Attn: Wyrom - Pretemper potions for enchants greater than 7x

[Izalude]

Alright, so I just found out that the 8x bromim potion I bought at the Duskruin event won't work with my 7x fusion armor and shield, and was kind of the whole reason I bought it. My plan was to enchant the armor to 8x, and use the next Duskruin run in August to add padding to it. Since the 8x+ potions are absurdly rare and expensive already, I was hoping you'd take into consideration removing the max +30 bonus pre-temper requirement on enhancive and sanctified gear.

[Allereli]

Alright, so I just found out that the 8x bromim potion I bought at the Duskruin event won't work with my 7x fusion armor and shield, and was kind of the whole reason I bought it. My plan was to enchant the armor to 8x, and use the next Duskruin run in August to add padding to it. Since the 8x+ potions are absurdly rare and expensive already, I was hoping you'd take into consideration removing the max +30 bonus pre-temper requirement on enhancive and sanctified gear.

those limitations are known and published

https://gswiki.play.net/Ayveneh_potion

[Gelston]

Allereli is apparently Wyrom.

[Wrathbringer]

Allereli is apparently Wyrom.

Wyrom forgot to switch back to his main pc account when he posted that.

[Ltlprprincess]

The fact that anything above 7x enchanting for PCs is a rare occurrence outside special events, this pretemper limit makes sense. What doesn't, though, is a way to get like an ayveneh 2.0 for it. Maybe soon to come in DR?

[Allereli]

Allereli is apparently Wyrom.

send him an email if you don't expect others to respond

[rolfard]

I like public forums. They are a place where everyone can answer your question, even if it's one you ought to have researched before spending a buttload on something you can't even use.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlackElatedHarpyeagle-size_restricted.gif
#sorclife

[Gelston]

send him an email if you don't expect others to respond

Telling him knowledge after the fact that he has already learned the hard way accomplishes nothing. It is snarky and wasn't asked for. He was asking for Wyrom to look into changing something, not if the information about the current mechanics exists somewhere.

[Allereli]

Telling him knowledge after the fact that he has already learned the hard way accomplishes nothing. It is snarky and wasn't asked for. He was asking for Wyrom to look into changing something, not if the information about the current mechanics exists somewhere.

posting a request like this publicly is manipulative and puts more pressure on Wyrom to cave in.

He didn't ask for Wyrom to check into something, he asked for an item to be adjusted to give way more power than was intended.

[drauz]

I never knew about the restriction and might have fallen prey to it as well if I ever used fusion items.

Seems restrictive for no good reason.

[Androidpk]

posting a request like this publicly is manipulative and puts more pressure on Wyrom to cave in.

He didn't ask for Wyrom to check into something, he asked for an item to be adjusted to give way more power than was intended.

you can't be serious.. please tell me you're joking

[Gelston]

posting a request like this publicly is manipulative and puts more pressure on Wyrom to cave in.

He didn't ask for Wyrom to check into something, he asked for an item to be adjusted to give way more power than was intended.

That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever read. Go beat yourself with a phonebook. It will be just like EVERY OTHER request ever posted, he'll say yes or no. Get over yourself.

[tyrant-201]

Pretty sure Wyrom can take care of himself.

It is rather counter-intuitive that a bromim potion wouldn't work on anything 8x without enchant restrictions. Since, you know, all the other potions work exactly the same on fusion as they do non-fusion up to 7x.

[Amerek]

There is nothing wrong with asking a question.

[Methais]

Allereli is apparently Wyrom.

She might identify as Wyrom and if so who the fuck are you to say she can't? Racist.

PS: Enchanting as a whole is a steaming pile of tubgirl fountain juice.

[Gelston]

She might identify as Wyrom and if so who the fuck are you to say she can't? Racist.

PS: Enchanting as a whole is a steaming pile of tubgirl fountain juice.

Thanks for the visual.

[Allereli]

She might identify as Wyrom

I identify as Methais

[Methais]

I identify as Methais

I don't blame you one bit.

[Gelston]

I don't blame you one bit.

It'd be a massive improvement.

[Methais]

It'd be a massive improvement.

That would apply to anybody though.

[Gelston]

That would apply to anybody though.

Incorrect, talking dildong.

This thread is devolving rapidly.

[hello]

god I swear you people all must be a bunch of post-menopausal females sitting around eating cheesecake and fondling their cats... all I smell here when I read how people post on this forum is pussy.

[Methais]

god I swear you people all must be a bunch of post-menopausal females sitting around eating cheesecake and fondling their cats... all I smell here when I read how people post on this forum is pussy.

Fun fact: The original goatse picture is called hello.jpg

[Amerek]

god I swear you people all must be a bunch of post-menopausal females sitting around eating cheesecake and fondling their cats... all I smell here when I read how people post on this forum is pussy.

Please never stop posting.

[Gelston]

Please never stop posting.

Look at this reverse psychology crap.

[Methais]

Look at this reverse psychology crap.

That's just what he wants him to think, making it reverse reverse psychology.

[Whirlin]

I identify as Methais

I identify as that French spiderman actor guy in his signature

[Amerek]

That's just what he wants him to think, making it reverse reverse psychology.

http://i.imgur.com/ONjOPPP.jpg

[Izalude]

posting a request like this publicly is manipulative and puts more pressure on Wyrom to cave in.

He didn't ask for Wyrom to check into something, he asked for an item to be adjusted to give way more power than was intended.

I'm sorry Allereli, I can't fathom how requesting a change is manipulative? That was certainly not my intention at all.

[Allereli]

I'm sorry Allereli, I can't fathom how requesting a change is manipulative? That was certainly not my intention at all.

I believe you. The whole BS with the padding shop really has me down on the entire community at the moment. it was reminiscent of all the fake padding sob stories.

[Izalude]

The fact that anything above 7x enchanting for PCs is a rare occurrence outside special events, this pretemper limit makes sense. What doesn't, though, is a way to get like an ayveneh 2.0 for it. Maybe soon to come in DR?


If Bromin, aleteh and grenshol potions were more common, i'd agree with you... But they are absurdly rare already. I think that's already a limiting factor.

[Ltlprprincess]

If Bromin, aleteh and grenshol potions were more common, i'd agree with you... But they are absurdly rare already. I think that's already a limiting factor.

But with their appearance at recent DRs, they're becoming more common than before. The fact that two of each potion went out at the last DR, with each having 40 pours, equaling 4-5 enchants EACH... That has already raised the commonality signifigantly in comparison to the past five years over all.

A good solution or solution to this would be to 1. Offer a variety of pre-temper potions for the fusion/sancted items at DR to go alongside the 8x+ enchant potions being offered, or 2. Allow for a new pretemper recipe for alchemy. I'm more inclined to vote the alchemy route... simply because I also want mages to have the ability (though make it nearly impossible) to one day make 8x+ potions.

[Wyrom]

Something like this is better off in the enchanting topic on the officials.

However, if you want something personally done by me, these forums aren't the best way to reach me. Definitely email me. Until someone updates these old timer vBullentin forums to including @ tagging, it's no guarantee that I'll see your post.

[Androidpk]

Something like this is better off in the enchanting topic on the officials.

However, if you want something personally done by me, these forums aren't the best way to reach me. Definitely email me. Until someone updates these old timer vBullentin forums to including @ tagging, it's no guarantee that I'll see your post.

You know how PMs work.

[Viekn]

Something like this is better off in the enchanting topic on the officials.

However, if you want something personally done by me, these forums aren't the best way to reach me. Definitely email me. Until someone updates these old timer vBullentin forums to including @ tagging, it's no guarantee that I'll see your post.

Follow it up Aetheri and keep us posted!

[Izalude]

Roger. I'll post it there then.

[The Rock]

I believe you. The whole BS with the padding shop really has me down on the entire community at the moment. it was reminiscent of all the fake padding sob stories.

What BS with the padding shop?

[Ososis]

What BS with the padding shop?


Really? Again?

[The Rock]

Really? Again?

Apologies for reopening old wounds or something, but I've just returned for the Plat offer been out of touch since. I was the monk Megladon in Prime if anyone remembers me.

[Ososis]

Apologies for reopening old wounds or something, but I've just returned for the Plat offer been out of touch since. I was the monk Megladon in Prime if anyone remembers me.

'I don't know what you are talking about, but let me reassure you I am not what you are talking about"

[The Rock]

'I don't know what you are talking about, but let me reassure you I am not what you are talking about"

Hey guy, why don't you lighten up k? This is exactly the reason why I left prime. I'm hoping Plat will bring a more friendly feel to the game.

[Ososis]

Hey guy, why don't you lighten up k? This is exactly the reason why I left prime. I'm hoping Plat will bring a more friendly feel to the game.

When was the last time you were in Prime?

[drauz]

Hey guy, why don't you lighten up k? This is exactly the reason why I left prime. I'm hoping Plat will bring a more friendly feel to the game.

Macguyver/hello

[The Rock]

When was the last time you were in Prime?

Think it was in the summer of 12'. Heard about monks and I was stoked about the concept. Then RL happened and the place I hunted called River's Rest was hurting in terms of people and the two or three regulars there were real assholes. So I quit. Now, life's gotten much better, got settled and I want to do some hardcore RPing. I love the story aspect of Gemstone and no other game really duplicated that for me. I also like to read and use my mind's eye if you know what I mean. Anyhow, I'm a real chill dude if you get to know me.

[Parkbandit]

Think it was in the summer of 12'. Heard about monks and I was stoked about the concept. Then RL happened and the place I hunted called River's Rest was hurting in terms of people and the two or three regulars there were real assholes. So I quit. Now, life's gotten much better, got settled and I want to do some hardcore RPing. I love the story aspect of Gemstone and no other game really duplicated that for me. I also like to read and use my mind's eye if you know what I mean. Anyhow, I'm a real chill dude if you get to know me.

I got you back to Green, The Rock. I'm sorry.. sometimes people can be very mean to new members, like yourself. Personally, I welcome you to the Players Corner. You are going to be a breath of fresh air and will probably have insights into things people haven't brought up before.

Again, welcome!

[Neveragain]

I got you back to Green, The Rock. I'm sorry.. sometimes people can be very mean to new members, like yourself. Personally, I welcome you to the Players Corner. You are going to be a breath of fresh air and will probably have insights into things people haven't brought up before.

Again, welcome!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBcqd3cFRDU

[Wyrom]

No monk by the name Megladon in Prime.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnecHy2vyIQ

[Androidpk]

No monk by the name Megladon in Prime.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnecHy2vyIQ

https://i.imgflip.com/q7p4n.jpg

[Methais]

No monk by the name Megladon in Prime.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnecHy2vyIQ

And Megaladon was a warrior.

This guy is probably just macgyver still refusing to seek treatment for his autism.

[Androidpk]

And Megaladon was a warrior.

This guy is probably just macgyver still refusing to seek treatment for his autism.

I thought he was a GS3 sorcerer that wore chain class armor.

[hello]

And Megaladon was a warrior.

This guy is probably just macgyver still refusing to seek treatment for his autism.

Nope. But I'm beginning to sense a trend. I know this sounds crazy but I think there's a copycat macgyver on the forums. Saying just ONE other for right now. Is it an attempt to make me look even worse to the community and Whirlin, who knows?

Frankly, I don't mind he's trolling and trying to make it look like it's me. Honestly, I think he's better at it than me.

[SonoftheNorth]

Well Whirlin can see your IP address so I'm sure he knows which is which.

[hello]

Well Whirlin can see your IP address so I'm sure he knows which is which.

Yeah so hopefully I won't end up being framed. And to be brutally honest, the trolling's become boring now I'm more intrigued about the politics section more than anything. Maybe buying or selling the odd shit here and there asking a few questions, leave it at that.

[Back]

Nope. But I'm beginning to sense a trend. I know this sounds crazy but I think there's a copycat macgyver on the forums. Saying just ONE other for right now. Is it an attempt to make me look even worse to the community and Whirlin, who knows?

Frankly, I don't mind he's trolling and trying to make it look like it's me. Honestly, I think he's better at it than me.

Not entirely far-fetched. It happened when I got banned for sharing login information. Someone made multiple accounts to spoof me around the time I tried and failed to create and keep a politics account separate from my GS account.

[Methais]

Not entirely far-fetched. It happened when I got banned for sharing login information. Someone made multiple accounts to spoof me around the time I tried and failed to create and keep a politics account separate from my GS account.

What is actually the point of sharing login information on the PC?

[Wyrom]

https://i.imgflip.com/q7p4n.jpg

God, that "damn" video does make me laugh a lot.

[Orthin]

What is actually the point of sharing login information on the PC?

When you spout nonsense or back out of an auction you can say it was that dude and not the real me.

[Androidpk]

God, that "damn" video does make me laugh a lot.

This is the first time I've actually seen the video and not just the gif. God i'm such a slacker -_-

[Taernath]

What is actually the point of sharing login information on the PC?

May be his significant other wanted to make sure he's not propositioning other posters.


This is the first time I've actually seen the video and not just the gif. God i'm such a slacker -_-

... that's not even the full video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeB3eYk1Ze0

[Methais]

May be his significant other wanted to make sure he's not propositioning other posters.

From what I remember, all those "fake" accounts were actually him having daily meltdowns. Then eventually he was like "Yeah I was having issues."

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm remembering this wrong.

[Androidpk]

... that's not even the full video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeB3eYk1Ze0

TIL

[Taernath]

TIL

"Some things that should not have been forgotten were lost. Videos became gifs, gifs became image macros."

[Whirlin]

http://i.imgur.com/RJZH5mR.gif

[Methais]

I thought he was a GS3 sorcerer that wore chain class armor.

Fame List -- Warriors -- Starting Rank 308
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Rank| Name | Fame |Lvl|G| Race
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308 Vlatimire 83383626 100 M Giant
329 Morelean 80799327 100 M Giant
333 Lancecile 80119564 100 M Giant
340 Cromir 79020034 100 M Giant
347 Brinemead 77500370 100 M Human
352 Madmountan 77188485 100 M Giant
354 Kinshack 76890734 100 M Giant
355 Cryheart 76864389 100 M Human
361 Demianna 75909018 100 F Elf
386 Bromos 72073904 94 M Human
408 Risky 70072716 100 M Human
417 Nathan 69223561 100 M HalfElf
419 Jaqen 69028847 100 M Giant
431 Aaysia 67766543 100 F Elf
446 Mystiss 65734549 93 F Human
455 Crust 64359460 100 M Dwarf
457 Dasmik 64106518 100 M Giant
462 Mohrgan 63090760 100 M Human
464 Dungath 62859913 100 M Giant
466 Daergard 62539863 90 M Giant
484 Jarlstrom 60457624 100 M Giant
495 Nitezor 60002221 100 F Giant
502 Megaladon 59300913 100 M Giant
503 Azerius 59222295 91 M Dwarf
509 Koleph 58806187 100 M Dwarf

[Parkbandit]

From what I remember, all those "fake" accounts were actually him having daily meltdowns. Then eventually he was like "Yeah I was having issues."

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm remembering this wrong.

Oh the Backlash meltdown...

Those were the days.

[Gelston]

What has this thread become?

[audioserf]

I thought he was a GS3 sorcerer that wore chain class armor.

That was Malok. And Malokii, I think. Dude had a thing for giant sorcerors and chain armor and also picking boxes to achieve level 200 or something.

[Parkbandit]

What has this thread become?

A quick question > a self importance, cunty response > Hammering the cunt > A troll arrives > Feeding the troll > "Wasn't me!" > Trollololol > AHA! / Oops > GIFWARZ

[Androidpk]

That was Malok. And Malokii, I think. Dude had a thing for giant sorcerors and chain armor and also picking boxes to achieve level 200 or something.

Ahh, yes, thanks! I was wracking my brain trying to remember his name.

[Roblar]

And Megaladon was a warrior.


I remember him from the fame lists back then but I think he hunted OTF/EN

Funny, Drumpel just posted some old Banaltra links. Here he is swinging that quarterstaff. It sees use!

http://zilal.byondhome.com/gs3/culture/gembanaltra7.html

[Methais]

A quick question > a self importance, cunty response > Hammering the cunt > A troll arrives > Feeding the troll > "Wasn't me!" > Trollololol > AHA! / Oops > GIFWARZ

Isn't this how every thread on the PC goes though?

[Methais]

I remember him from the fame lists back then but I think he hunted OTF/EN

Funny, Drumpel just posted some old Banaltra links. Here he is swinging that quarterstaff. It sees use!

http://zilal.byondhome.com/gs3/culture/gembanaltra7.html

Isn't this where the whole storyline got completely fucked because they thought they made the feithidmor unkillable and then Drizzsdt was like "I have a large penis!" and killed it anyway? And then they had to scramble and just wing it to close out the storyline if I remember correctly. I wanna say this sparked a lot of the original level cap (160 soft cap) discussions too.

Drizzsdt leaps from hiding to attack!
Drizzsdt swings a ruby-hilted black rolaren longsword at a feithidmor!
AS: +961 vs DS: +845 with AvD: +17 + d100 roll: +32 = +165
... and hits for 51 points of damage!
Incredible slash to the feithidmor's neck!
Throat and vocal cords destroyed!
Zero chance of survival.
The feithidmor falls to the ground and dies.

[Gelston]

Isn't this where the whole storyline got completely fucked because they thought they made the feithidmor unkillable and then Drizzsdt was like "I have a large penis!" and killed it anyway? And then they had to scramble and just wing it to close out the storyline if I remember correctly. I wanna say this sparked a lot of the original level cap (160 soft cap) discussions too.

Drizzsdt leaps from hiding to attack!
Drizzsdt swings a ruby-hilted black rolaren longsword at a feithidmor!
AS: +961 vs DS: +845 with AvD: +17 + d100 roll: +32 = +165
... and hits for 51 points of damage!
Incredible slash to the feithidmor's neck!
Throat and vocal cords destroyed!
Zero chance of survival.
The feithidmor falls to the ground and dies.

A rogue, can't remember the name, think it started with an R? He did the same thing with another one.

[Methais]

A rogue, can't remember the name, think it started with an R? He did the same thing with another one.

Which one was the big boss that Drizz killed and pwned the whole storyline with? I remember it happening, I just don't remember the NPC critter's name.

[Taernath]

Which one was the big boss that Drizz killed and pwned the whole storyline with? I remember it happening, I just don't remember the NPC critter's name.

I thought the feithidmores were the big bosses.

[Methais]

I thought the feithidmores were the big bosses.

That's what I thought too. I only heard about Drizzsdt killing one though, never heard about a rogue also doing it.


A rogue, can't remember the name, think it started with an R? He did the same thing with another one.

Rozak and Ravashaak are the only "R" rogues I can think of offhand from back then. No idea what level they were at the time or anything though.

[Gelston]

That's what I thought too. I only heard about Drizzsdt killing one though, never heard about a rogue also doing it.



Rozak and Ravashaak are the only "R" rogues I can think of offhand from back then. No idea what level they were at the time or anything though.

I think it was Rife or some shit. And yeah, the Feithidhmores or whatever were the big bosses. There were three I think? One in Landing, Icemule, and RR.

[Gelston]

It was Reife. He hid and ambushed it and killed it. He killed the Solhaven one. There may not have been one in Icemule. It has been a while. He was a warrior though.

This was his kill...

You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a short-hafted vaalorn alloy waraxe at a feithidmor!
AS: +863 vs DS: +855 with AvD: +23 + d100 roll: +91 = +122
... and hit for 55 points of damage!
Gruesome, slashing blow to the side of the feithidmor's head!
Skull split open! Brain (and life) vanishes in a fine mist.
The feithidmor falls to the ground and dies.
The guiding force leaves you.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

[Methais]

It was Reife. He hid and ambushed it and killed it. He killed the Solhaven one. There may not have been one in Icemule. It has been a while.

Reife was also a warrior. And then a GM whose actual name I can't remember. He also had the golden lint bag + self mana call wind + self mana Haste II, which is pretty much the most ridiculous ambushing combo you can possibly have.

Pretty much all 1H squares were ambushers in GS3, rogue or not.

[Gelston]

The Banaltra even was my favorite to this date. I just loved how they'd pop into a room and you'd have a quick oh shit moment before you killed it, if you could that is. They didn't have just mass invasions all the time, just... Sometimes one would randomly pop in. Was fun, and nobody went AFK during that event. This is when I used to hang out at the Cul de Sac

[Taernath]

I completely missed the banaltra event, but I don't remember why. I did read about Drizzsdt pwning it and lol'ed heartily though.

[hello]

Always told them they needed to nerf ambushing from hiding, but they just buffed everything else around it.

[Taernath]

I completely missed the banaltra event, but I don't remember why. I did read about Drizzsdt pwning it and lol'ed heartily though.

You know, now that I think back.... didn't something bug out with that quest line? Like the feithidmor were never actually meant to come to the surface because they'd be invincible, people were supposed to enter the burrows to kill them where they were weak. Something went wrong and they came out and were basically unkillable to 99% of the population until Drizzsdt and the rest showed up.

[Gelston]

You know, now that I think back.... didn't something bug out with that quest line? Like the feithidmor were never actually meant to come to the surface because they'd be invincible, people were supposed to enter the burrows to kill them where they were weak. Something went wrong and they came out and were basically unkillable to 99% of the population until Drizzsdt and the rest showed up.

They were meant to have a more dramatic end instead of them both being one shotted.

[drauz]

Isn't this how every thread on the PC goes though?

No, GifWarz > ALL

[Taernath]

They were meant to have a more dramatic end instead of them both being one shotted.

Well yeah, Drizzsdt wasn't even involved in the quest IIRC, he was just passing through. The 'chosen' were supposed to team up and go underground to kill these things where they were weak. GM NPCs had been saying that if they made it to the surface it would be game over. The guys on Teras killed theirs, but the quest bugged on the rest and made them go to the surface when they weren't supposed to be there. It was only because of Drizzsdt and the other guy that the GMs didn't end it themselves.

At least, that's what I remember.

[Gelston]

Well yeah, Drizzsdt wasn't even involved in the quest IIRC, he was just passing through. The 'chosen' were supposed to team up and go underground to kill these things where they were weak. GM NPCs had been saying that if they made it to the surface it would be game over. The guys on Teras killed theirs, but the quest bugged on the rest and made them go to the surface when they weren't supposed to be there. It was only because of Drizzsdt and the other guy that the GMs didn't end it themselves.

At least, that's what I remember.

That's right, they were in Landing, Teras, and Solhaven. Didn't Malok kill the Teras one?

[Ososis]

That's right, they were in Landing, Teras, and Solhaven. Didn't Malok kill the Teras one?

CALLING ALL BARDS!!!!
This story needs to be told.

[Soulance]

Something like this is better off in the enchanting topic on the officials..

The problem is... you'd have to go to the Officials and those are painfully horrible to navigate and follow.

[Wyrom]

Yes, the officials are painfully difficult to navigate if you're a novice on the Internet. Anyone with a minor amount of experience beyond Netscape should be okay though.

[Roblar]

Is this where his video/gif goes?

[Parkbandit]

Yes, the officials are painfully difficult to navigate if you're a novice on the Internet. Anyone with a minor amount of experience beyond Netscape should be okay though.

http://thethings2.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/passive-aggressive2-quickmeme.jpg

[Soulance]

Yes, the officials are painfully difficult to navigate if you're a novice on the Internet. Anyone with a minor amount of experience beyond Netscape should be okay though.
When I can actually connect @ 14.4k it works alright, but usually there's too much noise on the line so I'm stuck lower...

You've got Mail!

[drauz]

Yes, the officials are painfully difficult to navigate if you're a novice on the Internet. Anyone with a minor amount of experience beyond Netscape should be okay though.

Why go to ground chuck when you could have filet mignon.

[drauz]

Is this where his video/gif goes?

Wyrom saying the forums aren't that bad

http://i.imgur.com/jG4NhQL.gif

[Gelston]

Yes, the officials are painfully difficult to navigate if you're a novice on the Internet. Anyone with a minor amount of experience beyond Netscape should be okay though.

A search feature would be cool. I mean, no they aren't difficult, but they could be so much better.

[Wyrom]

Why go to ground chuck when you could have filet mignon.

Heh, are you comparing vBullentin with filet mignon!? I mean, if we call the official ground chuck, then we're going to have to call vBulletin like ground sirloin.

[drauz]

Heh, are you comparing vBullentin with filet mignon!? I mean, if we call the official ground chuck, then we're going to have to call vBulletin like ground sirloin.

I can edit my posts and post gifs, its filet mignon COMPARED to whatever hell the officials are. And a search feature that isn't me googling your site.

[Gelston]

I can edit my posts and post gifs, its filet mignon COMPARED to whatever hell the officials are. And a search feature that isn't me googling your site.

Shit, vBulletin is like perfectly grilled filet mignon served on platinum dishes with diamond handled forks and knives compared to the ground chuck the officials are.

[Whirlin]

Shit, vBulletin is like perfectly grilled filet mignon served on platinum dishes with diamond handled forks and knives compared to the ground chuck the officials are.

Sure... it all sounds like good dishes until you realized that they're seasoned with Parkbandit on the filet and Krakii on the chuck.

[Gelston]

Sure... it all sounds like good dishes until you realized that they're seasoned with Parkbandit on the filet and Fleurs on the chuck.

The difference in quality still remains!

[Wyrom]

Haha, you guys are good fun though.

[chalion]

My favorite part of the officials is having to log out to see an extra 10 threads in threaded view. God help you trying to find anything that doesn't fit on that one page!
You integrated the wiki with accounts, you can spend some duskruin money on integrating a third party forums code.

[Gelston]

I don't know why the officials need to be integrated with billing. If someone's account is off, who cares if they post. If they post stupid shit, ban them.

[tyrant-201]

Sure... it all sounds like good dishes until you realized that they're seasoned with Parkbandit on the filet and Krakii on the chuck.

lmao

[drauz]

Sure... it all sounds like good dishes until you realized that they're seasoned with Parkbandit on the filet and Krakii on the chuck.

Both forums allow you to request that they not use those particular seasoning.

[Parkbandit]

Sure... it all sounds like good dishes until you realized that they're seasoned with Parkbandit on the filet and Krakii on the chuck.

At least the officials have competent mods.

These used to be filet.. until, well, you happened.

[Gelston]

Lol, he edited his post from Fleurs to Krakii. Poor Krakii.

[drauz]

At least the officials have competent mods.

These used to be filet.. until, well, you happened.

I think hes done a good job so far.

[Wyrom]

I don't know why the officials need to be integrated with billing. If someone's account is off, who cares if they post. If they post stupid shit, ban them.

The main thing is, we don't have the manpower to deal with people creating endless forum accounts. IP blocking was once a thing, but it's nearly impossible these days.

[hello]

I actually think the Officials being so archaic and basic makes the poster more disciplined, mature and on topic. Like entering an old fashioned dress-up formal restaurant versus a seedy strip club with people in stained sweat pants like the PC.

[Gelston]

The main thing is, we don't have the manpower to deal with people creating endless forum accounts. IP blocking was once a thing, but it's nearly impossible these days.

Well no, keep it tied to actual accounts, but billing status being irrelevant. So if someone is wanting to troll, it'd cost $15 each time.

[Whirlin]

Well no, keep it tied to actual accounts, but billing status being irrelevant. So if someone is wanting to troll, it'd cost $15 each time.
Can F2P post?

[Gelston]

Can F2P post?

I think they have a special area for them? Not sure. I'd say full privileges for paid accounts only though, that continues regardless of billing status.

[Astray]

The main thing is, we don't have the manpower to deal with people creating endless forum accounts. IP blocking was once a thing, but it's nearly impossible these days.

You could always find volunteers. Oh wait...

[chalion]

F2P is locked down to certain areas. There is a tiny overlap with prime.

[Gelston]

You could always find volunteers. Oh wait...

Heh, mentors could mod!

[Astray]

Heh, mentors could mod!

Naaah, Simutronics doesn't use volunteers! That's just silly.

[hello]

Can F2P post?

No. F2P are relegated to the F2P slums folder, even though we spend 275$ in DR.

Although, granted, Wyrom and other GMs do check those folders. I've tested personally on inane questions, and they respond promptly. So, there you go. Still don't understand why they don't allow F2Pers to mingle in the RP section of the forums and other socializing areas, which I think will help in getting them hooked.

[Soulance]

In the end... it's all just beef.

[Gelston]

In the end... it's all just beef.

You're round steak, ho.

[hello]

You're round steak, ho.

Ahh, Gelston. Can't even push out 2 pull ups. Skip the steak and start cutting pleb.

[Gelston]

Ahh, Gelston. Can't even push out 2 pull ups. Skip the steak and start cutting pleb.

You obviously can't read. I'm well beyond 2 now.

[Methais]

If the PC is anything it's beef wellington.

Gay beef wellington.

[Parkbandit]

I think hes done a good job so far.

I know... it's really irritating!

[Parkbandit]

I actually think the Officials being so archaic and basic makes the poster more disciplined, mature and on topic. Like entering an old fashioned dress-up formal restaurant versus a seedy strip club with people in stained sweat pants like the PC.

It's not the archaic forums.. it's the Nazi moderators that keep the sheep in lock step.

[Wyrom]

I'm not for heavy moderation. You guys want to tell me I suck, feel free. Only thing I really enforce on the officials are not breaking game secrets, not using vulgarity, and when flaming/personal attacks get out of hand. Personally, I enjoy it when someone makes a fool out of themselves and goes off the rails. I always vote leaving those posts. Let everyone know what kind of person they are!

[Whirlin]

Also, official forum moderation policy changed a few months ago to reduce moderation. Don't think anyone brought that up yet.

[Parkbandit]

I'm not for heavy moderation. You guys want to tell me I suck, feel free. Only thing I really enforce on the officials are not breaking game secrets, not using vulgarity, and when flaming/personal attacks get out of hand. Personally, I enjoy it when someone makes a fool out of themselves and goes off the rails. I always vote leaving those posts. Let everyone know what kind of person they are!

You suck.


Just kidding. I just remember the last time I was there was probably 15 years ago when I got a 30 day ban for calling Celtic "Anal" and the retarded moderator thought I was calling him a homosexual.....

[hello]

I'm not for heavy moderation. You guys want to tell me I suck, feel free. Only thing I really enforce on the officials are not breaking game secrets, not using vulgarity, and when flaming/personal attacks get out of hand. Personally, I enjoy it when someone makes a fool out of themselves and goes off the rails. I always vote leaving those posts. Let everyone know what kind of person they are!

So, what's considered going too far? I've been suit and tie in the official forums, but wanted to go rage mode a couple times but refrained. When tgo01 was criticizing the wizard changes, was that OK or 'within bounds' in terms of moderation? o

[ArchSenex]

If you want to know how liberal the forum rules are, please read the Wizard forum on the official. Bring gloves. Half the people in the discussion are just flaming each other at this point.

I almost miss the old rules.

[BriarFox]

If you want to know how liberal the forum rules are, please read the Wizard forum on the official. Bring gloves. Half the people in the discussion are just flaming each other at this point.

I almost miss the old rules.

Yeah, I just put the wizard folder on ignore as of yesterday.

[chalion]

I got a post pulled for calling someone's tactics cry bullying, not the person, the post.
Meanwhile, its A-OK to call the way people play the game slightly different "bots" or otherwise delegitimize alternative choices made in this game of role playing.
The power gamers are really sucking the life out of the game.

Remember when this thread was about potions? Fucking alchemy.

[Astray]

I'm not for heavy moderation. You guys want to tell me I suck, feel free. Only thing I really enforce on the officials are not breaking game secrets, not using vulgarity, and when flaming/personal attacks get out of hand. Personally, I enjoy it when someone makes a fool out of themselves and goes off the rails. I always vote leaving those posts. Let everyone know what kind of person they are!

Yer garbage.

[Wyrom]

If you want to know how liberal the forum rules are, please read the Wizard forum on the official. Bring gloves. Half the people in the discussion are just flaming each other at this point.

I almost miss the old rules.


Yeah, I just put the wizard folder on ignore as of yesterday.

The biggest obstacle we have with moderation on the forums is the offensive victim card. I'm actually in the process to address it.


I got a post pulled for calling someone's tactics cry bullying, not the person, the post.
Meanwhile, its A-OK to call the way people play the game slightly different "bots" or otherwise delegitimize alternative choices made in this game of role playing.
The power gamers are really sucking the life out of the game.

Remember when this thread was about potions? Fucking alchemy.

When? Recently?


Yer garbage.

#Trash

[Taernath]

The biggest obstacle we have with moderation on the forums is the offensive victim card. I'm actually in the process to address it.


+1 if you actually manage to do it. The weird passive aggressiveness of the officials is one of the biggest reasons to avoid them.

[Wrathbringer]

The biggest obstacle we have with moderation on the forums is Fleurs. I'm actually in the process to address it.

Good to hear and fixed.

[ArchSenex]

Good to hear and fixed.

i may not always agree with her, but at this point people are just baiting etc. things deteriorate rapidly from there.

[Parkbandit]

The biggest obstacle we have with moderation on the forums is the offensive victim card. I'm actually in the process to address it.

#SafeSpaceNeeded

[Wrathbringer]

i may not always agree with her, but at this point people are just baiting etc. things deteriorate rapidly from there.

Where is all this troll on troll action taking place in the wizard folder? I can't find it and need to be entertained.

[Taernath]

Where is all this troll on troll action taking place in the wizard folder? I can't find it and need to be entertained.

Enchanting

[Wrathbringer]

Enchanting

I've been keeping up with that...I saw no troll on troll action...wait, was krakii involved? I have him on ignore.

eta: krakii wasn't involved. I see no pulled posts or anything.

[ArchSenex]

Where is all this troll on troll action taking place in the wizard folder? I can't find it and need to be entertained.

the last few posts about inability to understand keyboards, a cleric using sk spells, etc. you may not contextualize then without reading the several hundred earlier posts, im afraid.

[ArchSenex]

Enchanting

enchanting is relatively moderate. its the spells folder

[Wyrom]

Yeah, "Wizard Spells" is the bulk of it. But it's bleeding into the other topics as well.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah, "Wizard Spells" is the bulk of it. But it's bleeding into the other topics as well.

That's terrible. :popcorn:

[Astray]

Yeah, "Wizard Spells" is the bulk of it. But it's bleeding into the other topics as well.

To be fair, I'm saying this out of fairness, Wizards got raped in the ass with a pineapple shaped watermelon sized dildo when you lot touched the spells and "made them better." To be fair.

#Trash

[Wyrom]

Well yes, 3 spell changes did rock the wizard dynamics. I don't think anyone got raped though. Combat in GS is very instant still.

Before Tisket rips your post up, edit a hyphen in between pineapple and shaped though.

#TisketTribute

[Astray]

Well yes, 3 spell changes did rock the wizard dynamics. I don't think anyone got raped though. Combat in GS is very instant still.

Before Tisket rips your post up, edit a hyphen in between pineapple and shaped though.

#TisketTribute

I always got a kick out of how balance gets brought up, not in this instance but still, to defend the changes. There's no PvP and PvM is pretty much a non-focus (it should be) in a game about Character. Was balance the real reason? HM? WELL?!

NEVER! Fuck Tisket! Fuck 'er I says!

#Trash #TisketTribute

[Archigeek]

Isn't this where the whole storyline got completely fucked because they thought they made the feithidmor unkillable and then Drizzsdt was like "I have a large penis!" and killed it anyway? And then they had to scramble and just wing it to close out the storyline if I remember correctly. I wanna say this sparked a lot of the original level cap (160 soft cap) discussions too.

Drizzsdt leaps from hiding to attack!
Drizzsdt swings a ruby-hilted black rolaren longsword at a feithidmor!
AS: +961 vs DS: +845 with AvD: +17 + d100 roll: +32 = +165
... and hits for 51 points of damage!
Incredible slash to the feithidmor's neck!
Throat and vocal cords destroyed!
Zero chance of survival.
The feithidmor falls to the ground and dies.

Everyone rips on this quest like it sucked or something, but the truth is that it was pretty awesome. If the GM in charge (Bradoch) hadn't expressed his anguish about how it ended, the players wouldn't have even known it wasn't supposed to end that way. A good lesson learned: don't reveal all the little fuck ups to the public, as most of the time they aren't as bad as you thought they were. Everyone was pretty happy with that quest.

In a nut shell, the faethidmores weren't supposed to be killable and were supposed to take everyone out if/once they surfaced, and then return into their underground lairs until such time that they should hatch again, (in the far future). The quest was basically over when they surfaced, so Drizzsdt and Reife killing the ones in Wehnimer's Landing and Solhaven didn't really impact the player involved portion of the story all that much4. Bradoch was a pretty dang good story teller, and had planned for whether they got to the surface or not, it just didn't quite work out. The biggest short coming was actually that their wave attack that hit pretty much everyone in an entire town everytime it went off, wasn't as powerful as it had been in the test server. If it had worked as intended, it would have been much less likely that the faethidmores would have been killed. It was supposed to be basically fatal to everyone.

Bottom line though, it was a great story and loads of fun.

[hello]

Yeah, "Wizard Spells" is the bulk of it. But it's bleeding into the other topics as well.

Can you elaborate further on "Wizard Spells", I've heard a lot about this... what exactly happened? And do you think you guys (the GMs) were in the right?

[Ltlprprincess]

Did we actually ever come to a conclusion regarding temper potions or did it dissolve into wizard tears again?

[ArchSenex]

Did we actually ever come to a conclusion regarding temper potions or did it dissolve into wizard tears again?

I believe the resolution was "This really should be discussed officially on the official forums because we can't get an official answer here" although not with those words. Then the topic wandered, it took us a while to get to Wizard tears though.

[Astray]

Did we actually ever come to a conclusion regarding temper potions or did it dissolve into wizard tears again?

Wizard Tears sounds like it could be a B-rated cereal or a substitute for milk for people with lactose intolerance.

[Wyrom]

It use to be sorcerer tears.

[Astray]

Monk tears would be a thing if people actually played them.

[ArchSenex]

Monk tears would be a thing if people actually played them.

Maybe they just ran out?

[Astray]

Maybe they just ran out?

Or their tears weren't implemented yet.

OH SNAP TOO SOON?!

[hello]

Monks are fine, people will just bitch about anything.

[ArchSenex]

Monks are fine, people will just bitch about anything.

Actually, so far, my monk has been doing fine. I think they're just a niche play-style which isn't for everybody, which is fine. You can't really expect "unarmed combat master" to have diverse combat options.

[hello]

Actually, so far, my monk has been doing fine. I think they're just a niche play-style which isn't for everybody, which is fine. You can't really expect "unarmed combat master" to have diverse combat options.

Fucking spot on, thank you for being honest.
https://media.tenor.co/images/5d4c55c9f204e270eb6f2a98aae5420d/tenor.gif

[Ltlprprincess]

Wizard Tears sounds like it could be a B-rated cereal or a substitute for milk for people with lactose intolerance.

It's the name of my GS parody band: Wizard Tears and the Void Within, coming to SimuCon near you.

[Tisket]

I always got a kick out of how balance gets brought up, not in this instance but still, to defend the changes. There's no PvP and PvM is pretty much a non-focus (it should be) in a game about Character. Was balance the real reason? HM? WELL?!

NEVER! Fuck Tisket! Fuck 'er I says!

#Trash #TisketTribute

Shut up, Astray. Let the man speak.

[Astray]

Shut up, Astray. Let the man speak.

Make me!

[chalion]

When? Recently?


I think it was yesterday around noon. Frankly, it was for the betterment of the topic as a whole. I get a bug up my ass because its pretty shitty that people can just go ahead and label large portions of a professions player base as "bots" or otherwise "not playing the game the right way" just because they don't suck the dick of the people who claim that the only legitimate build is the most numerically superior one.

You wanna say killing things in two clicks vs one isn't as fun that's fine. You wanna argue that not being able to solo things isn't fun, sure whatever. But when the argument is always "anyone who builds around a group is just being dragged around by their other main" or "Yeah because you're a spell bot" or "have fun with your gimped character you trash bag cock stain, learn2play" and you can't get away with posting:
We'll had your winning personality not driven everyone around you to not want to help, maybe you'd have people to hunt with and be able to fry faster/safer than you can solo.

Just seems there is a very vocal push to remove all the stuff that is/was implemented to make people work together instead of everyone playing their solo numbers game.

Fuck I hate words.

[hello]

I think it was yesterday around noon. Frankly, it was for the betterment of the topic as a whole. I get a bug up my ass because its pretty shitty that people can just go ahead and label large portions of a professions player base as "bots" or otherwise "not playing the game the right way" just because they don't suck the dick of the people who claim that the only legitimate build is the most numerically superior one.

You wanna say killing things in two clicks vs one isn't as fun that's fine. You wanna argue that not being able to solo things isn't fun, sure whatever. But when the argument is always "anyone who builds around a group is just being dragged around by their other main" or "Yeah because you're a spell bot" or "have fun with your gimped character you trash bag cock stain, learn2play" and you can't get away with posting:
We'll had your winning personality not driven everyone around you to not want to help, maybe you'd have people to hunt with and be able to fry faster/safer than you can solo.

Just seems there is a very vocal push to remove all the stuff that is/was implemented to make people work together instead of everyone playing their solo numbers game.

Fuck I hate words.

honestly it's a lot easier to just 'solo bot' the game than rely on others even friends. Frankly, Simu probably makes quite a bit off spellbots and secondary accounts and thus don't see it changing.

[Ososis]

honestly it's a lot easier to just 'solo bot' the game than rely on others even friends. Frankly, Simu probably makes quite a bit off spellbots and secondary accounts and thus don't see it changing.

BREAKING NEW:
Having accounts on hand to spell you up is easier and more reliable than asking others to do it for you! We will keep you updated as this situation unfolds. Next up, having silvers has been proven to have more spending value than not having silvers.

Seriously though man, all you do is whine about how simu is money hungry, Wyrom is a con artist, we are all the 1% and don't let you into our cliche. You really should stick to the politics folder.

[Allereli]

Seriously though man, all you do is whine about how simu is money hungry, Wyrom is a con artist, we are all the 1% and don't let you into our cliche. You really should stick to the politics folder.

it's trolling, ignore and stop responding.

[Ososis]

it's trolling, ignore and stop responding.

This comment has gotten really tired. I am just as free to call him an asshat as he is to be one. If you think you are cracking some giant nugget of wisdom, you aren't. As I have said many times, I enjoy my exchanges with McG. I could be a shit bag troll myself, but I try to choose appropriate targets. I am like the Dexter of shit trolls.

[Astray]

I am the Dexter of shit trolls.

I was with you till you said that stupid shit. You fucking suck you fucking fuck.

[Tisket]

This comment has gotten really tired. I am just as free to call him an asshat as he is to be one. If you think you are cracking some giant nugget of wisdom, you aren't. As I have said many times, I enjoy my exchanges with McG. I could be a shit bag troll myself, but I try to choose appropriate targets. I am the Dexter of shit trolls.

She likes to pretend to be above the fray.

[Ososis]

I was with you till you said that stupid shit. You fucking suck you fucking fuck.

Fair point. I guess that read a bit grandiose. My point being I do shit things but I try not to do them to decent people. Not 100%, but there is some effort that goes into it.

Edited my last post to try to be a bit less up my own ass, again not 100%.

[Tisket]

Fair point. I guess that read a bit grandiose. My point being I do shit things but I try not to do them to decent people. Not 100%, but there is some effort that goes into it.

Astray's just in a combative mood today. He even tried to pick a fight in a rep comment. Made me laugh. Can't tag him back yet because my rep rotation is shitty slow.

[Allereli]

I enjoy my exchanges with McG.

wow...

[Tisket]

Yes, the only poster who uses the PC correctly is Allereli.

Shame on you, Oso.

[Astray]

Astray's just in a combative mood today.

It's shark week, I'm sorry. I need chocolate.

[Ososis]

wow...

hurhurhur, yeah cause that's somehow worse than putting in all this time and effort because I am supper pissy and have the sandiest vagina? You are only getting trolled if you aren't having fun, you really should have more fun.

[Gelston]

She likes to pretend to be above the fray.

I find his responses to MacGuyver in every thread he posts in annoying too.

[Tisket]

I find his responses to MacGuyver in every thread he posts in annoying too.

Face it, you find everything annoying.

[Gelston]

Face it, you find everything annoying.

Not everything. Some things I find rather not annoying.

[Tisket]

Not everything. Some things I find rather not annoying.

You remind me of a crabby, contradictory neighbor of mine.

[Gelston]

You remind me of a crabby, contradictory neighbor of mine.

I am your neighbor.

[Tisket]

I am your neighbor.

Give me back my rake then!

[Gelston]

Give me back my rake then!

I sold it during the community garage sale.

[Tisket]

The community garage sale is in June, impersonator.

[Gelston]

The community garage sale is in June, impersonator.

Last years. Keep up with the times.

[Ososis]

I find his responses to MacGuyver in every thread he posts in annoying too.

And didn't it feel nice to say that? You can scroll past, actively ignore, respond to, or as Allereli seems to have recently discovered you can shit rep them. All these are fine as long as you are enjoying yourself.

[Methais]

You suck.


Just kidding. I just remember the last time I was there was probably 15 years ago when I got a 30 day ban for calling Celtic "Anal" and the retarded moderator thought I was calling him a homosexual.....

Was it Emeradan? Because that sounds like something Emeradan would do.


I got a post pulled for calling someone's tactics cry bullying, not the person, the post.
Meanwhile, its A-OK to call the way people play the game slightly different "bots" or otherwise delegitimize alternative choices made in this game of role playing.
The power gamers are really sucking the life out of the game.

Remember when this thread was about potions? Fucking alchemy.

For what it's worth, Aulis is the worst forum mod since Emeradan and is pretty terrible at his job.

[Methais]

Can you elaborate further on "Wizard Spells", I've heard a lot about this... what exactly happened? And do you think you guys (the GMs) were in the right?

Ultra TLDR:

Immolate and Rapid Fire builds got raped with a cheese grater dildo last year, dev says they want wizards to be using bolts for their primary attack instead of warding spells, bolts continue to be AIDS in the post-cap game, CHANNELing a bolt (the "buff" bolts got to increase the chance to hit a vital area at the cost of a 3 second hard RT) still usually doesn't hit a vital area, you usually just end up plinking away at the target, usually with a bunch of evade/block/parry happening, until it eventually dies from lack of HP, which is a boring as fuck way to kill things in a crit heavy game like this, dev's stance is basically that wizards are fine and if you're not having fun anymore post-nerf then you're doing it wrong because Estild ran some numbers in a spreadsheet.

[Orthin]

Ultra TLDR:

Immolate and Rapid Fire builds got raped with a cheese grater dildo last year, dev says they want wizards to be using bolts for their primary attack instead of warding spells, bolts continue to be AIDS in the post-cap game, CHANNELing a bolt (the "buff" bolts got to increase the chance to hit a vital area at the cost of a 3 second hard RT) still usually doesn't hit a vital area, you usually just end up plinking away at the target, usually with a bunch of evade/block/parry happening, until it eventually dies from lack of HP, which is a boring as fuck way to kill things in a crit heavy game like this, dev's stance is basically that wizards are fine and if you're not having fun anymore post-nerf then you're doing it wrong because Estild ran some numbers in a spreadsheet.

Point of clarification...do mean a dildo FOR cheese graters or a dildo that has the properties of a cheese grater. I didn't read anything else you posted because this made me think of cheese graters having sex.

[drauz]

It use to be sorcerer tears.

I still hate simutronics for raping dark catalyst, it is still an underwhelming spell imo.

I mean it was like the GMs each took turns with it, then broke its legs, then they all took turns again.

[hello]

BREAKING NEW:
Having accounts on hand to spell you up is easier and more reliable than asking others to do it for you! We will keep you updated as this situation unfolds. Next up, having silvers has been proven to have more spending value than not having silvers.

Seriously though man, all you do is whine about how simu is money hungry, Wyrom is a con artist, we are all the 1% and don't let you into our cliche. You really should stick to the politics folder.

When was I "whining", I've been a Simu cheerleader for a long while now. The only aspect I disagree with management on is F2P. Ososis you have a deep problem of making up stories in your head to support some agenda against me. I've been nothing but a normal run-of-the-mill poster here on the PC. It's just a tiny bit of negativity or criticism and the floodgates open up and suddenly I'm the bad guy.

You got a thing going, I get that. You supplement your income with silver sales I get that. But let's try to be honest and cordial even against dissenting voices. Really, Ososis. I think you're the troll.

[hello]

Ultra TLDR:

Immolate and Rapid Fire builds got raped with a cheese grater dildo last year, dev says they want wizards to be using bolts for their primary attack instead of warding spells, bolts continue to be AIDS in the post-cap game, CHANNELing a bolt (the "buff" bolts got to increase the chance to hit a vital area at the cost of a 3 second hard RT) still usually doesn't hit a vital area, you usually just end up plinking away at the target, usually with a bunch of evade/block/parry happening, until it eventually dies from lack of HP, which is a boring as fuck way to kill things in a crit heavy game like this, dev's stance is basically that wizards are fine and if you're not having fun anymore post-nerf then you're doing it wrong because Estild ran some numbers in a spreadsheet.

Yeah, so I just took an hour and half and went through most of the gigantic thread on the wizard officials. I had no idea. I mean WOW. I was wondering why tgo popped in the F2P folders talking about some GM and wizards etc. did not know the full extent, my apologies.

Anyhow, TLDR, I don't feel that bad as a monk. Good luck to your class Methais/tgo etc, I won't mess with you guys anymore as courtesy... my deepest condolences.

[Fortybox]

This comment has gotten really tired. I am just as free to call him an asshat as he is to be one. If you think you are cracking some giant nugget of wisdom, you aren't. As I have said many times, I enjoy my exchanges with McG. I could be a shit bag troll myself, but I try to choose appropriate targets. I am like the Dexter of shit trolls.

Why is McG banned but not hello?

[Gelston]

Why is McG banned but not hello?

Because he'll just keep making bullshit accounts. It is easier to have one unbanned.

[SashaFierce]

The biggest obstacle we have with moderation on the forums is the offensive victim card. I'm actually in the process to address it.



I dunno, the biggest problem with the officials seems to be posters who only post to troll. The wizard folder would be much better without posters like KOMBAT (Peppwyn) and EICHERJ. I'm fairly confident EICHERJ is Macguyver based upon the comments made.

I don't think either of them actually play a wizard.

People may not like Fleurs, but she is 100% correct as far as post-cap (pure) wizard issues is concerned.

[SulienWaggles]

Some of us are not in favor of further nerfing enchanting into a matter of enough coin instead of effort.

[Fortybox]

Monks should be able to enchant so they could like...be useful.

[SashaFierce]

Some of us are not in favor of further nerfing enchanting into a matter of enough coin instead of effort.

The things that bother me about enchant are:

Limited to plain gear.
- It should work on all gear, with limits similar to 735.

Water lore required to bank mana.
- All wizards should be able to bank mana.
- It should require # of kills, instead of absorbed experience.
- Water lore should increase the mana bank, instead of control the amount of mana banked.

The amount of pours needed.
- I want a one pour, one cast system.
- I'd rather wait 60 days between enchants than tie up gear for months on end.


I know the enchant bots won't like this set up, but oh well. If you only login once every 2 weeks to cast enchant, it should take you longer than someone who actively plays their wizard.

[Wyrom]

I dunno, the biggest problem with the officials seems to be posters who only post to troll. The wizard folder would be much better without posters like KOMBAT (Peppwyn) and EICHERJ. I'm fairly confident EICHERJ is Macguyver based upon the comments made.

I don't think either of them actually play a wizard.

People may not like Fleurs, but she is 100% correct as far as post-cap (pure) wizard issues is concerned.

It's not just a single person. I don't think anyone is trolling on the officials. I think we have a lot of strong personalities and people butting heads. I can also confirm identities, but that's really not my place here.

[Whirlin]

Fleurs gets too nitpicky on the resolution rather than properly identifying the problem and evaluating alternatives. She backs her way from something she wants into what problems it fixes rather than following a logical argument of problem resolution.

In regards to enchanting, I'll cross-reference my recommendation from the officials:



So, I've been holding off on making any comments... but overall, I'm... whelmed... by these changes. I appreciate the design and the groundwork that was laid, but I think that there are a couple minor tweaks that can be made that would help improve wizards' experience.


First and foremost though, I think we should turn back for a moment and ask ourselves who the 'problem' people are in the enchanting market. MANY wizards have chimed in and said that they would prefer an ensorcell style hunting requirement to enchanting, and love the IDEA of the mana storage mechanic to help alleviate temper times, and are fairly vocal about the water lore implications of this. However, it is worth noting that water lore does make sense, but equally so does the argument of elemental mana control as a contributing skill.

But, lets ask ourselves another question... Are enchanting mules a problem? Personally, I would say yes. So any changes that we make, we need to consider the use of lores to provide exclusive benefits, or benefit those that aren't at the point in their training career where they need to be min-maxing skills for maximum efficiency.

So, what can we do to utilize new mechanics of mana storage, while creating an environment that caters to full time wizard-mains, and all of these other fun, dynamic things that have been developed for our benefit?


We have a few variables we can play with: Enchanting Difficulty, Temper Times, and Mana Storage Rate, Mana Storage Potency.

Enchanting Difficulty is a nebulous topic that I don't believe the player base has an adequate grasp on to make any statements about altering the formulas.

Temper times? Well... If we were to increase the temper times (WTF is he saying? No sempai!, WHY YOU NO LIT NO MORE FAM?) that would have a strong negative impact on enchanting mules. However, that would also have a detrimental impact on wizard mains.

Mana Storage Rates / Mana Storage potency: If we were to go with something like a universal 50-100% temper time increase, it would be ideal to increase the mana storage rate/potency to enable a higher rate of reduction for active wizards.

Under the old system, lets say a 7 day temper time. But, under the new system, 14 day temper time. If a wizard could store mana to reduce temper times by 50%, theoretically, that would net out. If a wizard could store mana to reduce temper times by 95%, if the wizard was super active, that would be a net benefit rewarding an active play style, while hurting the overall inactive enchanting mules.

This could be accomplished by ADDING Elemental Mana Control consideration to the Mana storing mechanic to enable ALL wizards to have this base benefit, while continuing to incentivize water lore training for either a multiplicative or other bonus on top of the EMC considerations.



I love the concept of the changes, I love the framework that was introduced, I love the new variables to work with, I am truly amazed that something like this was able to be added into an already established/old system. I think that the changes slightly missed the mark in remediation of some underlying enchanting mechanical concerns, but leveraging the framework established and adding some additional tweaks could quickly produce an outcome that would make the player base incredibly happy.


~Whirlin

[Peppwyn]

I dunno, the biggest problem with the officials seems to be posters who only post to troll. The wizard folder would be much better without posters like KOMBAT (Peppwyn) and EICHERJ. I'm fairly confident EICHERJ is Macguyver based upon the comments made.

I don't think either of them actually play a wizard.

People may not like Fleurs, but she is 100% correct as far as post-cap (pure) wizard issues is concerned.


You're retarded.

[SashaFierce]

You're retarded.

You add nothing to the discussion and your posts are trollish. If you don't like being called out for it, you could change your posting style or simply STFU.





So you want to be able to max out your killing power lore and your money making lore?


Dumb comment.




>There's been no justification to make the case that wizards should be able to enchant faster than they already do, and even if we did, I hope you realize the end result is that wizards end up getting paid less for the service since it's more readily available.

If enchanting was done only by wizards, and any item could be enchanted (however difficult), then there would be more to enchant and an improved player-to-player market for enchanting. Or, take enchant away from wizards completely and give them something that isn't so saturated in merchant/premium services. The mechanics and underlying concept for 735 are some of the best I've seen in the game, as they provide a significant secondary reward for active playing time. They should be deployed more broadly than to just one profession, though. Every profession, actually, should have something like this.


Dumber comment.



>>I don't like the idea of tying wizard offensive abilities to specific gear.

Isn't that what all square and most semis have to deal with?




I would like to see some gear requirement parity between classes.


Irrelevant addition, Off-topic.



>>I'm not looking for parity with semis or squares in any fashion.

Wizards aren't squares, so they shouldn't be compared to them. Wizard's aren't Clerics/Empaths, but they should be compared to them because they both cast spells.

If you're searching for parity between classes, I don't see why that should be limited to classes with similar play styles.




If you're channeling your bolt spells for the increased critical chance, you wouldn't need the stance defensive.


Clueless responses.



I'm sorry you've never experienced design changes in an online game before, but they happen quite frequently. I've played Gemstone for nearly 20 years at this point, and I have played a post-cap character of every profession so I certainly feel like I can participate in the discussion here. It's pretty simple in my eyes. All professions are not made equal. You should not expect to accomplish the same things as every other profession. As Estild pointed out, Wizards are given a lot of resources that other professions do not have and thus should not expect the resources of those other professions. If you aren't having fun with your Wizard, pick another class. Though, from the sound of it, you would likely find something 'wrong' there because it isn't whatever you imagine it should be.

>>nerfed into the ground

Hardly.


Trolling.

[Peppwyn]

I don't think you quite understand what the term "trolling" entails. Congrats on copy/pasting (even though one of those isn't mine). It was a valid conversation about the opinions of multiple people, one of which changes what she "meant to say" when her argument is proven invalid.

[Gelston]

Oh great, SashaFierce is in another dumb argument with someone else. i'm sure he'll start dumbass threads about the person now too.

[SashaFierce]

I don't think you quite understand what the term "trolling" entails. Congrats on copy/pasting (even though one of those isn't mine). It was a valid conversation about the opinions of multiple people, one of which changes what she "meant to say" when her argument is proven invalid.

You started posting 4 days ago in the wizard threads and you've done nothing but derail or try to devalue anything someone who actually plays a wizard posts about. Not sure why you care about what wizards are requesting. The only assumption I can make is that you enjoy trolling those threads.

[SashaFierce]

Oh great, SashaFierce is in another dumb argument with someone else. i'm sure he'll start dumbass threads about the person now too.

Don't get jealous, I'll start a thread about you too if you want.

[Gelston]

Don't get jealous, I'll start a thread about you too if you want.

I'd rather you just get sucked into your own asshole and vanish into oblivion.

[drauz]

Don't get jealous, I'll start a thread about you too if you want.

http://i.imgur.com/okp66FD.gif

[drauz]

I'd rather you just get sucked into your own asshole and vanish into oblivion.

http://i.imgur.com/K8oiYGv.gif

[Wyrom]

http://i.imgur.com/K8oiYGv.gif

That was a good laugh. Bravo!

[drauz]

That was a good laugh. Bravo!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWXCrItCF6ZgXrdozUS-Idw

Cyanide and Happiness channel

Their humor is right up my alley, definitely on the darker side a lot of the time.

[hello]

I am most definitely NOT this EICHERJ, Wyrom please confirm that I'm not so my rep doesn't get fucked over there. I've been nothing but a gentleman in the officials for good reason.

[Gelston]

I am most definitely NOT this EICHERJ, Wyrom please confirm that I'm not so my rep doesn't get fucked over there. I've been nothing but a gentleman in the officials for good reason.

Wait, if you aren't him... How would someone saying you are him fuck your rep over there? Because, you know, you aren't that guy...

[Orthin]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWXCrItCF6ZgXrdozUS-Idw

Cyanide and Happiness channel

Their humor is right up my alley, definitely on the darker side a lot of the time.

Also look up print work from the perry bible fellowship, super dark comic/funnies

[hello]

Wait, if you aren't him... How would someone saying you are him fuck your rep over there? Because, you know, you aren't that guy...

I'm almost certain Wyrom can now see/know IPs from both here and definitely over there. I don't want him to think this Eicherj guy or whoever is me and then make the connection from here that my actual official accounts were spouting crap/trolling by proxy through Eicherj. I'm an ass-kissing "yes man" over on the officials, would like to keep it that way.

[beldannon5]

I saw some wizard talk. I am not a wizard but the haste change screwed my hunting over. I used haste trinkets/bracelets/anklets all the time. Celerity blows and not in a good way. Thankfully I can berserk most things but still it sucks.

[hello]

I saw some wizard talk. I am not a wizard but the haste change screwed my hunting over. I used haste trinkets/bracelets/anklets all the time. Celerity blows and not in a good way. Thankfully I can berserk most things but still it sucks.

I understand why they did it and can probably come around to their reasoning eventually. But, it really fucked over a lot of "high-end" hunting methods. But, again it's understandable.

This part is pure speculation. I recall a few years back Solomon watching Duskruin Arena and exclaiming "Why are they(players) attacking so fast?!" Wyrom assured him that this was just part of the game BUT I think Solomon mentioned it to Whatley and/or brought it up again in some general meeting and at that moment the idea to nerf haste was born.

Anyway, Wizards got a ton of shit from Estild after the nerfs, so that probably made up for any losses hopefully.

BTW, Estild is the Wizard guru/GM?

[beldannon5]

I don't care about the wizards though,(I kid I kid) I want my haste for my warrior. :) I think the spell should be allowed to go in trinkets or anklets but only be able to be used so often or something. Things like ruby amulets and haste and some other spells should be allowed in some form. I know it will most likely never happen but why in the blue blazes does it stop at what (20 level spells)?

[hello]

I don't care about the wizards though,(I kid I kid) I want my haste for my warrior. :) I think the spell should be allowed to go in trinkets or anklets but only be able to be used so often or something. Things like ruby amulets and haste and some other spells should be allowed in some form. I know it will most likely never happen but why in the blue blazes does it stop at what (20 level spells)?

Like I said, someone in the up and up didn't like people were killing things so quickly.

Can Wizards keep up haste indefinitely? cast natively?

[SashaFierce]

I don't care about the wizards though,(I kid I kid) I want my haste for my warrior. :) I think the spell should be allowed to go in trinkets or anklets but only be able to be used so often or something. Things like ruby amulets and haste and some other spells should be allowed in some form. I know it will most likely never happen but why in the blue blazes does it stop at what (20 level spells)?

You can still get 506 in trinkets and anklets, and you can use it every 4 minutes.

[beldannon5]

celerity sucks bad though compared to haste. not worth it imo. :) thank you for the info, if I didn't know I would be thankful for that info. :) (totally serious)

[rolfard]

Use maximum stamina enhancers, ensorcelled weapons and qstrike

[beldannon5]

Yeah although qstrike takes stamina which hurts when i berserk. Stamnia enhancers i will have to find some

[Whirlin]

I'm almost certain Wyrom can now see/know IPs from both here and definitely over there. I don't want him to think this Eicherj guy or whoever is me and then make the connection from here that my actual official accounts were spouting crap/trolling by proxy through Eicherj. I'm an ass-kissing "yes man" over on the officials, would like to keep it that way.
I'll step in on this.

Wyrom has absolutely 0 capacity to access information regarding IPs of posters on PC.
He is aware that I have the capacity to do so, but he has never asked me to provide any information on any poster on PC. Wyrom is a koala in the rain when it comes to PC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqQL-1gZF8&t=313s

[Wyrom]

I am most definitely NOT this EICHERJ, Wyrom please confirm that I'm not so my rep doesn't get fucked over there. I've been nothing but a gentleman in the officials for good reason.

I can confirm to everyone that hello, MacGuyver, etc isn't someone's alt account being a troll (he trolls himself??). During his whole pot stirring microtrans rants, I was able to confirm some things. He really does play DR and GS. He really does buy into the SimuCoin store for F2P items. He really does go to events. Just never at the magnitude claimed.

[Wrathbringer]

I can confirm to everyone that hello, MacGuyver, etc isn't someone's alt account being a troll (he trolls himself??). During his whole pot stirring microtrans rants, I was able to confirm some things. He really does play DR and GS. He really does buy into the SimuCoin store for F2P items. He really does go to events. Just never at the magnitude claimed.

:lol:

[Astray]

I can confirm to everyone that hello, MacGuyver, etc isn't someone's alt account being a troll (he trolls himself??). During his whole pot stirring microtrans rants, I was able to confirm some things. He really does play DR and GS. He really does buy into the SimuCoin store for F2P items. He really does go to events. Just never at the magnitude claimed.

Whale status denied!

[rolfard]

I'll step in on this.

Wyrom has absolutely 0 capacity to access information regarding IPs of posters on PC.
He is aware that I have the capacity to do so, but he has never asked me to provide any information on any poster on PC. Wyrom is a koala in the rain when it comes to PC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqQL-1gZF8&t=313s

Lol. Koalas are awesome

[hello]

I can confirm to everyone that hello, MacGuyver, etc isn't someone's alt account being a troll (he trolls himself??). During his whole pot stirring microtrans rants, I was able to confirm some things. He really does play DR and GS. He really does buy into the SimuCoin store for F2P items. He really does go to events. Just never at the magnitude claimed.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wMY3LjQQMqo5W/giphy.gif

I'll tell you what Wyrom. I'll purchase exactly 20 dollars or so of F2P store items per month (on one of my accounts) to mimic a sub'd account for exactly 6 months IF you agree to give me a 20% discount on Simucoins (on top of anything else) for a day at the end of that 6 month period...and you know I'll be buying bigly, like thousand's of $$ bigly.

...and if you do one of your Simucoin promo's right after that day. Well...
https://media.tenor.co/images/b74627d4e8bcf1514a77b45ec7a6d8df/tenor.gif

[RYshinanigansAN]

Love the ZeFrank video reference, check out true facts about frogs for some truly horrifying frog facts also

[Methais]

I still hate simutronics for raping dark catalyst, it is still an underwhelming spell imo.

I mean it was like the GMs each took turns with it, then broke its legs, then they all took turns again.

Then eventually they got bored with that and moved onto doing the same with wizards.

[Astray]

Then eventually they got bored with that and moved onto doing the same with wizards.

Point to the spot on this doll where they didn't use a condom for the ensuing rape.

[Gelston]

DC would have sucked in many instances regardless when GS3 turned into 4. Not automatically gaining 3 mana a level would have made it suck to use on less magical characters and creatures.

[Ososis]

I can confirm to everyone that hello, MacGuyver, etc is a little lying bitch who doesn't spend near as much as claims.


I'll tell you what Wyrom. I'll purchase exactly 20 dollars or so of F2P store items per month (on one of my accounts) to mimic a sub'd account for exactly 6 months IF you agree to give me a 20% discount on Simucoins (on top of anything else) for a day at the end of that 6 month period...and you know I'll be buying bigly, like thousand's of $$ bigly.

You really need to get help. Mental help, reading help, lots of help.

[drauz]

DC would have sucked in many instances regardless when GS3 turned into 4. Not automatically gaining 3 mana a level would have made it suck to use on less magical characters and creatures.

The spell could have been improved. I can't think of any other capstone CS spell that only works well on 1/3 of the creature population.

[Methais]

It's not just a single person. I don't think anyone is trolling on the officials. I think we have a lot of strong personalities and people butting heads. I can also confirm identities, but that's really not my place here.

Sometimes I think Estild is trolling. Then I realize he's actually being serious with whatever he's posting to justify the current state of wizards, i.e. making an issue out of sorcerers having 8 total lores to train in when the argument is that 202 ranks isn't enough for wizards to cover 4 lores with, especially with a lot of our stuff having ridiculously high lore thresholds. And spirit/sorcerous/elemental lore are all trained separately anyway so it's a complete non-issue in the post cap game, which the whole thing is about post-cap killing power.

EICHERJ has done nothing but blatantly troll in every post he makes and has offered nothing while Aulis continues to be the worst moderator since Emeradan for both what he does pull and doesnt pull.

The rest are usually either sorcerers, plat players, war mages, or some random level 37 coming into say pure wizards are fine post-cap, and then there are the actual wizards who are trying to get the class improved from this fucked state they put us in for no real good reason other than just because (515 0 RT excepted, which I understand that nerf despite still hating it).


People may not like Fleurs, but she is 100% correct as far as post-cap (pure) wizard issues is concerned.

^ This. Half the people that have a problem with what she's been posting either don't play wizards, and/or just don't like Fleurs so they'll have a problem with everything she posts, despite most of what she says being correct, with numbers and data to back it up. And most of the other half just seem to enjoy tedium. And then Krakii is just Krakii.

[Gelston]

The spell could have been improved. I can't think of any other capstone CS spell that only works well on 1/3 of the creature population.

It could have, but it was just how the spell is. It uses the targets own mana against them. It was cool.

[drauz]

It could have, but it was just how the spell is. It uses the targets own mana against them. It was cool.

I agree it was cool, but simple changes could make it more effective against all creatures.

Take the mana returns away if needed. Have the spell infuse the target with mana and then destroy it for creatures without mana. As it stands you almost only get 1 shot with DC and then it doesn't hit nearly hard enough for the mana cost, the diminishing returns are crazy with it.

[Gelston]

I agree it was cool, but simple changes could make it more effective against all creatures.

Take the mana returns away if needed. Have the spell infuse the target with mana and then destroy it for creatures without mana. As it stands you almost only get 1 shot with DC and then it doesn't hit nearly hard enough for the mana cost, the diminishing returns are crazy with it.

I'd actually like them to make it more powerful vs targets that are inherently magical but more useless against squares. Some things are definitely meant to be a little more situational. There are other avenues to deal with squares. That being said, i think it should utterly destroy magical things, obviously depending on endroll.

[drauz]

I'd actually like them to make it more powerful vs targets that are inherently magical but more useless against squares. Some things are definitely meant to be a little more situational. There are other avenues to deal with squares. That being said, i think it should utterly destroy magical things, obviously depending on endroll.

Eh, we disagree then. I think the highest warding spell for a warding profession should be good vs all but great vs a particular kind.

[Gelston]

Eh, we disagree then. I think the highest warding spell for a warding profession should be good vs all but great vs a particular kind.

Never said I wasn't in favor of them moving it down!

[Methais]

Eh, we disagree then. I think the highest warding spell for a warding profession should be good vs all but great vs a particular kind.

^ Same reason why I think Immolate should have different elemental variations.

Old school DC was the most epic shit. Like this clip from my first Rift hunt, which naturally I got pwned on...

>Kryblue gestures at a csetairi.
CS: +666 - TD: +489 + CvA: +25 + d100: +74 == +276
Warding failed!
A csetairi is suddenly engulfed in flames of pure essence!
... and hits for 132 points of damage!
... 55 points of damage!
Right arm shattered by an extremely well placed hit!
The csetairi is stunned!
... 55 points of damage!
Icy blast freezes the csetairi's right hand!
... 45 points of damage!
Heavy shock to chest illuminates ribcage. Cool!
... 45 points of damage!
Visible wisps of electricity shoot up left arm. Youch!
... 55 points of damage!
Left arm fractured by an icy blast!
... 50 points of damage!
... 50 points of damage!
Nasty burns to right arm. Gonna need lots of butter.
The csetairi shrieks as she falls to the ground and cradles her mangled right arm!
... 50 points of damage!
... 55 points of damage!
Flames burn hole in chest exposing ribs!
... 45 points of damage!
Burst of flames char chest a crispy black.
... 45 points of damage!
Burst of flames to left eye incinerates eyelid. Gruesome.
... 55 points of damage!
Electric blast goes right to the heart! Fibrillation can be fun.
The csetairi writhes in agony and dies.
The opalescent aura fades from around a csetairi.
The brilliant aura fades away from a csetairi.
The wall of force disappears from around a csetairi.
A csetairi appears less confident.
A dark shadow passes away from a csetairi.


592 total damage. Critters had much more HP back then of course.



Kryblue gestures at a raving lunatic.
CS: +666 - TD: +473 + CvA: +25 + d100: +53 == +271
Warding failed!
A raving lunatic is suddenly engulfed in flames of pure essence!
... and hits for 110 points of damage!
... 15 points of damage!
Blast of cold air to left knee causes a polar knee cap!
The raving lunatic collapses to the ground in obvious pain, grasping her mangled left leg.
... 10 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right hand fries palm. Ouch!
... 20 points of damage!
Massive strike of icy shards shatters the raving lunatic's skull!
... 10 points of damage!
Near miss! Cool blast to the lower back and the raving lunatic staggers.
... 15 points of damage!
Heavy shock to right leg. Gonna limp for awhile.
... 15 points of damage!
Nasty burns to abdomen, a raving lunatic shrieks in pain!
... 20 points of damage!
Solid blast of ice square to the chest rocks the raving lunatic back on its heels!
... 20 points of damage!
Slivers of ice slice the raving lunatic's throat into ribbons of flesh and blood!
... 10 points of damage!
The raving lunatic's right arm trembles with the cold.
... 10 points of damage!
Burst of flames to right arm toasts skin to elbows.
... 10 points of damage!
The raving lunatic failed to sidestep the chilly blast. Bruised ribs anyone?
... 50 points of damage!
Frigid blast renders the raving lunatic's right hand useless - missing even!
The raving lunatic shrieks as she cradles her mangled right hand!

[drauz]

^ Same reason why I think Immolate should have different elemental variations.

Old school DC was the most epic shit. Like this clip from my first Rift hunt, which naturally I got pwned on...

Sorcerer's were also hard as fuck to level but once you did they were God's perfect killing machine.

[drauz]

^ Same reason why I think Immolate should have different elemental variations.

Old school DC was the most epic shit. Like this clip from my first Rift hunt, which naturally I got pwned on...

I've wondered if training in elemental lores instead of gaining a crit rank up if they could give you extra damage cycles for that element. I wonder if the GMs would go for that.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/bKnEnd65zqxfq/giphy.gif

[Methais]

I've wondered if training in elemental lores instead of gaining a crit rank up if they could give you extra damage cycles for that element. I wonder if the GMs would go for that.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/bKnEnd65zqxfq/giphy.gif

Sounds like a great idea. I'm sure they'll hate it.

[BigWorm]

Color me shocked to hear that methais is still butthurt about the 519 change. Let it go dude. I agree that the spell in its current state is pretty crap, but I also think it is unreasonable to demand that they make it on par with other pure's CS spells when Wizards have by far the best bolt spells and second best at maneuver attack spells. My postcap wizard has no problem killing things and overall I still feel like wizards are the second strongest hunters after sorcerers, not to mention that they are miles ahead of all the other classes for utility.

[drauz]

Color me shocked to hear that methais is still butthurt about the 519 change. Let it go dude. I agree that the spell in its current state is pretty crap, but I also think it is unreasonable to demand that they make it on par with other pure's CS spells when Wizards have by far the best bolt spells and second best at maneuver attack spells. My postcap wizard has no problem killing things and overall I still feel like wizards are the second strongest hunters after sorcerers, not to mention that they are miles ahead of all the other classes for utility.

Estlid won. Methais won the popular vote but Estlid won the GM college.

[SashaFierce]

I would give up every bolt spell for the old 519.

[drauz]

I would give up every bolt spell for the old 519.

I would give up all your bolt spells for sorcerer's to have it back too.