WSJ: GOP Activist Who Sought Clinton Emails Cited Trump Campaign Officials

[Tgo01]

Now that you've admitted that a campaign should not do what Trump's did...do you think that there should be any consequences for it, or that we should all just accept it and be okay with it?

If you all want to be honest with yourselves and want actual reform here and not just a "OMG! IT'S TRUMP AND RUSSIA!" Then sure, yeah, "do something" about it.

If you're just using this to push your anti-Trump hysteria then just fuck off.

Personally I don't think it's that big of a deal no matter which candidate does shit like this. But if you all want "clean" elections then go ahead and try to get something changed. Nothing will change though, especially if you're motivated by your hatred for Trump as opposed to wanting actual election reform, and especially if you tackle this issue from the angle that what Trump's campaign did is already illegal, as opposed to wanting this type of shit to be illegal from now on. Again, no matter who does it, not just the candidate you hate.

Honestly no matter what Trump Jr did nothing wrong or shady. The only possible shady bit is someone from Trump's campaign was supposedly at the meeting, and even then it would greatly depend on what that person knew. If Trump Jr. just said "Hey I have a meeting I want you to be a part of" then again what is wrong legally or ethically with that?

Now the part you people are supposedly so concerned about because TRUMP is if someone from Trump's campaign knew what the meeting was about ahead of time, which is someone has some dirt on his political opponent. Exactly what do you guys think should be illegal about this?

Campaigns can't dig up dirt on other people at all? Just can't accept dirt from foreign nationals? Can't accept dirt from RUSSIA? Be specific because honestly all it looks like is anti Trump hysteria.

As far as your question of what the consequences should be? Like any other scandal, manufactured or real, don't vote for Trump next election if you feel it's that big of a deal. You honestly think, what, prison or impeachment is the answer here?

[drauz]

I have a problem if there is an exchange of goods/services. If you are just receiving information and giving up nothing in return, then I have no problem with it.

[Tgo01]

I have a problem if there is an exchange of goods/services. If you are just receiving information and giving up nothing in return, then I have no problem with it.

Exactly.

Like, since when is being told something illegal or even immoral?

Shit, I can't even see how it's illegal to ask someone for information.

The only reason I say I can see it being bad that political candidates do shit like this is because people seem to expect "more" from our politicians. People are tired of dirty politics, they are tired of money in politics, they are tired of not giving Dreaven 100k a year. Okay, fine, in that sense I can see how people might say "Enough is enough, let's reform this shit." I'm not part of that camp, but I can see people making that argument.

But as of now you have a Russian lawyer who had to tell someone, who had to tell someone, who had to tell someone to set up a meeting with a private citizen (in case you all forgot Donald Trump Jr wasn't running for president) to give them information?

Okay? The crime? The scandal? The immorality of it all? Someone help me out here?

[cwolff]

I have a problem if there is an exchange of goods/services. If you are just receiving information and giving up nothing in return, then I have no problem with it.

This can't happen without an exchange of some kind. And we don't know if a deal was cut or not. We sure know they did a shitty job hiding it, but hid it long enough to keep it out of the campaign,

So, he attempted to receive some service from Russia, but she didn't deliver. At least we know that because he said so.

[Tgo01]

This can't happen without an exchange of some kind.

What?


And we don't know if a deal was cut or not.

Exactly. So again, where's the scandal?

What we do have is all parties involved saying no deal transpired.

[cwolff]

Okay? The crime? The scandal? The immorality of it all? Someone help me out here?

You can't receive material help like this from another country for your campaign. Its at least and elections violation. Could be a security clearance issue also. It opens them to blackmail wether they leave the meeting indebted to Russians or not. The Russians have the paper trail and the actual meeting. This is no small thing.

Its worth remembering that we only have the white house and Don Jr's version of events and even their version keeps changing

[cwolff]

What?



Exactly. So again, where's the scandal?

What we do have is all parties involved saying no deal transpired.

Their word isn't good enough for one thing. That's obvious for obvious reasons. Trust but verify.

Then we have Jr trying to engage in collusion with Russia but failing to. That's fucked up. Really you should be outraged.

[Tgo01]

You can't receive material help like this from another country for your campaign.

Trump Jr received it. But okay, supposedly he asked Manafort to sit in on the meeting. So receiving dirt on your opponent is okay as long as said dirt comes from an American?


Its at least and elections violation. Could be a security clearance issue also.

Source for any of this?


It opens them to blackmail wether they leave the meeting indebted to Russians or not. The Russians have the paper trail and the actual meeting. This is no small thing.

Bullshit. Receiving information opens them up to blackmail?


Its worth remembering that we only have the white house and Don Jr's version of events and even their version keeps changing

What other side are you waiting for? The lawyer who has denied any government involvement?

[Tgo01]

Their word isn't good enough for one thing. That's obvious for obvious reasons. Trust but verify.

What?


Then we have Jr trying to engage in collusion with Russia but failing to. That's fucked up. Really you should be outraged.

Jr at the time was a PRIVATE CITIZEN. So now private citizens can't receive information? Or just can't receive information from RUSSIA?

[Shaps]

I go one of two ways on this:

1. The investigation is ongoing and hopefully will be handled impartially. Regardless of political party, an honest accounting and guilt/innocence should be assigned. Reading the e-mail chain, Trump Jr. was an idiot and should be looked at. Do I think anything he did affected the outcome of the election? No, but his actions should be investigated. I actually think this has more to do with Manafort, but that's my personal opinion so I'll wait to see how it shakes out.

2. If such a standard is going to be applied and the left is going to go all righteous about it.. then full investigations and guilt/innocence should be assigned. The way the left nit-picks and defines the "law" when it benefits them is a complete 180 when it could impact them. For the left to get all "holier-than-thou" now pisses me off, just like what Trump Jr. did pisses me off. I'm an equal opportunity guy.

As a reminder.. since this is all about "collusion" and using Russian "intelligence".. The Democrats used false Russian "intelligence" during the campaign to try and discredit Trump (the peeing on hookers in hotels, etc.). At that time, no one was crying about "collusion" or trying to affect the outcome of an election using foreign "intelligence". Since information was released regarding the DNC and their internal workings, all hell has broken lose and it's the end of democracy as we know it. Get over yourselves and the self-righteousness.

This is why I hate politicians regardless of political party right now. About the only thing I hate more are the hypocrites that push their side and shift the facts.

I think the Clinton's should be in prison for half the shit they did. I think Obama had decent intentions, but absolutely fucked things up in a number of areas. I think anyone within the Trump circle should be held to account if they broke any laws. I think the Republicans are inept, afraid to stand their ground, and won't do what they've campaigned on because they've been pussy whipped by the media when it really comes down to implementing legislation.

Mainly I wish the fucking law would be applied evenly to everyone... I wish that the lawmakers would actually think of us, instead of how to maintain their power base in Washington... and it should be legal to bitch slap your elected representatives when they're acting like fools (I'm dreaming I know).

[cwolff]

He says in his email that he'll have manafort and Kushner sit in so no supposedly there.

No source, will have to try to find it. Heard this from a talking head who said its probably not illegal but a campaign violation which would be civil or something. He wasn't optimistic that there would be much if any penalty.

Yes, blackmail. They gained leverage on trump with this meeting. It was a win win for Russians.

You're accepting the word of the Russian at face value. Why?

You can trust them but this shots gotta be followed up. You don't just laugh it off as if you tried to smoke weed bit,couldn't inhale.

He was a leader in his fathers campaign for President of the United States. That's not just a private citizen.

[cwolff]

That dossier isn't dead yet.


The FBI may be taking cues from Steele's dossier because it has worked with him in the past, according to Wood.

Steele, who cultivated an extensive network of Russian sources during his time on British intelligence agency MI6's Moscow desk, apparently worked with the FBI on Russia- and Ukraine-related matters between 2013 and 2016 - specifically with the FBI's Eurasian Joint Organized Crime Squad, according to a lengthy profile in Vanity Fair.

[Tgo01]

He says in his email that he'll have manafort and Kushner sit in so no supposedly there.

That doesn't mean he actually asked them to. He could have said he was going to do a strip tease on the table, doesn't mean he did.


Heard this from a talking head who said its probably not illegal but a campaign violation which would be civil or something.

Let me guess, a talking head from CNN?


Yes, blackmail. They gained leverage on trump with this meeting. It was a win win for Russians.

What leverage? "You spoke with one of our citizens!"

I mean, sure, yeah, now that the Democrats have reignited red fever you might have a point, but when this was all happening no one would have even blinked about Jr meeting with a Russian citizen.


You're accepting the word of the Russian at face value. Why?

What more do you want? What we know is Jr, the Russian chick and probably Manafort and his brother in law were there. All of them have said what happened. The emails have been released. What more do you think can be done? Are we going to kidnap the Russian chick and torture her until she changes her story? Throw Manafort in jail until he changes his tune?


He was a leader in his fathers campaign for President of the United States. That's not just a private citizen.

Again, so?

[cwolff]

See, a lot of your points here are based on us only knowing what they have been forced to admit. That's why we need more info. Since when do investigations end because the two people being investigated were like, "its cool. Nothing happened."

Don Jr. denied Russian contacts...vehemently. He accused Clintons people of lying about Russians and Russia wanting to help trump. So right there Russia got leverage. They have a paper trail saying they want to help and Jr. saying he loves it.

[Tgo01]

See, a lot of your points here are based on us only knowing what they have been forced to admit. That's why we need more info.

From where?


Since when do investigations end because the two people being investigated were like, "its cool. Nothing happened."

We usually start investigations because we think a crime has been committed. What you're basically saying is you don't like the looks of this so you want to investigate it to see if we can come up with a crime. That's not how it works and it's, dare I say, UNAMERICAN of you to want it to work like that.


Don Jr. denied Russian contacts...vehemently. He accused Clintons people of lying about Russians and Russia wanting to help trump. So right there Russia got leverage. They have a paper trail saying they want to help and Jr. saying he loves it.

Paper trail, from a British publicist.

Again, how is accusing Hillary of lying and Russia wanting to help Trump leverage? What? Again, this happened back when everyone thought for sure Hillary was going to win so red fever hadn't yet swept the land. No one gave a shit that either candidate's campaign was discussing anything with any foreign citizen.

[cwolff]

Philadelphia (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign manager is alleging that Russian hackers are leaking Democratic National Committee emails critical of Bernie Sanders in an effort to help Donald Trump win the election in November.

It comes on the heels of "changes to the Republican platform to make it more pro-Russian," Robby Mook told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" Sunday

This is from June 25th last year. Donald Trump Jr. called him a liar. Emphatically. Now we know that Don Jr. was told Russia wanted to help and he took a meeting to check out what help he could get.

So Russians say they rep Russia and want to help trump, hes cool with that, but when hes outed he lies about it. That's leverage. Can you see how that could possibly be used against trump?


Other info is gathered through basic detective work, intercepts, leakers etc.... Our national security apparatus knows how to do this.

You're confusing national security with the job of a beat cop. They don't wait for the dead body before investigating and i bet Every one in government signed some waiver agreeing to terms of their clearances that allow them to be looked at by investigators

[cwolff]

https://youtu.be/aiEGEGcokUc

Here's trump jr saying Clinton's campaign manager is a liar. Now we know that Jr. was lying, and he knew Russia wanted to help.

Can you see how this raises some rather serious questions?

Btw: meeting June 9th, this denial July 25th.

[cwolff]

And here is the campaign finance law statute that he at least attempted to violate.


There's a strong case that Donald Trump Jr. violated the prohibition on knowingly soliciting a contribution from a foreign national," said Brendan Fischer of Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance reform group.

The relevant statute — 52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510 — bars foreign nationals from making any "contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value" in connection with any election. It also says no American "shall knowingly solicit, accept or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation" in connection with any election.

[Tgo01]

So Russians say they rep Russia and want to help trump, hes cool with that, but when hes outed he lies about it. That's leverage. Can you see how that could possibly be used against trump?

No. What sort of leverage do they have here? "We have information that one of our citizens spoke with your son and he lied about it!" SCANDAL! This would all be a complete non-story if the left hadn't lost their damn mind to Trump derangement syndrome and the red scare.


Other info is gathered through basic detective work, intercepts, leakers etc.... Our national security apparatus knows how to do this.

Yes, they need a crime to investigate. They don't just start investigating because someone doesn't like the way it looks and hope they find a crime in the process.


You're confusing national security with the job of a beat cop.

Doesn't matter if a local police force in a town of 10,000 people or the FBI, they need to have a crime to investigate first. If during the course of the investigation they uncover other possible crimes then that's fine too.

It's a dangerous road to go down where you want law enforcement to just pick someone and say "Hey, let's investigate that guy and see what turns up" in the hopes of finding a crime.

Is that the road you want to go down? Is bringing down Trump worth it?

[Tgo01]

The relevant statute — 52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510 — bars foreign nationals from making any "contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value" in connection with any election. It also says no American "shall knowingly solicit, accept or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation" in connection with any election.

You're joking, right?

Does this sound like it covers a spoken word?

[Parkbandit]

And here is the campaign finance law statute that he at least attempted to violate.

The key word here is "finance" law.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-st3MqdESRbs/WSLHFygTcdI/AAAAAAABb6w/qnutwR3jN_4AYrS95qqt54aK9gLah18KACLcB/s640/Nah.gif

[cwolff]

What leverage? "You spoke with one of our citizens!"

I mean, sure, yeah, now that the Democrats have reignited red fever you might have a point, but when this was all happening no one would have even blinked about Jr meeting with a Russian citizen.

Do you agree or not agree that Don Jr. was going to meet an agent of the Russian government who was providing opposition research from the Russian government?


What more do you want? What we know is Jr, the Russian chick and probably Manafort and his brother in law were there. All of them have said what happened. The emails have been released. What more do you think can be done? Are we going to kidnap the Russian chick and torture her until she changes her story? Throw Manafort in jail until he changes his tune?

Correction; some emails were released. We don't have any corroboration about what was discussed and follow up. It's ok though. This little fiasco is getting our intelligence services to look more deeply at message traffic relating to the Trumps. Hell, they're probably looking at everything now.



You're joking, right?

Does this sound like it covers a spoken word?

How much does opposition research cost?

[Wrathbringer]

Do you agree or not agree that Don Jr. was going to meet an agent of the Russian government who was providing opposition research from the Russian government?



Correction; some emails were released. We don't have any corroboration about what was discussed and follow up. It's ok though. This little fiasco is getting our intelligence services to look more deeply at message traffic relating to the Trumps. Hell, they're probably looking at everything now.




How much does opposition research cost?

no one cares. Fake news. #witchhunt

[time4fun]

The email chain was forwarded to Kushner and Manafort.

Has Tgo figured out yet that the email explicitly states in numerous ways that the information was coming from the highest levels of the Russian government yet?

[Wrathbringer]

The email chain was forwarded to Kushner and Manafort.

Has Tgo figured out yet that the email explicitly states in numerous ways that the information was coming from the highest levels of the Russian government yet?

Have you figured out that no one cares and nothing will come of this?

[cwolff]

The email chain was forwarded to Kushner and Manafort.

Has Tgo figured out yet that the email explicitly states in numerous ways that the information was coming from the highest levels of the Russian government yet?

I don't think so but I just asked. So far they seem to simply refer to her as just a woman lawyer who happens to have been born in Russia.

[time4fun]

I don't think so but I just asked. So far they seem to simply refer to her as just a woman lawyer who happens to have been born in Russia.

It helps that he clearly didn't bother reading the email chain

[cwolff]

It helps that he clearly didn't bother reading the email chain

Ya right. The first two paragraphs answer pretty much every question.

[cwolff]

HAHAHAHA!

Trump just fucked up another handshake. Poor bastard. They'll be making fun of that one now too. This time it was Macron's wife.

[SHAFT]

So he broke no laws, ok thanks. Next!

I think I'll continue to listen to people that are.. I don't know...geniuses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wohYNCD4u-E

Honestly with your level of retardation a private citizen would never be able to run for office.

I've narrowed it down: you're a dumbfuck internet troll.

I whole heartedly agree this isn't treason, and likely nothing the trumps could've done will amount to treason, but JR certainly violated FECA. Penalties which include fines and imprisonment.

If it turns out there was a phone call between JR and Emin, which the evidence shows there could have been, I think JR will have a tough time explaining himself. Tougher than he's already had.

Let's not rule out the possibility of recordings existing of this meeting as well. The Russians are slimy.

[Neveragain]

I've narrowed it down: you're a dumbfuck internet troll.

I whole heartedly agree this isn't treason, and likely nothing the trumps could've done will amount to treason, but JR certainly violated FECA. Penalties which include fines and imprisonment.

If it turns out there was a phone call between JR and Emin, which the evidence shows there could have been, I think JR will have a tough time explaining himself. Tougher than he's already had.

Let's not rule out the possibility of recordings existing of this meeting as well. The Russians are slimy.

Everybody has their dreams.

Can you explain how any FECA laws were broken considering that FECA is a law about campaign finance?

Live the dream bro, live it.

[Androidpk]

I've narrowed it down: you're a dumbfuck internet troll.

I whole heartedly agree this isn't treason, and likely nothing the trumps could've done will amount to treason, but JR certainly violated FECA. Penalties which include fines and imprisonment.

If it turns out there was a phone call between JR and Emin, which the evidence shows there could have been, I think JR will have a tough time explaining himself. Tougher than he's already had.

Let's not rule out the possibility of recordings existing of this meeting as well. The Russians are slimy.

Doesn't matter, his dad will give him a pardon.

[Methais]

This is the problem here. If you dismiss CNN, NYT, WaPo and the other "MSM's" then there really is no help for you. You can't argue with willful ignorance. It's like talking to Ken Hamm

I only trust the PC to deliver the truth in news.


That's such a cop out. Humans seem to have a unlimited resources to rationalize away uncomfortable shit and you're making full use of this ability. It's your Super Power.

Let me guess...you're the exception to this human "attribute"?

[Methais]

You know what the difference is?

No other President has ever invited another country to meddle in OUR elections and then gone on a mission to discredit any notion that it happened.

And if you don't see how that makes someone a horrible American and unfit for anything other than life in prison, then I can't help you.

You calling anyone a horrible American is hilarious as fuck. Like just pretend I'm making 10 posts saying AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, except mine are right and yours are wrong as usual.

[Astray]

You calling anyone a horrible American is hilarious as fuck. Like just pretend I'm making 10 posts saying AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, except mine are right and yours are wrong as usual.

No but it was "funny" though. Somehow. Only to T4F.

[Neveragain]

life in prison

Nothing says fascist like political prisoners.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPthb7qUpfk

[Methais]

The angry conservative mob likes to try to harass people they disagree with out of arguing with them. Don't buy into their childish games. They're pathetic and unworthy of being taken seriously.

Insert 10 pages of AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Methais]

When you can't dispute the facts- you attack the messenger.

There's a desperate need on the right to attack the journalists who are uncovering incriminating information about the administration and the campaign so they can avoid having to actually talk about what's been uncovered.

Start dealing with the actual facts of the situation. Stop ignoring it. If you can't dispute those facts- then you need to own up to that fact.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[time4fun]

I've narrowed it down: you're a dumbfuck internet troll.

I whole heartedly agree this isn't treason, and likely nothing the trumps could've done will amount to treason, but JR certainly violated FECA. Penalties which include fines and imprisonment.

If it turns out there was a phone call between JR and Emin, which the evidence shows there could have been, I think JR will have a tough time explaining himself. Tougher than he's already had.

Let's not rule out the possibility of recordings existing of this meeting as well. The Russians are slimy.

There was almost certainly a phone call. If you read the email thread, right after the back and forth where they are literally setting up a call (he can call you in 20 minutes, what number should he call you at, my cell, etc etc), there's this:


Don

Hope all is well

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

I believe you are aware of the meeting – and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?

I assume it would be at your office.

There's no "Sorry you two didn't get to connect", etc that you would expect had they not managed to make a call work. But, just as important, the email right after that refers to "the Russian government attorney" as though Donald Trump Jr already knows who it is. And then "I believe you are aware of the meeting" is pretty obvious. They spoke, and Goldstone is under the impression the meeting was discussed on the previous phone call.

PS Tgo- RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LAWYER.

[time4fun]

A lot of news broke last night.

First up, from McClatchy (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html):



Investigators at the House and Senate Intelligence committees and the Justice Department are examining whether the Trump campaign’s digital operation – overseen by Jared Kushner – helped guide Russia’s sophisticated voter targeting and fake news attacks on Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Congressional and Justice Department investigators are focusing on whether Trump’s campaign pointed Russian cyber operatives to certain voting jurisdictions in key states – areas where Trump’s digital team and Republican operatives were spotting unexpected weakness in voter support for Hillary Clinton, according to several people familiar with the parallel inquiries.


Also under scrutiny is the question of whether Trump associates or campaign aides had any role in assisting the Russians in publicly releasing thousands of emails, hacked from the accounts of top Democrats, at turning points in the presidential race, mainly through the London-based transparency web site WikiLeaks.


And I think that this crew here tends to lose sight of what the Russian meddling operation actually was. McClasky sums up one of the pillars well:



By Election Day, an automated Kremlin cyberattack of unprecedented scale and sophistication had delivered critical and phony news about the Democratic presidential nominee to the Twitter and Facebook accounts of millions of voters. Some investigators suspect the Russians targeted voters in swing states, even in key precincts.

Russia’s operation used computer commands knowns as “bots” to collect and dramatically heighten the reach of negative or fabricated news about Clinton, including a story in the final days of the campaign accusing her of running a pedophile ring at a Washington pizzeria.

If I recall correctly, that was one of the many completely fabricated stories that PK would routinely spout out as though it were news. Congrats PK- you were buying into garbage stories perpetuated by the Russian intelligence operation. You must be so proud.

[time4fun]

CNN also released a video last night of Trump hobnobbing with Ron Goldstone and both Aras and Emin Agalarov in 2013 (Russian Oligarch and his son- both of whom were referenced in the DTJ emails). 1

Of course, during the Hannity interview DTJ made several dismissive claims about the relationship he and his family had with the Agalarovs.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hnxPWo49Qk

[Wrathbringer]

A lot of news broke last night.

Broke? as in, broke down crying? Like you did after Trump won the election? That's hilarious.

[Wrathbringer]

CNN also released a video last night of Trump hobnobbing with Ron Goldstone and both Aras and Emin Agalarov in 2013 (Russian Oligarch and his son- both of whom were referenced in the DTJ emails). 1

Of course, during the Hannity interview DTJ made several dismissive claims about the relationship he and his family had with the Agalarovs.

I bet you hobnob a lot.

[Stolis]

A lot of news broke last night.

First up, from McClatchy (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html):






And I think that this crew here tends to lose sight of what the Russian meddling operation actually was. McClasky sums up one of the pillars well:



If I recall correctly, that was one of the many completely fabricated stories that PK would routinely spout out as though it were news. Congrats PK- you were buying into garbage stories perpetuated by the Russian intelligence operation. You must be so proud.

How many kleenexes do you go through a night when you realize none of what you say is accurate and everything you keep quoting is just a waste of time?

[time4fun]

How many kleenexes do you go through a night when you realize none of what you say is accurate and everything you keep quoting is just a waste of time?



Indulge me. What have I said so far that was inaccurate? That's an odd comment to make in a post that was largely just citing a news story.

[Stolis]

Indulge me. What have I said so far that was inaccurate? That's an odd comment to make in a post that was largely just citing a news story.

Literally most of the things you say are so asinine and stupid it either proves you're the greatest troll on the forum, or you're an idiot.

[Wrathbringer]

Literally most of the things you say are so asinine and stupid it either proves you're the greatest troll on the forum, or you're an idiot.

qft

[time4fun]

Literally most of the things you say are so asinine and stupid it either proves you're the greatest troll on the forum, or you're an idiot.

So you can't name a single thing I said, but your one initial reply was to a post that was 99% me just quoting a news source.

I think what you mean to say is, "You say things I don't like to hear, and you should stop".

Your personal level of comfort with information is not what determines its veracity.

[Back]

Literally most of the things you say are so asinine and stupid it either proves you're the greatest troll on the forum, or you're an idiot.

Going around insulting people without making a point makes you what?

[Stolis]

So you can't name a single thing I said, but your one initial reply was to a post that was 99% me just quoting a news source.

I think what you mean to say is, "You say things I don't like to hear, and you should stop".

Your personal level of comfort with information is not what determines its veracity.

Say something intelligent instead of talking out of your ass 99% of the time, and then you can get civilized discussions with adults.

As for Beck, I just figured I'd speak down on a level she's comfortable with. She insults the majority of posters if they don't agree with her, so might as well just cut straight to the point.

[time4fun]

Say something intelligent instead of talking out of your ass 99% of the time, and then you can get civilized discussions with adults.

As for Beck, I just figured I'd speak down on a level she's comfortable with. She insults the majority of posters if they don't agree with her, so might as well just cut straight to the point.

And still absolutely nothing. You can't point to a single thing I've said that was inaccurate. Let alone "literally most" of the things I've said.

And you replied to posts that were citing news sources. That's the opposite of "talking out of your ass". Ironically, you're doing exactly that right now though.

You're coming across as a petulant child. You don't like the facts, so you're hoping to throw a big enough tantrum to make them go away.

[Stolis]

You're coming across as a petulant child. You don't like the facts, so you're hoping to throw a big enough tantrum to make them go away.

This is literally your MO on posting.

[Androidpk]

This is literally your MO on posting.

Pretty much, either agree with her or she starts throwing out insults.

[Back]

Say something intelligent instead of talking out of your ass 99% of the time, and then you can get civilized discussions with adults.

As for Beck, I just figured I'd speak down on a level she's comfortable with. She insults the majority of posters if they don't agree with her, so might as well just cut straight to the point.

So you have no point. Got it.

[time4fun]

Even Fox News is starting to report accurately on this situation (Shep Smith, anyway)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8J0JAcTIXA

[Savageheart]

Pretty much, either agree with her or she starts throwing out insults.

This is everyone here when I started posting except for a few. Calling her out for calling someone else out for the same shit is getting trite.

Especially when she makes the RARE salient point.

[time4fun]

This is everyone here when I started posting except for a few. Calling her out for calling someone else out for the same shit is getting trite.

Especially when she makes the RARE salient point.

So very rare.

Tell me- who here has a great track record of accurately assessing and predicting the Russia story?

[Androidpk]

Especially when she makes the RARE salient point.

Let me know when she finally makes one.

[Neveragain]

This is literally your MO on posting.

Never forget when you're dealing with the likes of Time4fascism this is the type of people you're dealing with.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV0KJsP0KTE

Their really fun at parties.

[time4fun]

Let me know when she finally makes one.

You mean like that time I correctly called the outcome (including the FBI's legal reasoning behind it) of the Clinton investigation?

Or that time last year when I correctly pointed out that Trump's ties to Russia were a huge story, and you and the others jeered and laughed yourselves silly about it?

Or that time I correctly predicted that Trump and his campaign actually did know about the Russian meddling and were deceiving the American people about it?

Or when I said- by the way- Russia DID actually meddle in our elections?

Or when I said- hey some of the stuff on the dossier is actually turning out to be true?

Or when I said that Paul Manafort's ties to Russia were a huge problem, and that he was going to be in trouble for it?

Or when I said that the controversy around Michael Flynn was a legitimate issue?

Or when I correctly stated that the firing of Comey was about the investigation? Or that it warranted a special prosecutor?

Or that time when I said that there was plenty of evidence that the Trump campaign was open to colluding with the Russians?



Sorry, is there something you and your cronies have been right about lately? Because the things you've repeatedly tried to say I was wrong about have generally turned out to be right.

Learn to differentiate between what you don't like to hear and what isn't true.

[Androidpk]

You mean like that time I correctly called the outcome (including the FBI's legal reasoning behind it) of the Clinton investigation?

Or that time last year when I correctly pointed out that Trump's ties to Russia were a huge story, and you and the others jeered and laughed yourselves silly about it?

Or that time I correctly predicted that Trump and his campaign actually did know about the Russian meddling and were deceiving the American people about it?

Or when I said- by the way- Russia DID actually meddle in our elections?

Or when I said- hey some of the stuff on the dossier is actually turning out to be true?

Or when I said that Paul Manafort's ties to Russia were a huge problem, and that he was going to be in trouble for it?

Or when I said that the controversy around Michael Flynn was a legitimate issue?

Or when I correctly stated that the firing of Comey was about the investigation? Or that it warranted a special prosecutor?

Or that time when I said that there was plenty of evidence that the Trump campaign was open to colluding with the Russians?



Sorry, is there something you and your cronies have been right about lately? Because the things you've repeatedly tried to say I was wrong about have generally turned out to be right.

Learn to differentiate between what you don't like to hear and what isn't true.


I love hearing about how Trump is fucking up, doesn't make you any more correct though in your identity politics BS.

[time4fun]

Trump today just said (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/world/europe/france-trump-visit-macron-bastille-day.html) said ‘Most People’ Would Have Done Same [As Trump Junior].

His lawyers must be screaming right now. He basically just put out a massive beacon to every investigator looking into the Russia collusion issue by saying "Yeah, I would totally collude with Russia".

WHY would you say something like this? Even leaving aside how grossly inappropriate it is for a sitting President to advocate working with a hostile power seeking to influence our elections with covert intelligence operations...it's strategically about the worst thing someone who is actively under investigation related to these issues could say.

[time4fun]

I love hearing about how Trump is fucking up, doesn't make you any more correct though in your identity politics BS.

Okay, so then you acknowledge that I've been correct in my political analysis and have actually been making accurate points.

And in response to my question, "Hey- what have you all been right about lately?"- you've got nothing.

Seems about right.

[Neveragain]

"Sorry, is there something you and your cronies have been right about lately?"

Sure was right that Hillary would not be president.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERygtg_el68

[Astray]

I'd dig through some posts to point out how and where you're wrong but bro, that's way too much shit to dredge through. Not worth it for the inevitable denial.

[Androidpk]

And in response to my question, "Hey- what have you all been right about lately?"- you've got nothing.

Is this supposed to be a dick measuring contest? :jerkit:

Anywho.. speaking of Clinton emails, I missed this bit of news but it seems like the Judiciary Committee has opened a bipartisan probe into former AG Loretta Lynch for possible obstruction of justice.

[Neveragain]

Is this supposed to be a dick measuring contest? :jerkit:

Anywho.. speaking of Clinton emails, I missed this bit of news but it seems like the Judiciary Committee has opened a bipartisan probe into former AG Loretta Lynch for possible obstruction of justice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

[cwolff]

Is this supposed to be a dick measuring contest? :jerkit:

Anywho.. speaking of Clinton emails, I missed this bit of news but it seems like the Judiciary Committee has opened a bipartisan probe into former AG Loretta Lynch for possible obstruction of justice.

It's about to get all scorched Earth up in here.

In other News; They are blaming Obama for letting the lawyer into the country. Thanks Obama!

[Tgo01]

The email chain was forwarded to Kushner and Manafort.

Has Tgo figured out yet that the email explicitly states in numerous ways that the information was coming from the highest levels of the Russian government yet?

What's funny is that earlier just for the sake of argument I posited that the chick personally emailed Jr and said she was a Russian lawyer and she had some dirt on Hillary and Jr agreed to meet with her, and I asked what crime is there here.

And yet STILL none of you can cite the law broken and provide the relevant text of said law.

Instead you all are still focusing on "Did Jr know she was a government agent?", "Did Manafort know?", "Collusion collusion collusion!"

It's quite telling that no one can just point me to the law that was broken even if I just go ahead and agree to the details that you people are still squabbling over.

Trump fucking derangement syndrome and its finest.

[Tgo01]

PS Tgo- RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LAWYER.

Yes, THAT'S WHAT THE BRITISH PUBLICIST REFERRED TO HER AS.

Russian government lawyer? Like a prosecutor?

It's cute how you hear "Russian government lawyer" and you instantly think "OMG! RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT CONNECTION! SHE WORKS DIRECTLY FOR THE KGB!"

[Tgo01]

By Election Day, an automated Kremlin cyberattack of unprecedented scale and sophistication had delivered critical and phony news about the Democratic presidential nominee to the Twitter and Facebook accounts of millions of voters. Some investigators suspect the Russians targeted voters in swing states, even in key precincts.

Seriously? You dipshits are focusing on fake news? Like there was no "fake news" of Trump floating around. Jesus Christ you people are desperate.

[cwolff]

Yes, THAT'S WHAT THE BRITISH PUBLICIST REFERRED TO HER AS.

Russian government lawyer? Like a prosecutor?

It's cute how you hear "Russian government lawyer" and you instantly think "OMG! RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT CONNECTION! SHE WORKS DIRECTLY FOR THE KGB!"


The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

I think this is where the crazy idea comes from that Don Jr went to meet with an agent of the Russian government.

TG01, You have asked a lot about what laws were actually broken. The honest answer is we PC lawyers don't know. To quote chapter and verse of some legal code or cite precedent is beyond me. I have seen pundits say it's not a big deal, certainly a mistake but not malicious; and others say that it's definitely a violation of Campaign Finance while hinting at bigger issues for political points. The bottom line is that while we don't know where this will end, we do know that it stinks to high heaven and there is there there.

[cwolff]

Newest defense of Don Jr. Obama did it.

Thanks Obama (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/341788-exclusive-doj-let-russian-lawyer-into-us-before-she-met-with-trump).


The Russian lawyer who penetrated Donald Trump’s inner circle was initially cleared into the United States by the Justice Department under “extraordinary circumstances” before she embarked on a lobbying campaign last year that ensnared the president’s eldest son, members of Congress, journalists and State Department officials, according to court and Justice Department documents and interviews.

This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.

[Tgo01]

The honest answer is we PC lawyers don't know.

LOL!

But you'll scream like petulant children because you know a law must have been broken, right?

But it's TRUMP and RUSSIA in the same story! Clearly a crime has been committed! Even with all of the blackmail news I watch I still can't point to an actual law that was broken, but, come on, surely one was broken?

I think that about sums up this entire thread.

Thanks for playing.

[cwolff]

LOL!

But you'll scream like petulant children because you know a law must have been broken, right?

But it's TRUMP and RUSSIA in the same story! Clearly a crime has been committed! Even with all of the blackmail news I watch I still can't point to an actual law that was broken, but, come on, surely one was broken?

I think that about sums up this entire thread.

Thanks for playing.

Definitely some truth to what you say. Shit's pretty fucked up though? You gotta admit that.

Me personally...I'm having wet dreams that this brings down all of Trumpdom. Will it? Meh....I doubt it.

[Tgo01]

Definitely some truth to what you say. Shit's pretty fucked up though? You gotta admit that.

This is literally nothing out of the ordinary for any presidential campaign. It's only a big deal now because you all have red fever and the media is all too happy to give you exactly what you want.

[cwolff]

This is literally nothing out of the ordinary for any presidential campaign. It's only a big deal now because you all have red fever and the media is all too happy to give you exactly what you want.

It sure looks like a big deal. And keep in mind, this ain't just dem outrage. Republicans are outraged too.

It is most definite out of the ordinary to meet with agents from a foreign government. Maybe everyone does it and the other campaigns are just smart enough not to email explicitly about it but this shit is scandalous.

The reason this is so big is that this Russia bullshit has been going on for a year. All along Trumps deny but they're getting outed left and right. Then they apologize, amend their disclosures and go back to denying until the next one of them gets outed and it starts all over again. Maybe it's a mastermind strategy to distract the media but I doubt it.

[Tgo01]

It sure looks like a big deal. And keep in mind, this ain't just dem outrage. Republicans are outraged too.

It is most definite out of the ordinary to meet with agents from a foreign government. Maybe everyone does it and the other campaigns are just smart enough not to email explicitly about it but this shit is scandalous.

The reason this is so big is that this Russia bullshit has been going on for a year. All along Trumps deny but they're getting outed left and right. Then they apologize, amend their disclosures and go back to denying until the next one of them gets outed and it starts all over again. Maybe it's a mastermind strategy to distract the media but I doubt it.

You are now equating "Russian connections" to "Oh yeah, that one time we met with a Russian lawyer who wanted to talk about adoptions."

That's a "connection" to you?

This is pathetic.

I guess from now on I better ask where people are from on the internet before I have a discussion with them, would hate for it to turn out one of them was from Russia and later get thrown in jail for collusion for having "Russian connections."

[Stolis]

You are now equating "Russian connections" to "Oh yeah, that one time we met with a Russian lawyer who wanted to talk about adoptions."

That's a "connection" to you?

This is pathetic.

I guess from now on I better ask where people are from on the internet before I have a discussion with them, would hate for it to turn out one of them was from Russia and later get thrown in jail for collusion for having "Russian connections."

I'm going to sell one of your characters something and speak to them only in Russian. Be prepared for accusations of collusion.

[Back]

The Russian lawyer who penetrated Donald Trump’s inner circle...

@Methais

We need a pic for this! Stat!

[Tgo01]

I'm going to sell one of your characters something and speak to them only in Russian. Be prepared for accusations of collusion.

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!

[cwolff]

You are now equating "Russian connections" to "Oh yeah, that one time we met with a Russian lawyer who wanted to talk about adoptions."

That's a "connection" to you?

This is pathetic.

I guess from now on I better ask where people are from on the internet before I have a discussion with them, would hate for it to turn out one of them was from Russia and later get thrown in jail for collusion for having "Russian connections."

Russian government lawyer carrying highly sensitive intelligence from the government of Russia as a token of support from the government of Russia to Donald Trumps campaign.

Until you can admit that this is what Don Jr. thought he was involved in, you can't really talk shit.

[time4fun]

Seriously? You dipshits are focusing on fake news? Like there was no "fake news" of Trump floating around. Jesus Christ you people are desperate.

If by "fake news", you mean confirmed by the US Intelligence community, the EU Intelligence community, the former FBI Director, the newly appointed FBI Director, House Republicans, House Democrats, Senate Republicans, Senate Democrats, several major US Universities, and every reputable news source in the US- then yes, it's fake news.

I'm sure you know much better than all of those sources. I mean, you follow such fascinating outlets like the Daily Caller, after all.

In other words- just because you don't want something to be true doesn't mean it wasn't true.

[Tgo01]

Russian government lawyer carrying highly sensitive intelligence from the government of Russia as a token of support from the government of Russia to Donald Trumps campaign.

Until you can admit that this is what Don Jr. thought he was involved in, you can't really talk shit.

And again, where is the crime?

If everything stayed exactly the same, except he were meeting with an "American government lawyer", would that be okay with you?

See, this is where your entire argument falls apart because this is just bullshit and you know it.

"American newspaper receiving highly classified American intelligence from a foreign national? Sounds good to me."

"Trump Jr THOUGHT he was meeting a Russian 'government lawyer' with 'highly sensitive intelligence' (aka dirt) on Hillary? OMG! THE WORST THING EVER! THIS IS LITERALLY TREASON! THE WHOLE TRUMP FAMILY, INCLUDING LITTLE BARRON, NEED TO BE LOCKED UP FOR LIFE."

Just realize how ridiculous you are being already.

[Tgo01]

If by "fake news", you mean confirmed by the US Intelligence community, the EU Intelligence community, the former FBI Director, the newly appointed FBI Director, House Republicans, House Democrats, Senate Republicans, Senate Democrats, several major US Universities, and every reputable news source in the US- then yes, it's fake news.

Wait, what? You are literally saying there was NO FAKE NEWS about Trump floating around during the campaign? Shit I saw posts on Facebook and Twitter and Reddit all the time saying the most outrageous things about Trump.

I guess this is where I make ten posts in a row now with nothing but HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[time4fun]

Yes, THAT'S WHAT THE BRITISH PUBLICIST REFERRED TO HER AS.

Russian government lawyer? Like a prosecutor?

It's cute how you hear "Russian government lawyer" and you instantly think "OMG! RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT CONNECTION! SHE WORKS DIRECTLY FOR THE KGB!"

For the love of- she was sent by the top Russian GOVERNMENT prosecutor to hand over sensitive information FROM THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, and was referred to as THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LAWYER.

She lobbies on behalf of the Russian government, and she's rushed out to serve as attorney for important Russian oligarchs.

There is *literally* no more obvious way for them to have referred to her as an agent of the Russian government than to have said she was a RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LAWYER WITH SENSITIVE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT INFORMATION GIVEN TO HER BY THE HIGHEST LEVEL GOVERNMENT LEGAL OFFICIAL IN RUSSIA UNDER THE GUISE OF LOBBYING ON BEHALF OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.

It wasn't even a euphemism. There were no lines to read between. You are, at this point, screaming at the sky "YOU'RE NOT BLUE, THEY JUST CALL YOU A BLUE SKY!".

[Tgo01]

If by "fake news", you mean confirmed by the US Intelligence community, the EU Intelligence community, the former FBI Director, the newly appointed FBI Director, House Republicans, House Democrats, Senate Republicans, Senate Democrats, several major US Universities, and every reputable news source in the US- then yes, it's fake news.

I'm sure you know much better than all of those sources. I mean, you follow such fascinating outlets like the Daily Caller, after all.

In other words- just because you don't want something to be true doesn't mean it wasn't true.

Honestly at this point all that is needed in response to any of your posts in this thread is to copy and paste the following, which I shall do now.


What's funny is that earlier just for the sake of argument I posited that the chick personally emailed Jr and said she was a Russian lawyer and she had some dirt on Hillary and Jr agreed to meet with her, and I asked what crime is there here.

And yet STILL none of you can cite the law broken and provide the relevant text of said law.

Instead you all are still focusing on "Did Jr know she was a government agent?", "Did Manafort know?", "Collusion collusion collusion!"

It's quite telling that no one can just point me to the law that was broken even if I just go ahead and agree to the details that you people are still squabbling over.

Trump fucking derangement syndrome and its finest.

[Tgo01]

For the love of- she was sent by the top Russian GOVERNMENT prosecutor to hand over sensitive information FROM THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT, and was referred to as THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LAWYER.

She lobbies on behalf of the Russian government, and she's rushed out to serve as attorney for important Russian oligarchs.

There is *literally* no more obvious way for them to have referred to her as an agent of the Russian government than to have said she was a RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LAWYER.

It wasn't even a euphemism. There were no lines to read between. You are, at this point, screaming at the sky "YOU'RE NOT BLUE, THEY JUST CALL YOU A BLUE SKY!".


What's funny is that earlier just for the sake of argument I posited that the chick personally emailed Jr and said she was a Russian lawyer and she had some dirt on Hillary and Jr agreed to meet with her, and I asked what crime is there here.

And yet STILL none of you can cite the law broken and provide the relevant text of said law.

Instead you all are still focusing on "Did Jr know she was a government agent?", "Did Manafort know?", "Collusion collusion collusion!"

It's quite telling that no one can just point me to the law that was broken even if I just go ahead and agree to the details that you people are still squabbling over.

Trump fucking derangement syndrome and its finest.

.

[Shaps]

Never forget when you're dealing with the likes of Time4fascism this is the type of people you're dealing with.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV0KJsP0KTE

Their really fun at parties.

I fucking can't stand over privileged asshats like this.. We should deport them all to the fucking Sudan and take their shoes.

Some people really don't get how easy they have it.

**edit.. they probably left right after and drove through Captain D's.

[Stolis]

I fucking can't stand over privileged asshats like this.. We should deport them all to the fucking Sudan and take their shoes.

Some people really don't get how easy they have it.

**edit.. they probably left right after and drove through Captain D's.

You're being way too kind, you know they went to some Vegan restaurant and spent 22 dollars on organic tofu with siracha soaked bean curds with a side salad that was organically grown in the garden in the back of the restaurant.

[cwolff]

I fucking can't stand over privileged asshats like this.. We should deport them all to the fucking Sudan and take their shoes.

Some people really don't get how easy they have it.

**edit.. they probably left right after and drove through Captain D's.

I wish carrots screamed when we pulled them out of ground. Then these fucks would really have limited dining options.

[Neveragain]

Russian government lawyer carrying highly sensitive Clinton e-mails from her hacked private servers, that she kept classified US government files on, as a token of support from the government of Russia to a private American citizen.

Until you can admit that this is what Don Jr. thought he was involved in, you can't really talk shit.

Fixed.

[Neveragain]

That's not even the full video, the fuckers threw his fish back in the water. The whole thing starts with the "parents" sending their little kid over to start pestering the people fishing.

[Tgo01]

Wait until someone lets those people know that millions of fish are killed and eaten everyday by other animals and other fish. Their heads would explode!

[cwolff]

Wait until someone lets those people know that millions of fish are killed and eaten everyday by other animals and other fish. Their heads would explode!

Lets crowd source for them. They can go to Africa and be human shields. Find some prey animals and block the lions. Stop the violence.

[Tisket]

Wait until someone lets those people know that millions of fish are killed and eaten everyday by other animals and other fish. Their heads would explode!

Or that most veggies are grown with fish fertilizer.

[Tisket]

Also, wasn't it McDonald's that got into trouble a few years ago for adding beef flavoring to it's french fry oil?

Outraged vegans are entertaining.

edit: apparently it is still an ongoing thing: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93386&page=1

[drauz]

So very rare.

Tell me- who here has a great track record of accurately assessing and predicting the Russia story?

You are AndroidPK but for Trump.

[Androidpk]

You are AndroidPK but for Trump.

Go eat a bowl of dicks!

[drauz]

I wish carrots screamed when we pulled them out of ground. Then these fucks would really have limited dining options.

That is what the smell of cut grass is.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/30573/what-causes-fresh-cut-grass-smell

[drauz]

Go eat a bowl of dicks!

Do you eat that with milk or without?

[drauz]

Lets crowd source for them. They can go to Africa and be human shields. Find some prey animals and block the lions. Stop the violence.

http://i.imgur.com/VjGL45X.gif

[SHAFT]

Everybody has their dreams.

Can you explain how any FECA laws were broken considering that FECA is a law about campaign finance?

Live the dream bro, live it.

It doesn't have to be monetary to have value. Soliciting anything of value from a foreign entity violates FECA.

“Federal law has long prohibited any contribution from a foreign national,” said Paul S. Ryan, Vice President of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “This means anything of value, not just money or cash.”

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg.html)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/4F71284A-5A9D-4C65-93F8-950AB922DA84.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/4F71284A-5A9D-4C65-93F8-950AB922DA84.jpg.html)

[cwolff]

That is what the smell of cut grass is.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/30573/what-causes-fresh-cut-grass-smell

Damn it. Now every time I smell fresh cut grass I'll feel like I'm downwind from lawn care Auschwitz

[drauz]

It doesn't have to be monetary to have value. Soliciting anything of value from a foreign entity violates FECA.

“Federal law has long prohibited any contribution from a foreign national,” said Paul S. Ryan, Vice President of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “This means anything of value, not just money or cash.”

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg.html)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/4F71284A-5A9D-4C65-93F8-950AB922DA84.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/4F71284A-5A9D-4C65-93F8-950AB922DA84.jpg.html)

Ted Lieu is a serial killer. He kills people to take their seats, just look at the first paragraph of his bio.


Ted W. Lieu /ˈluː/ (born March 29, 1969) is a Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives, representing California's 33rd congressional district since 2015. He was a California State Senator, who represented the 28th Senate District from February 2011 to November 2014, after being elected to fill the seat of deceased Senator Jenny Oropeza. Lieu was also a California State Assemblyman, who represented the 53rd Assembly District from September 2005 to November 2010, after being elected to fill the seat of deceased Assemblyman Mike Gordon.

[Tgo01]

It doesn't have to be monetary to have value. Soliciting anything of value from a foreign entity violates FECA.

“Federal law has long prohibited any contribution from a foreign national,” said Paul S. Ryan, Vice President of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “This means anything of value, not just money or cash.”

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg.html)

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/4F71284A-5A9D-4C65-93F8-950AB922DA84.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/4F71284A-5A9D-4C65-93F8-950AB922DA84.jpg.html)

So words are now "things of value"? Give me a break.

Assuming suddenly words are "things of value" wouldn't they have to prove, oh I don't know, some "valuable" information was actually given? Or is it just the fact that Jr met with a RUSSIAN enough to make him guilty of a crime?

The PC is infected with Trump derangement syndrome.

[cwolff]

So words are now "things of value"? Give me a break.

Assuming suddenly words are "things of value" wouldn't they have to prove, oh I don't know, some "valuable" information was actually given? Or is it just the fact that Jr met with a RUSSIAN enough to make him guilty of a crime?

The PC is infected with Trump derangement syndrome.

Isn't opposition research valuable?

[Androidpk]

Do you eat that with milk or without?

Heavy cream.

[Androidpk]

The PC is infected with Trump derangement syndrome.


Gee I wonder why.. maybe its cause he's a fucking joke of a human being and everyone thinks he's a piece of shit?

[drauz]

Isn't opposition research valuable?

Almost every single thing in this world has value.

[SHAFT]

So words are now "things of value"? Give me a break.

Assuming suddenly words are "things of value" wouldn't they have to prove, oh I don't know, some "valuable" information was actually given? Or is it just the fact that Jr met with a RUSSIAN enough to make him guilty of a crime?

The PC is infected with Trump derangement syndrome.

Tgo, dont throw stones while living in your padded glass house.

Intending and conspiring to murder someone is illegal. Conspiring and planning a robbery is illegal.

I'm sure you've seen stories on foxnews, infowars, Drudge Report, or whatever you watch about people planning terrorist attacks. That's illegal.

It's funny you believe JR, Kushner, and Manafort didn't get anything from the attorney. You're buying the story they didn't receive anything of value from her. Yeah, because Donald trump JR is Mr Credibility.

I'd like to remind everyone Don JR himself released the emails of him colluding with the Russians to get damaging info on HRC.


https://youtu.be/aiEGEGcokUc

[Parkbandit]

Isn't opposition research valuable?

Not in this case, since she stated she didn't have any.. and he said he didn't get any...

I know, I know.. BUT RUSSIA!!!

[SHAFT]

Trump must be proud of his eldest son! This is Don JR's greatest achievement!

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/5C4F14AF-33B5-471C-B130-5B7935CD57F5.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/5C4F14AF-33B5-471C-B130-5B7935CD57F5.jpg.html)

[Neveragain]

It doesn't have to be monetary to have value. Soliciting anything of value from a foreign entity violates FECA.

“Federal law has long prohibited any contribution from a foreign national,” said Paul S. Ryan, Vice President of policy and litigation at Common Cause. “This means anything of value, not just money or cash.”

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/6A0CE5F9-3EF4-4924-9557-3B52AF57349D.jpg.html)

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A California Democrat and an Arizona Democrat.

You guys are going full retard on this, this woman has met with numerous acting members of our government all of whom I must assume have a running campaign fund. Are they all guilty of violating the FECA act for speaking to her or does this just apply to Jr.?

If this is what the Democrats are going to go on, we should probably just shut down Washington DC.......and I'm good with that.

[Tgo01]

Gee I wonder why.. maybe its cause he's a fucking joke of a human being and everyone thinks he's a piece of shit?

So because "everyone" thinks he's a piece of shit means we have to inflate every god damn thing he or his family does to such bullshit proportions?

Right.

[SHAFT]

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/3AC37885-CEA5-4A39-A020-68713832ECB1.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/3AC37885-CEA5-4A39-A020-68713832ECB1.jpg.html)

[drauz]

Intending and conspiring to murder someone is illegal. Conspiring and planning a robbery is illegal.

Robbery is always illegal, same with murder. Talking to a foreigner isn't usually illegal.

[Tgo01]

Isn't opposition research valuable?

They are fucking words.

Again by that logic then every single American newspaper who received classified information from Julian Assange are guilty of a crime, right?

Oh wait! It's different this time because RUSSIA!

[Tgo01]

Tgo, dont throw stones while living in your padded glass house.

Intending and conspiring to murder someone is illegal. Conspiring and planning a robbery is illegal.

I'm sure you've seen stories on foxnews, infowars, Drudge Report, or whatever you watch about people planning terrorist attacks. That's illegal.

"Hey Tgo01 I'm going to throw out these crimes that are indeed crimes and compare them to this situation to imply that this situation is also a crime without actually saying what said crime was!"

Oh, right, because he "received something of value" in a statute that is clearly referring to something of monetary value. By this utter failure of logic I guess if any Chinese citizen so much as said "hello" at any Clinton staffer or family member then they too are guilty of a crime.

[cwolff]

I really struggled to understand why seemingly normal good Americans are so quick to just dismiss this as nothing. The media didn't hide this and the media didn't incorrectly fill out almost every government form that these guys filled out where they left off contacts with Russians. The media didn't go on TV and call Robby Mook a lion liar disgusting and all kinds of other stuff for saying that the Russians wanted to help Trump. The media didn't deny all this shit over and over and over and over again.

Trump and his little family there have done this to themselves. If you want to blame somebody blame Trump

[cwolff]

They are fucking words.

Again by that logic then every single American newspaper who received classified information from Julian Assange are guilty of a crime, right?

Oh wait! It's different this time because RUSSIA!

Man you are really trying to spin this but it just doesn't hold water.

[Tgo01]

I really struggled to understand why seemingly normal good Americans are so quick to just dismiss this as nothing. The media didn't hide this and the media didn't incorrectly fill out almost every government form that these guys filled out where they left off contacts with Russians. The media didn't go on TV and call Robby Mook a lion liar disgusting and all kinds of other stuff for saying that the Russians wanted to help Trump. The media didn't deny all this shit over and over and over and over again.

Trump and his little family there have done this to themselves. If you want to blame somebody blame Trump

Just name the law they broke already. That's all I'm asking.

Oh right, you can't! Even though you watch blackmail news 24/7 and they still haven't spoon fed you the crime committed yet.

[Tgo01]

Man you are really trying to spin this but it just doesn't hold water.

"Gosh, that's a great point, Tgo01! I have no way to refute this so I'm just gonna throw out a one liner about how wrong you are cause I said so! RUSSIA!"

[drauz]

I really struggled to understand why seemingly normal good Americans are so quick to just dismiss this as nothing. The media didn't hide this and the media didn't incorrectly fill out almost every government form that these guys filled out where they left off contacts with Russians. The media didn't go on TV and call Robby Mook a lion liar disgusting and all kinds of other stuff for saying that the Russians wanted to help Trump. The media didn't deny all this shit over and over and over and over again.

Trump and his little family there have done this to themselves. If you want to blame somebody blame Trump

You can only cry wolf so many times before people just stop listening to you.

[SHAFT]

So because "everyone" thinks he's a piece of shit means we have to inflate every god damn thing he or his family does to such bullshit proportions?

Right.

This is what happens when you become President of the US. Everything is magnified. Add that to constant lying, smug behavior, lack of accountability, and constant mentioning of obama or HRC when something doesn't go your way.

I love it. Keeps me occupied during NFL offseason. Every few days something new pops up for mueller and the schiff investigations. Just keeps piling up.

Cant wait to see JR testify under oath! I'm sure he'll do well with the truth. Kushner, sessions, and JR have all been so truthful so far! JR changed his story about these emails 3 times this past week and Kushner has amended his SF86 3 times as well!

[time4fun]

You are AndroidPK but for Trump.

Right except:

1) My news sources are reputable
2) I know what fact checking is and actually do it
3) I know enough about the law to provide reasonably accurate legal analysis
4) I don't run around saying insane things like "The Clintons are running a pedophiia ring!"
5) My political assessments and predictions tend to be correct

But otherwise, yeah, super similar.

[cwolff]

You can only cry wolf so many times before people just stop listening to you.

Hopefully Mueller will put all this to bed one way or another.

[time4fun]

Robbery is always illegal, same with murder. Talking to a foreigner isn't usually illegal.

Lying on your security clearance forms, on the other hand, about your foreign contacts is very much illegal.

[Tgo01]

This is what happens when you become President of the US.

Please. The press and "comedians" were so afraid to bash Obama over ANYTHING that their ratings all took a huge nose dive. Notice how MSNBC and "comedy" shows are thriving now that they are bashing Trump 24/7? Hell even blackmail news was enjoying good ratings until they forgot "BASH TRUMP GOOD! BLACKMAIL PRIVATE CITIZEN BAD!"

[SHAFT]

"President Trump’s legal team was informed more than three weeks ago about the email chain showing that his son Donald Jr. met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer last June, two sources familiar with the handling of the matter told Yahoo News.

Trump told Reuters in an interview on Wednesday that he learned just “a couple of days ago” that his son, Donald Trump Jr, had met with the Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, after receiving emails that she would supply him with information that “would incriminate Hillary” and was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” That was the day after Donald Jr. released the email exchanges himself, after learning they would be published by the New York Times."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sources-trump-lawyers-knew-russia-emails-back-june-000320831.html

[cwolff]

Please. The press and "comedians" were so afraid to bash Obama over ANYTHING that their ratings all took a huge nose dive. Notice how MSNBC and "comedy" shows are thriving now that they are bashing Trump 24/7? Hell even blackmail news was enjoying good ratings until they forgot "BASH TRUMP GOOD! BLACKMAIL PRIVATE CITIZEN BAD!"

Didn't Fox do great with Obama and now shitty with Trump?

[SHAFT]

Robbery is always illegal, same with murder. Talking to a foreigner isn't usually illegal.

When you receive an email that says a Russian attorney involved with the Russian government has incriminating info on HRC and you respond back "I love it", then you meet with that person to receive said info and you even admit it? That's illegal when you're a part of a political campaign.

It's not treasonous, as many people are saying, but it is illegal.

[Tgo01]

Didn't Fox do great with Obama and now shitty with Trump?

Their ratings have been about the same under both.


When you receive an email that says a Russian attorney involved with the Russian government has incriminating info on HRC and you respond back "I love it", then you meet with that person to receive said info and you even admit it? That's illegal when you're a part of a political campaign.

It's not treasonous, as many people are saying, but it is illegal.

Oh great! Finally someone who can cite for us which particular law was broken!

[cwolff]

When you receive an email that says a Russian attorney involved with the Russian government has incriminating info on HRC and you respond back "I love it", then you meet with that person to receive said info and you even admit it? That's illegal when you're a part of a political campaign.

It's not treasonous, as many people are saying, but it is illegal.

Dude, they won't even admit that the email says that. Shes just a Russian chick who doesn't work for the Kremlin because she was asked "do you work for Russia" and she said no.

[SHAFT]

Lying on your security clearance forms, on the other hand, about your foreign contacts is very much illegal.

Very illegal. The difference between Kushner and everyone else in America is he's trumps son in law and no one is holding him accountable. At least not until his meeting with the senate intelligence committee.

[Tgo01]

Dude, they won't even admit that the email says that. Shes just a Russian chick who doesn't work for the Kremlin because she was asked "do you work for Russia" and she said no.

Dude, even when I said sure, I'll give you all of that, where's the crime? You still can't answer.

Just stop. You have nothing at this point, you have admitted as much.

[SHAFT]

Dude, they won't even admit that the email says that. Shes just a Russian chick who doesn't work for the Kremlin because she was asked "do you work for Russia" and she said no.

I understand. Of course she denies it. JR read the email explaining she was from the Russian government and that the Russia government was supporting Trump SR. Don JR went into the meeting thinking this lawyer was with the Russian government, which was supporting his father in the election. Doesn't matter if the lawyer denies it or putin denies it.

That is intent and intent is usually the difficult thing to prove. But not in this case, considering JR admitted to everything.

[time4fun]

So words are now "things of value"? Give me a break.

Assuming suddenly words are "things of value" wouldn't they have to prove, oh I don't know, some "valuable" information was actually given? Or is it just the fact that Jr met with a RUSSIAN enough to make him guilty of a crime?

The PC is infected with Trump derangement syndrome.

You do understand that the legal facts of a matter are not determined by your own incredibly limited understanding of the law, right?

The work that went into acquiring the information is a thing of value. And, yes, the information is also of value. (Oppo research is something that you pay for) The statute was intentionally written in a manner that allows it to be applied to a variety of situations that aren't strictly, directly monetary in nature. The FEC offered guidance on the provision- stating that it should be interpreted broadly. Given that the statute had no disclaimers or constraints placed around the "thing of value", you can read it as functionally saying anything of value. It was written to close loopholes allowing support of foreign nationals, and if the Courts have to choose between a broader and a more limited interpretation, they're going to go broad per the FEC's request to ensure interpretation matches the intent of the law.

I should note that the same provision also makes it clear that solicitation for any aid from a foreign entity is illegal. Solicitation- in the confines of the provision- is defined as:


...an oral or written communication that, construed as reasonably understood in the context in which it is made, contains a clear message asking, requesting, or recommending that another person make a contribution, donation, transfer of funds, or otherwise provide anything of value.

Remember when Trump got up in front of the world and asked Russia to provide him with a bunch of hacked Clinton e-mails?

Yeah.

[Tgo01]

I understand. Of course she denies it. JR read the email explaining she was from the Russian government and that the Russia government was supporting Trump SR. Don JR went into the meeting thinking this lawyer was with the Russian government, which was supporting his father in the election. Doesn't matter if the lawyer denies it or putin denies it.

That is intent and intent is usually the difficult thing to prove. But not in this case, considering JR admitted to everything.

Intent of...what, exactly? Name of crime please.

[SHAFT]

Dude, even when I said sure, I'll give you all of that, where's the crime? You still can't answer.

Just stop. You have nothing at this point, you have admitted as much.

Ive explained it. Just like soliciting a prostitute is illegal, even if you don't fuck her. Just like hiring a hitman to kill your wife, even if the hitman doesn't kill her.

Trying to acquire something of value, damaging info in this case, from a foreign entity during a campaign is illegal. It's the FECA act.

Before you say "Well Trump JR didn't get anything"! There's no proof of that and Don JR's word is hardly credible. Minutes after Trump JR had this meeting, Trump SR put out a tweet talking about 33,000 HRC emails.

[Tgo01]

Remember when Trump got up in front of the world and asked Russia to provide him with a bunch of hacked Clinton e-mails?

Hey yeah, good point. I remember the resulting trial so well...oh wait...no...yeah...nothing happened...

Can you cite the crime Jr is guilty of, time4fun?

This is pathetic. All of these so called "experts" who just know Jr and Sr are going down for this crime...can't name the crime.

[time4fun]

Dude, even when I said sure, I'll give you all of that, where's the crime? You still can't answer.

Just stop. You have nothing at this point, you have admitted as much.

That's highly disingenuous. Several of us have posted explicit provisions that may have been violated. You ignoring them doesn't change the fact that they're there.

And don't pretend like you acknowledging that the letter says what it literally states is some sort of concession. It was just you learning to read all of the sentences in a paragraph.

[time4fun]

Hey yeah, good point. I remember the resulting trial so well...oh wait...no...yeah...nothing happened...

Can you cite the crime Jr is guilty of, time4fun?

This is pathetic. All of these so called "experts" who just know Jr and Sr are going down for this crime...can't name the crime.

You're so right Tgo. After all, everyone knows that it isn't a crime until you're actually in a court room.

Criminal statutes actually just appear out of nowhere when a Court proceeding occurs (and vanish again when it's over). The way we know to take someone to Court is 100% based on psychic abilities, not based on a combination of their behavior and criminal statutes.

Please learn to logic.

[SHAFT]

Intent of...what, exactly? Name of crime please.

I've explained it. Read the letter from Leiu I posted. He's a former prosecutor who's accusing JR of a crime.

[SHAFT]

Didn't Fox do great with Obama and now shitty with Trump?

Maddow has been doing well, but I think fox is still overall #1. CNN is tough to watch these days. While I like tapper and Anderson, the fact they continue to have Lord, Mcenany, Miller, and Kingston on make them tough to watch. Whenever I see any of them 4 I turn it.

Maddow is killing it though.

[Tgo01]

That's highly disingenuous. Several of us have posted explicit provisions that may have been violated.

Oh my bad, I must have forgot. Care to repeat them here for us all to see?

[time4fun]

Maddow has been doing well, but I think fox is still overall #1. CNN is tough to watch these days. While I like tapper and Anderson, the fact they continue to have Lord, Mcenany, Miller, and Kingston on make them tough to watch. Whenever I see any of them 4 I turn it.

Maddow is killing it though.

Maddow is #1 in her slot, I believe.

She's one of the few people who manages to cogently tie together all of the pieces of the puzzle. Whether you agree with any given assessment she makes or not (I don't always), she adds clarity to something that is incredibly hard to wrap your head around.

[Tgo01]

You're so right Tgo. After all, everyone knows that it isn't a crime until you're actually in a court room.

So you're telling me candidate Trump literally admitted to breaking the law live on world wide television and NO criminal charges were brought forth?

>insert 10 posts of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH here

[cwolff]

Maddow has been doing well, but I think fox is still overall #1. CNN is tough to watch these days. While I like tapper and Anderson, the fact they continue to have Lord, Mcenany, Miller, and Kingston on make them tough to watch. Whenever I see any of them 4 I turn it.

Maddow is killing it though.

Ya, I'm dismayed that CNN leaves so much space for propagandists. They're way too sensitive to the MSMmedia bias mythology.

[Back]

Lately I can't stand any of them. Been watching Bloomberg and BBC.

[SHAFT]

Interesting read from Patti Davis, daughter of Ronald Reagan:

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[SHAFT]

So you're telling me candidate Trump literally admitted to breaking the law live on world wide television and NO criminal charges were brought forth?

>insert 10 posts of HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH here

Not yet. Guess we'll have to wait and see what mueller comes out with. Sadly that could take a while. He's supposed to meet with the senate intelligence committee soon though.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/E53444EF-689F-4981-A6C0-AE6E787BE12E.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/E53444EF-689F-4981-A6C0-AE6E787BE12E.jpg.html)

[cwolff]

Lately I can't stand any of them. Been watching Bloomberg and BBC.

BBC has to share a seat with OAN in the WH press room. LMAO. God that must piss them off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network

[Tgo01]

Not yet. Guess we'll have to wait and see what mueller comes out with.

What's taking Mueller so long? Trump apparently literally broke the law live on TV. Should be a pretty open and shut case.

[Neveragain]

Trump SR put out a tweet talking about 33,000 HRC emails.

I do give you credit for being forthright about the crux of what all of this is about.

I think Cwolf asked why voters are willing to overlook the possibilities of any illegal wrong doings. Trump voters, who I neither voted for or supported (Gee wouldn't it be nice if Rand Paul was President), understand that the Clinton e-mails are what this all revolves around. These folks will always have the argument in their mind that the entire system is corrupt to it's core, all they are hearing right now is a den of thieves calling a thief a thief and the public confidence numbers that surround all corners of government are abysmal less the military.

I'm extremely pleased with Rand Paul right now, he's done a fine job of managing himself and his focus through this Russian shit blizzard. I think he will be a serious contender in 2020 if he stays the path.

Rand vs. Bernie would be one hell of an election cycle.

[cwolff]

He does do a good job of sticking to what it is he is all about. He kind of stays separate and above The Fray a little bit. I would like to see the GOP turn more to the Kasichs of the party and away from trump Cruz crazies.

[SHAFT]

What's taking Mueller so long? Trump apparently literally broke the law live on TV. Should be a pretty open and shut case.

You know it took over 2 years to get Nixon? Patience.

Ongoing. Criminal. Investigation. #MuellerTime

[cwolff]

You know it took over 2 years to get Nixon? Patience.

Ongoing. Criminal. Investigation. #MuellerTime

I'm getting the impression that they're so scared they just want it to be over with. Then they can breathe again

[drauz]

Interesting read from Patti Davis, daughter of Ronald Reagan:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/BB7E3055-5658-46BC-B6A8-9012C0C5DDD8.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/BB7E3055-5658-46BC-B6A8-9012C0C5DDD8.jpg.html)

Who cares what she thinks?

[Neveragain]

Wait until someone lets those people know that millions of fish are killed and eaten everyday by other animals and other fish. Their heads would explode!

Hold my beer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfCmEXOMovg

[Androidpk]

I do give you credit for being forthright about the crux of what all of this is about.

I think Cwolf asked why voters are willing to overlook the possibilities of any illegal wrong doings. Trump voters, who I neither voted for or supported (Gee wouldn't it be nice if Rand Paul was President), understand that the Clinton e-mails are what this all revolves around. These folks will always have the argument in their mind that the entire system is corrupt to it's core, all they are hearing right now is a den of thieves calling a thief a thief and the public confidence numbers that surround all corners of government are abysmal less the military.

I'm extremely pleased with Rand Paul right now, he's done a fine job of managing himself and his focus through this Russian shit blizzard. I think he will be a serious contender in 2020 if he stays the path.

Rand vs. Bernie would be one hell of an election cycle.

​Ha, look at this fucking Rand Paul fanboy. Loser!

[SHAFT]

Remember when trump said he had just heard about Jr's emails and lawyer meeting a few days ago? Trump gave a different story today:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/IMG_0452.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/IMG_0452.jpg.html)

[Neveragain]

​Ha, look at this fucking Rand Paul fanboy. Loser!

I knew that wouldn't take long.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Androidpk again.

[Tgo01]

Remember when trump said he had just heard about Jr's emails and lawyer meeting a few days ago? Trump gave a different story today:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/IMG_0452.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/IMG_0452.jpg.html)

Well shit! You're right! Impeachment time!

[SHAFT]

Well shit! You're right! Impeachment time!

You don't feel it's important the president, his administration, and his campaign are credible?

[cwolff]

How did this story break anyway? Do we know? Was it a WH leak, or goldstone volunteering it or just old fashioned journalism?

[Tgo01]

You don't feel it's important the president, his administration, and his campaign are credible?

So Trump said he had "just heard about Jr's emails and lawyer meeting a few days ago" and now he's saying "maybe it was mentioned at some point" but he wasn't told it was about Hillary or dirt on her, and I'm supposed to be taken aback by this?

My God. I hope you never change your mind or remain open to a possibility you once said there was no possibility of, I would hate to see your thrown in the loony bin.

[SHAFT]

So Trump said he had "just heard about Jr's emails and lawyer meeting a few days ago" and now he's saying "maybe it was mentioned at some point" but he wasn't told it was about Hillary or dirt on her, and I'm supposed to be taken aback by this?

My God. I hope you never change your mind or remain open to a possibility you once said there was no possibility of, I would hate to see your thrown in the loony bin.

You're ok with people lying to you. Have some self respect, tgo. We should demand more of our President.

Good luck, tgo.

[cwolff]

So Trump said he had "just heard about Jr's emails and lawyer meeting a few days ago" and now he's saying "maybe it was mentioned at some point" but he wasn't told it was about Hillary or dirt on her, and I'm supposed to be taken aback by this?

My God. I hope you never change your mind or remain open to a possibility you once said there was no possibility of, I would hate to see your thrown in the loony bin.

It bothers Trey, but you probably know more about all this stuff than he does.


Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., said on Fox News Tuesday night that he is troubled by “the amnesia of people that are in the Trump orbit.”

[Tgo01]

You're ok with people lying to you. Have some self respect, tgo. We should demand more of our President.

Good luck, tgo.

Lying. Right.

You really need to pull your head out of your ass already if this is what gets you worked up.


It bothers Trey, but you probably know more about all this stuff than he does.

I love the Democrats suddenly giving a single shit what Republicans think. It's fucking great.

[Tgo01]

It bothers Trey, but you probably know more about all this stuff than he does.

I just wanted to test the power of my rep penis. It's pretty strong I must admit.

[cwolff]

I just wanted to test the power of my rep penis. It's pretty strong I must admit.

Gonna kick you out of the cwolffening!

[cwolff]

More from Krauthammer.


He added, “This was a bungled collusion. This was amateurish collusion. This was Keystone Kops collusion. But it doesn’t change the fact that it was attempted collusion and it undoes the White House story completely.”

...“I don’t think there’s a crime of collusion, but I think what you do have is six months of deception from the White House ― either advertent or inadvertent, perhaps,” the Fox News commentator added.

[RichardCranium]

Interesting read from Patti Davis, daughter of Ronald Reagan:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x176/shaft4783/BB7E3055-5658-46BC-B6A8-9012C0C5DDD8.jpg (http://s184.photobucket.com/user/shaft4783/media/BB7E3055-5658-46BC-B6A8-9012C0C5DDD8.jpg.html)

That reads as though Daddy left his little girl extremely prejudiced against an entire country.

"I've met two Russian people in my entire life, and one of them was a refrigerator repair man."

I've never met a Russian that I can recall, but I'm not ready to claim them all communist pieces of shit hellbent on destroying America.

[Neveragain]

Treason!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5wpa14ORW4

[cwolff]

The hits just keep on coming.


Former Soviet Counter Intelligence Officer at Meeting With Donald Trump Jr. and Russian Lawyer
by Ken Dilanian, Natasha Lebedeva and Hallie Jackson


WASHINGTON — The Russian lawyer who met with the Trump team after a promise of compromising material on Hillary Clinton was accompanied by a Russian-American lobbyist — a former Soviet counter intelligence officer who is suspected by some U.S. officials of having ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, NBC News has learned.

[time4fun]

The hits just keep on coming.

Yeah... Nothing suspicious here.

And the Right flees the "There's no evidence of collision!" line for "There's nothing wrong with colluding with a hostile foreign government!" with dizzying speed.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah... Nothing suspicious here.

There's really not, but keep on herpin and derpin.

[cwolff]

Here's some background on the mystery man.

https://www.rferl.org/a/rinat-akmetshin-russia-gun-for-hire-washington-lobbying-magnitsky-browder/27863265.html

NOTE: The mention of hacking below is from another case. Not the Russian hacking for Trump.


The man who masterminded the scheme was Akhmetshin, according to a suit filed in November in New York state court that also accused him of being a former Soviet military intelligence officer who "developed a special expertise in running negative public-relations campaigns."
In a related filing in federal district court in Washington, where lawyers sought to force him to turn over records and e-mails, Akhmetshin confirmed he was helping in an advisory capacity but denied the hacking allegations.

[cwolff]

Yeah... Nothing suspicious here.

And the Right flees the "There's no evidence of collision!" line for "There's nothing wrong with colluding with a hostile foreign government!" with dizzying speed.

The talking points today are:
1) Obama let the lawyer in
2) The 5th man is a U.S. Citizen so why would Donald Jr. report or even mention him

[time4fun]

The talking points today are:
1) Obama let the lawyer in
2) The 5th man is a U.S. Citizen so why would Donald Jr. report or even mention him

In fairness, we don't know for sure that Trump Jr knew this guy's background. Though at this point the Secret Service was in Trump Tower- so all guests had to be submitted in advance. And it stretches belief that no one would have run a background check on this person.

Regardless, a former Russian counter-intelligence agent and the Trump campaign's director of digital operations were both in that meeting (Ever wonder why Kushner needed to be there?), A few hours before Trump started talking nonstop about Clinton's hacked emails.

[cwolff]

Wow, Krauthammer is really putting the hammer down on the Trumps. I'm quite surprised.

It's from WaPo so I posted it in full since it's a subscription service.


By Charles Krauthammer Opinion writer July 13 at 7:51 PM

The Russia scandal has entered a new phase, and there’s no going back.
For six months, the White House claimed that this scandal was nothing more than innuendo about Trump campaign collusion with Russia in meddling in the 2016 election. Innuendo for which no concrete evidence had been produced.
Yes, there were several meetings with Russian officials, some only belatedly disclosed. But that is circumstantial evidence at best. Meetings tell you nothing unless you know what happened in them. We didn’t. Some of these were casual encounters in large groups, like the famous July 2016 Kislyak-Sessions exchange of pleasantries at the Republican National Convention. Big deal.

I was puzzled. Lots of coverup, but where was the crime? Not even a third-rate burglary. For six months, smoke without fire. Yes, President Trump himself was acting very defensively, as if he were hiding something. But no one ever produced the something.
My view was: Collusion? I just don’t see it. But I’m open to empirical evidence. Show me.

Donald Trump Jr.’s emails aren’t a smoking gun. They’re a blazing gun. Here’s why.

The Post’s Ruth Marcus explains why Donald Trump Jr. is in legal jeopardy. Hint: stupidity is not a legal defense. (Adriana Usero, Kate Woodsome/The Washington Post)
The evidence is now shown. This is not hearsay, not fake news, not unsourced leaks. This is an email chain released by Donald Trump Jr. himself. A British go-between writes that there’s a Russian government effort to help Trump Sr. win the election, and as part of that effort he proposes a meeting with a “Russian government attorney” possessing damaging information on Hillary Clinton. Moreover, the Kremlin is willing to share troves of incriminating documents from the Crown Prosecutor. (Error: Britain has a Crown Prosecutor. Russia has a Prosecutor General.)

Donald Jr. emails back. “I love it.” Fatal words.

Once you’ve said “I’m in,” it makes no difference that the meeting was a bust, that the intermediary brought no such goods. What matters is what Donald Jr. thought going into the meeting, as well as Jared Kushner and then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, who were forwarded the correspondence, invited to the meeting, and attended.
“It was literally just a wasted 20 minutes, which was a shame,” Donald Jr. told Sean Hannity. A shame? On the contrary, a stroke of luck. Had the lawyer real stuff to deliver, Donald Jr. and the others would be in far deeper legal trouble. It turned out to be incompetent collusion, amateur collusion, comically failed collusion. That does not erase the fact that three top Trump campaign officials were ready to play.

It may turn out that they did later collaborate more fruitfully. We don’t know. But even if nothing else is found, the evidence is damning.
It’s rather pathetic to hear Trump apologists protesting that it’s no big deal because we Americans are always intervening in other people’s elections, and they in ours. You don’t have to go back to the ’40s and ’50s when the CIA intervened in France and Italy to keep the communists from coming to power. What about the Obama administration’s blatant interference to try to defeat Benjamin Netanyahu in the latest Israeli election? One might even add the work of groups supported by the U.S. during Russian parliamentary elections — the very origin of Vladimir Putin’s deep animus toward Clinton, then secretary of state, whom he accuses of having orchestrated the opposition.

This defense is pathetic for two reasons. First, have the Trumpites not been telling us for six months that no collusion ever happened? And now they say: Sure it happened. So what? Everyone does it.

What’s left of your credibility when you make such a casual about-face?
Second, no, not everyone does it. It’s one thing to be open to opposition research dug up in Indiana. But not dirt from Russia, a hostile foreign power that has repeatedly invaded its neighbors (Georgia, Crimea, eastern Ukraine), that buzzes our planes and ships in international waters, that opposes our every move and objective around the globe. Just last week the Kremlin killed additional U.N. sanctions we were looking to impose on North Korea for its ICBM test.
There is no statute against helping a foreign hostile power meddle in an American election. What Donald Jr. — and Kushner and Manafort — did may not be criminal. But it is not merely stupid. It is also deeply wrong, a fundamental violation of any code of civic honor.

I leave it to the lawyers to adjudicate the legalities of unconsummated collusion. But you don’t need a lawyer to see that the Trump defense — collusion as a desperate Democratic fiction designed to explain away a lost election — is now officially dead.

[cwolff]

In fairness, we don't know for sure that Trump Jr knew this guy's background. Though at this point the Secret Service was in Trump Tower- so all guests had to be submitted in advance. And it stretches belief that no one would have run a background check on this person.

Regardless, a former Russian counter-intelligence agent and the Trump campaign's director of digital operations were both in that meeting (Ever wonder why Kushner needed to be there?), A few hours before Trump started talking nonstop about Clinton's hacked emails.

Yup. And you've highlighted some serious weaknesses in the Trump family decision making. They took a meeting and got ambushed right in Trump tower because they're took damn stupid to ask the right questions.

Also, the prescence of Manafort destroys the ignorance defense. He's been in the game for 30 years. The mystery man is a lobbyist. I'd guarantee that they know each other. K street Russian lobbying can't be that big a community.

[Neveragain]

K street Russian lobbying can't be that big a community

I would imagine it's a lot bigger than you would think. There was an American in every Russki that was released when the evil empire fell. It was a new frontier for the greatness of capitalism.

[cwolff]

I would imagine it's a lot bigger than you would think. There was an American in every Russki that was released when the evil empire fell. It was a new frontier for the greatness of capitalism.

Ya, could be. He could also have a somewhat private client base with little or no need to get out and beat the street. Don't you think they'd run in the same circles though? Rub elbows at cocktail hours or compete on bids with clients?

[time4fun]

Yup. And you've highlighted some serious weaknesses in the Trump family decision making. They took a meeting and got ambushed right in Trump tower because they're took damn stupid to ask the right questions.

Also, the prescence of Manafort destroys the ignorance defense. He's been in the game for 30 years. The mystery man is a lobbyist. I'd guarantee that they know each other. K street Russian lobbying can't be that big a community.

You're being VERY generous here.

No one "accidentally" finds the head of their campaign (who has Russian ties), their son, and their son-in-law (head of digital operations) in the same room as a "former" Russian counter-intelligence official and an official representative of the top public legal official in Russia.

Just like no one "accidentally" hires a bunch of current and former Russian foreign agents to top positions in their campaign before "accidentally" appointing several people with strong ties to Moscow to top positions in their administration.

And no one accidentally hires a dozen or so high ranking campaign and administration officials with a rare selective memory disorder that prevents any of them from remembering any of their dozens of meetings with Russian officials.

None of this is accidental.

[Androidpk]

Any of you remember those 20+ times Bill Clinton accidentally flew to Orgy Island on the Lolita Express to spend time with a known pedophile/sex slave trader?

[cwolff]

Any of you remember those 20+ times Bill Clinton accidentally flew to Orgy Island on the Lolita Express to spend time with a known pedophile/sex slave trader?

Ya Epstein right?

[time4fun]

Ya Epstein right?

Can anyone remember the last time PK made any political commentary that wasn't about the Clintons?

[Androidpk]

Can anyone remember the last time PK made any political commentary that wasn't about the Clintons?

Says the person endlessly crying about the Trumps.

Oh, and for the record the last time I made political commentary that wasn't about the Clintons was yesterday.

[Androidpk]

Ya Epstein right?

Bingo

[Parkbandit]

Wow, Krauthammer is really putting the hammer down on the Trumps. I'm quite surprised.


Wait, you are surprised a Never-Trumper is putting the hammer down on the Trumps?

[time4fun]

Any of you remember those 20+ times Bill Clinton accidentally flew to Orgy Island on the Lolita Express to spend time with a known pedophile/sex slave trader?

Hey- crazy face. There's absolutely no evidence (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/clinton-epstein-innuendo?utm_term=.syKlYKgdZV#.piRxEX5Aza) that Clinton ever did anything wrong. In fact, none of the women who testified against Epstein ever once mentioned Bill Clinton.

As usual, your claims are short on facts and heavy on disreputable right-wing news sources.

Oh, and, as usual, totally irrelevant to the conversation. Even if Bill Clinton did the horrible things you imply (and yet have no evidence of)- it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the Trump/Russia situation.

[Neveragain]

Ya, could be. He could also have a somewhat private client base with little or no need to get out and beat the street. Don't you think they'd run in the same circles though? Rub elbows at cocktail hours or compete on bids with clients?

Considering Trumps vast global business holdings I would think it's nearly impossible that he didn't have dealings with former Russian government officials. It's kind of hard to not be a form of government official when everything is owned by the government under communism. It's why the whole Russian story line is "meh" for me, either way.

Even Macron agreed, we may not like Russia but we still have to talk to these people. Preventing a global thermonuclear war is in everyone's best interest and this is what worries me most about these outlandish claims, someones going to get really pissed. None of this even happens if Hillary follows the rules instead of trying to hide shit on her commodore 64. Thank god this woman was prevented from occupying the oval office.

[time4fun]

Says the person endlessly crying about the Trumps.

Oh, and for the record the last time I made political commentary that wasn't about the Clintons was yesterday.

Yeah so Trump is our CURRENT President and is CURRENTLY the subject of what is turning into the biggest political scandal in US history. We're uncovering daily evidence (Real evidence) of his campaign's close ties to Russia, we just got irrefutable proof that they were open to collusion, and- right- Trump is actively under investigation for at least obstruction of justice after being the second person ever to fire an FBI Director (after the Director refused to drop an investigation into Trump's former National Security Director).

So yes, it makes sense to be discussing this.

It does not make sense for you to bring up the Clintons in every single one of your posts. Especially when most of what you bring up is just completely debunked nonsense.

[cwolff]

Isn't Trump being sued for raping one of Epstein's sex slave girls?

If there's fire to this smoke I say burn them all.

[time4fun]

Isn't Trump being sued for raping one of Epstein's sex slave girls?

If there's fire to this smoke I say burn them all.

The rape cases was dropped I believe.

He is, however, in court for sexual assault.

But these things are only bad when your last name is Clinton, and when right wing news outlets are covering it.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah so Trump is our CURRENT President and is CURRENTLY the subject of what is turning into the biggest political scandal in US history. We're uncovering daily evidence (Real evidence) of his campaign's close ties to Russia, we just got irrefutable proof that they were open to collusion, and- right- Trump is actively under investigation for at least obstruction of justice after being the second person ever to fire an FBI Director (after the Director refused to drop an investigation into Trump's former National Security Director).

So yes, it makes sense to be discussing this.

It does not make sense for you to bring up the Clintons in every single one of your posts. Especially when most of what you bring up is just completely debunked nonsense.

Lol you're so retarded

[Wrathbringer]

Hey- crazy face. There's absolutely no evidence (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/clinton-epstein-innuendo?utm_term=.syKlYKgdZV#.piRxEX5Aza) that Clinton ever did anything wrong. In fact, none of the women who testified against Epstein ever once mentioned Bill Clinton.

As usual, your claims are short on facts and heavy on disreputable right-wing news sources.

Oh, and, as usual, totally irrelevant to the conversation. Even if Bill Clinton did the horrible things you imply (and yet have no evidence of)- it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the Trump/Russia situation.

No evidence hahahahaha soooooooooo retarded

[Androidpk]

Hey- crazy face. There's absolutely no evidence (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/clinton-epstein-innuendo?utm_term=.syKlYKgdZV#.piRxEX5Aza) that Clinton ever did anything wrong. In fact, none of the women who testified against Epstein ever once mentioned Bill Clinton.

As usual, your claims are short on facts and heavy on disreputable right-wing news sources.

Oh, and, as usual, totally irrelevant to the conversation. Even if Bill Clinton did the horrible things you imply (and yet have no evidence of)- it has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the Trump/Russia situation.

Has no bearing? We're in this Trump fiasco exactly because of the fucking Clintons.

Where is your evidence that Trump did something illegal? All you have is ramblings from alt-left media groups.

[Neveragain]

If there's fire to this smoke I say burn them all.

That's the spirit. Now let's start doing everything in our power to prevent these slugs from controlling every aspect of our lives under the specter of government healthcare.

[cwolff]

That's the spirit. Now let's start doing everything in our power to prevent these slugs from controlling every aspect of our lives under the specter of government healthcare.

I'm signing off for a few hours sleep but I thought of this article you might like. It's not my style. I think it's from a libertarian group but she's talking about something you said about lessening the threat of nuclear war.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/if-this-tweet-bothers-you-its-because-you-re-a-piece-of-shit-de0f0cec0e1f

[Back]

Can anyone remember the last time PK made any political commentary that wasn't about the Clintons?

I can't remember PK contributing anything of value in any political thread to the point that I consider anything he posts as total trolling. Trolling being defined as "not giving a fuck about actual discussion and just posting anything contrary solely to start an argument".

[Wrathbringer]

I'm signing off for a few hours sleep but I thought of this article you might like. It's not my style. I think it's from a libertarian group but she's talking about something you said about lessening the threat of nuclear war.

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/if-this-tweet-bothers-you-its-because-you-re-a-piece-of-shit-de0f0cec0e1f

Bye mr. Red rep.

[Neveragain]

the biggest political scandal in US history


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8zcArNybak

[Androidpk]

I can't remember PK contributing anything of value in any political thread to the point that I consider anything he posts as total trolling. Trolling being defined as "not giving a fuck about actual discussion and just posting anything contrary solely to start an argument".

So the biggest moron on the PC thinks I'm a troll. Oh noes!

[Methais]

What have I said so far that was inaccurate?

http://wrestlingrumors.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Chris-Jericho-list.png

[Methais]

Yes, THAT'S WHAT THE BRITISH PUBLICIST REFERRED TO HER AS.

Russian government lawyer? Like a prosecutor?

It's cute how you hear "Russian government lawyer" and you instantly think "OMG! RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT CONNECTION! SHE WORKS DIRECTLY FOR THE KGB!"

This reminds me of a while back on LNet someone was talking about their job and...well it went like this:

A: Something something work work job
B: Where do you work?
A: I work in higher education
B: Cool, doing what?
A: I work in the cafeteria
B: So you don't actually work in higher education you're just the lunch lady at some Community College?
A: Yes

B:
https://media.giphy.com/media/HwmB7t7krGnao/giphy.gif

[Methais]

@Methais

We need a pic for this! Stat!

Sorry I'm late!

https://media.tenor.com/images/c4646fd50828d07119068eaf3b014910/tenor.gif

[Neveragain]

http://wrestlingrumors.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Chris-Jericho-list.png

LOL

[Parkbandit]

I can't remember PK contributing anything of value in any political thread to the point that I consider anything he posts as total trolling. Trolling being defined as "not giving a fuck about actual discussion and just posting anything contrary solely to start an argument".

https://i.giphy.com/media/Xj8orUvjQ2SLS/giphy.webp

[Ashliana]

I can't remember PK contributing anything of value in any political thread to the point that I consider anything he posts as total trolling. Trolling being defined as "not giving a fuck about actual discussion and just posting anything contrary solely to start an argument".Are you fucking kidding me?

Oh, you take such umbrage with that? Have you actually deluded yourself into thinking that:

1) the regular heehawing circlejerk of uncritical opinions with absolutely no regard to facts,
2) the dismissal of any news source that doesn't begin with "Breit," "Fox N" or "Drudg"
3) the everchanging goalposts as increasingly egregious developments occur regarding to the Trump sphere

actually constitute reasoned positions or good-faith interest in "discussion"? No.

Look at all the recent threads you and the regulars have posted in. It's almost all "HURRRRRRR, TIME4FUN IS SO RETARDED, HURR, BACK IS SO RETARDED, HURR, CWOLF IS SO RETARDED, HURRRRRR, LOOK HOW MUCH WE ALL AGREE WITH EACH OTHER."

You bask in gleeful ignorance, convinced that you're enlightened. What are you going to say when people start resigning or getting indicted?

[Wrathbringer]

Oh, you take such umbrage with that? Have you actually deluded yourself into thinking that:

1) the regular heehawing circlejerk of uncritical opinions with absolutely no regard to facts,
2) the dismissal of any news source that doesn't begin with "Breit," "Fox N" or "Drudg"
3) the everchanging goalposts as increasingly egregious developments occur regarding to the Trump sphere

actually constitute reasoned positions or good-faith interest in "discussion"? No.

Look at all the recent threads you and the regulars have posted in. It's almost all "HURRRRRRR, TIME4FUN IS SO RETARDED, HURR, BACK IS SO RETARDED, HURR, CWOLF IS SO RETARDED, HURRRRRR, LOOK HOW MUCH WE ALL AGREE WITH EACH OTHER."

You bask in gleeful ignorance, convinced that you're enlightened. What are you going to say when people start resigning or getting indicted?

fake news you lost get over it, whiner. Oh, and you're retarded.

[Androidpk]

I'm in the Trump sphere??? Loooooooooooooool

[Ashliana]

fake news you lost get over it, whiner. Oh, and you're retarded.

Case in point from the Politics folder's most notorious dunce. Thank you. :clap:

[Parkbandit]

It's almost all "HURRRRRRR, TIME4FUN IS SO RETARDED, HURR, BACK IS SO RETARDED, HURR, CWOLF IS SO RETARDED, HURRRRRR, LOOK HOW MUCH WE ALL AGREE WITH EACH OTHER."


You're so sad your legendary stupidity is all but forgotten.

Sorry, It.

[Wrathbringer]

I shit myself a lot. :clap:

I kind of figured you did. :clap:

[leifastagsweed]

This is everyone here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdtpLcIUUAAa67h.jpg

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAccAAAAJGMwMjlkZjViLTdhMmQtNGRkZC1hOT U4LWZiN2VhMzQ1MDQ0Nw.jpg

[Ashliana]

You're so sad your legendary stupidity is all but forgotten.

Sorry, It.

What's that? For the 20th consecutive time, couldn't muster up a substantive reply?

Yup. That's you to a T. While most of the progressives on the board don't simply care enough to put you in your willfully uninformed place most of the time, you (from the looks of it) look like you've actually convinced yourself of your own ravings.

How about answering the question this time? What are you going to say when people start being forced to resign or get indicted?

[Wrathbringer]

What's that? For the 20th consecutive time, couldn't muster up a substantive reply?

Yup. That's you to a T. While ost of the progressives on the board don't simply care enough to put you in your willfully uninformed place most of the time, you (from the looks of it) look like you've actually convinced yourself of your own ravings.

How about answering the question this time? What are you going to say when people start being forced to resign or get indicted?

I'll say "FOUR MORE YEARS!"

[Androidpk]

What are you going to say when people start being forced to resign or get indicted?

What will you say if POTUS is still POTUS at the end of his first 4 year term?

[Ashliana]

What will you say if POTUS is still POTUS at the end of his first 4 year term?

You might want to start reading the news. Especially this morning's news.

To answer your question, though -- that thing that PB et. al are allergic to doing, is: that it's sad that conservatives' allegiance to an individual named Donald Trump, or a party called the GOP, is apparently more important to them than their identity as Americans. That, and "vote the bum out."

[Neveragain]

Look at all the recent threads you and the regulars have posted in. It's almost all "HURRRRRRR, TIME4FUN IS SO RETARDED, HURR, BACK IS SO RETARDED, HURR, CWOLF IS SO RETARDED, HURRRRRR, LOOK HOW MUCH WE ALL AGREE WITH EACH OTHER.

Rep received: You're retarded. [ashliana]

You just can't make this shit up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0m82D5EJs

[Androidpk]

You might want to start reading the news. Especially this morning's news.

To answer your question, though -- that thing that PB et. al are allergic to doing, is: that it's sad that conservatives' allegiance to an individual named Donald Trump, or a party called the GOP, is apparently more important to them than their identity as Americans. That, and "vote the bum out."

What do Trumpers have to do with Mueller's investigation?

[Wrathbringer]

Rep received: You're retarded. [ashliana]

You just can't make this shit up.

:lol:

[Ashliana]

Whining that I insulted him

You deserve insults, which I gave you privately in reputation. However, I didn't shit up a thread with one, as you constantly do, did I -- especially in place of what should have been a substantive response. Oh. That's where your "argument" about ostensible hypocrisy falls apart.


What do Trumpers have to do with Mueller's investigation?

In the end, pending some kind of legally precarious indictment on Trump himself -- which most legal scholars don't think is possible while he's in office -- the only way to remove Trump from office by force is either impeachment -- which would require Republican congresspeople or the 25th amendment, which would also require Republicans.

[Parkbandit]

What's that? For the 20th consecutive time, couldn't muster up a substantive reply?

Yup. That's you to a T. While most of the progressives on the board don't simply care enough to put you in your willfully uninformed place most of the time, you (from the looks of it) look like you've actually convinced yourself of your own ravings.

So sad. So salty. So triggered.

What are you now.. like in 5th place?

Sorry.. but you have no one to blame but yourself. You have the special "gift", the problem is you just don't post enough to prove it.

Step up your game, It.


How about answering the question this time? What are you going to say when people start being forced to resign or get indicted?

Probably the same thing most normal people will do.. go to work, come home, sleep, enjoy life.... A President doesn't affect (effect?) my life very much. I'm just glad your girl got beaten by the Orange Crush.

What are you going to do when he doesn't? Cry more?

[Neveragain]

You're right Neveragain (like you always are) not only am I a giant hypocrite but I'm also a giant oozing vagina. I should have thought about this before going on a histrionic rant.

It's Ok Ash I'm a rather forgiving person, I'm sure you will get over it. Everything is going to be alright.

[Ashliana]

Probably the same thing most normal people will do.. go to work, come home, sleep, enjoy life.... A President doesn't affect (effect?) my life very much. I'm just glad your girl got beaten by the Orange Crush.

Ooh! You managed more than ellipses! It's a big day for you, Parkbandit!


It's Ok Ash I'm a rather forgiving person, I'm sure you will get over it. Everything is going to be alright.

That was cringe-inducing, even by your standards.

[Neveragain]

That was cringe-inducing, even by your standards.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt23FJ5zhg0

[Tgo01]

And the Right flees the "There's no evidence of collision!" line for "There's nothing wrong with colluding with a hostile foreign government!" with dizzying speed.

LOL

Because this isn't collusion to rig the election like you tards have been screaming for months.

Even if this supposed former counter intelligence officer was "at" the meeting, so fucking what? Where is the collusion?

You still don't know what the fuck "collusion" even means. Like I've been saying for about two dozen pages now; WHERE IS THE FUCKING CRIME.

[Neveragain]

Dennis Kucinich "A hall of mirrors. A bunch of nothing."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1crhwQPKr7w

[Tgo01]

This reminds me of a while back on LNet someone was talking about their job and...well it went like this:

A: Something something work work job
B: Where do you work?
A: I work in higher education
B: Cool, doing what?
A: I work in the cafeteria
B: So you don't actually work in higher education you're just the lunch lady at some Community College?
A: Yes

B:
https://media.giphy.com/media/HwmB7t7krGnao/giphy.gif

Maybe this is how time4fun explains all of her degrees and other stories.

time4fun: "I used to teach logic."

Cool, where?

time4fun: "To my niece, she didn't understand logic."

[Ashlander]

Maybe this is how time4fun explains all of her degrees and other stories.

time4fun: "I used to teach logic."

Cool, where?

time4fun: "To my niece, she didn't understand logic."

Oh and if her niece was a college student she can claim she taught it to college student(s)!

[time4fun]

Maybe this is how time4fun explains all of her degrees and other stories.

time4fun: "I used to teach logic."

Cool, where?

time4fun: "To my niece, she didn't understand logic."

LOL. Honey, given that two days ago you were unable to decipher the words of a letter written with a 6th grade vocabulary, maybe you should actually be asking me for a referral to a logic class.

[Neveragain]

LOL. Honey, given that two days ago you were unable to decipher the words of a letter written with a 6th grade vocabulary, maybe you should actually be asking me for a referral to a logic class.

Is that the same logic class that taught you that the popular vote matters in our elections?

[Parkbandit]

LOL. Honey, given that two days ago you were unable to decipher the words of a letter written with a 6th grade vocabulary, maybe you should actually be asking me for a referral to a logic class.

Wouldn't that be English.. not actually logic?

I know, I know.. you know more about logic than anyone....

[Tgo01]

LOL. Honey, given that two days ago you were unable to decipher the words of a letter written with a 6th grade vocabulary, maybe you should actually be asking me for a referral to a logic class.

Says the person who used to "teach logic" saying that Trump broke the law on national television yet wasn't charged with a crime.

[time4fun]

AP is reporting (https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45afb314aca65797762a/Russian-American-lobbyist-says-he-was-in-Trump-son's-meeting) that the Russian government lawyer in the meeting DID, in fact, leave paperwork for the Trump campaign during the meeting, calling into question Trump Jr's insistence that she came with no information:


In his first public interview about the meeting, Akhmetshin said he accompanied Veselnitskaya to Trump Tower where they met an interpreter. He said he had learned about the meeting only that day when Veselnitskaya asked him to attend. He said he showed up in jeans and a T-shirt.


Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democrats, Akhmetshin said. Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the campaign, he said.

“This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money,” Akhmetshin recalled her saying.

Trump Jr. asked the attorney if she had sufficient evidence to back up her claims, including whether she could demonstrate the flow of the money. But Veselnitskaya said the Trump campaign would need to research it more.

Donald Trump Jr's explanations of the meeting continue to turn out to be nothing but lies.

[cwolff]

AP is reporting (https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45afb314aca65797762a/Russian-American-lobbyist-says-he-was-in-Trump-son's-meeting) that the Russian government lawyer in the meeting DID, in fact, leave paperwork for the Trump campaign during the meeting, calling into question Trump Jr's insistence that she came with no information:



Donald Trump Jr's explanations of the meeting continue to turn out to be nothing but lies.

What the frack! These guys are amazing. It boggles the mind, but I guess they are allowed to take such liberty with basic facts and truth because its what their people want. And their people are in charge.

[cwolff]

Liberal msm Democrat red scare hysteria?


We’re still not clean on this, Chris [Wallace]. If there’s nothing there — and that’s what they tell us, they tell us there’s nothing to this and nothing came of it, there’s a nothingburger, it wasn’t even memorable, didn’t write it down, didn’t tell you about it, because it wasn’t anything so I didn’t even remember it — with a Russian interpreter in the room at Trump Tower? If all of that, why all these lies? Why is it lie after lie after lie? If you clean, come on clean, you know?

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWq-Gr34af4

[cwolff]

The deception, Chris, is mind-boggling. And there are still people who are out there who believe we’re making it up. And one day they’re gonna realize we’re not and look around and go, Where are we, and why are we getting told all these lies?

So even Shep Smith and Chris Wallace are calling it out. Can we now agree this isn't a "nothing burger?"

[Wrathbringer]

Liberal msm Democrat red scare hysteria?

red like your rep? lol

[cwolff]

red like your rep? lol

Hahahahah, exactly. Fucking bastards trying to turn me commie up in here

[time4fun]

What the frack! These guys are amazing. It boggles the mind, but I guess they are allowed to take such liberty with basic facts and truth because its what their people want. And their people are in charge.

Until Republican voters decide that being lied to repeatedly for a year about the Trump campaign's interactions with Russia is a problem, they'll just keep doing it.

[Wrathbringer]

Until Republican voters decide that being lied to repeatedly for a year about the Trump campaign's interactions with Russia is a problem, they'll just keep doing it.

I don't have any problem with it. You do because you lost. Get over it.

[Neveragain]

The deception, Chris, is mind-boggling. And there are still people who are out there who believe we’re making it up. And one day they’re gonna realize we’re not and look around and go, Where are we, and why are we getting told all these lies?

Keep digging.

:devilsmile:

[time4fun]

Wall Street Journal reporting (https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-lawyer-who-trump-jr-met-says-she-was-in-contact-with-top-russian-prosecutor-1500063809) tonight that the Russian government lawyer at the meeting was, in fact, in constant communication with the Russian Prosecutor General


The Russian lawyer whom Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort met last year with the hopes of receiving damaging information about Hillary Clinton says she talked with the office of Russia’s top prosecutor while waging a campaign against a U.S. sanctions law and the hedge-fund manager who backed it.

Lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya said she wasn’t working for Russian authorities, but she said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal that she was meeting with Russian authorities regularly, and shared information about the hedge-fund manager with the Russian prosecutor general’s office, including with Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika, a top official appointed by the Kremlin.

President Donald Trump and others have stressed that she wasn’t formally working for the Russian government at the time of the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower. Mr. Trump said on Thursday at a news conference in Paris that his son’s meeting was brief and uneventful. “He took a meeting with a Russian lawyer. Not a government lawyer, but a Russian lawyer,” Mr. Trump said.

Yeah, she wasn't working for the Russian government. She just happened to be lobbying on their behalf and was in constant contact with the Russian government, including with one of the highest level officials in the Russian government.

Gee. Nothing suspicious here!

[Tgo01]

Wall Street Journal reporting (https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-lawyer-who-trump-jr-met-says-she-was-in-contact-with-top-russian-prosecutor-1500063809) tonight that the Russian government lawyer at the meeting was, in fact, in constant communication with the Russian Prosecutor General



Yeah, she wasn't working for the Russian government. She just happened to be lobbying on their behalf and was in constant contact with the Russian government, including with one of the highest level officials in the Russian government.

Gee. Nothing suspicious here!

Oh shit! She spoke with the office of Russia's top prosecutor?! RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT COLLUSION CONFIRMED!

It is pretty crazy how someone campaigning for an end to a Russian law would be lobbying the Russian government!

God damn you fucking Democrats are so pathetic.

Let me know when you have some actual facts that point to collusion of some sort, time4fun. Until then take all of this bullshit that can be easily explained away and shove them right back up your ass.