Quick question (i hope) about AS

[Ceph]

So, i was out hunting today, and noticed my AS drop by 27 pretty randomly. Figured i'd sit down and try to math it out a bit - and since things are odd i thought i'd check here and see if i just cant math right.

going by the wiki, Melee AS is
STR Bonus
+ Weapon Skill Bonus
+ [Combat Maneuvers Ranks / 2]
+ Weapon Enchantment
+ Modifiers

Going by my current skills(pasted below) this should be 25(str) +202(polearm) + 75(cman) for a total of 302, now add my greater flaring polearm at +33, and i should be at 335, and I currently have Strength - which should be another 15 bringing the total to 350.

Just stepped outside to beat up some roltons, and this is what i saw.

You thrust with an ur-barath-runed pike at a rolton!
AS: +301 vs DS: +48 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +51 = +339
... and hit for 233 points of damage!
Incredible smash to what used to be a stomach!
The rolton collapses to the ground, emits a final bleat, and dies.

** Necrotic energy from your ur-barath-runed pike overflows into you! **

You feel energized!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>
A rolton trots in!
>
You thrust with an ur-barath-runed pike at a rolton!
AS: +311 vs DS: +48 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +12 = +310
... and hit for 170 points of damage!
Strike to wrist severs left hand!
The rolton bleats loudly as she slumps to the ground and cradles her wounded left hoof.
The rolton lets out a final agonized bleat and dies.
You feel the unnatural surge of necrotic power wane away.
Roundtime: 5 sec.



now if i add in Kais, i should be up to 375, right.



Your spellsong is ready.
You sing a melody.
Your spirits are lifted by the verses praising Kai.
Sing Roundtime 3 Seconds.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)
>
[ Kai's Triumph Song: +0:07:12, 0:07:12 remaining. ]
A rolton bleats as she slowly backs away.

>stance offensive
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
You feel at full magical power again.
>
You release 1 mana into the surrounding area.
>ready weapon
As you draw an ur-barath-runed pike with a faenor spearhead, the air up and down its single sharpened tip distorts.
(Change your default item by selecting ready list.)
>
You thrust with an ur-barath-runed pike at a rolton!
AS: +326 vs DS: +28 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +45 = +378
... and hit for 232 points of damage!
Strike punctures thigh and shatters femur!
The rolton bleats loudly as she collapses to the ground in obvious pain and favors her mangled right hind leg.
The rolton lets out a final agonized bleat and dies.
Roundtime: 5 sec.


and Sigil of Offense should be another +20 bringing me to 395.

sigil off
A faint blue glow surrounds your hands, subtly guiding your movements.
>
[ Sigil of Offense: +0:05:00, 0:05:00 remaining. ]
A rolton trots southeast.
>
You thrust with an ur-barath-runed pike at a rolton!
AS: +346 vs DS: +58 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +74 = +397
... and hit for 250 points of damage!
Bladder impaled, what a mess!
The rolton collapses to the ground, emits a final bleat, and dies.
Roundtime: 5 sec.


since both Kai and Sigil seem to be giving me the right totals, where am i going wrong. until earlier today i was swinging happily away at 378 or so with everything up. So i'm just trying to figure out where things are missing. any Ideas?



(at level 49), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Two Weapon Combat..................| 0 0
Armor Use..........................| 161 61
Shield Use.........................| 0 0
Combat Maneuvers...................| 151 51
Edged Weapons......................| 0 0
Blunt Weapons......................| 0 0
Two-Handed Weapons.................| 0 0
Ranged Weapons.....................| 0 0
Thrown Weapons.....................| 0 0
Polearm Weapons....................| 202 102
Brawling...........................| 0 0
Ambush.............................| 0 0
Multi Opponent Combat..............| 50 10
Physical Fitness...................| 151 51
Dodging............................| 151 51
Arcane Symbols.....................| 0 0
Magic Item Use.....................| 0 0
Spell Aiming.......................| 0 0
Harness Power......................| 149 49
Elemental Mana Control.............| 5 1
Mental Mana Control................| 0 0
Spirit Mana Control................| 0 0
Elemental Lore - Air...............| 150 50
Elemental Lore - Earth.............| 0 0
Elemental Lore - Fire..............| 0 0
Elemental Lore - Water.............| 0 0
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 0 0
Spiritual Lore - Religion..........| 0 0
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 0 0
Sorcerous Lore - Demonology........| 0 0
Sorcerous Lore - Necromancy........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Divination...........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 5 1
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 105 25
Mental Lore - Transference.........| 0 0
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 0 0
Survival...........................| 0 0
Disarming Traps....................| 0 0
Picking Locks......................| 0 0
Stalking and Hiding................| 0 0
Perception.........................| 45 9
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 0 0
Trading............................| 0 0
Pickpocketing......................| 0 0

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 30

Spell Lists
Bard...............................| 21

Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)
Constitution (CON): 78 (14) ... 82 (16)
Dexterity (DEX): 93 (31) ... 93 (31)
Agility (AGI): 96 (28) ... 96 (28)
Discipline (DIS): 42 (-9) ... 42 (-9)
Aura (AUR): 100 (30) ... 100 (30)
Logic (LOG): 83 (16) ... 83 (16)
Intuition (INT): 79 (14) ... 79 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 54 (2) ... 54 (2)
Influence (INF): 100 (25) ... 100 (25)

edit: added Stats

[Palcron]

There are certain areas that impose AS penalties, but it could also be encumbrance, low spirit, stance or something else like that that ended up bringing it down. Sometimes spells will drop without you noticing, too.

[Tgo01]

CMan bonus is your ranks/2, not skill/2. So with 51 ranks you're look at +25AS from CMan, since I'm pretty sure it truncates.

[Tgo01]

CMan bonus is your ranks/2, not skill/2. So with 51 ranks you're look at +25AS from CMan, since I'm pretty sure it truncates.

Although if it did round up that would be exactly 301 AS with 509 and your weapon bonus factored in, which is what your first combat log shows. So what the hell do I know?

[Ceph]

Although if it did round up that would be exactly 301 AS with 509 and your weapon bonus factored in, which is what your first combat log shows. So what the hell do I know?

so in short, i cant math right. :grin:


I dunno, things just felt weird for a bit. added in one more CM rank for the giggles, and ended up back where i was to begin the day.

This is with Str and Kais, no sigils currently. so i have no idea where this 50 AS came from, but i'll be glad to keep it.

ou thrust with an ur-barath-runed pike at a hill troll!
AS: +353 vs DS: +38 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +85 = +435
... and hit for 219 points of damage!
Awesome shot shatters ribs and punctures lung!
[You have earned 1 prestige point.]
The hill troll screams one last time and dies.
The deep blue glow leaves a hill troll.

** Necrotic energy from your ur-barath-runed pike overflows into you! **

You feel energized!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

[Tenser]

425 adds 25AS.

[Riltus]

so in short, i cant math right. :grin:


I dunno, things just felt weird for a bit. added in one more CM rank for the giggles, and ended up back where i was to begin the day.

This is with Str and Kais, no sigils currently. so i have no idea where this 50 AS came from, but i'll be glad to keep it.

ou thrust with an ur-barath-runed pike at a hill troll!
AS: +353 vs DS: +38 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +85 = +435
... and hit for 219 points of damage!
Awesome shot shatters ribs and punctures lung!
[You have earned 1 prestige point.]
The hill troll screams one last time and dies.
The deep blue glow leaves a hill troll.

** Necrotic energy from your ur-barath-runed pike overflows into you! **

You feel energized!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

202: Weapon Skill Bonus
025: STR Stat Bonus
033: Weapon Enchant Bonus
026: Combat Maneuver Bonus [.ceil(51/2)]
015: Strength (509)
025: Kai's Triumph Song (1007)
027: Elemental Targeting (425) [25 base + trunc((30-25)/2)]
---------------------------
353 Total AS

With Sigil of Offense (+20) total AS = +373

Mark

[Tgo01]

so in short, i cant math right. :grin:


I dunno, things just felt weird for a bit. added in one more CM rank for the giggles, and ended up back where i was to begin the day.

This is with Str and Kais, no sigils currently. so i have no idea where this 50 AS came from, but i'll be glad to keep it.

ou thrust with an ur-barath-runed pike at a hill troll!
AS: +353 vs DS: +38 with AvD: +35 + d100 roll: +85 = +435
... and hit for 219 points of damage!
Awesome shot shatters ribs and punctures lung!
[You have earned 1 prestige point.]
The hill troll screams one last time and dies.
The deep blue glow leaves a hill troll.

** Necrotic energy from your ur-barath-runed pike overflows into you! **

You feel energized!
Roundtime: 5 sec.

Kai's is a base of 10 with a maximum of 20AS at 17 bard ranks. Also Telepathy lore ranks adds to this bonus, with your 25 ranks that's an extra 5 for a total of +25 from Kai's.

Also as Tenser pointed out 425 also adds AS, so I'm assuming you have 425 on. To figure out your bonus from 425 you take your MnE spell ranks, 30, subtract 25, divide by 2, and truncate, then add 25. So in your case you have +27 from 425.

Kai's: +25
425: +27
STR bonus: +25
Polearm: +202
Cman: +26
509: +15
Weapon bonus +33

For a grand total of 353.

[Tgo01]

202: Weapon Skill Bonus
025: STR Stat Bonus
033: Weapon Enchant Bonus
026: Combat Maneuver Bonus [.ceil(51/2)]
015: Strength (509)
025: Kai's Triumph Song (1007)
027: Elemental Targeting (425) [25 base + trunc((30-25)/2)]
---------------------------
353 Total AS

With Sigil of Offense (+20) total AS = +373

Mark

I so would have beat you if I wasn't busy playing American Truck Simulator!

Curse you, Steam Summer Sale!

[Riltus]

I so would have beat you if I wasn't busy playing American Truck Simulator!

Curse you, Steam Summer Sale!

If you'd quit truckin' around and focus on the important things in life...

Just so you don't feel like a loser, you can think of it this way. You finished second while I finished next to last.

Mark

[Tgo01]

If you'd quit truckin' around and focus on the important things in life...

:(


Just so you don't feel like a loser, you can think of it this way. You finished second while I finished next to last.

:)