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[Red Devil]

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/GemStone/277.jpg

[GSLeloo]

That's it right there! George Bush is the evil one!

[Back]

Props Red. Can I print that for my friends?

[GS4Gurl]

bwahahahahaha!

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/GemStone/bush2.jpg

[Lord Deprav]

I may not have turned his switch in the voting booth, but he is my present. Show him some respect! The President of the United States shows everything I stand for.

Deprav

Originally posted by Lord Deprav
I may not have turned his switch in the voting booth, but he is my present. Show him some respect! The President of the United States shows everything I stand for.

Deprav

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/GemStone/gotcoke.jpg

[GSLeloo]

Bush is a joke. Respect my ass. Yeah, I will respect the president when he doesn't get us into war, debt, start killing our people to fight something only he wants to.

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Bush is a joke. Respect my ass. Yeah, I will respect the president when he doesn't get us into war, debt, start killing our people to fight something only he wants to.

Leloo isn't wrong.

[Scott]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Bush is a joke. Respect my ass. Yeah, I will respect the president when he doesn't get us into war, debt, start killing our people to fight something only he wants to.

Yeah, don't respect George Washington, Abe Lincoln, FDR.... Come on now...... I hate this kind of talk. I know people are going to argue about this, but wars are nessacary sometimes, and sometimes the are unavoidable. I'm sorry some people feel that we should never fight a war or never risk an American life, but not everyone feels this way. I'll tell you another thing, I really did enjoy Bush's tax cut, and so did my parents.

Oh, and Bush isn't the only one that wanted war.....

[StrayRogue]

I hope your kids enjoy the crappier schools they're getting, plus the crappier libraries.

Or if you don't have kids, pray you don't anytime soon. He cut $35 mil from advanced pediatric training facilities.

He also cut funding for research into renewable energy sources by half.

Delayed rules that would reduce acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.

Cut funding into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks by 28%

Allowed secretary of the Interior Gale Norton to request suggestions for opening up National Monuments for foresting, coal mining, and oil and gas drilling.

Broken his promise to invest $100 mil per year into rain forest conservation.

Reduced by 86% the communtiy access program, which coordinated care for people without health insurance among public hospitals, clinics and such.

Cut funding for the Girls and Boys Clubs of America programs in public housing by $60 million.

Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, ultimately signed by 178 other countries.

Rejected an international accord to enforce the 1972 treaty banning germ warfare.

Cut $200 mil from Childcare and Development grant; a program that provides child care to low-income families as they are forced from welfare to work.

Cut $700 million in funds for public housing repairs.

Cut half a billion dollars from the Environmental Protection Agency budget.

Overturned workplace ergonomic rules designed to protect worker's health and safety.

Need I go on?

Originally posted by Gemstone101

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Bush is a joke. Respect my ass. Yeah, I will respect the president when he doesn't get us into war, debt, start killing our people to fight something only he wants to.

Yeah, don't respect George Washington, Abe Lincoln, FDR.... Come on now...... I hate this kind of talk. I know people are going to argue about this, but wars are nessacary sometimes, and sometimes the are unavoidable. I'm sorry some people feel that we should never fight a war or never risk an American life, but not everyone feels this way. I'll tell you another thing, I really did enjoy Bush's tax cut, and so did my parents.

Oh, and Bush isn't the only one that wanted war.....

When I first arrived on this planet, I saw a farmer and said, "Take me to your Leader". When I saw George W. Bush, my first thoughts were, "You have got to be kidding." He poked at me with a stick and said, "What country are YOU from? I don't think we've had a chance to bomb you yet."

The High Council of my home planet has decided that we will postpone full contact with your species until you have evolved beyond following primates into battle.

[Drew2]

I feel bad. A brit knows more about my country than I do.

I will go hang my head in shame now.

[Carl Spackler]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I hope your kids enjoy the crappier schools they're getting, plus the crappier libraries.

Or if you don't have kids, pray you don't anytime soon. He cut $35 mil from advanced pediatric training facilities.

He also cut funding for research into renewable energy sources by half.

Delayed rules that would reduce acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.

Cut funding into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks by 28%

Allowed secretary of the Interior Gale Norton to request suggestions for opening up National Monuments for foresting, coal mining, and oil and gas drilling.

Broken his promise to invest $100 mil per year into rain forest conservation.

Reduced by 86% the communtiy access program, which coordinated care for people without health insurance among public hospitals, clinics and such.

Cut funding for the Girls and Boys Clubs of America programs in public housing by $60 million.

Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, ultimately signed by 178 other countries.

Rejected an international accord to enforce the 1972 treaty banning germ warfare.

Cut $200 mil from Childcare and Development grant; a program that provides child care to low-income families as they are forced from welfare to work.

Cut $700 million in funds for public housing repairs.

Cut half a billion dollars from the Environmental Protection Agency budget.

Overturned workplace ergonomic rules designed to protect worker's health and safety.

Need I go on?


Our dentists are better.

[StrayRogue]

Heh, shame we are smarter, and have more health-care. So no, idiot, you are wrong.

[Carl Spackler]

Our weather doesn't suck year round either.

[StrayRogue]

Well, considering we had a better summer than Florida, again, you are wrong. It also appears that our education system is far superior. As are our naming conventions.

[Carl Spackler]

Haha. Whatever buddy.... the US will always be superior to any other place in the world. Have a great night.

[StrayRogue]

Sure you will be, with such super intelligent beggars like you, how could it not be? Why not argue FACT with me mo mo?

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Haha. Whatever buddy.... the US will always be superior to any other place in the world. Have a great night.

I'm sorry, but that's just sad on so many levels.

[Carl Spackler]

Sorry I am no beggar. Im 19, I go to school, and I am part owner of a luggage and leathergoods business. Sorry I am no beggar. Thanks for the input though.:thumbsup:

[StrayRogue]

You really are smart aren't you?!

[StrayRogue]

PS, go here: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm

[Carl Spackler]

Oh you so funny!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shithead

[StrayRogue]

Hey, why not TRY and have a real argument with me. With some fact. Unless of course you don't know what an argument or fact is...

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=argument
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fact

[Carl Spackler]

There is only one fact. Which I will state again for the smart guy from across the pond. America rules, I am proud to be an American. Anyone who speaks out against America can kiss my ass.

[StrayRogue]

Then please argue those facts, mo mo. You rule? How come you are populated by arrogant, dumb fuckers like you then?

[Carl Spackler]

Now you insult everyone here. Come on buddy get a life. Don't be pissed just because immigration wouldn't let you in.

[Tendarian]

Stray,didnt you say you only disliked the US gov't? And you liked the people? Your true feelings about the US are peeking thru :)

[StrayRogue]

No, most people here can hold an argument. You can't. As for immigration...I am happy to be here. I doubt they would give me any trouble. After all, your smart ass country lets in anyone, don't they? Or need I remind you of the 9/11 bombers?

[Edited on 12-9-03 by StrayRogue]

[Edited on 12-9-03 by StrayRogue]

[Carl Spackler]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
No, most people here can hold an argument. You can't. As for immigration...I am happy to be here. I doubt they would give me any trouble. After all, your smart ass country let in the 9/11 bombers, didn't they?

Get a fucking life man. Don't even bring that 9/11 up like that, you're a sick asshole for saying that. You seriously deserve to have your teeth kicked in.

[StrayRogue]

Still can't argue with me?

Tendarian, I like alot of Americans. A real lot. Its idiots like this, to lesser extents edge and Ben (they atleast can hold their own in an argument), that I don't like. Most you guys are great. Most.

Originally posted by Carl Spackler

Originally posted by StrayRogue
No, most people here can hold an argument. You can't. As for immigration...I am happy to be here. I doubt they would give me any trouble. After all, your smart ass country let in the 9/11 bombers, didn't they?

Get a fucking life man. Don't even bring that 9/11 up like that, you're a sick asshole for saying that. You seriously deserve to have your teeth kicked in.

What kinda name is Carl anyway?

[StrayRogue]

Hi, my name is Carl. I am 19. I work in leather. I study sucking up to my lying goverment officials. My hobbies include; being ignorant, blindly following orders, and general leather things.

[Carl Spackler]

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage

What kinda name is Carl anyway?

Carl Spackler was the greenskeeper in the movie Caddyshack.

[StrayRogue]

Mods, Admin, I tried to steer my mo mo friend here into a serious debate, even argument. However I feel his fantastic and fact proven points that "America is great, kthx" are hardly becoming of anything. Please urge him to post properly or to leave, because I cannot be bothered running circles around some stupid meat-head any longer.

[Neildo]

In regards to Strayrogue's list.. I just find it amusing that the list was written up to make Bush look bad. I'm not saying whether Bush is good or bad, I just find it funny because a list is always written up like that for every single president we have. Point being? Each president, regardless of which country they're from, breaks their word and does stupid shit. You can't just make up a list of bad things and leave it at that or else every single person on this earth would look like the spawn of Satan.

As for the Bush Sr/Jr Austin Powers pic, I still find the Dubya/monkey facial expression comparison to be the funniest of em all. :P

- N

[Carl Spackler]

Hi my name isn't Carl, it's Steve. Yes I work in leather. Yes I make a great living working in leather. Yes I love my country. Why? because it is the best in the world. You can burn a flag here if you want. You can protest if you want. You can be a liberal asshole if you want. But most importantly we are entitled to our own opinion. Mine being that You Stray, suck at life. Cheerio.

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Hi my name isn't Carl, it's Steve. Yes I work in leather. Yes I make a great living working in leather. Yes I love my country. Why? because it is the best in the world. You can burn a flag here if you want. You can protest if you want. You can be a liberal asshole if you want. But most importantly we are entitled to our own opinion. Mine being that You Stray, suck at life. Cheerio.

Saying it's "the best" is a total 100% opinion. An opinion not shared by everyone.

Steve is Eddie Izzard's imaginary friend.

[StrayRogue]

You can love your country and all that jazz. I can laugh at you for being an ignorant arsehole. And I am doing.

Anyway Neildo, you have a good point. There is two sides to every story. Now I am sure, somewhere, Bush has done some good things. However, that list is fact. Simple. If you can create a list of all the wonderful things he has done to counter-act the above facts, please do. I'd be happy to discuss it.

[Scott]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Mods, Admin, I tried to steer my mo mo friend here into a serious debate, even argument. However I feel his fantastic and fact proven points that "America is great, kthx" are hardly becoming of anything. Please urge him to post properly or to leave, because I cannot be bothered running circles around some stupid meat-head any longer.

Don't respond then. If I deleted stupid posts I wouldn't have enough time to do anything. Everyone has a right to express their opinion if it doesn't violate TOS, even if it is a stupid one.

[StrayRogue]

Ok, I'll run the retard into the ground some more...

[Scott]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Ok, I'll run the retard into the ground some more...

Hopefully you can do it without insulting American's and saying things about 9/11, because you ran yourself into the ground with that.

[Carl Spackler]

Steves list of great things bush as done:


Going to Afghanistan

Going to Iraq.




War is not a great thing. I am not saying it is, but there was no two ways around either situation. The UN is a group of snails who with no doubt in my mind should have immediately said lets go get them. Therefore leaving Bush and the US no choice but to go it without the UN's backing. And Stray, your country went. Why? because Tony knew it was the right thing to do. I think more people knew it was the right thing to do, than are willing to admit it. Yes people die when you go to war, but think about how many people were dying yearly, no wait, lets go with daily under saddams regime??? The US did everyone in Iraq, aside from the ba'thists(sp?) a favor.

Originally posted by Gemstone101

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Ok, I'll run the retard into the ground some more...

Hopefully you can do it without insulting American's and saying things about 9/11, because you ran yourself into the ground with that.

Why can't we post our opinions on Americans and September 11th anyway?

[Carl Spackler]

I hope you're not referring to me as being pissed you're not banned? someone as insignifigant to my life as you are, doesn't hold enough bearing for me to care about.

[StrayRogue]

Carl, Tony went because he knew you guys would do what you are doing to France now. He wanted to save our economy by not having America slap hundreds of exmport/inport sanctions on it. He did the lesser of two evils. Not that I like that. It looks like he will lose him job for doing just that.

[Tendarian]

That is a guess at why he did it. He seemed very believable everytime ive seen him speak in support of the war. Just cause he is your PM doesnt mean he isnt just as wrong (your opinion) for your involvment.

[Carl Spackler]

Yes, and in my opinion france deserves what we're doing. In the words of George W. Bush. "You're either with us, or against us."

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by Carl Spackler]

[StrayRogue]

He can have that opinion. If he wishes to make enimies of the UN, let him.

Tendarian, Tony is very charismatic. Please understand that the reason people are so incense now about him was because initially we didn't want war. Eventually he won the opinion polls and went anyway. He PROMISED us he had evidence of WMD in Iraq; a worthy and just cause to go to war. However, it turns out they lied to us. It annoyed ALOT of people. Just recently he has sacked a great deal of his staff as one scandal about him after another comes to light. Believe me, his days are numbered.

[Carl Spackler]

I was on topic, you talked about things that were bad with the US/Bush, so I said something we had that was better.

[HarmNone]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! I have been to all three countries: England, the United States, and France (among others). I like them all. I like the people in all of them. I may not agree with the governments of one (or any) of them, but the people are just people.

Everyone should have pride in their country and its people. I have pride in all countries and all people. I guess I sorta consider myself a citizen of the world. However, no country is 100% perfect, and no country is 100% bad.

HarmNone thinks peeps are peeps

[Betheny]

There are only two reasons I give a shit about any of this political crap.

1. I have a friend in Iraq.

2. I have a loved one that was out during the war on terrorism for 8 months, and would be again.

Suffice to say. If someone bombs us again and makes my friends go to war again/longer...

I'm going to shoot him or her myself.

[Tendarian]

Your so right,he is charasmatic! I saw him once speaking and then Dubya speaking and it was day and night. I actually felt bad for Dubya to have to follow him and be compared.

[Carl Spackler]

Harmnone I have been to both France and England as well. The people there were never rude, and I enjoyed my stay. I don't want you to have the opinion I hate their country. I just thin the US is better.

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Gentlemen, gentlemen, please! I have been to all three countries: England, the United States, and France (among others). I like them all. I like the people in all of them. I may not agree with the governments of one (or any) of them, but the people are just people.

Everyone should have pride in their country and its people. I have pride in all countries and all people. I guess I sorta consider myself a citizen of the world. However, no country is 100% perfect, and no country is 100% bad.

HarmNone thinks peeps are peeps

Oh no Klaive said he was gonna raise his kids to be citizens of the world! :o

Maybe thats the bridge you two can have to make up and love one another again.

[Betheny]

Hey, don't yell at US, yell at the DUMB FUCKS that voted him into office.

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by Maimara
Hey, don't yell at US, yell at the DUMB FUCKS that voted him into office.

Thank you, Thank you ill be doing it again next year and will be proud to. Calling someone a dumb fuck for a political view is a very narrow minded thing to think.

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Yes, and in my opinion france deserves what we're doing. In the words of George W. Bush. "You're either with us, or against us."

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by Carl Spackler]

I'm against you.

[StrayRogue]

Carl, if you had just said that, instead of making baseless insults, I would have left it. You can believe what you want, as can anyone, that is your right. I maintain I do not hate your country. My own country has its faults, all countries do. However, if I started babbling about the errors of my local constituent, I doubt any of you would be at all interested. There is a false idea that America is perfect floating around that DOES insult me. I would prefer to be considered someone who just posts his own thoughts on a situation. Thats all.

[Betheny]

The Electoral College needs to go. Majority Rules.

[StrayRogue]

Tendarian, I think you know I am against Bush in power again (;)) but you are entitled to vote for whomever you wish. I don't respect you less for it.

[Betheny]

There are 3 'Bush' threads. Maybe they should all be put into one.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Maimara
There are 3 'Bush' threads. Maybe they should all be put into one.

I only wish people could keep it to one topic. I have enough stuff to deal with to start merging threads and stuff though. We have multiple threads for a lot of issues, I wish there was enough time to dig through them and put them together..... however it would be even better if people didn't make different threads for a topic already being discussed.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Maimara
There are 3 'Bush' threads. Maybe they should all be put into one.

Hmmm...maybe he is not really a Bush. He is spreading. Perhaps he is a Vine, or Ground Cover.

HarmNone thinks this is possible

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Tendarian, I think you know I am against Bush in power again (;)) but you are entitled to vote for whomever you wish. I don't respect you less for it.

I knew that,i was referring to a different poster :) As much as i disagree with you i like reading most of your posts.

[StrayRogue]

Atleast you understand then *sigh* And a Bush supporter to boot *chuckles*

[Betheny]

I think Bush is a jackass. I think anyone that would take away a woman's right to choose abortion is a jackass. That's pretty much the only subject I vote on anymore: Who is pro life, and who is pro choice. It simplifies things for me a lot; I can see things in black and white.

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by Maimara
I think Bush is a jackass. I think anyone that would take away a woman's right to choose abortion is a jackass. That's pretty much the only subject I vote on anymore: Who is pro life, and who is pro choice. It simplifies things for me a lot; I can see things in black and white.

So if Hitler was running and was pro choice....

[Betheny]

Hm, let me see...

No.

You're missing my point, but that's alright, pick me apart however you want to.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Maimara
I think Bush is a jackass. I think anyone that would take away a woman's right to choose abortion is a jackass. That's pretty much the only subject I vote on anymore: Who is pro life, and who is pro choice. It simplifies things for me a lot; I can see things in black and white.

It all depends on your view. Why should a woman be able to choose if she chose to have sex? Oh and I'm sure we are going to have the rape issue brought up too.... so I'll get that done too. Yes if a woman is raped, it is a very VERY sad thing, and I feel sorry for the woman. However does that give her to right to decide that a baby has to die? It is her body, but it's not just her body she's effecting...........

Just so you know, I am pro choice, but you do have to see the other side of the fence.....

[Carl Spackler]

If bush wanted abortion out he'd have done it by now.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
If bush wanted abortion out he'd have done it by now.

No he wouldn't, since he doesn't make the call.... Bush does want abortion gone, however he knows it will never happen so he doesn't press the issue.

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by Maimara
That's pretty much the only subject I vote on anymore: Who is pro life, and who is pro choice.

I didnt mean you would actually vote for Hitler. I was trying to point out that voting on ONE issue has some serious down falls.

[Betheny]

Bush first has to oust the pro-choice seatholders in the Supreme Court.

And, I really don't care how or why a woman got pregnant, it's her right to do as she chooses with her body. I don't believe in abortion as a form of birth control. However, I do believe that's a woman's choice to make. I"m not saying it should be covered by insurance or the government, either.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Tendarian
I didnt mean you would actually vote for Hitler. I was trying to point out that voting on ONE issue has some serious down falls.

I'm not about to kill myself over who picks their nose, who wants to send troops to Iraq... Politicians NEVER do as they say they will.

The ONLY politician I know of that EVER did as he said he would was Jesse Ventura, and the lovely media made him look like a bumbling idiot.

NO ONE running for office is out to represent me. They're out for those who can fund their campaigns. Wellstone was one of a very few that I had faith in.

If I choose to vote on one issue, that's my right, just like it's your right to vote for Charles Manson if you so choose to.

[Scott]

<<<<And, I really don't care how or why a woman got pregnant, it's her right to do as she chooses with her body.>>>>

What about the babies body? It's not just her body that's being affected.

[Betheny]

Yes, it is just her being affected.

If you could remove the embryo, and it could survive, fine. Until the day it can survive on its own, it is no better than a cancerous tumor.

This is what I believe.

Edited to add: I don't mean actually like, get a job and an apartment survive, I mean breathe and live on its own.

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by Maimara]

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Harmnone I have been to both France and England as well. The people there were never rude, and I enjoyed my stay. I don't want you to have the opinion I hate their country. I just thin the US is better.

I believe ya, Carl. I am also willing to bet you that they believe their countries are better. We all want very much to be happy with what we have because...well, because it is what we have, eh?

HarmNone is happy with what she has

[Tendarian]

If I choose to vote on one issue, that's my right, just like it's your right to vote for Charles Manson if you so choose to.


Sweet! When do you think he will be running anyway?

As for abortion i am definately pro life but i wouldnt want to make it illegal.

[Carl Spackler]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Harmnone I have been to both France and England as well. The people there were never rude, and I enjoyed my stay. I don't want you to have the opinion I hate their country. I just thin the US is better.

I believe ya, Carl. I am also willing to bet you that they believe their countries are better. We all want very much to be happy with what we have because...well, because it is what we have, eh?

HarmNone is happy with what she has

Yes I agree with that point.

[Betheny]

My point is this: If you're against it, fine. Don't have an abortion. But just because you think fur is murder doesn't mean you should outlaw it.

[Scott]

<<Yes, it is just her being affected.>>

No, the baby/fetus is being affected too.

<<If you could remove the embryo, and it could survive, fine. Until the day it can survive on its own, it is no better than a cancerous tumor.>>

That's harsh. Don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant.

<<<This is what I believe.>>>

I believe sort of what you are saying, except not quite as harsh. I'm just talking about how you are saying how someone thinks the woman shouldn't be able to make all the calls thinks. I see both sides of the arguement. My opinion is that women should be able to have a abortion if:

A. The womans life is in danger.
B. She was rape
C. Severe deformity of the baby.

If you have sex, get pregnant.... sorry. Don't have sex if you can't deal with the result. I don't want a baby, but if I got a girl pregnant, I would do everything I could to convince her to have the baby. I'm willing to deal with what might happen from sex and feel that killing a baby because I screwed up is ridiculous.

[Betheny]

The more rules and regulations you put on a thing, the more rules and regulations are going to be skewed, fucked over, scrutinized.

Here's what I mean:

The government could outlaw abortion. HOWEVER... The government should NOT be able to stipulate who can have one, or why.

Why is this? Right to privacy. End of story.

[Betheny]

The other thing that ticks me off, is the ENTIRE RESPONSIBILITY falls upon the woman, should she make a mistake and get pregnant, and I don't think that ANY man can really understand what it would be like.

Sure, they can be a real man and take care of what they need to, and be there, etc... but it's still not the same.

A man doesn't have to give birth. A man doesn't have to play housewife. A man doesn't have to do a lot of things. Hell, a man doesn't even really have to pay child support if he wants to.

If you ask me, I would rather abortion be LEGAL and SAFE than have to deal with some crackhead's 40 children needing to be fed, clothed, and educated.

Before you take THIS statement wrong, I also happen to think that people who cannot or will not take care of their own offspring should be castrated, but we all know that's never going to happen, LOL.

[HarmNone]

If you have sex, get pregnant.... sorry. Don't have sex if you can't deal with the result. I don't want a baby, but if I got a girl pregnant, I would do everything I could to convince her to have the baby. I'm willing to deal with what might happen from sex and feel that killing a baby because I screwed up is ridiculous.

She is the one who will undergo the pain, and risk of death, associated with bearing a child. You will not. Additionally, who is going to raise this child, you or she?

There are so many facets to this argument that it could easily be discussed for days. Those who hold one view will not change to hold the other view. It is far too personal for that to happen.

HarmNone has done this one before

[Carl Spackler]

Heres why I think abortion needs to remain legal.

Like Maimara said the crackheads and their 40 kids are only going to make our welfare problem worse than it is. I'm glad some states are finally doing something about it. I'm sick of seeing people who are perfectly capable of holding a job, sitting on their ass getting money from everyone who is working. In my opinion everyone can bag groceries, pump gas, mop floors. There are jobs out there for people who need them.

Welfare needs serious revamping.

Sorry if this post doesn't make sense Im dead friggin tired and going to bed, hit me with a u2u or something if you want clarification for anything I have said tonight.

Adios.

[Betheny]

Actually, I'm rather enjoying our arguement, except the way Sintik states certain things tends to get me riled up, save for the fact that I KNOW he doesn't mean what he says to sound like an order or the word of God. ;)

Scenario: Your sister gets raped. She gets pregnant.

Four months later, they still haven't found who done it, nor can they prove or disprove her claim of rape.

Nine months later: She has the kid, because her claim couldn't be proved, and there was no trial as there was no defendant.

If we let the government have such control over our lives... I don't even want to think about the consequences...

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Carl Spackler
Heres why I think abortion needs to remain legal.

Like Maimara said the crackheads and their 40 kids are only going to make our welfare problem worse than it is. I'm glad some states are finally doing something about it. I'm sick of seeing people who are perfectly capable of holding a job, sitting on their ass getting money from everyone who is working. In my opinion everyone can bag groceries, pump gas, mop floors. There are jobs out there for people who need them.

Welfare needs serious revamping.


I'm 22, single, dirt poor. I'm also white. The government will not help me with health care, even though I have aplastic anemia and several other health problems. Yet... were I to get pregnant... and go on welfare... I could have NOT JUST health care, but money. Food. Rent. Tuition.

It's sick. Somewhere along the lines, society went from frowning upon that sort of thing, to encouraging it.

On another note, it's pretty bad here in Minnesota. We have a very 'good' welfare system; people move here from all over to get more money...

Originally posted by Maimara
Bush first has to oust the pro-choice seatholders in the Supreme Court.

And, I really don't care how or why a woman got pregnant, it's her right to do as she chooses with her body. I don't believe in abortion as a form of birth control. However, I do believe that's a woman's choice to make. I"m not saying it should be covered by insurance or the government, either.

Wait, Bush is Pro-Life?

Okay, I'm voting for Bush.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage
Wait, Bush is Pro-Life?

Okay, I'm voting for Bush.

Duuuuhhhhhhhh....

[Scott]

<<<She is the one who will undergo the pain, and risk of death, associated with bearing a child. You will not. Additionally, who is going to raise this child, you or she>>>>

Well she shouldn't have had sex then. Don't have sex if you can't deal with the chance of having a baby.

However, if she doesn't want the baby but is willing to give birth, I will take the baby. I didn't say I'd force her to have the baby, it's her choice. But I would try my hardest to convince her to have the baby because I don't think I could ever feel good about myself if a baby/fetus had to die because I screwed up.....

<<<The government could outlaw abortion. HOWEVER... The government should NOT be able to stipulate who can have one, or why.

Why is this? Right to privacy. End of story. >>>

Which is why I'm pro choice and not pro life. I know you can't limit it to certain people, but that's how I wish it would be..... I feel that there needs to be abortions in some instances, so I'm pro-life. That's my only reason.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
<<<She is the one who will undergo the pain, and risk of death, associated with bearing a child. You will not. Additionally, who is going to raise this child, you or she>>>>

Well she shouldn't have had sex then. Don't have sex if you can't deal with the chance of having a baby.


Okay, I dislike how this is worded, because it puts all of the blame on the woman... and that makes me really, really angry.

THEY should not have had sex, if THEY were not willing to accept the consequences.

:flamed::flamed::flamed::flamed::flamed:

[Carl Spackler]

Let me explain before I go to bed. I am sick of seeing young teenage girls(13-18) just so they can move out of the house because they are 'in love' with some boyfriend who will leave them in the next year because he doesn't wanna deal with the kid. This girl as soon as she moves in with her boyfriend gets on welfare, WIC everything she can. She is sucking my tax dollars because of some dumb ass mistake she made. Hell no, get a job, go to school, abort the pregnancy, give the kid up for adoption, send it to relatives who cares. Don't take my money just because you were a moron.

If you are physically unable to work, that is one thing. Then you deserve all the help you can get. But when you are perfectly able to, then you damn well better get a job. I hate lazy pathetic individuals who do nothing but suck money from me and fellow tax payers.

Goodnight.

I am pro-life and I don't think a woman should have any say on if the baby is born or not. It's not her body, it's another individual life growing inside her.

Abortion, in my view, is an act of murder. Period.

[Betheny]

I'm with you, Carl!

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage
I am pro-life and I don't think a woman should have any say on if the baby is born or not. It's not her body, it's another individual life growing inside her.

Abortion, in my view, is an act of murder. Period.

Then that's how you feel, fine. Do you begrudge other people their opinions? And what would you do if your wife decided to have an abortion?

Also: What do you consider life? Are antibiotics murder? :?:

[HarmNone]

"Don't have sex if you can't deal with the chance of having a baby."

With that I will heartily agree, except for one little caveat. If the mother-to-be is 12 or 13 (even younger in some unfortunate cases) and the father-to-be is 18 or over, who is the culprit here? The mother is too young to be expected to properly assess her risk.

Like I said, the facets to this argument are myriad. It is difficult, to say the least.

HarmNone

[Betheny]

I guess my biggest issue is, I've heard guys say over and over... "If it happened to me..." Then when it does happen to them, they run like a little bitch to the hills.

It is one thing to say, "I will accept my responsibilities." It is another thing to be forced to accept them.

[Scott]

Originally posted by HarmNone
"Don't have sex if you can't deal with the chance of having a baby."

With that I will heartily agree, except for one little caveat. If the mother-to-be is 12 or 13 (even younger in some unfortunate cases) and the father-to-be is 18 or over, who is the culprit here? The mother is too young to be expected to properly assess her risk.

Like I said, the facets to this argument are myriad. It is difficult, to say the least.

HarmNone

Which exactly is why I'm pro choice because of instances like this. This is rape, which I believe is a just cause for an abortion. Just my opinion.

[Carl Spackler]

Originally posted by Maimara
I guess my biggest issue is, I've heard guys say over and over... "If it happened to me..." Then when it does happen to them, they run like a little bitch to the hills.

It is one thing to say, "I will accept my responsibilities." It is another thing to be forced to accept them.

hell yeah im not gonna say i'd do shit if it happened to me. Im not having a damn kid right now. Use a wrapper gentlemen.

[Tendarian]

Here is my opinion:

I dont think its right that only the woman can decide if she gets an abortion. I think if she wants one and he doesnt she should have to bear out her responsibility but not have to pay any child support. On the other hand if he wants her to have one and she doesnt i dont think he should have to pay child support either. I admit these views are a tad weird but sue me.

Btw Maimara... You should apply to Minnesota Care,its kinda like really cheap health care it costs based on what your income is. I had a friend who signed up for it and it costed $4 a month.

[HarmNone]

Also: What do you consider life? Are antibiotics murder? :?:

Heh. Yes. There is also room for argument over at what point in the gestational period does a child become a child and not a one-celled organism. There is a valid question there.

HarmNone

[Betheny]

Were our society less machismo, and males were forced to accept the consequences of unprotected sex and the resulting pregnancy, I think I very well may feel entirely different about the issue.

But as things stand now, it's not fair that women get stuck with it.

[Betheny]

Minnesota Care wants over 500 dollars a month to cover me. I'm female, single, white, and my parents (who supposedly still give me money, even though my father died two years ago and my mother is on disability/retirement) income is still included with my own. Which is nil. But because I don't have any brats...

[StrayRogue]

I agree Tendarian, if she doesn't want an abortion and the guy does, he should not feel obligated to pay Child Support. The reverse is also true; if he wants it and she doesn't, she has the final say.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. Yes. There is also room for argument over at what point in the gestational period does a child become a child and not a one-celled organism. There is a valid question there.

HarmNone

My answer to this is: If the child can survive outside of the womb, then it is another life, and thus ending it would be murder.

But, if the fetus is dependent solely upon the mother... how can you call it an independent life?

WILL it be an independent life? Eventually. But if we were to subscribe to that theory...

Who is to say that the flesh eating bacteria won't some day (millions of years from now) become an intelligent life form? :?::?:

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by Maimara]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage
I am pro-life and I don't think a woman should have any say on if the baby is born or not. It's not her body, it's another individual life growing inside her.

Abortion, in my view, is an act of murder. Period.

Then that's how you feel, fine. Do you begrudge other people their opinions? And what would you do if your wife decided to have an abortion?

Also: What do you consider life? Are antibiotics murder? :?:

Others can have the opinions that they wish. I would just be much more fond of America if abortion was legally treated as murder and was illegal as such.

First, I'm not married... and if I were, I would be married for the singular purpose of producing a family. Love is wonderful, but for me it is ultimately a means to an end.

There is absolutely no scenario that is even remotely likely that would end with me having to deal with my significant other having an abortion. However, humoring you, should that happen... I would do my damnedest to stop her in any way that I could. If nothing else, I would raise hell and stir up a media frenzy over this controversial topic.

I believe the father should have equal say to the mother... it's his child too. Why do you think fathers bail all the damn time? Why do you think fathers are usually the ones to leave the family?

Cause America is biased. The father is expected to feed and clothe his family... pay child support in the case of a breakup... and yet the mother gets all the glory. Everywhere you look, there's poems to mothers and songs about various rapper and country singers' mommas... you never hear about daddy.

As Chris Rock said, all daddy gets is the big piece of chicken. That's it.

Granted, I grew up without a father and I'm a die hard momma's boy... but look at the way the holidays are set up. Mother's Day is a HUGE business holiday. Gifts and greeting cards get sold like crazy, the postal service getsall busy...

Father's day is more like, "Yeah... whatever. I'll get him a tie and some socks."

Father's day feels like a holiday observed out of guilt more than anything else.

YOUR FATHER IS YOUR PARENT TOO! He brought you into this world as well! If he was a good father, he was there for you just as much as your mother. Just because he didn't carry you and endure labor doesn't mean he loves you any less than your mother. He shouldn't be neglected and overlooked.

Fathers should have the same rights as the mother in regard to the child.

[Betheny]

I don't know what kind of a family you come from, Darien, but I certainly don't feel that's the case at all.

My father was the world to me. He was my best friend, confidante, and everything else I could ever have hoped for.

That's not the issue. I don't t hink you get it, I don't think I'm going to bother explaining it any more than I already have.

[HarmNone]

I see a not-so-distant future in which a man shall be surgically implanted with a uterus and all necessary fetus-raising equipment. With this equipment, he will go through pregnancy and give birth through a sugically implanted orifice that is too small for the daunting job it has been given (damned engineers, anyway!). Then, the argument will have a solution and all will be right with the world. :D

*edited to take an extra 'e' out of the equipment*

HarmNone is messing in the tea leaves again

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by HarmNone]

Originally posted by Maimara
I don't know what kind of a family you come from, Darien, but I certainly don't feel that's the case at all.

My father was the world to me. He was my best friend, confidante, and everything else I could ever have hoped for.

That's not the issue. I don't t hink you get it, I don't think I'm going to bother explaining it any more than I already have.

It's a very fundamental disagreement. I believe that abortions are evil and wrong and are basically the snuffing out of the only type of innocent human life that exists... unborn. It's the destruction of potential... the potential to change the world... and that is what I find most heinous of all.

[HarmNone]

Yeesh. I cannot spell worth beans tonight. It will just have to do, dammit.

HarmNone needs coffee

[StrayRogue]

9:24 AM - I need bacon.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by HarmNone
I see a not-so-distant future in which a man shall be surgically implanted with a uterus and all necessary fetus-raising equipment. With this equipment, he will go through pregnancy and give birth through a sugically implanted orifice that is too small for the daunting job it has been given (damned engineers, anyway!). Then, the argument will have a solution and all will be right with the world. :D

*edited to take an extra 'e' out of the equipment*

HarmNone is messing in the tea leaves again

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by HarmNone]

I vote HarmNone for Mother Nature.

Originally posted by StrayRogue
9:24 AM - I need bacon.

1:24 AM - I need subway. Mmmmmm.

[HarmNone]

::HarmNone hands Stray several rashers of bacon and leans back with a cup of coffee, dreaming of the day when men will bear children the way they now bear arms.::

HarmNone likes this idea...a lot!

[StrayRogue]

I ain't having no kids! Anyway, over here we are still awaiting the male pill, something I think will solve a few problems.

Originally posted by HarmNone
::HarmNone hands Stray several rashers of bacon and leans back with a cup of coffee, dreaming of the day when men will bear children the way they now bear arms.::

HarmNone likes this idea...a lot!

If I could impregnate myself and produce a clone, I would most assuredly adore that concept HarmNone. It would eliminate the need for women.

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by Demon Lord Kage]

[HarmNone]

Well, I can see that Stray will not be the first volunteer to step forward. Do I hear a brave man's voice that will scream: Me! I will do it! Take me!

HarmNone is getting really weird as the sun prepares to rise

[Betheny]

Your hand eliminates the need for women.

Originally posted by Maimara
Your hand eliminates the need for women.

My hand cannot reproduce. I have no need for sexual behavior otherwise. Bringing my Genetic Offspring into the world is my top priority.

[StrayRogue]

Correct. So please women, make it possible for men to give birth. See where that will get you *smirk*

[Betheny]

Right, then, cyber is just practice for procreation.

[HarmNone]

My grandmother often says that if bearing children was the responsibility of both men and women, with men bearing the first and turns being taken thereafter, there would never be more than two children in any family. Great birth control, eh?

HarmNone has a very smart grandmother

Originally posted by Maimara
Right, then, cyber is just practice for procreation.

GemStone sex is role-play.

[Betheny]

Then why are there no sex verbs?

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Correct. So please women, make it possible for men to give birth. See where that will get you *smirk*

I am seriously considering burning my damned tea leaves!

HarmNone is worried

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Maimara
Then why are there no sex verbs?

Rub and touch are so mis-understood.

Originally posted by Maimara
Then why are there no sex verbs?

You only role-play using verbs? Hmm, that helps me understand your RPing philosophies better, I must say.

[HarmNone]

Although the thought of a Klaive clone gives me the willies, I will say this: Darien, you are one heck of a lot of fun when you put out the effort. Please, continue to be all that you can be. I enjoy enjoying you! :D

HarmNone likes to laugh

[Betheny]

I would think that if cybersex was an accepted facet of roleplay, the game wouldn't be Rated E for Everyone, and you wouldn't have to hide out in an inn or a private residence to do it.

As for you, you couldn't roleplay your way out of a paper bag. Don't you even dare to insult me.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage

Originally posted by Maimara
Then why are there no sex verbs?

You only role-play using verbs? Hmm, that helps me understand your RPing philosophies better, I must say.

No, she doesn't. However, she is correct in that there are no specified sexual commands. What people do or don't do with the Act and smile commands are their own buisness. Including foot licking.

[Tendarian]

Id be willing to give birth for sure! Id love to be able to give life to a cute lil baby and have that memory always. I cant believe any woman would be willing to give that gift away. Every woman ive ever heard talk about giving birth dont mention the pain hardly ever. They talk about the miracle they saw first hand consider it a blessing.

[HarmNone]

For those who would indulge in the "fineries" of "roleplay" (::snorts::), the addition of verbs could get really hilarious. Just think how the verbs that exist in GS are misused! :D

HarmNone is laughing at the thought

Originally posted by HarmNone
Although the thought of a Klaive clone gives me the willies, I will say this: Darien, you are one heck of a lot of fun when you put out the effort. Please, continue to be all that you can be. I enjoy enjoying you! :D

HarmNone likes to laugh

Hmmm, you make me think and wonder about you.

Perhaps you are not as horrible as I previously thought.

My apologies if this is the case.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Tendarian
Id be willing to give birth for sure! Id love to be able to give life to a cute lil baby and have that memory always. I cant believe any woman would be willing to give that gift away. Every woman ive ever heard talk about giving birth dont mention the pain hardly ever. They talk about the miracle they saw first hand consider it a blessing.

Heh. You are very fortunate. You should hear the horror stories they tell each other!

HarmNone knows

Originally posted by Maimara
I would think that if cybersex was an accepted facet of roleplay, the game wouldn't be Rated E for Everyone, and you wouldn't have to hide out in an inn or a private residence to do it.

As for you, you couldn't roleplay your way out of a paper bag. Don't you even dare to insult me.

Dear, you've never seen me role-play. I generally don't do it around large crowds like some people, so I'm sure a great many miss out on witnessing my efforts when I am putting them forward.

I can role-play. I've been doing it since I was 10 years old, and I'll continue doing it for the remainder of my days.

[Betheny]

1. I do not roleplay in large crowds.

2. You cannot roleplay if you must insult others who actually do know how to roleplay, to make yourself look better.

Grow up or get nuked. Your choice.

[HarmNone]

My apologies if this is the case.

No apologies are required, but I thank you for the thought. I am not a horrible person, no. I do get incensed when I feel that others are being injured due to insensitivity.

Perhaps we have both learned something, eh? :)

HarmNone

Originally posted by HarmNone

My apologies if this is the case.

No apologies are required, but I thank you for the thought. I am not a horrible person, no. I do get incensed when I feel that others are being injured due to insensitivity.

Perhaps we have both learned something, eh? :)

HarmNone

Perhaps so! :)

Originally posted by Maimara
1. I do not roleplay in large crowds.

2. You cannot roleplay if you must insult others who actually do know how to roleplay, to make yourself look better.

Grow up or get nuked. Your choice.

I said some people, not Maimara. Awfully defensive of you.

I'm not insulting you, I'm asking you to clarify what you meant when you stated that sex couldn't be RP because there weren't verbs for it.

Klaive has sex with his woman. We have two choices... fade to black or act it out and potentially have inside jokes/funny stories to tell afterwards, making them a more realistic couple.

[Tendarian]

At least the pain gives a good outcome. I once had a kidney stone and i got a lil piece of barely anything when it came out. And collecting it was no prize either by the way :) Anyway if and when you invent this way for men to get pregnant,count me in.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by HarmNone
For those who would indulge in the "fineries" of "roleplay" (::snorts::), the addition of verbs could get really hilarious. Just think how the verbs that exist in GS are misused! :D

HarmNone is laughing at the thought

Pardon the vulgarity but...

Stay is a member of the Sex Guild.
He is current with his dues.
Stay is training in the Missionary skill.
He needs 57 training points to earn his next rank.

The Training Administrator told Stay, "Get one of your fellow guild members and practice Missionary with him or her. Your partner should be skilled enough ta make it a challenge." He has 19 repetitions to complete this task.

Stay has learned the following skill ranks:
Missionary........39
Foreplay........19

Type GLD MENU for additional commands.

[Edited on 12-9-03 by StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Tendarian
At least the pain gives a good outcome. I once had a kidney stone and i got a lil piece of barely anything when it came out. And collecting it was no prize either by the way :) Anyway if and when you invent this way for men to get pregnant,count me in.

Same here, just don't expect me to get with another man to achieve the desired pregnancy.

[Betheny]

What you do is on purpose, because you want attention. Channeling your real life agressions, anger, and other instabilities into a character is not roleplay.

What you do is bring your cybersexual exploits into public. Which would be fine, were Gemstone the sort of game that condoned that behavior. Unfortunately, though the GameMasters have made it avidly clear "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil = no evil", people like you are still around.

I applaud anyone who tries something new. I frown upon anyone who acts out for attention, and flips out when he or she doesn't get the sympathy/attention/hatred they were looking for.

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by HarmNone
For those who would indulge in the "fineries" of "roleplay" (::snorts::), the addition of verbs could get really hilarious. Just think how the verbs that exist in GS are misused! :D

HarmNone is laughing at the thought

Pardon the vulgarity but...

Stay is a member of the Sex Guild.
He is current with his dues.
Stay is training in the Missionary skill.
He needs 57 training points to earn his next rank.

The Training Administrator told Stay, "Get one of your fellow guild members and practice Missionary him or her. Your partner should be skilled enough ta make it a challenge." He has 19 repetitions to complete this task.

Stay has learned the following skill ranks:
Missionary........39
Foreplay........19

Type GLD MENU for additional commands.

Also here: a smiling streetwalker.
>mount street

[HarmNone]

I have a volunteer! I shall get to work immediately on the particulars for the New Man!

HarmNone thinks Tendarian will make a wonderful maddy, ummm...dammy...umm...sheesh, I shall need a name for you, will I not?

*edited because I cannot type*

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by HarmNone]

[StrayRogue]

No offense Maim, but cybersex is very rampant in GS even among the RP elite. I was incredibly shocked by some of the stories I heard during the faire in Asmodea's chat room. Please get me to tell you why Nora is nicknamed Miss Sluicy next time I speak to you.

Originally posted by Maimara
What you do is on purpose, because you want attention. Channeling your real life agressions, anger, and other instabilities into a character is not roleplay.

What you do is bring your cybersexual exploits into public. Which would be fine, were Gemstone the sort of game that condoned that behavior. Unfortunately, though the GameMasters have made it avidly clear "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil = no evil", people like you are still around.

I applaud anyone who tries something new. I frown upon anyone who acts out for attention, and flips out when he or she doesn't get the sympathy/attention/hatred they were looking for.

You know that song by Michelle Branch entitled "You Get Me"?

I won't be playing that for you any time soon. :smilegrin:

[Betheny]

I don't doubt it is, unfortunately, I don't indulge in it or condone in it. And calling anyone 'RP elite' is condoning them being cliquish assholes.

[StrayRogue]

I don't think so. I merely call them that because they are all people who RP to a standard I aspire too.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
No offense Maim, but cybersex is very rampant in GS even among the RP elite. I was incredibly shocked by some of the stories I heard during the faire in Asmodea's chat room. Please get me to tell you why Nora is nicknamed Miss Sluicy next time I speak to you.

Oh, yes. Thus it has been for years. But, do not believe all you hear. There are stories about many that I know to be lies. I have seen logs that I know to be fabricated. Some are true, but some are pure fiction. :D

HarmNone has seen much

[Betheny]

RP is RP... some is good, some is bad, some is mediocre. If you are good at it, it does not make you better than someone who puts forth an effort but sucks. It simply means you have skill they lack.

I'm not even going to go into the GS chat, but suffice to say I used to go in t here, and since I stopped going in there people have begun flinging rumors at me. Why? Because I speak out against elitism and I think anyone that contributes to it is a jackass.

[StrayRogue]

Oh this is talking to people. Get a bunch of women together and see what they come up with...One word: SICK.

[StrayRogue]

Hun, this is not that chat. This was purely the Faire chat, not your uber thing or whatever. As for RP, I aspire to be better. I look up to people. Whats so wrong with holding someone aloft as "great" at something?

[Betheny]

Ah, I thought you meant what I meant.

People that think they're actually better than everyone else, and literally test you to see if you're cool or good enough to hang out with them.

Originally posted by Maimara
Ah, I thought you meant what I meant.

People that think they're actually better than everyone else, and literally test you to see if you're cool or good enough to hang out with them.

I don't like those kinda people.

[HarmNone]

::sighs heavily:: It makes me sad to think that those who are able to roleplay are considered "elitist". It is they who should be helping those who are trying to learn, not rejecting them. That is part of the joy of it all.

Almost tempts me to bring back one or two of my characters, but I just cannot deal with GS the way it has become.

HarmNone

[Neildo]

The Electoral College needs to go. Majority Rules.

And the majority of people are morons. :P

I'd much rather have some well-educated people in their field deciding what's best than some average Joe Schmoe deciding who to choose based off some 5 minute commercial from each candidate and that's it.

Most don't like them, but I love people who don't vote. Why? Because they're not one to just toss away their vote for the hell of it. While it sucks they may have not voted for the better candidate, there's less harm in that non-vote than there is in voting for the worse candidate.

And yeah, I know we're both talking about something different but they're still sort of related. Public opinion just isn't the way to go for most things. Sure when something may be for the public, go for it, but when it's more important for the safety of our country, the right people for the job should make the decisions. Think of it in Gemstone terms.. if staff did everything the players wanted, the game would have turned to shit many years ago. Let the players give fluff ideas, but when it comes to game balance and the like, what the GM says goes. Some things are just too important for yes, the public.


It all depends on your view. Why should a woman be able to choose if she chose to have sex? Oh and I'm sure we are going to have the rape issue brought up too.... so I'll get that done too. Yes if a woman is raped, it is a very VERY sad thing, and I feel sorry for the woman. However does that give her to right to decide that a baby has to die? It is her body, but it's not just her body she's effecting...........

Just so you know, I am pro choice, but you do have to see the other side of the fence.....

It's not as if the abortion is being performed during birth. The baby hasn't seen our world yet. It's performed at an early growth period.

For those pro-life people, here's an honest, yet somewhat humerous/offensive, question you do not have to answer, but at least think about it:

"How many times do you masturbate and/or have sex daily/monthly/yearly?"

If you answer just once, you've killed hundreds and thousands of pre-life more than that one abortion. And that is why I don't take pro-life people seriously when it comes to abortion issues. They're a joke.


On another note, it's pretty bad here in Minnesota. We have a very 'good' welfare system; people move here from all over to get more money...

Haha, yeah, there's this one billboard in Mexico that encourges all immigrants to go to Minnesota because of that.


I am pro-life and I don't think a woman should have any say on if the baby is born or not. It's not her body, it's another individual life growing inside her.

Abortion, in my view, is an act of murder. Period.

I believe that abortions are evil and wrong and are basically the snuffing out of the only type of innocent human life that exists... unborn. It's the destruction of potential... the potential to change the world... and that is what I find most heinous of all.

If the fetus isn't her body than she isn't the fetus' body either. It seems they're each violating one another so they should go their own seperate ways. Time for the doctor lawyer to come and rip the fetus out of her body so they're now seperate and can live each others lives themselves. Oh, but first let's see how far that fetus gets. The fetus cannot grow without her body therefor it IS her body. Unless the fetus is a test tube baby or it can grow on it's own without the mother's aid, only then will it be it's own entity. Oh and hey, Darien, how many sperm babies have you killed today?'


I see a not-so-distant future in which a man shall be surgically implanted with a uterus and all necessary fetus-raising equipment. With this equipment, he will go through pregnancy and give birth through a sugically implanted orifice that is too small for the daunting job it has been given (damned engineers, anyway!). Then, the argument will have a solution and all will be right with the world.

Hmm, I'll have to think about this one. The temptation of being able to eat whatever I want without a care in the world and to get away with it is too great. :P


My grandmother often says that if bearing children was the responsibility of both men and women, with men bearing the first and turns being taken thereafter, there would never be more than two children in any family. Great birth control, eh?

HarmNone has a very smart grandmother

Ha, no way! Men would continue to breed like rabbits due to their male ego trying to compete to see who has the longest.. ahem, from all the stretching and looseness that occurs after giving birth. Remember, stretching for men is a good thing. ;)

- N

[StrayRogue]

Yes, I am well aware of these people. Its why I don't become involved with any Quest in GS.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Oh this is talking to people. Get a bunch of women together and see what they come up with...One word: SICK.

A bunch of women together is much like a bunch of men together. At least half of what they say is bullshit. :D

HarmNone knows bullshit when she steps in it

[Betheny]

Quests aren't so bad. I"ve always been anti -'leet' and pro-new people. I get a lot of shit for it though. While I don't subscribe to elitism, I do feel I'm a decent if not top roleplayer. But that doesn't mean I reserve myself for 'leet' people.

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Yes, I am well aware of these people. Its why I don't become involved with any Quest in GS.

DR Plat was like that x 6767533.28

The cliques were FIERCE and if you weren't in them, you were dirt. I took my girl character on Taisidon with a clique and had to end up killing two of them just to get my fair share of the loot. It was nasty,

[StrayRogue]

It would be grand if you came back HN, but I cannot say you'd not hate much of it. Which is a terrible shame.

[HarmNone]

Ha, no way! Men would continue to breed like rabbits due to their male ego trying to compete to see who has the longest.. ahem, from all the stretching and looseness that occurs after giving birth. Remember, stretching for men is a good thing. ;)

- N

Neildo, dearest, we shall implant an orifice too small for the job, remember? The only way that most important appendage is going to stretch is if the little tyke grabs on during the birth process. ;)

HarmNone

HarmNone? U2U me and tell me who you used to play?

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
It would be grand if you came back HN, but I cannot say you'd not hate much of it. Which is a terrible shame.

It truly is a shame. Both my mother and I have discussed what has happened, and both of us are disappointed. It was inevitable, but that does not mean we have to like it. :(

HarmNone wishes some wonderful things did not have to change

[Tendarian]

"How many times do you masturbate and/or have sex daily/monthly/yearly?"

You're waisting potential life but there was never any life to begin with,hence it wouldnt be wrong unless your i guess catholic or something. The minute my sperm get a heart beat is the time i stop umm doing things that dont lead to pregnancy with them :)

[Betheny]

Yeah, but if you're going to say IT'S LIFE... then you have to take into full account, all of the things that create life. Including bacteria. Viruses. Fungus might be excludeable. But what about ants, and mice, rats... lice... spiders...

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by StrayRogue
It would be grand if you came back HN, but I cannot say you'd not hate much of it. Which is a terrible shame.

It truly is a shame. Both my mother and I have discussed what has happened, and both of us are disappointed. It was inevitable, but that does not mean we have to like it. :(

HarmNone wishes some wonderful things did not have to change

What exactly do you feel changed for the worst?

[StrayRogue]

Well I tried to become involved in the WoN quest the other day...no dice. I'm just not in the club *shrug* the GM didn't even atempt to acknowledge me.

As for the others, I skimmed over the GSS and all I read was complaint this, favourtism that, etc. Not worth the effort to be fair. Besides, I hear its ending is already pre-scripted, and I don't like playing with a rigged deck.

[HarmNone]

I do not share that information, Darien. Many would know at least one or two of my characters. I prefer the current air of mystery. ;)

HarmNone the mysterious

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage

What exactly do you feel changed for the worst?

If you've been around as long as you claim to have been, you'd know the answer to that question.

[Betheny]

WoN is for quest whores only, duh.

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by Maimara
Yeah, but if you're going to say IT'S LIFE... then you have to take into full account, all of the things that create life. Including bacteria. Viruses. Fungus might be excludeable. But what about ants, and mice, rats... lice... spiders...

Sorry i mean human life. I heard a question that went something like this. Say your worst enemy in the world and your favorite pet were drowning in a pool and you could only save one? which one would you save? I would save my worst enemy cause i look at human life as something more important. Unless that person was Saddam or someone like that,then id push them under or something :)

[HarmNone]

I see an overall deterioration in quality control, Darien. Some of the names allowed these days boggle the mind. I also prefer that roleplay be a required element, not simply "encouraged". I do not see much encouragement to roleplay in GS.

I put most of this down to the staggering number of people who play GS. The GMs cannot possibly enforce roleplaying, or much of anything else, when they are so grossly outnumbered.

All in all, it is personal preference. GS just does not offer what I seek.

HarmNone

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Tendarian
Say your worst enemy in the world and your favorite pet were drowning in a pool and you could only save one?

I'd save my pet.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Well I tried to become involved in the WoN quest the other day...no dice. I'm just not in the club *shrug* the GM didn't even atempt to acknowledge me.

I find that so sad, but it is not uncommon to hear this. The GMs just cannot see everyone, and are therefore tempted to watch those they know will be roleplaying. I also know that many of them try hard to notice and reward those who are not so well-known. Again, the sheer numbers work against them.

HarmNone

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Tendarian
Say your worst enemy in the world and your favorite pet were drowning in a pool and you could only save one?

I'd save my pet.

Me too, damnit.

[Betheny]

Should've seen all the crap I went through to get into the GSS ;) It was worth it though.

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage

What exactly do you feel changed for the worst?

If you've been around as long as you claim to have been, you'd know the answer to that question.

I've been around since 1995.

I fail to see the bad in the direction GS4 is headed in...

Everything seems to be improving. I was at my most annoyed when Sorcerers first got neutered. I made a parody website about it way back then:

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/GemStone/sorcspells.html

If you're interested. I've since updated a couple of minor things, but nothing much has been changed.

That sucked... but GS4 looks amazing. So much shiny new stuff. I've always gone in for the eye candy though.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Well I tried to become involved in the WoN quest the other day...no dice. I'm just not in the club *shrug* the GM didn't even atempt to acknowledge me.

I find that so sad, but it is not uncommon to hear this. The GMs just cannot see everyone, and are therefore tempted to watch those they know will be roleplaying. I also know that many of them try hard to notice and reward those who are not so well-known. Again, the sheer numbers work against them.

HarmNone

Yep, I think I stay in GS simply as I am addicted or atleast feel if I left, a good portion of my life would have been wasted. And there is no decent replacement...yet. But me and you both know that time is coming HM ;)

Originally posted by Tendarian

Originally posted by Maimara
Yeah, but if you're going to say IT'S LIFE... then you have to take into full account, all of the things that create life. Including bacteria. Viruses. Fungus might be excludeable. But what about ants, and mice, rats... lice... spiders...

Sorry i mean human life. I heard a question that went something like this. Say your worst enemy in the world and your favorite pet were drowning in a pool and you could only save one? which one would you save? I would save my worst enemy cause i look at human life as something more important. Unless that person was Saddam or someone like that,then id push them under or something :)

If my best human friend and some dog I didn't know were drowning, I'd save the dog... cause I know it'll always be loyal. With the friend, I can only hope.

[HarmNone]

Sorry i mean human life. I heard a question that went something like this. Say your worst enemy in the world and your favorite pet were drowning in a pool and you could only save one? which one would you save?

I would grab the pet. Darned fool human should know how to swim or stay the hell out of the pool!

HarmNone is paraphrasing...is that like parasailing?

[StrayRogue]

Mechanics wise, GS3/4 looks and is amazing. RP wise...its a toilet bowl of poo with the odd gold nugget floating around in there.

Originally posted by HarmNone
I see an overall deterioration in quality control, Darien. Some of the names allowed these days boggle the mind. I also prefer that roleplay be a required element, not simply "encouraged". I do not see much encouragement to roleplay in GS.

I put most of this down to the staggering number of people who play GS. The GMs cannot possibly enforce roleplaying, or much of anything else, when they are so grossly outnumbered.

All in all, it is personal preference. GS just does not offer what I seek.

HarmNone

Ooooh, allow me to point you over here (http://www.unwritten.net).

[HarmNone]

And there is no decent replacement...yet. But me and you both know that time is coming HM ;)

That we do, my British friend, and I am looking forward to it. What tickles me is watching my mother increase her rehab because she wants to play, too! She is working her butt off! :D

HarmNone

[StrayRogue]

Awwww. Thats cool to hear. May I ask what the problem is with her?

[Tendarian]

I cant believe im the only one who would grab the human as i am an evil warmongerer!

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Mechanics wise, GS3/4 looks and is amazing. RP wise...its a toilet bowl of poo with the odd gold nugget floating around in there.

Most remember the "good old days" back when the "true legends" roamed the lands and the HS porch was a place of wonder and mystery.

I remember so many people in game you couldn't move from the lag... people with dumber names than they have even now, a role-play standard remeniscent of Monopoly or Tic-Tac-Toe and a bunch of old farts sitting around on the HS steps complaining about how bad GS has become and stunning anyone who disagreed with them.

As I recall, GemStone was NEVER this utopia of role-play others seem to remember it as. I believe it's just nostalgia confusing you guys.

[HarmNone]

She fell and injured some nerves that have affected fine motor skills in her hands; thus, she cannot type, and it is killing her. She is a magnificent roleplayer, and it just gnaws at her that she cannot play.

With the work she is putting into rehabilitating her hands, I expect her to be up and running before too awfully long. She is determined.

HarmNone loves and admires her mother

Originally posted by Tendarian
I cant believe im the only one who would grab the human as i am an evil warmongerer!

Sorry, I just don't believe that human life is worth more than any other life.

[StrayRogue]

No, believe me, my memory is quite sharp on how good it was. Atleast to me it was. The RP has slipped incredibly. Back then it was more player enforced, these days...we have shit like Warn and such. No, as HN has said, this stopped being an RP game when they stopped insisting on RP.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Tendarian
I cant believe im the only one who would grab the human as i am an evil warmongerer!

::HarmNone grins at Tendarian::

Ain't life weird, man? You just never know what people are going to do!

HarmNone might do anything

[StrayRogue]

:) Thats good to hear she is on the mend. Perhaps some mother/daughter action is possible in the future (RP I mean :D )

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
:) Thats good to hear she is on the mend. Perhaps some mother/daughter action is possible in the future (RP I mean :D )

I would love to have that opportunity again. When we both played before, we rarely played together. This time, I hope we can do so more.

HarmNone

[StrayRogue]

Imagine if your kids played as well...three generations of RPing.

Originally posted by StrayRogue
No, believe me, my memory is quite sharp on how good it was. Atleast to me it was. The RP has slipped incredibly. Back then it was more player enforced, these days...we have shit like Warn and such. No, as HN has said, this stopped being an RP game when they stopped insisting on RP.

Well, I probably don't remember it that way because I was strikingly rebellious back then.

You think I go against the grain now? Oh hell no. If anyone tried to make me do anything, I broke my neck doing the *exact* opposite.

I remember Setzier once telling me I coudn't RP a werewolf. So what did I do? I started using SMILE and ACT to RP a werewolf. It was stupid, I eventually stopped doing it, but not until he gave in and said, "Fine, do what you want."

I was horrible about stuff like that.

Player enforced was never really possible with me, so I never really noticed that aspect.

[StrayRogue]

No offense Klaive, but its people with your attitude that made this game the way it is.

Stray, stop ignoring my IMs please?

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Tendarian
I cant believe im the only one who would grab the human as i am an evil warmongerer!

::HarmNone grins at Tendarian::

Ain't life weird, man? You just never know what people are going to do!

HarmNone might do anything

This is why i would save my enemy. Because no matter how annoying they are,they can shock you and be something else. People dont stay the same shape peg for me to fit them into the holes im trying to put them in.

[StrayRogue]

My AIM is off at the moment.

Originally posted by StrayRogue
My AIM is off at the moment.

Okay, cause you're cool and I like IMing you. I was worried you were angry at me for some reason.

[HarmNone]

This is why i would save my enemy. Because no matter how annoying they are,they can shock you and be something else. People dont stay the same shape peg for me to fit them into the holes im trying to put them in.

Oh, sweetie! You simply must meet my cat!

HarmNone with the schizophrenic cat

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Imagine if your kids played as well...three generations of RPing.

Heh. Yeah, but the kids and my grandmother think my mother and I are a bit "off". We do not let that worry us. We already knew we were "off". :D

HarmNone is "off" and glad of it

[StrayRogue]

Yes so does my family ;) Vegetating infront of the TV is their hobby, unfortunately.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Yes so does my family ;) Vegetating infront of the TV is their hobby, unfortunately.

My kids are into all kinds of things, and spend a lot of time with their families and children. My grandmother reads anything she can get her hands on. Mother is 62, and was one of the older GS players.

In short, we are an odd lot. :D

HarmNone oddest of the odd lot

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Yes so does my family ;) Vegetating infront of the TV is their hobby, unfortunately.

My kids are into all kinds of things, and spend a lot of time with their families and children. My grandmother reads anything she can get her hands on. Mother is 62, and was one of the older GS players.

In short, we are an odd lot. :D

HarmNone oddest of the odd lot

I adore reading, I hate books. I want nothing greater than all 5 Harry Potter books on CD-ROM... I'd read them all again... but as much as I *LOVED* book 5, reading the book was incredibly taxing on my eyes and posture.

[StrayRogue]

Wow, thats four generations HN? Incredible.

[Neildo]

Sorry i mean human life. I heard a question that went something like this. Say your worst enemy in the world and your favorite pet were drowning in a pool and you could only save one? which one would you save? I would save my worst enemy cause i look at human life as something more important. Unless that person was Saddam or someone like that,then id push them under or something

Worst enemy over favorite pet? Oh hell no. I'd try and save both, but my favorite pet would be saved first. And yes, even though I know I could only save one. I'd still try and save the second (the human) even though it'd be a failure. I could make an exception to saving the human over one or some of my pets (the turtle, frogs, and fish, heh) but not my FAVORITE one. Sorry, but a dog is a man's best friend so that worst enemy can drown and go to hell. No doggie martyr's here.

I hold grudges and am very spiteful. So if someone is my worst enemy, I literally could care less what happens to them. And if there were no laws against it, I would have no problem killing them. I work with extremes. It's funny, I can be the most caring person in the world yet also be the most cruel bastard as well. Thankfully I lean a lot more towards the good side though.


This is why i would save my enemy. Because no matter how annoying they are,they can shock you and be something else. People dont stay the same shape peg for me to fit them into the holes im trying to put them in.

Hmm, well since you said that second sentence, I can make an exception to saving my enemy over my favorite pet. It would only be if that worst enemy were a girl and I could train her to be my slave as the price for saving her life. Hey, I lost one trained animal, I need another! :P


Sorry, I just don't believe that human life is worth more than any other life. - Klaive

Cool, so if ever anyone in your family needs to have an abortion done, just have someone dangle a puppy out the window in exchange to have the fetus removed and you'll allow it to happen. ;)

- N

PS - This thread has so many darned various discussions in it, lol.

[GS4Gurl]

disturbing..

Originally posted by Neildo

Cool, so if ever anyone in your family needs to have an abortion done, just have someone dangle a puppy out the window in exchange to have the fetus removed and you'll allow it to happen. ;)

- N



Sorry, no. I'd push the asshole out the window while plucking the puppy from his arms and sitting it down on the floor. Then, as the asshole puppy killer splatted messily upon the pavement below, I'd bitchslap whatever traitor in my family was trying to get an abortion since we're all fiercely pro-life and since I was going to jail anyway, drop kick the doctor in the head.

[HarmNone]

I could make an exception to saving the human over one or some of my pets (the turtle, frogs, and fish, heh)

Promise to let me know if ever your turtle, your fish, or your frog is drowning, Neildo. I shall rescue them myself! :P

HarmNone, savior of drowning fish:rolleyes:

Originally posted by HarmNone

I could make an exception to saving the human over one or some of my pets (the turtle, frogs, and fish, heh)

Promise to let me know if ever your turtle, your fish, or your frog is drowning, Neildo. I shall rescue them myself! :P

HarmNone, savior of drowning fish:rolleyes:

Fish are the only animal I condone killing for food.

Not cause I don't like fish, but cause... honestly... nothing beats a really delicious fried fish, or battered Captain D's/Long John Silver's fish either.

Recently we had a fish fry and someone had some REALLY fresh black bass they had caught in Pyramid Lake... they were swimming around in the bucket and everything... I didn't watch them prepare them, but I had some and it was absolutely delectible. ::drools:: Mmmmmmm...

[draconis nematoda]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Bush is a joke. Respect my ass. Yeah, I will respect the president when he doesn't get us into war, debt, start killing our people to fight something only he wants to.

And which President in your lifetime hasn't done any of these things?

Originally posted by draconis nematoda

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Bush is a joke. Respect my ass. Yeah, I will respect the president when he doesn't get us into war, debt, start killing our people to fight something only he wants to.

And which President in your lifetime hasn't done any of these things?

Chris Rock.

[GSLeloo]

I actually really like England...

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I actually really like England...

Me too!

[GSLeloo]

I believe in the freedoms I am given by America. I am given the right to speak my mind, including how I feel about my president. Take that away from me and you are taking away my rights and therefore we're no better than any other country. and I have a question, if Hitler was our president, would anyone expect us to be respectful just because he holds the title "President"

[StrayRogue]

Come over and visit Leloo ;)

[GSLeloo]

Yay!!! I've only been to England once. And it was hot (Which sucked cause i hate the heat and had been hoping for cooler weather). But the weather there doesn't bother me cause fall happens to be my favorite season.

[StrayRogue]

Yeah, we had a very hot summer. Most likely will have a very cold winter as well. Damn Global Warming.

[GSLeloo]

My summer's been pretty good. Basically spring weather the entire time and a lot of storms and the moment it turned September, it went into fall weather. I've been enjoying the breeze. Perfect weather to read...

[StrayRogue]

Heh, over here, the fall is pretty much an insta introduction to Winter. Its damn cold. April-May is the "cool" period.

[GSLeloo]

I prefer the cold. Cause when you get cold, you can do lots to make yourself warm (blankets, soup, hot chocolate) but when you're hot, there's like nothing that helps.

[StrayRogue]

Heh, my philosophy exactly. I am a pale sod, and I burn easily. Plus my furry mane is much more use in the winter.

[Hips]

Originally posted by Demon Lord Kage
Not cause I don't like fish, but cause... honestly... nothing beats a really delicious fried fish, or battered Captain D's/Long John Silver's fish either.

You want good fish? Go to England and have fish & chips. And not the crappy stuff they give tourists, I mean like... the real GOOD stuff. Mmmmm... my mouth is watering as I type this. ;)

[StrayRogue]

:D GO ENGLAND. I had Fish & Chips for dinner actually. Smothered in a lovely curry sauce. Yum. National favourite.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I actually really like England...

I second that...England is great. I *loved* London when I was there...totally dig the London accents (who would have thought one city could have like 3-4 accent variations)

[Hips]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
:D GO ENGLAND. I had Fish & Chips for dinner actually. Smothered in a lovely curry sauce. Yum. National favourite.

-sob-
I want to go back, and now you're just making it worse.

Edited to add:
Hey Leloo, Weedmage Princess... let's all go to England together and kidnap StrayRogue. ;)

[Edited on 9-12-2003 by GS3 Michiko]

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I actually really like England...

I second that...England is great. I *loved* London when I was there...totally dig the London accents (who would have thought one city could have like 3-4 accent variations)

Omg, only 3-4. Accents are a huge thing in England; it is like the first thing after appearance. There are sooooo many accents and dialects. Its just one of those tell tale signs like "Oh, you have a such and such accent, you must be from here or there, you soft southern fairy/northern monkey".

BTW there is much angst between north and south ;)

[Weedmage Princess]

LOL Stray--my favorite is (Londoner to say--someone from Manchester or Birmingham) "You stupid Northern git!" (said all sexy like in that West London type accent) *nods*

[StrayRogue]

lol, that sounds so familiar. The southern accent is much more sharper, perhaps louder and higher. Its the typical "Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrells" cockney speak. The northerners are much more broad and deep. They south tough.

[Weedmage Princess]

What part are you from?

[StrayRogue]

Heh, I am moving to the middle, though I am north at the moment, though I have experienced little bits of everywhere. I have been told I have an accent, but I can't tell personally. I try to speak all upper class like. Bottom. etc.

Edited to add a "d"

[Edited on 12-9-03 by StrayRogue]

[Weedmage Princess]

Heh...

I hear the North is very pretty. I wanted to head up that way (I knew someone from Manchester) but...didn't get the chance. Maybe someday.

[StrayRogue]

Manchester rocks. I love that place. A very groovy city.

[Weedmage Princess]

So I've heard. I heard Birmingham is pretty nice, too. Liverpool I heard sucks.

[GSLeloo]

When I went, we went to Devon and Cornwall but spent most of the time in London. We found the BEST Indian food there... some restaurant called something like the Tandoori lilly? Whatever it was, it was so good and that's how my aunt and I became obsessed with Indian food.

[StrayRogue]

Otherway round my dear...but its in the eye of the beholder. There is lots to do and see in both cities. I dislike Birmingham as its a dirty, industrial complex that is slowly being re-made over. Liverpool has a shit reputation, but the centre is one of the most culturally active places in the country.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
When I went, we went to Devon and Cornwall but spent most of the time in London. We found the BEST Indian food there... some restaurant called something like the Tandoori lilly? Whatever it was, it was so good and that's how my aunt and I became obsessed with Indian food.

OMG!! The *BEST* chicken I've eaten EVER was at this Indian restaurant in London. I forget the name of the restaurant..and the name of the dish, but...it was in this coconut sauce, and had a lil kick to it...some kinda curry I think...not sure though...but it was SOOOO good.

[GSLeloo]

I kind of know what you're talking about! I've had that chicken and it's soooooo good! And that bread they give too, oh my god it's to die for.

[StrayRogue]

Hehe, we are big curry fans in our house ;) I'm glad you liked it, and that it wasn't the wet, tea saturated snob hole you all envisioned ;) Come back some time.

[Betheny]

I haven't had curry for months.

[StrayRogue]

The bread is called a naan. What colour was the sauce the chicken was in?

[GSLeloo]

Kind of like a tannish color.

[Weedmage Princess]

Yeah, tannish white...coconut stuff....*drools* Now I'm going to spend the next hour trying to find some Indian restaurant in Boston.

And I never thought England was a snobby tea-hole!

[StrayRogue]

Bah, most are tannish!
If it was a bit yellowy, with a hint of coconut, it probably would have been a korma. Low down on the hot-scale ;)


http://www.currypages.com/

[Weedmage Princess]

Yeah, see I want to say "white with some kind of lil specs in it" but it was pretty dark in that restaurant so I can't be certain. I do know it was light in color though..like tan *ducks* if that helps. (which I'm sure it doesn't)