Don't know much about Duskruin

[cwolff]

This event looks good but I don't know much about it. What I'm looking at is items that have been for sale and their bloodscrip prices and it brings up some questions.

1) How do you get bloodscrip? Digging, maybe fighting in the arena (this one has the pit fighting thing right?), direct from simu with simucoin purchase?

2) I was excited to see that I can get my Voln armor up to tier 4, but dismayed by the price. It looks like this service could be 135,000 scrip. If I'm looking at this correctly that is something like $1200.00 real world dollars? I am missing something? Is that about correct?

3) Preparing for duskruin should I be buying silvers or saving cash to buy bloodscrip?

Any other general tips or advice is appreciated.

[Massive Troll King]

This event looks good but I don't know much about it. What I'm looking at is items that have been for sale and their bloodscrip prices and it brings up some questions.

1) How do you get bloodscrip? Digging, maybe fighting in the arena (this one has the pit fighting thing right?), direct from simu with simucoin purchase?

2) I was excited to see that I can get my Voln armor up to tier 4, but dismayed by the price. It looks like this service could be 135,000 scrip. If I'm looking at this correctly that is something like $1200.00 real world dollars? I am missing something? Is that about correct?

3) Preparing for duskruin should I be buying silvers or saving cash to buy bloodscrip?

Any other general tips or advice is appreciated.

It's a lot of fun, short of EG, the one event I really look forward to. If you are powerful and can kill things fast, the arena will yield a bit more BS and have perhaps slughtly better incidental loot. The incidental and jackpot loots have been getting worse in quality compared to subsequent DRs, so beware about that. Otherwise, it should be a blast like always.

[beldannon5]

Bloodscrip is found through the arena and in the sewers (digging is a different part of duskruin) you can get up to 250bs per arena fight or around 100 per sewer. In the sewer you can also get neat items and such, You get one item with the bs at the arena. People will be buying simucoins and selling the books. Just depends if you want to use your silvers or cash to buy the bs or the simucons.

[time4fun]

This event looks good but I don't know much about it. What I'm looking at is items that have been for sale and their bloodscrip prices and it brings up some questions.

1) How do you get bloodscrip? Digging, maybe fighting in the arena (this one has the pit fighting thing right?), direct from simu with simucoin purchase?

2) I was excited to see that I can get my Voln armor up to tier 4, but dismayed by the price. It looks like this service could be 135,000 scrip. If I'm looking at this correctly that is something like $1200.00 real world dollars? I am missing something? Is that about correct?

3) Preparing for duskruin should I be buying silvers or saving cash to buy bloodscrip?

Any other general tips or advice is appreciated.

Where did you find prices for the next run?

[cwolff]

I didn't. I was looking at the wiki on past runs.

Am I correct in my rough estimation of exchange rate? 100k bs is about $1000.00?

[Whirlin]

Beldannon hit most of the points. Arena is a gauntlet of 25 critters. Every 5 critters is a 'boss', and are typically immune to normal crit deaths. Some classes/builds are better suited for the Arena than others. Arena also grants XP up to Saturated, and bloodscrip/random treasure hopper drop for winning.

You can also spectate people the arena, and cheer at them and such... It's fun.

A benchmark on bloodscrip's market rate is around 1m silvers for 1k bloodscrip (1k:1), with some substantial variation throughout the duration of the event. Orb entries are approximately 90k-100k per entry into either the sewers or arena. So You can break even on the sewers, and you can walk away with a profit if you're able to sweep the Arena consistently.

There are usually a fairly large quantity of people selling entries packets for silvers, so look on lnet for a 50-entry, which can typically run you from 4.5-5m. Arena slips and sewer token can be used interchangeably for entry into either location

[Taernath]

BS prices are super high due to inflation.

The items from the sewers are mostly trash but sometimes you luck out. If they're doing another uber item puzzle game beware of that because the last few times there were only a couple keystones released.

[Maerit]

Something really important to inform the new players interested in market value.

One of the most valued "jackpot" reward from the Sewers is the "Reticulated Golvern Segment". This item can be worth 20-35m depending on the number that are found. I recommend you not sell immediately, unless you need the cash immediately. DR runs tend to push the value of this item a bit lower due to the large number of players in the sewers. Please don't sell this for 1m silvers because you will create too much drama, and the PC will explode.

Additionally, there is a special bloodrune (yet to be announced), which is generally in the "hopper" of the sewers. This special bloodrune can sell for between 25m and 50m depending on what it does and how many are located.

The most valued "jackpot" reward from the Arena is the "Four-ringed Metal Pendant" (right?). This item is generally worth between 15m-20m. Again, there will be a lot of people running the arena, so there will probably be a good number found.

Here is a link to what all of these items, when combined, creates - Moon-Filled pendant (https://gswiki.play.net/Moon-filled_pendant).

Wyrom also alluded to a new customization option of the pendants that would be available in the "next" DR. No word on what that will be yet, but it could also produce more value from the random prizes depending on how it's offered.

[Maerit]

Aside from the glamour pendants mentioned, many items you find in the sewers and as rewards for the arena are enhancive. These can be valuable if you get the right combination of enhancives. There have also been a decent number of enchanted claidhmores found during the arena (I believe the best so far was a Vaalorn (+18) Claidhmore). Also, limited release items for bloodscrip can prove to be valuable investments.

[Massive Troll King]

Interesting, I thought they ceased high enchant claidhmore drops in the sewers after the first DR?

[Maerit]

Interesting, I thought they ceased high enchant claidhmore drops in the sewers after the first DR?

TBH - not sure. I know that a vaalorn claid was pulled from DR once. I can't say if it was the first one, or later because I've been to all the DRs and after you do a few thousand arena battles they all blend together...

[bunnymustdie]

My main character is a lvl 40 empath that uses 2 hand weapons. Can I do the arena efficiently or should I stick to the sewers? Come to think of it can I manage the arena at all?

[Viekn]

My main character is a lvl 40 empath that uses 2 hand weapons. Can I do the arena efficiently or should I stick to the sewers? Come to think of it can I manage the arena at all?

Depends on what you mean by manage. If you mean you can pretty much survive the fights for the most part and earn some bloodscrip, sure. If you mean can you clear all the critters from the arena in the time allotted and earn the max bloodscrip per run, then not very likely. Killing all critters in the time you're given and earning the max bloodscrip per run is sort of geared toward higher level players. But if you don't mind shelling out a bit of money for dueling slips, it's definitely worth a shot. I didn't participate in the first 3-4 Duskruins and finally did and wished I had at least given it a shot before. I think the more you do it, you get a feel for how to maximize your results. For me, I had a pure 38 level wizard and I couldn't finish because I would always run out of mana. You being a thw empath, it'll probably take too long to kill each critter for you to get through them all.

[Maerit]

My main character is a lvl 40 empath that uses 2 hand weapons. Can I do the arena efficiently or should I stick to the sewers? Come to think of it can I manage the arena at all?

Due to the high value output of the Arena for being efficient, it is highly recommended to fixskills into an "arena build" for your profession. Pure Empaths are pretty good in the arena (I hear) because they have pretty powerful spells that are effective.

The arena is primarily 1) Speed and 2) Performing the mechanics that are usually updated every DR (basically watching each opponent and making an appropriate action based on the response).

A better Empath than myself can tell you what spells and setup works well in the Arena, but I would debate the power of a THW Empath. Pure casting is the most effective way to earn BS in the Arena. Being able to properly manage your resources (mana), and kill things in ~15 seconds per target (on average) will guaranty a large bloodscrip reward. If you can successfully slay your target in 15 seconds or less with THW as an Empath, then you'll do fine - but I fear this style of combat will suffer greatly against the champions and various creature types (like Golems) because of the crit and stun immunity along with massive health pools.

[bunnymustdie]

Ok thanks for the input guys. I guess I'll try to go through the arena once or twice for fun, but stick with the sewers for the bs.

[Wyrom]

Just want to leave a note here and state that we have spent a lot of time updating and changing out inventory. We retired a lot of things that didn't sell.

[Allereli]

We retired a lot of things that didn't sell.

someone will request one of those things before the end of the month

[Wyrom]

someone will request one of those things before the end of the month

Too late, event planning and work takes months. Some things have been available for multiple runs with zero sales.

[macgyver]

Too late, event planning and work takes months. Some things have been available for multiple runs with zero sales.

Honestly, the only reason why I even do DR is for the possible jackpot pulls (gambler's disease). I can care less about the craptastically expensive BS grind, since if I wanted BS I would just buy it with silvers/tokens and save a shit load of time.

[LivderaDeralleur]

I pulled a mithglin claid (+15) as a prize from the arena, not the sewers. Must have been at least the 2nd Duskruin, but can't recall which exactly.

I do pretty well in the Arena with my THW Berserking Warrior. I try to save my stamina for Berserking the champions (or specific critter types that gen.) I think I've cleared all the creatures once or twice and the character is only L45 (lower level last time) with a 6x perfect maul.

I had also tried with my Sniper Ranger, but just could not do as well - she relies a lot on 1-shot eye kills, which worked well once you get to the un-crittable champions. Plinking away with arrows at the champions is not fun.

I think the best option for those new to Duskruin is to try the Arena at least once and see how you like it. No harm in doing so, either, as even if you bought the dueling slip booklets, the slips will work in the Sewers if it turns out you don't like the Arena.

I usually do the Sewers a bit, too, as well as the Arena. But I may end up doing mostly Arena this time due to trying to get some more Bloodscript for the Parasitic weapons and the art easel that were teased.

Also - going through 50 arena entries takes a lot longer than 50 Sewer entries, as a rule, so you may end up blowing through the slips/tokens faster in the Sewers. Arena can keep you entertained a bit longer.

[neimanz1]

Just want to leave a note here and state that we have spent a lot of time updating and changing out inventory. We retired a lot of things that didn't sell.

I need a list to see if i need to book some chinese bloodscrip farmers in advance!

[beldannon5]

I posted on the forums, but a list, partial list, or at least set in stone dates would be great. :)

I am my own chinese bloodscrip farmer

[Maerit]

Honestly, the only reason why I even do DR is for the possible jackpot pulls (gambler's disease). I can care less about the craptastically expensive BS grind, since if I wanted BS I would just buy it with silvers/tokens and save a shit load of time.

It all depends on how efficient / capable you are in returning a 250BS reward from the arena. Once you achieve a certain level of efficiency, and have the time to invest, the cost for the "expensive" BS actually pays out handsomely. I do not buy my tokens / slips from the simucoin store. Other players are interested in my silvers, so I buy them directly from players - then convert my time and energy into silvers profit. DR has been very rewarding to those players who have time to spend at the event, and offers very interesting / unique opportunities to obtain very high-end services!

[Ososis]

Bloodscrip price is pretty volatile in my experience. Last round you could sell BS for 1k super easy before the high end store opened, then shortly after that it started working its way down slowly as the end approached and people are trying to convert bs to silver. At the end of DR you can get at best 750, and the big bank players put a "buying ANY AND ALL bs for ~666" floor on the whole matter (they then save em to buy something awesome next DR, or sell off large blocks at 1.1-1.2k next round.)

So your number on 135k BS could be 135m, that's pretty much the highest end. If your willing to be patient and work the market, and spend the effort, you can bring that price down be 50% or higher. Worth noting is the arena has a minimum of 100bs, and your efforts in the arena grow that. 250 is max for a winning run, but the BS is not completly linear. My friends who are bad at the arena usually get about 150-200 per run.

So this scenario is a bit golden, but just to run numbers on a tactic.

You spend 20m on 4 books, and earn average of 200bs per run. You sell your first 20k quick 1k, your last 20k you only make 800, netting you 36m. You buy up cheap BS at 700, getting you 52k BS. Hold that till next run and sell it for 1.2k and 61m silvers, do the same 4 book deal as last time to net 36k BS, take your 61m silvers and buy bs at 700 again for 88k bs. Now you are at 124k BS for 40m

Just grinding your own BS at 200 per you could get 125k with 13 books, or 65m about. At 250bs you could get it in 10 books, or 50m.

[cwolff]

Good tips. Hopefully I'm not working that week and get a chance to invest time and cash into this thing.

[Wyrom]

Duskruin sees a very drastic supply/demand curve in the 10 days it's open. It's interesting to watch from this side of the screen.

[Xred]

Any advice for sorcerers?

[Ltlprprincess]

717, if that fails, 720

[Aluvius]

I need a list to see if i need to book some chinese bloodscrip farmers in advance!

The firm I tried to use refused ... they said it was too much grind. ;)

[chalion]

Something really important to inform the new players interested in market value.

One of the most valued "jackpot" reward from the Sewers is the "Reticulated Golvern Segment". This item can be worth 20-35m depending on the number that are found. I recommend you not sell immediately, unless you need the cash immediately. DR runs tend to push the value of this item a bit lower due to the large number of players in the sewers. Please don't sell this for 1m silvers because you will create too much drama, and the PC will explode.

Additionally, there is a special bloodrune (yet to be announced), which is generally in the "hopper" of the sewers. This special bloodrune can sell for between 25m and 50m depending on what it does and how many are located.

The most valued "jackpot" reward from the Arena is the "Four-ringed Metal Pendant" (right?). This item is generally worth between 15m-20m. Again, there will be a lot of people running the arena, so there will probably be a good number found.

Here is a link to what all of these items, when combined, creates - Moon-Filled pendant (https://gswiki.play.net/Moon-filled_pendant).

Wyrom also alluded to a new customization option of the pendants that would be available in the "next" DR. No word on what that will be yet, but it could also produce more value from the random prizes depending on how it's offered.

This is good info, but the prices are a bit inflated. Pendants have crashed dramatically because there are so many of them. Completed, a fair price is 15-25 million, depending on the material. Highlight those two strings though as they are a great return if you are lucky to find one.

Also, I hope books are fixed and offered again!

[beldannon5]

Prices will also depend on what neat stuff they throw out in the shops this time.

[Massive Troll King]

Personally, I feel that they should do something other than the pendants, it's getting too common place and the pizzazz factor has thoroughly been receded by now.

[Wyrom]

Personally, I feel that they should do something other than the pendants, it's getting too common place and the pizzazz factor has thoroughly been receded by now.

There are many layers to the pendants. And there aren't many out there.

[drauz]

There are many layers to the pendants. And there aren't many out there.

When you say layers, do you mean pieces that need to be collected or something that players haven't figured out they can do yet?

[chalion]

You have a random metal at creation, and numerous bloodstones to put inside it now, including two mythical that change you into a monster (yeti and minotaur) I'd guess there will be something else added this run, maybe more mini altering effects and a new mythical rare monster.
Waiting on enhancive benefits to the pendant.

[Maerit]

Any advice for sorcerers?

Depends on your setup. If you are 2x in spell aiming or otherwise. What level you are. Sorcerers will have mana issues pre-60ish.

There are two methods - but both suggest you stack some enhancives. If you're 2x in spell aim, get +20-40 spell aim bonus and just implode everything except for golems (immune to implode). You'll kill most things in 1 cast, and a few things in 2 casts.

If you're lacking in spell aiming, or in spell aim enhancives, stack WIS/AUR enhancives and bolster your CS as much as possible (buy 20 rub quartz orbs or infuse a 1711 scroll). Then you'll use 717, followed by 720 (if 2x in spell aim) or 711 (if not 2x in spell aim). 90% of the time they die from either 717 instantly, or the 720 follow-up. 717 and 720 don't work on golems, so you should 711 those to death.

With either tactic I recommend COL and boost your AUR stat so you have 11 spirit, so you can wrack twice.

[Wyrom]

When you say layers, do you mean pieces that need to be collected or something that players haven't figured out they can do yet?


You have a random metal at creation, and numerous bloodstones to put inside it now, including two mythical that change you into a monster (yeti and minotaur) I'd guess there will be something else added this run, maybe more mini altering effects and a new mythical rare monster.
Waiting on enhancive benefits to the pendant.

Chalion said a lot of it, but the bloodrunes offer a lot of customization to them. And we keep adding more.

As for adding enhancives, I don't think we'll go that route, but we have discussed other "out of the box" things that would give some mechanical edge.

[Maerit]

Chalion said a lot of it, but the bloodrunes offer a lot of customization to them. And we keep adding more.

As for adding enhancives, I don't think we'll go that route, but we have discussed other "out of the box" things that would give some mechanical edge.

The most recent ask was to customize the aura as some auras are very undesirable.

[Orthin]

Will there be a preview of all the new wares prior to the event does anyone know or will it all be a taste test thing?

[Roblar]

It is free to go, most shops have signs now.

[Orthin]

[QUOTE=Roblar;1935722]It is free to go, most shops have signs now.[/QUOTE

I need me some teasers though!

[chalion]

The two big teasers so far were parasite weapon holding gloves and art easels. It would be nice to have the exact dates officially announced (Unless I missed it we are still working under the 21-30th comment on these forums) and maybe some hints at what the high-end scrip shop has, but I believe that was previously only said the day before or the day of it opening so I'm not too concerned about that.
Duskruin hasn't been a vehicle for new scripts so much as evolving into a way to improve already amazing items (high-end scrip shop) or get some mechanically sound mid and entry level high-end items for blood script($$). I think previously only mechanical crossbows and nerve staves were introduced during duskruin? Aside from the event specific pendant.

[beldannon5]

Skelen mentioned we would know as soon as they knew. How do you not know a couple weeks in advance? I mean i understand complications. My schedule for that week comes out in 5 days. I requested a number of days off as i had pto. I would be highly annoyed if its not those days. Just saying

[Wrathbringer]

Skelen mentioned we would know as soon as they knew. How do you not know a couple weeks in advance? I mean i understand complications. My schedule for that week comes out in 5 days. I requested a number of days off as i had pto. I would be highly annoyed if its not those days. Just saying

The Wyrom Regime has been notoriously last minute for at least the last three years. I don't even expect dates for things until the week of anymore.

[LivderaDeralleur]

I'm really hoping it's going to be the tentative week they had put forth initially, as that's the only week in April I can really do. I am leaving for a week-long vacation on April 29th, as it is, and won't have any internet access for the first week of May.

Also - Easter is on the weekend of April 15th/16th. Not sure whether they'd risk putting it on a holiday weekend? Dunno.

That leaves the original week they tentatively suggested - the last full week of April.

[beldannon5]

Just hoping it doesnt go to may

[LivderaDeralleur]

Just hoping it doesnt go to may



Don't even say that! Cause if it goes to May, it'll most likely be the first week of May that I am out of town. Then there'd be sadness.

Even with the last week of April I'll have to miss out on a couple days, but at least I'd have a weekend to accumulate some Bloodscript.