Which classes are scrub-tier friendly?

[Astray]

I may have some people coming in and I'm trying to figure out what classes are scrub friendly. Input welcome.

I know that Warriors and Paladins are the basic melee starters and Sorcerers are walking nukes later on.

[hello]

I may have some people coming in and I'm trying to figure out what classes are scrub friendly. Input welcome.

I know that Warriors and Paladins are the basic melee starters and Sorcerers are walking nukes later on.

It depends if they will be subbing or coming in as F2P. It changes dramatically between the two due to some abilities being severly limited or outright blocked without any practical way to unlock.

[Taernath]

Starting out, pures are annoying due to mana issues and 1700 helps only a little bit.

I'd say paladins or rangers, you can melee well AND you have some spells to play with.

[hello]

Starting out, pures are annoying due to mana issues and 1700 helps only a little bit.

I'd say paladins or rangers, you can melee well AND you have some spells to play with.

A lot of your spells will be blocked as a ranger though (again if going F2P).

[peam]

I think everything except maybe empath, bard, and monks are pretty accessible.

The learning curve for the game is steep AF regardless of which class you start out.

[hello]

I think everything except maybe empath, bard, and monks are pretty accessible.

The learning curve for the game is steep AF regardless of which class you start out.

Empaths are very difficult to level as F2P, Bards are probably the worst F2P class since you won't be able to cast any spells, and monks...are actually the most F2P friendly... which doesn't say much as they suck as a class.

[Astray]

I think everything except maybe empath, bard, and monks are pretty accessible.

The learning curve for the game is steep AF regardless of which class you start out.

Bard seems pretty easy, all things considered. I think they are kind of like Paladins though. Mediocre until they hit their stride.

[Taernath]

Bard seems pretty easy, all things considered. I think they are kind of like Paladins though. Mediocre until they hit their stride.

I'd imagine spellsongs and multisong penalty are annoying for new players, though.

[Astray]

I'd imagine spellsongs and multisong penalty are annoying for new players, though.

True.

[Gelston]

Warrior is going to be the easiest to learn, I think, and is a great starter class to get to know the basic GS stuff as.

[Ososis]

All classes suck at low level, which is why going max STR/DEX/AGI/THW and swinging a claid is probably the best way to get some training under your belt in any walk of life. Especially as F2P can ONLY get such high weighting from naturally weighted weapons. Sucks from an RP standpoint, but it is what it is.

Also I think the Spider Charm giftbox is available to everyone who is subbed prior to aug 31, which would be a helpful kickstart.

[hello]

Still haven't mentioned if F2P or Sub. Again, it all depends on this distinction, you just can't have a debate on this without knowing this tidbit.

[Ososis]

Warrior is going to be the easiest to learn, I think, and is a great starter class to get to know the basic GS stuff as.

I was in the 30-day trial when my warrior switched to F2P. As I recall the only restrictions I felt were 2hour armor support instead of 4hour and lack of warrior guild. (plus the basics of no lumnis, crap XP after 10, crap forage/skin skill, no society, etc) Which all things considered seemed pretty mild compared to the restrictions of other classes woes I have been told.

[Mogonis]

Definitely warrior, but possibly rogue as well. Stats and skills for THW and hack shit. Don't even have to change skills at level 20.

[hello]

I was in the 30-day trial when my warrior switched to F2P. As I recall the only restrictions I felt were 2hour armor support instead of 4hour and lack of warrior guild. (plus the basics of no lumnis, crap XP after 10, crap forage/skin skill, no society, etc) Which all things considered seemed pretty mild compared to the restrictions of other classes woes I have been told.

Being completely barred from the warrior's guild is "mild". What the fuck are you smoking?

Try playing one past 30-days you're going to feel that shit.

[Astray]

It's pretty much all in the air right now. I'm not sure who may be joining (if anyone) but a few people from my D&D group / hangout spot seemed interested. I'll know for sure by next week, lol.

Thanks for the input though.

[hello]

It's pretty much all in the air right now. I'm not sure who may be joining (if anyone) but a few people from my D&D group / hangout spot seemed interested. I'll know for sure by next week, lol.

Thanks for the input though.

You're gay?

[Ososis]

Being completely barred from the warrior's guild is "mild". What the fuck are you smoking?

Try playing one past 30-days you're going to feel that shit.

So now you are advocating the warriors guild? strange...

So, I may be the only person like this. But, don't you get turned off playing warriors because of the Warrior Guild? The WG is like an EPIC chore and my eye's glaze over just by thinking about doing it. I was like "man, I'm saturated I should probably work on my guild stuff, then I just logged off because the though sickened me."
Not having access to guilds sucks, but is a constant across all F2P, so in comparing them is a wash.
Please stop commenting on mechanics like you understand them, thanks.

[Astray]

So now you are advocating the warriors guild? strange... http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?110177-I-don-t-want-to-play-a-warrior-because-of-the-WG!&highlight=
Not having access to guilds sucks, but is a constant across all F2P, so in comparing them is a wash.
Please stop commenting on mechanics like you understand them, thanks.

I have him blocked because he's such an immense faggot.

[Gelston]

I have him blocked because he's such an immense faggot.

I approve of this message.

[hello]

So now you are advocating the warriors guild? strange...

Not having access to guilds sucks, but is a constant across all F2P, so in comparing them is a wash.
Please stop commenting on mechanics like you understand them, thanks.

WTF are you talking about. Warrior's guild is like 90% of a warrior's power. Berserk, Wtrick feint, Warcries are all staples especially at the 6.3 levels at mastery.

How is it a constant? Bards don't have a guild, no empath guild or pure guilds worth anything. Rogues have a guild but are much less crucial to the class' power than warriors.

[hello]

Astray and Gelston are gay lovers. It's OK Gelston, after a fruitless search for a mate you can always do your 3.5 pull ups for Astray.

[Astray]

Os, if you could not have that little nothing of a sub-human derail my thread with obvious bait, that'd be super. Thanks bro.

[Ososis]

I have him blocked because he's such an immense faggot.

Sweet, then I won't bother correcting his nonsense here then. +1

[hello]

Sweet, then I won't bother correcting his nonsense here then. +1

Because there's nothing to correct, little faggot.

[Astray]

Sweet, then I won't bother correcting his nonsense here then. +1

Thank you.

[Viekn]

Starting out, pures are annoying due to mana issues and 1700 helps only a little bit.

I'd say paladins or rangers, you can melee well AND you have some spells to play with.

+1 to this.

[Astray]

Yeah, i heard you the first time?

That was late! Ignore it!

[Maerit]

I feel like you guys have very limited F2P experience...

From easiest to hardest:
1. Paladin (far and away the easiest)
2. Wizard (warmages destroy as F2P, use UAC)
3. Ranger (sniper, soooo easy, 10x weapons for F2P)
4. Rogue (UAC ambushing)
5. Sorcerer
6. Monk (1207 is awesome for F2P)
7. Cleric
8. Warrior (with outside spells, this can be better than monk, but since you can't wear heavy armor early, they are not easy)
9. Empath (mana starved early on, spell limitations, healing limits)
10. Bard (slowest leveling, weak D'S without outside spells, songs disabled by F2P, mana management issues early on -- very boring in early levels)

[Astray]

I feel like you guys have very limited F2P experience...

From easiest to hardest:
1. Paladin (far and away the easiest)
2. Wizard (warmages destroy as F2P, use UAC)
3. Ranger (sniper, soooo easy, 10x weapons for F2P)
4. Rogue (UAC ambushing)
5. Sorcerer
6. Monk (1207 is awesome for F2P)
7. Cleric
8. Warrior (with outside spells, this can be better than monk, but since you can't wear heavy armor early, they are not easy)
9. Empath (mana starved early on, spell limitations, healing limits)
10. Bard (slowest leveling, weak D'S without outside spells, songs disabled by F2P, mana management issues early on -- very boring in early levels)

Ouch.

[Viekn]

Warrior is going to be the easiest to learn, I think, and is a great starter class to get to know the basic GS stuff as.

If you're going to be based in landing and attend Dreavenings, doing anything but pures and a bard (because of the aforementioned spell song mechanics) is going to be the easiest. That being said, if anyone plans to stick around past level 20, just swing a weapon as a pure up until level 25/30 then after that I find pures much easier. There's no stance dancing, there's no setup to be done as far as a cman's and stuff. You just set a Stormfront macro or script and blast the shit out of stuff.

[Ososis]

I feel like you guys have very limited F2P experience...

From easiest to hardest:
1. Paladin (far and away the easiest)
2. Wizard (warmages destroy as F2P, use UAC)
3. Ranger (sniper, soooo easy, 10x weapons for F2P)
4. Rogue (UAC ambushing)
5. Sorcerer
6. Monk (1207 is awesome for F2P)
7. Cleric
8. Warrior (with outside spells, this can be better than monk, but since you can't wear heavy armor early, they are not easy)
9. Empath (mana starved early on, spell limitations, healing limits)
10. Bard (slowest leveling, weak D'S without outside spells, songs disabled by F2P, mana management issues early on -- very boring in early levels)


Warriors are one of the hardest F2P's because they can't wear heavy armor?

[Astrgay]

Ouch.

That you Astray?
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Are you gay? Serious question; no homo.

[n0551n3n0m1n3]

Rogues are always fun, you can do anything and its fun. First 19.99 levels you can fixskill at will so you can fixskill up to 107/406 and spell up, then fixskill back to using a weapon. Locksmithing is fun and interactive, even self hunting(f2p restriction), being able to ambush with ease is super fun, 3x dodge and you can do the Peter Griffin "Can't Touch Me" dance. Warriors are easy, grab a big sword and some heavy armor and just smash shit. Clerics are nice, you can go pure or swing and undead are stupid easy hunting. Wizards....people say mana is an issue, but thats if you're a total idiot. I have leveled 8 wizards as pure and 2 as THW claid warmages and I have to say that from 0-28 trains its 100,000 times easier to bolt undead, than swing at living critters. Once you get 1 full mind, if you hunt at 50-60% mind you will fry prior to running out of mana(I also 2x HP for the first 10 trains before letting it even out at 1x around 20-22 trains.). 901 and 1700 are your best friends before you hit 9-11 trains and can sustain a 903 hunt. Start at 2 trains(sprite quest+thrak/dabbings+DIR locations) hunting lesser shades/ghouls, then around 6-7 trains move to spectres, after you can keep up the DS in guarded to sustain them, hunt wraiths then zombies. If you need to wights and tree spirits are viable, but the boil will melt your legs off without HCP+ on your legs. Bards,rangers,sorcerers,empaths,and monks are all great, but tend to require a lot more thought into how you build them. Paladins are easy enough, you get sanctified so undead are easy, and the spells are good, but it only kills shit. It does NOTHING else(sure consecrate, group buffs, and shield fun but seriously its all about the killing). If me and a couple friends were getting together to start new as newbs, Id probably try it like a DnD game, have everyone chose from rogue/warrior/wizard/cleric for a balanced group, then go out and form a troupe and have fun. That is the point of playing games, have fun. As a solo noob, I went with what I wanted to be, a giantman rogue...who since then has been lost...and it was tons of fun(of course we are talking 21ish years ago when shit was real). Now my new alts tend to be elves or dark elves as I enjoy the RP a whole lot better, and mechanically they are the best(DE for ranged/bolting and elf for melee[5 second lance with no enhancives...fucking right]). Now that the rant is over, remember, its all about fun, and for the most part its a very easy game in prime.

[Gelston]

Sweet text wall.

[Astray]

Rogues are always fun, you can do anything and its fun. First 19.99 levels you can fixskill at will so you can fixskill up to 107/406 and spell up, then fixskill back to using a weapon. Locksmithing is fun and interactive, even self hunting(f2p restriction), being able to ambush with ease is super fun, 3x dodge and you can do the Peter Griffin "Can't Touch Me" dance. Warriors are easy, grab a big sword and some heavy armor and just smash shit. Clerics are nice, you can go pure or swing and undead are stupid easy hunting. Wizards....people say mana is an issue, but thats if you're a total idiot. I have leveled 8 wizards as pure and 2 as THW claid warmages and I have to say that from 0-28 trains its 100,000 times easier to bolt undead, than swing at living critters. Once you get 1 full mind, if you hunt at 50-60% mind you will fry prior to running out of mana(I also 2x HP for the first 10 trains before letting it even out at 1x around 20-22 trains.). 901 and 1700 are your best friends before you hit 9-11 trains and can sustain a 903 hunt. Start at 2 trains(sprite quest+thrak/dabbings+DIR locations) hunting lesser shades/ghouls, then around 6-7 trains move to spectres, after you can keep up the DS in guarded to sustain them, hunt wraiths then zombies. If you need to wights and tree spirits are viable, but the boil will melt your legs off without HCP+ on your legs. Bards,rangers,sorcerers,empaths,and monks are all great, but tend to require a lot more thought into how you build them. Paladins are easy enough, you get sanctified so undead are easy, and the spells are good, but it only kills shit. It does NOTHING else(sure consecrate, group buffs, and shield fun but seriously its all about the killing). If me and a couple friends were getting together to start new as newbs, Id probably try it like a DnD game, have everyone chose from rogue/warrior/wizard/cleric for a balanced group, then go out and form a troupe and have fun. That is the point of playing games, have fun. As a solo noob, I went with what I wanted to be, a giantman rogue...who since then has been lost...and it was tons of fun(of course we are talking 21ish years ago when shit was real). Now my new alts tend to be elves or dark elves as I enjoy the RP a whole lot better, and mechanically they are the best(DE for ranged/bolting and elf for melee[5 second lance with no enhancives...fucking right]). Now that the rant is over, remember, its all about fun, and for the most part its a very easy game in prime.

That kind of hurt my eyes but thanks for the input.

[n0551n3n0m1n3]

That kind of hurt my eyes but thanks for the input.

Yeah phones suck when typing rants. At least it is more informative than hello could ever plagiarize

[peam]

0-28 trains its 100,000 times easier to bolt undead, than swing at living critters..


100% on board with this sentiment. I will never understand why people insist on swinging a claidh with a wizard post level 6.

At level 6, you WILL have enough mana to hunt snow spectres.

I typically do:

0-6 - swing OHE in rats
6-12 - 903 spectres
12-16 - 903 fire guardians/firephantoms in SOL (Do CoL in this time frame)
16-25 - 906 wood wights/woodsmen - wights can boil but typically die to one cast of 906
25+ - wherever you may roam.

[Astray]

100% on board with this sentiment. I will never understand why people insist on swinging a claidh with a wizard post level 6.

At level 6, you WILL have enough mana to hunt snow spectres.

I typically do:

0-6 - swing OHE in rats
6-12 - 903 spectres
12-16 - 903 fire guardians/firephantoms in SOL (Do CoL in this time frame)
16-25 - 906 wood wights/woodsmen - wights can boil but typically die to one cast of 906
25+ - wherever you may roam.

A pure sorcerer is way easier than swinging a weapon at stuff. 702 is sick.

[peam]

A pure sorcerer is way easier than swinging a weapon at stuff. 702 is sick.

Agreed. Sorcerers are the nuts. I've been salty and reluctant to play them ever since they nerfed 719 though.

[Taernath]

songs disabled by F2P

That's just purification song, no?

[n0551n3n0m1n3]

I typically do:

0-6 - swing OHE in rats
6-12 - 903 spectres
12-16 - 903 fire guardians/firephantoms in SOL (Do CoL in this time frame)
16-25 - 906 wood wights/woodsmen - wights can boil but typically die to one cast of 906
25+ - wherever you may roam.

Idk why people like hunting rats....lesser frost shades(IMT NG) or lesser ghouls, skeletons, phantoms(landing GY) are both just as easy, and actually HAVE loot. I tend to have 100k silver from just hunting(not skinning) by the time I am 10 trains...after I buy 2x gear(1x and 3x arnt worth it)

[Astray]

Agreed. Sorcerers are the nuts. I've been salty and reluctant to play them ever since they nerfed 719 though.

Nah man, HSN buffed them pretty good. 719 is still pretty tits though.

[peam]

Nah man, HSN buffed them pretty good. 719 is still pretty tits though.

I'll read up. I wasn't playing then.

[peam]

Idk why people like hunting rats....lesser frost shades(IMT NG) or lesser ghouls, skeletons, phantoms(landing GY) are both just as easy, and actually HAVE loot. I tend to have 100k silver from just hunting(not skinning) by the time I am 10 trains...after I buy 2x gear(1x and 3x arnt worth it)

I run all my characters through rats because I have a WizardFE script that I've used since the beginning of time. Your approach sounds vastly more efficient. I'll give it a shot if I roll any new characters up.

[Maerit]

Warriors are one of the hardest F2P's because they can't wear heavy armor?

From my experience: I had to train my warrior in 3x shield use because - low DS (no outside spell support), highish RT, limited disabling utility (low stamina in early levels for CMANs), my warrior died more than any of the other F2P accounts I leveled up. When he was spelled up by my wizard account, he played great, albeit a bit slow at hunting by comparison to other classes, but fine. When I moved him to TV, and didn't bring my Wizard out there, he just couldn't hold his own anymore. Stance dancing, running away from targets, vulnerable to spells (especially in low armor classes)... It wasn't working great. The monk having 1207 made him easier to play than the warrior because he could reliably disable everything with 3s cast RT.

Bard did not die as much as the warrior, but he was SOOOO BORING. Bards have the benefit of higher DS, higher AS, but lack of fun CMANs to use. In the end, they are kind of dull to play until you unlock a lot of their spells. Also, a lot of spells and utility are locked out for bards. No loresinging, room effect spells, or purification.

[Astray]

From my experience: I had to train my warrior in 3x shield use because - low DS (no outside spell support), highish RT, limited disabling utility (low stamina in early levels for CMANs), my warrior died more than any of the other F2P accounts I leveled up. When he was spelled up by my wizard account, he played great, albeit a bit slow at hunting by comparison to other classes, but fine. When I moved him to TV, and didn't bring my Wizard out there, he just couldn't hold his own anymore. Stance dancing, running away from targets, vulnerable to spells (especially in low armor classes)... It wasn't working great. The monk having 1207 made him easier to play than the warrior because he could reliably disable everything with 3s cast RT.

Bard did not die as much as the warrior, but he was SOOOO BORING. Bards have the benefit of higher DS, higher AS, but lack of fun CMANs to use. In the end, they are kind of dull to play until you unlock a lot of their spells. Also, a lot of spells and utility are locked out for bards. No loresinging, room effect spells, or purification.

Warrior legitimately seems to suffer from not having spells in early game. Never had to go quite that hard on the shield training. I did have to get spelled up, which is a problem for free characters, until I got into full brig and higher.

[Maerit]

100% on board with this sentiment. I will never understand why people insist on swinging a claidh with a wizard post level 6.

At level 6, you WILL have enough mana to hunt snow spectres.

I typically do:

0-6 - swing OHE in rats
6-12 - 903 spectres
12-16 - 903 fire guardians/firephantoms in SOL (Do CoL in this time frame)
16-25 - 906 wood wights/woodsmen - wights can boil but typically die to one cast of 906
25+ - wherever you may roam.

When I level my F2P wizards, and I've leveled 3 or 4 of them to 25+ now - this is how it looks:

Level 1-6 - PUNCH things with 3s RT and they die in 1-2 hits
Level 6-10 - PUNCH things with 1s RT and they die in 1-2 hits (that's 1-2 seconds)
Level 10-20 - KICK things with 1s RT (10 ranks of air lore) and they die in 1-4 hits

From my experience, bolting is not only slower, but mana limited. If you run out of mana, your hunt ends. With 506, you can kill faster with UAC than bolting, and also never have mana problems. Claids are very slow early on, so I would agree that swinging one is not optimal for the Wizard when UAC is going to be faster in general.

[Ososis]

Ahh yes. Now that you mention it I do recall the range of ability from having minimal risk full offensive fighting to having to stance dance with lesser critters due to being spelled or not. I guess I blocked out that shit, cause it did really suck. I did F2P warrior till 26th train (though i got two old style lumnis before the change from trial to F2P) And I focused on armor support because it made me friends for spells since those were so critical. Most of the time spells were easy enough to come by, but your criticism is quite valid.

[Fortybox]

Monk class is one of the easiest to level up. I don't understand why they get such a bad rap. I'm not F2P but this class by far has been the easiest for me.

[Astray]

Monk class is one of the easiest to level up. I don't understand why they get such a bad rap. I'm not F2P but this class by far has been the easiest for me.

Magic is their fucking bane though. Nearly untouchable when it comes to melee though.

[Fortybox]

Magic is their fucking bane though. Nearly untouchable when it comes to melee though.

Same argument can be said for Bards though.

I think there is a misconception on monks. The TD is a problem but can be mitigated to a certain extent.

[subzero]

702 is sick.

Yeah... it's so sick you'll use it until around level 50 or 60 at which time you'll be absolutely sick of it.

Help me out with some context here... when did you start playing?

[Astray]

Yeah... it's so sick you'll use it until around level 50 or 60 at which time you'll be absolutely sick of it.

Help me out with some context here... when did you start playing?

A bajillion off and on years. Forever and always.

[subzero]

A bajillion off and on years. Forever and always.

I kind of figured that. I'm just surprised anyone that knows the pre-we're-moving-towards-an-attrition-based-combat-model-starting-and-ending-with-sorcerers-nerf version would refer to it that way.

[Methais]

The real question is what profession isn't scrub friendly? Have you seen some of the people that have managed to cap their characters?

[Astray]

For shiggles, I'll be monking it up. Also because I have these stupid expensive gory gauntlets.

[Astray]

Everyone flaked when they saw the paywall and micro-transaction stuff paired with subscriptions. lolrip.jpg

[Gelston]

Everyone flaked when they saw the paywall and micro-transaction stuff paired with subscriptions. lolrip.jpg

Yeah, the game loses a lot of appeal at that point for people who are brand new to the game, especially MUDs in general.

[Astray]

Yeah, the game loses a lot of appeal at that point for people who are brand new to the game, especially MUDs in general.

Meh. I guess they'll stick to D&D.

And I rolled a monk for nothing.

[peam]

I rolled a monk

You disgust me.

[Astray]

You disgust me.

It's legit boring so I think I'll go Rogue here.

[Tenlaar]

You mean expecting people to pay for micro-transactions to do damn near anything beyond typing "att xxx" on top of an already industry-high monthly subscription fee is a turn off for new players!?

This is shocking news, somebody better get Wyrom in here quick.

[Astray]

You mean expecting people to pay for micro-transactions to do damn near anything beyond typing "att xxx" on top of an already industry-high monthly subscription fee is a turn off for new players!?

This is shocking news, somebody better get Wyrom in here quick.

TELL THE WORLD

[subzero]

TELL THE WORLD

HACK THE PLANET

[peam]

HACK THE PLANET

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[Methais]

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