conveyor would have to increase speed into infinity.

[Gelston]

The issue is with the wording of the question. if the conveyor "matches" the spin of the wheels then, because the plane WOULD move forward regardless of the wheels, the conveyor would have to increase speed into infinity.

Yeah, the conveyer would speed up until the plane took off, but I don't see it actually preventing the plane from taking off.

[drauz]

Yeah, the conveyer would speed up until the plane took off, but I don't see it actually preventing the plane from taking off.

The reason the plane takes off in the mythbusters example is because the plane can still move forward which creates lift. If the plane can't move forward it will never take off. As the site I showed said "both would just increase to infinity".

So the answer is no, it will not take off.

[Tisket]

They proved the second question is possible, from my link. Not your question though.

lolwut?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/album.php?albumid=105&attachmentid=8758

[drauz]

lolwut?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/album.php?albumid=105&attachmentid=8758

The first goes like this (as depicted on the image above): “Imagine a 747 is sitting on a conveyor belt, as wide and long as a runway. The conveyor belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels, moving in the opposite direction. Can the plane take off?”
Answer: preassumptions cause this situation to be physically impossible.


Actually, this is not a process that happens in steps – all of this happens simultaneously – the plane tries to accelerate and the conveyor accelerates to keep up with the wheels. Adding to the speed of wheels. And the wheels accelerate even more. So the conveyor belt…

It lasts until wheels and conveyor belt speed reaches infinity. Or until they reach the speed of light. If you wish to know what happens then – consult the screenwriters of Start Treck or Star Wars.

The second – as shown in Mythbusters – is a little different: “An airplane cannot take off from a runway which is moving backward (like a treadmill) at a speed equal to its normal ground speed during takeoff“.

Answer: the plane will takeoff

Mythbusters was testing a similar question but not the one you posed.

[drauz]

lolwut?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/album.php?albumid=105&attachmentid=8758

Go get your 3 hours and 58 minutes of sleep!

[Gelston]

The reason the plane takes off in the mythbusters example is because the plane can still move forward which creates lift. If the plane can't move forward it will never take off. As the site I showed said "both would just increase to infinity".

So the answer is no, it will not take off.

I'm saying the plane would still move forward, because the plane doesn't actually care that its wheels are spinning. The thrust is from the wings, not the wheels.

[drauz]

I'm saying the plane would still move forward, because the plane doesn't actually care that its wheels are spinning. The thrust is from the wings, not the wheels.

Doesn't matter the plane can't move forward.

What would happen if you put a boat in a fast moving river. There is a fan that is blowing in your sails. For you to gain any headway upstream the fan would have to push harder than the river is moving. If both are the same you would look like you were anchored.

[Gelston]

Doesn't matter the plane can't move forward.

What would happen if you put a boat in a fast moving river. There is a fan that is blowing in your sails. For you to gain any headway upstream the fan would have to push harder than the river is moving. If both are the same you would look like you were anchored.

I'm saying the plane WOULD move forward. It DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE WHEELS turning. Wheels play NO PART at all in propelling or slowing the plane or any of that during take offs.

The boat is totally different, because the boat is INSIDE the water. The plane is ON TOP of the runway.

[Tisket]

This is the stupidest debate of all time.

[Gelston]

This is the stupidest debate of all time.

Impossible, there is no lady's shoes involved.

[drauz]

I'm saying the plane WOULD move forward. It DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE WHEELS turning. Wheels play NO PART at all in propelling or slowing the plane or any of that during take offs.

The boat is totally different, because the boat is INSIDE the water. The plane is ON TOP of the runway.

The boat is on top of the water...

How it is propelled doesn't matter. If whatever connects it to the conveyor belt goes the same speed as the conveyor belt it will stay in place. Since a airplane requires lift to take off and that requires moving. You will not take off.

The wheel don't play a part in propelling it but that doesn't matter. Its not going anywhere.

[Gelston]

The boat is on top of the water...

How it is propelled doesn't matter. If whatever connects it to the conveyor belt goes the same speed as the conveyor belt it will stay in place. Since a airplane requires lift to take off and that requires moving. You will not take off.

The wheel don't play a part in propelling it but that doesn't matter. Its not going anywhere.

No, the boat's hull is within and surrounded by the water and cuts through it as it moves., and yes, the wheel is going somewhere, forward and up as the plane takes off.

And does anyone even consider that the conveyor belt moving itself would create wind that would also create lift for the plane?

[drauz]

This is the stupidest debate of all time.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/aIPjjUKfcbgvS/giphy.gif

[Tisket]

Impossible, there is no lady's shoes involved.

Shoes elevate any conversation.

[Gelston]

Shoes elevate any conversation.

Into stupidest ever? Agreed!

[Tisket]

Into stupidest ever? Agreed!

Crazy talk.

Shoes rule.

[Tisket]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?45455-Shoes-Shoes-Shoes&highlight=Shoes

[Tisket]

Go get your 3 hours and 58 minutes of sleep!

I just got this comment. Lolol.

[Gelston]

I just got this comment. Lolol.

Heels are sexist appropriation from males.

[drauz]

Crazy talk.

Shoes rule.

http://i.imgur.com/LsHAinn.gif

[Tisket]

This is some kind of reverse psychology trick to get me to pose your character in heels.

I'm on to you, bub.

[drauz]

This is some kind of reverse psychology trick to get me to pose your character in heels.

I'm on to you, bub.

You're to lazy, and I know it!

[Tisket]

You're to lazy, and I know it!

Too.

[Gelston]

This is some kind of reverse psychology trick to get me to pose your character in heels.

I'm on to you, bub.

My character is not a cavalryman d00d.

[drauz]

Too.

http://i.imgur.com/ZawWSUD.gif

[Tisket]

lol

[Stumplicker]

I'm late to the party, but:

Setting aside the fact that a jet engine gains additional thrust from having air pushed into the intakes via movement (Thank you Kerbal Explosion Simulator), assuming the turbines generate enough thrust for takeoff, of course the answer is no...a 747 cannot take off like a harrier jet, no matter how much you wish it Gelston. Movement generates lift. If there is no movement, there is no lift. Not even if the engines were pointed straight upward. They'd have to be much, much stronger engines. The engines make the plane move forward fast enough that air assists the wings in generating lift, and then the engines keep it moving forward fast enough to keep generating that lift. Can't run on engines alone without lift.

Unless you change the question, which is what I think you think you've done but haven't.

[Tgo01]

It's a silly question anyways because if planes were on treadmills so often they would get too skinny to carry any passengers.

[Ososis]

The assumption that the plane wouldn't move because the wheels are spinning backwards is incorrect.

[C.Difficile]

Discussed this during a MENSA roundtable.

So the first key is to not get wrapped around the axle with the problem set. Reword the treadmill and wheels part to say "the plane will be completely stationary", will it take off?

Now, find a similar situation where the same principle applies. Here's one: you're on a treadmill holding a kite. Your legs are moving at the speed of sound on the treadmilll, which is also set to the speed of sound and you are not moving anywhere (the purpose of a treadmill). Will the kite fly?

Like some posters here, I agree that yes, the kite doesn't give two shits about how fast your legs are moving, just like the wings of the plane don't rely on the wheels for thrust. The two are indirectly related though: the kite's lift is indirectly related to your legs in out in the real world in that your legs generate forward motion and that's what enables the kite to generate lift. The same principle (in a mechanically more complex way) applies to the plane; for the wings to generate lift, it must be affected by the movement of air above and below, which is indirectly generated by the forward movement from the wheels.

[subzero]

This is the stupidest debate of all time.

I could see it maybe having some value if using a belt would significantly reduce the distance a plane needs to travel in order to take off, but I'm not sure that it would.

[Tisket]

Discussed this during a MENSA roundtable.

Oh do shut up, you giant gaping cunt.

[Wrathbringer]

Oh do shut up, you giant gaping cunt.

Lol

[Tisket]

Discussed this during a MENSA roundtable.

This says everything I think when I see someone brag about being in MENSA: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/08/31/a-thing-not-to-do-when-youre-smart/

Also, leading with that usually means most people stop reading whatever bullshit you are getting ready to vomit up.

[Gelston]

I'm late to the party, but:

Setting aside the fact that a jet engine gains additional thrust from having air pushed into the intakes via movement (Thank you Kerbal Explosion Simulator), assuming the turbines generate enough thrust for takeoff, of course the answer is no...a 747 cannot take off like a harrier jet, no matter how much you wish it Gelston. Movement generates lift. If there is no movement, there is no lift. Not even if the engines were pointed straight upward. They'd have to be much, much stronger engines. The engines make the plane move forward fast enough that air assists the wings in generating lift, and then the engines keep it moving forward fast enough to keep generating that lift. Can't run on engines alone without lift.

Unless you change the question, which is what I think you think you've done but haven't.

There would STILL BE MOVEMENT. Planes are not propelled by their wheels.

[Stumplicker]

There would STILL BE MOVEMENT. Planes are not propelled by their wheels.

The question states: The conveyor belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels.

If the wheels are turning the exact same speed as the conveyor belt, there is no forward movement. That's the part you're not gettin'. The jet engines work to increase the speed of the wheels, but the conveyor belt matches it as per the terms of the question posed. Without any forward movement, there is no lift, and no getting off the ground. The only hope would be to change the power of the engines on a 747 to be able to vertical takeoff like a harrier...which is minimum 735,000 pounds per google on a 747 (A harrier comes in around 26,000 max takeoff capacity). I doubt jet turbines powerful enough to vertical lift 735,000 pounds exist, but if they did, that's the only hope for the scenario as posed.

[Gelston]

The question states: The conveyor belt is designed to exactly match the speed of the wheels.

If the wheels are turning the exact same speed as the conveyor belt, there is no forward movement. That's the part you're not gettin'. The jet engines work to increase the speed of the wheels, but the conveyor belt matches it as per the terms of the question posed.

The plane doesn't care about the tires spinning. Those only exist because the plane has to have contact with the ground during take off, landing, and when it isn't flying, because it can't hover like star wars things.

[Stumplicker]

The plane doesn't care about the tires spinning. Those only exist because the plane has to have contact with the ground during take off, landing, and when it isn't flying, because it can't hover like star wars things.

How then do you suppose the plane will move forward prior to achieving flight, if not by the wheels? In order to achieve lift.

[Gelston]

How then do you suppose the plane will move forward prior to achieving flight, if not by the wheels? In order to achieve lift.

The engines on the wings propel it.

[Stumplicker]

The engines on the wings propel it.

Gravity exists. The jet engine pushes it forward and gravity pushes it downward at 9.8ms^2. The downward causes the wheels to be necessary in the equation. And the wheels are being pushed backwards as fast as the engine pushes forward, again, per the terms of the question.

[Crash187]

6 pages and no one realizes Gelston is trolling the fuck out of y'all. You guys are slacking.

[Ososis]

6 pages and no one realizes Gelston is trolling the fuck out of y'all. You guys are slacking.

Get on your main account or keep your opinions up your own ass.

[Ososis]

Got this rep from Stumplicker, not sure if this is a false sig for steve, or if he is actually NAMED steve. Either way, thanks for the feedback.
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[Stumplicker]

Got this rep from Stumplicker, not sure if this is a false sig for steve, or if he is actually NAMED steve. Either way, thanks for the feedback.
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My name is Gladiator.

[Kobold]

Ososis stop being a faget

[Methais]

Airports should have giant treadmills instead of runways.

I'm also disappointed that this wasn't a poll with PC poster names on it.

[Tisket]

Got this rep from Stumplicker, not sure if this is a false sig for steve, or if he is actually NAMED steve. Either way, thanks for the feedback.
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Nice catch. Wesley is a twat who loves creating new handles.

[Androidpk]

Nice catch. Wesley is a twat who loves creating new handles.

I wouldn't be surprised if that moron is the macgyver/hello troll.

[Tisket]

I wouldn't be surprised if that moron is the macgyver/hello troll.

Nah, hello/macgyver doesn't use enough words per post to be Wesley.

[Crash187]

Get on your main account or keep your opinions up your own ass.

This is my only account pumpkin. I've got enough troubles without having to worry about multiple personalities.

[patrickoq88]

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Your mom left her dog collar at my house again.

[Methais]

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[Gelston]

Oh, this is the airplane conveyor belt thing.

[Methais]

Oh, this is the airplane conveyor belt thing.

Yes.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ECdZd74fAe4/maxresdefault.jpg

[tash]

Na, too far gone.

[Bryce]

Yes. The wings will generate the lift needed to achieve takeoff.

It is now 2021 (3+ years since your post) and still scientists can not agree on what generates the aerodynamic lift force. They did narrow it down to two theories of which neither have been proven. It is kind of funny that people on Playerscorner (nor scientists) have yet to figured it out.


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[Methais]

It is now 2021 (3+ years since your post) and still scientists can not agree on what generates the aerodynamic lift force. They did narrow it down to two theories of which neither have been proven. It is kind of funny that people on Playerscorner (nor scientists) have yet to figured it out.


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Maybe it's magic.

[Wizardstrikes3]

did you know if you mix a wizard, a rabbit, and a songwriter together that you get 24 carrot magic