Should macgyver be banned from Player's Corner forums

[Viekn]

I felt it was time to ask the question so there could be a record of it and give people a way to record their opinion that could be tracked instead of just a random post about it.

By the way, I chose not to make it a public vote. I'd rather people be able to vote without worrying about rep or negative comments from others. If you'd like, you can post the way you voted. I will do the same.

[Gelston]

I'm against all moderation, so no.

[Wrathbringer]

Yes. At this point, every new pc account is suspect and is receiving red rep and insults. We don't want that for legitimately new folks. Ban MacGyver et al.

[Viekn]

I voted yes and am posting so because I at least wanted mine to be public.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm against all moderation, so no.

That's just stupid.

[Androidpk]

A ban wouldn't do anything considering how easy it is to get around one.

[Gelston]

A ban wouldn't do anything considering how easy it is to get around one.

Never worked against Inspire.

[Wrathbringer]

A ban wouldn't do anything considering how easy it is to get around one.

Let's find out.

[0zymandius]

A ban wouldn't do anything considering how easy it is to get around one.

:yeahthat:

I doubt Whirlin really wants to chase down VPN-screened ISP addresses and random gmail accounts looking for someone who appears to have the level of free time and dedication to trolling that Macgyver has shown.

[Wrathbringer]

:yeahthat:

I doubt Whirlin really wants to chase down VPN-screened ISP addresses and random gmail accounts looking for someone who appears to have the level of free time and dedication to trolling that Macgyver has shown.

That's his job. He wanted it.

[Gelston]

I'm not quite sure what powers a supermod has. Can they ban or just close/delete threads?

[Neovik1]

Yes. At this point, every new pc account is suspect and is receiving red rep and insults. We don't want that for legitimately new folks. Ban MacGyver et al.

I agree with Sharts. I don't even understand what MacGyver is trying to gain from what he is doing? It's malicious to the point where it can have a negative impact towards new members. I responded to a thread last week thinking it was a new person and thought I was being helpful... then found out I was punked by Macgyver. I'm a little reluctant to waste my time responding to new players... which is a bad thing all around. What he is doing far exceeds a moderation issue.

[Ltlprprincess]

I'm going to have to agree with the Great Shartinator, too.

[Whirlin]

I'm not quite sure what powers a supermod has. Can they ban or just close/delete threads?
/swing banhammer It appears that I can... after successfully applying a temporary ban on my alt account of Whirlin'sBow (super useful for testing)

If people want me to go for it, I will... but I know there are strong feelings against moderation, so the vote is appreciated.

[Androidpk]

It's malicious to the point where it can have a negative impact towards new members. I responded to a thread last week thinking it was a new person and thought I was being helpful... then found out I was punked by Macgyver. I'm a little reluctant to waste my time responding to new players... which is a bad thing all around. What he is doing far exceeds a moderation issue.

This is a very good point.

[Gelston]

/swing banhammer It appears that I can... after successfully applying a temporary ban on my alt account of Whirlin'sBow (super useful for testing)

If people want me to go for it, I will... but I know there are strong feelings against moderation, so the vote is appreciated.

He is just going to keep making new alts, like he does now. Inspire and IW both used to do that and Anticor could barely keep up. Hell, Macgyver isn't even banned and he does it. I don't think anything would change other than him turning up his account creation. Only way to fight that is to require approvals, but I don't know if that is really the right path.

[MacGuyver]

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[Mogonis]

but I know there are strong feelings against moderation, so the vote is appreciated.

I'd say the feelings for having a healthy forum environment are stronger. People like macgyver add nothing of value, and are only detrimental to the player base and community.

[Androidpk]

I'd say the feelings for having a healthy forum environment are stronger. People like macgyver add nothing of value, and are only detrimental to the player base and community.

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[Whirlin]

He is just going to keep making new alts, like he does now. Inspire and IW both used to do that and Anticor could barely keep up. Hell, Macgyver isn't even banned and he does it. I don't think anything would change other than him turning up his account creation. Only way to fight that is to require approvals, but I don't know if that is really the right path.
Understood, but If the community feels like taking the stance of it being unacceptable, I'll also be more willing to provide more information on potential threads that he could be linked to... like the previous one with "Merlin" as the acct name.

[Fallen]

Delete threads whenever they start heading down the neo-nazi hate speech route with as little fanfare as possible. Attention, even in the form of bans, will only make things worse. Just stop responding to his threads. If you accidentally respond to an alt, once you realize, delete your post and move on.

[Back]

Delete threads whenever they start heading down the neo-nazi hate speech route with as little fanfare as possible. Attention, even in the form of bans, will only make things worse. Just stop responding to his threads. If you accidentally respond to an alt, once you realize, delete your post and move on.

Shut down the weird sexual content threads too.

[macgyver]

Understood, but If the community feels like taking the stance of it being unacceptable, I'll also be more willing to provide more information on potential threads that he could be linked to... like the previous one with "Merlin" as the acct name.

Do it Whirlin, ban me.

Use your Mod powers and strike me down with all your hate!

http://cdn.yourepeat.com/media/gif/000/471/621/a245b97e33eb75745371557cd93dcf6c.gif

[Neovik1]

Do it Whirlin, ban me.

Use your Mod powers and strike me down with all your hate!

http://cdn.yourepeat.com/media/gif/000/471/621/a245b97e33eb75745371557cd93dcf6c.gif

What is the point of what you are trying to accomplish? Why waste your time on this pointless nonsense?

[MacGuyver]

Do it Whirlin. These hateful sick people. You see Whirlin and co. the question you need to be asking is why? Why, at this point, with all the time and effort spent would a person troll this specific site almost pathologically. What grave injustice did he suffer? Oh I don't know? Maybe as benign as someone snubbed him or perhaps it's much deeper like someone scammed him out of 800 million silvers deeper... think about it, think FAR into the past, WHY?

[Androidpk]

Shut down the weird sexual content threads too.

We have weird sexual content threads???

[Parkbandit]

Is it against policy to have more than one account? If so, then there are plenty of people here that need to be banned.

Is it against policy to troll? If so, then there are plenty of people here that need to be banned.

Are we really going to start up polls and use a majority of people to vote yes to start getting rid of people?

THIS is not what requires moderation. He's an asshat, plain and simple.. but he's not breaking any forum rules.

Here's an idea: Stop responding to his threads about retarded things and you will deprive him of what he craves so badly: Attention.

And this is why I didn't vote for Whirlin. He won't stand up and say "Guys, that's not my job".. he's all like "OMG I can ban him!? FUN!!"

[Wrathbringer]

Is it against policy to have more than one account? If so, then there are plenty of people here that need to be banned.

Is it against policy to troll? If so, then there are plenty of people here that need to be banned.

Are we really going to start up polls and use a majority of people to vote yes to start getting rid of people?

THIS is not what requires moderation. He's an asshat, plain and simple.. but he's not breaking any forum rules.

Here's an idea: Stop responding to his threads about retarded things and you will deprive him of what he craves so badly: Attention.

And this is why I didn't vote for Whirlin. He won't stand up and say "Guys, that's not my job".. he's all like "OMG I can ban him!? FUN!!"

Says someone who no longer plays and has zero vested interest in the welfare of the game.

[Parkbandit]

Says someone who no longer plays and has zero vested interest in the welfare of the game.


"ZOMG WE SHOULD BAN ALL PEOPLE WHO DON'T PLAY THE GAME ANYMORE!!! PUT UP A POLL!! MAJORITY RULEZ!"

[Neveragain]

Delete threads whenever they start heading down the neo-nazi hate speech route with as little fanfare as possible. Attention, even in the form of bans, will only make things worse. Just stop responding to his threads. If you accidentally respond to an alt, once you realize, delete your post and move on.

Does the thread deleting include hate speech in any post that puts into a negative light any race, religion, sex and the making of false accusations in attempts at character assassinations?

This shit is about to get to be a whole lot of fun.

[Fallen]

Does the thread deleting include hate speech in any post that puts into a negative light any race, religion, sex and the making of false accusations in attempts at character assassinations?

This shit is about to get to be a whole lot of fun.

I'm talking about the thread that was literally neo-nazi propaganda links created by a troll account. If you're making that your hill to die on, so be it.

[Maerit]

Let me ask the community a question. Is it a waste of time to answer questions that appear to be legitimate "new player" inquiries, even if they were asked by macguyver? Someone else, new or otherwise, may find that post helpful regardless of the intent behind the inquiry.

The constant poll / vote threads created by macguyver are easy to spot, but when it's a question that could be legitimately from a new player and you are "trolled" into answering it as a helpful member of the community - how is that a bad thing? I could care less who posts the question.

As long as we treat every "junior member" account as a macguyver alt, then the troll is going to continue to detriment the community. I say keep it real, and focus on banning people that are legitimately trying to scam the community (which happens most frequently in the merchant threads).

[Parkbandit]

I'm talking about the thread that was literally neo-nazi propaganda links created by a troll account. If you're making that your hill to die on, so be it.

If I call someone gay.. is that going to be against policy again? Do I have to make up a name like "Beef Wellington" to get past stupid policies?

This is the slippery slope you started down.

[Viekn]

Is it a waste of time to answer questions that appear to be legitimate "new player" inquiries, even if they were asked by macguyver?

Has macgyver asked one of these that could be beneficial to another new player?

[Wrathbringer]

If I call someone gay.. is that going to be against policy again? Do I have to make up a name like "Beef Wellington" to get past stupid policies?

This is the slippery slope you started down.

Go back to the politics folder where your hyperbole and straw man arguments are welcomed.

[Richaard]

Has macgyver asked one of these that could be beneficial to another new player?

Surprisingly, yes. Not going to dig them out, but some started out as questions a noob might have.... people assumed it was the troll. Then the thread turned ugly on all sides.

Edit: Even macgyver has asked noob questions from that account name. They could be legit questions down the road for someone even though at the time he was just asking cause he wanted the attention.

[Fallen]

If I call someone gay.. is that going to be against policy again? Do I have to make up a name like "Beef Wellington" to get past stupid policies?

This is the slippery slope you started down.

It really isn't. If it is a brand new poster making a thread about neo-nazi propaganda or other such clearly trolling behavior, delete the thread.

[Viekn]

Surprisingly, yes. Not going to dig them out, but some started out as questions a noob might have.... people assumed it was the troll. Then the thread turned ugly on all sides.

Edit: Even macgyver has asked noob questions from that account name. They could be legit questions down the road for someone even though at the time he was just asking cause he wanted the attention.

I was thinking more along the lines of "How do I get started using the adventure guild?". While he's started some threads that seemed to be from a legitimate noob, they all seemed to be more along the lines of "which class is best", "what weapon combo is best", etc. etc. I don't think any of those really help an actual new player, because the answer to those questions is always going to be 90% subjective, no matter what responses people give.

[Neveragain]

I'm talking about the thread that was literally neo-nazi propaganda links created by a troll account. If you're making that your hill to die on, so be it.

Ok so he posted stupid shit. I doubt he changed any minds, I'm guessing he pulled down what he wrote, I don't think anyone has provided any evidence to say it's Mcguyver (or who the fuckever). I know Time4makebelieve says I have done this...I think WarriorBird said the same. Since we are deleting and banning, should Time4fun have her account banned when it's found out who really said what(if that's what we are doing) for the continued false accusations or will we allow people to just point fingers?

This will turn into a shit blizzard.

[Tisket]

I was going to vote no because I can't stand extremes in moderation. But I decided to abstain instead because macgyver is a stupid shit stain who would mistake a no vote as support for his antics.

[Wrathbringer]

Ok so he posted stupid shit. I doubt he changed any minds, I'm guessing he pulled down what he wrote, I don't think anyone has provided any evidence to say it's Mcguyver (or who the fuckever). I know Time4makebelieve says I have done this...I think WB said the same. Since we are deleting and banning, should Time4fun have her account banned when it's found out who really said what(if that's what we are doing) for the continued false accusations or will we allow people to just point fingers?

This will turn into a shit blizzard.

Wat? You're retarded.

[Viekn]

I was thinking more along the lines of "How do I get started using the adventure guild?". While he's started some threads that seemed to be from a legitimate noob, they all seemed to be more along the lines of "which class is best", "what weapon combo is best", etc. etc. I don't think any of those really help an actual new player, because the answer to those questions is always going to be 90% subjective, no matter what responses people give.

Nevermind. Looking back at his earliest posts, they could be answers that any new person might want to know. Some do have a point that banning won't do much, but I think we have to start trying to make it a little harder for certain people.

[Astray]

He thinks he's trolling. Let that sit with everyone for a moment.

[Fallen]

Since we are deleting and banning, should Time4fun have her account banned when it's found out who really said what(if that's what we are doing) for the continued false accusations or will we allow people to just point fingers?

Nope, just new troll accounts posting hate speech and the like. I understand the point you two are making, I just don't agree with it.

Further posting in this thread isn't doing anyone but Macyver any good, so i'm done.

[Richaard]

I was thinking more along the lines of "How do I get started using the adventure guild?". While he's started some threads that seemed to be from a legitimate noob, they all seemed to be more along the lines of "which class is best", "what weapon combo is best", etc. etc. I don't think any of those really help an actual new player, because the answer to those questions is always going to be 90% subjective, no matter what responses people give.

An actual new player may ask those type of questions. Obviously they are going to be subjective because everyone has their own opinion. That's what is great about it. The new player can soak it up and choose on their own what path to take from what they read. So it still stands as a legit question (whether a troll is asking just to seek attention on themselves and away from other threads or to really ask the question even tho they just like to troll the forums).

[macgyver]

Whirlin Whirlin Whirlin, you spineless little shit. "Oh dear! what does everyone else say? I want to stay popular! I'm the cool! Guyz I'll do anything you want if it's the popular and hip decision!"

I knew you weren't cut out for modding. People like you need to stay where they belong, shuffling papers, reporting to their superiors, eeking on by... #PATHETIC

[Viekn]

Nope, just new troll accounts posting hate speech and the like. I understand the point you two are making, I just don't agree with it.

Further posting in this thread isn't doing anyone but Macyver any good, so i'm done.

Regardless of what we try to do, he jeopardizes our willingness to help new people on these forums. And while these forums are the go to place for most new players, until the official forums are updated to something more useful, I'd like to keep these forums as troll free as possible. I knew it would bring some attention to the troll by creating the poll, but the intent is to have a vote so hopefully something can be done to make it harder for him and others to troll here. I am also done posting in this thread as well and hope the poll helps to serve the purpose it was created for.

[macgyver]

Regardless of what we try to do, he jeopardizes our willingness to help new people on these forums. And while these forums are the go to place for most new players, until the official forums are updated to something more useful, I'd like to keep these forums as troll free as possible. I knew it would bring some attention to the troll by creating the poll, but the intent is to have a vote so hopefully something can be done to make it harder for him and others to troll here. I am also done posting in this thread as well and hope the poll helps to serve the purpose it was created for.

You are truly delusional if you believe these forums are good for new people. I think you people have been so mired in toxic shit on these forums for so long, you actually believe you're the 'good guys'. If a truly new player were to get on these boards all it can do is chase them away.You people need to look at a mirror once in a while.

[Back]

Nah. No ban. Just ridicule him when his alts are discovered.

[Jhynnifer]

I kind of agree with Tisket. We've seen what happens in the past when we start banning people for trolling (Inspire, IW), it just ends up getting worse. I'd suggest moderating the posts he makes that contain legitimate hate speech and going from there. This is one of those cases where, unfortunately, the best thing to do is to let the little child get his antics out of his system. Stop responding to his troll threads, and get on with life.

As for new players, as much as I'd love the PC to be a warm, fuzzy and welcoming first look at the GS community, the PC never has nor ever will be that. Heavy-handed moderation isn't going to change that.

[Richaard]

Nah. No ban. Just ridicule him when his alts are discovered.

That's what he wants. He loves the attention.

The point many folks have been making is that threads he starts (that clearly shows he's being demeaning to someone or something) or responds to should just be ignored. Act as if he never even posted. Report the post if it goes too far and let the admin/moderator take care of the rest. There's that urge to hit "Reply" or "Reply With Quote" and respond. Hold back that urge. :D

[Maerit]

I was thinking more along the lines of "How do I get started using the adventure guild?". While he's started some threads that seemed to be from a legitimate noob, they all seemed to be more along the lines of "which class is best", "what weapon combo is best", etc. etc. I don't think any of those really help an actual new player, because the answer to those questions is always going to be 90% subjective, no matter what responses people give.

To answer your question, it doesn't matter. If you read a thread posted by any "Junior Member", and you have any reason to respond with helpful information / tips / suggestions - or simply feel the need to say "that all depends on how you like to play" - then who cares whether it was a macguyver alt that created the thread. At the end of the day, you're not being trolled. The only time macguyver trolls is when he is trying to get a rise out of the community, or create some kind of controversy. Frankly, he's horrible at trolling in general - especially when it's game related trolling.

The whole F2P conversation threads, and the votes for what class is best blah blah blah - they actually have some value when addressed from the perspective of someone trying to help out a new player.

[Back]

He reminds me of that one friend or cousin who would do wacky shit all the time and everyone would just roll their eyes and say "Oh that MacGuyver!".

Apparently I grew up in a 50's sitcom.

[Viekn]

As for new players, as much as I'd love the PC to be a warm, fuzzy and welcoming first look at the GS community, the PC never has nor ever will be that.

Last post on this thread, I promise this time. I didn't mean for PC to be warm and fuzzy. I gave up on that the second day I was here. And I don't need PB on me for trying to push the warm and fuzzy agenda. I just meant that a new player, creating a new username here, shouldn't run in the risk that we're all going to assume he/she is macgyver and automatically tell them to go STFU.

[Neveragain]

Wat? You're retarded.

Meaning Warrior Bird.

[Jhynnifer]

Last post on this thread, I promise this time. I didn't mean for PC to be warm and fuzzy. I gave up on that the second day I was here. And I don't need PB on me for trying to push the warm and fuzzy agenda. I just meant that a new player, creating a new username here, shouldn't run in the risk that we're all going to assume he/she is macgyver and automatically tell them to go STFU.

Then we shouldn't. Maerit's got the right idea, even if it comes from a place of trolling if it helps inform or discuss GS matters, then it's doing some kind of good. I've dealt with the same issues in-game with certain people continually rolling up new alts to the point where I became so skeptical and paranoid I stopped talking to new people. That was the wrong way to go about it and instead I just welcome them and treat them like new people, I'm just careful not to get dragged into drama if/when it arises. Same principles work here.

[MotleyCrew]

Stop feeding the trolls and they will go away.

It's better to be praised than punished, but better to be punished than ignored.

[Neovik1]

I think I'm joining the don't feed the troll mind set. I just don't want us to become unwelcoming on here and chase away new blood.

I don't understand what the purpose is of everything Macgyver is doing. He also brings discrace to the name. He's more fitting of the name Murdoc. Both psychopaths...

[Tisket]

Do we really want people too weak and sensitive to remain though? I think not.

[Gelston]

I love lamp.

[Tgo01]

Are we really going to start up polls and use a majority of people to vote yes to start getting rid of people?

Yeah this is a really terrible way to go about moderating these forums.

ClydeR is a well known troll, probably the most well known troll to ever grace a forum. But he's mostly harmless. I sure wouldn't want a poll held to decide if he needs to be banned or not.

MacGuyver is annoying, but then again, ClydeR can be extremely annoying as well. Where is the line drawn? What decides if someone is ban worthy or not? A poll? Everyone might as well start up polls for everyone they dislike and see if they can get enough people to vote them off the island.

[Androidpk]

I think the line is drawn at using multiple accounts to troll.

[Gelston]

Yeah this is a really terrible way to go about moderating these forums.

ClydeR is a well known troll, probably the most well known troll to ever grace a forum. But he's mostly harmless. I sure wouldn't want a poll held to decide if he needs to be banned or not.

MacGuyver is annoying, but then again, ClydeR can be extremely annoying as well. Where is the line drawn? What decides if someone is ban worthy or not? A poll? Everyone might as well start up polls for everyone they dislike and see if they can get enough people to vote them off the island.

I'd place them in different categories due to the method of Macgyver trolling, with the constant creation of sock puppets. Then again, as I've said, banning his main account won't do anything to halt this.

[Neovik1]

Do we really want people too weak and sensitive to remain though? I think not.

I agree with this to a point. If we had World of Warcraft numbers I'd say screw the weak... but we don't. We can't afford to scare away new players.

[Haldrik]

Voting on issues like this is silly. You never really get an accurate vote, instead you get a snap-shot of the most vocal users.

Moderating should be pretty straight forward. Make policies, be consistent, and then take appropriate action when people violate those policies. If you don't have any policies in place then you end up taking actions based on feelings, whims, and/or the ruckus caused by the vocal minority. If people are punished because they believe they are treated unfairly. you can up end with further abhorrent behavior and far more extreme actions than the original situation.

There are already tools in place to handle Macguyver. 1) Ignore him. 2) Don't read his threads.

Don't feed the trolls. (Yes, I appreciate the irony.)

[Taernath]

Yes, ban. One account is whatever, but he's created close to 10 (that we know of) and virtually every new account is suspect of being him.

[Tyronebiggums]

If people are punished because they believe they are treated unfairly. you can up end with further abhorrent behavior and far more extreme actions than the original situation.

Trying to justify your temper tantrum?

[Viekn]

Yeah this is a really terrible way to go about moderating these forums.

ClydeR is a well known troll, probably the most well known troll to ever grace a forum. But he's mostly harmless. I sure wouldn't want a poll held to decide if he needs to be banned or not.

MacGuyver is annoying, but then again, ClydeR can be extremely annoying as well. Where is the line drawn? What decides if someone is ban worthy or not? A poll? Everyone might as well start up polls for everyone they dislike and see if they can get enough people to vote them off the island.

Ok, I'm going to chime back in. Not in regards to macgyver, that argument has been settled and I'll not feed the troll anymore. But more so in regards to this comment about the poll. I have ClydeR ignored. Do you know how much trouble ClydeR causes me? None. Because I ignored him and I don't post in his threads which are 99% all about politics. I have an extreme dislike for Haldrik. I would not vote to ban him because the ignore function works on him. Macgyver is a completely different story however. With the constant creation of new accounts, it ventures in to the realm of disruption. And no matter what, someone is always going to fall for his trickery and respond to his threads. We all say "ignore the trolls", but no matter what, someone is always always responding to them. It's inevitable. Am I then supposed to ignore every person who responds to Macgyver and all his alts? If so, I'd eventually have every user here blocked at some point.

[Tgo01]

Ok, I'm going to chime back in. Not in regards to macgyver, that argument has been settled and I'll not feed the troll anymore. But more so in regards to this comment about the poll. I have ClydeR ignored. Do you know how much trouble ClydeR causes me? None. Because I ignored him and I don't post in his threads which are 99% all about politics. I have an extreme dislike for Haldrik. I would not vote to ban him because the ignore function works on him. Macgyver is a completely different story however. With the constant creation of new accounts, it ventures in to the realm of disruption. And no matter what, someone is always going to fall for his trickery and respond to his threads. We all say "ignore the trolls", but no matter what, someone is always always responding to them. It's inevitable. Am I then supposed to ignore every person who responds to Macgyver and all his alts? If so, I'd eventually have every user here blocked at some point.

If the problem is with alt accounts then something should be done to discourage people making alt accounts. I'm sure this forum software has a way to require someone to use a unique email address and then require verification from said email address. It wouldn't stop all alt accounts but it would help discourage people if they had to create a new email address every time. This probably requires action on Kranar's part.

There are probably other ways to make it harder for people to make alt accounts.

[Gelston]

If the problem is with alt accounts then something should be done to discourage people making alt accounts. I'm sure this forum software has a way to require someone to use a unique email address and then require verification from said email address. It wouldn't stop all alt accounts but it would help discourage people if they had to create a new email address every time. This probably requires action on Kranar's part.

There are probably other ways to make it harder for people to make alt accounts.

Approval at account creation.

[Tgo01]

Approval at account creation.

I'm sure the different levels (junior member, senior member, etc) could also allow different kinds of access as well.

Like a new member can only create one new topic a day or something, has to wait 5 minutes between posts. As soon as they become a senior member (whatever that entails) then these restrictions are lifted.

[Gelston]

I'm sure the different levels (junior member, senior member, etc) could also allow different kinds of access as well.

Like a new member can only create one new topic a day or something, has to wait 5 minutes between posts. As soon as they become a senior member (whatever that entails) then these restrictions are lifted.

I've seen forums where thread creation requires a prerequisite number if posts and/or time. I suppose we could create a questions thread for new people to post in instead of creating a thread.

[Viekn]

If the problem is with alt accounts then something should be done to discourage people making alt accounts. I'm sure this forum software has a way to require someone to use a unique email address and then require verification from said email address. It wouldn't stop all alt accounts but it would help discourage people if they had to create a new email address every time. This probably requires action on Kranar's part.

There are probably other ways to make it harder for people to make alt accounts.

I'm all for that. Anything that makes this type of trolling harder.


Approval at account creation.

Not sure about feasibility, but all for that too.

[Mogonis]

Lots of ways to prevent future trolls, but what do we do with the current troll problem?

[Gelston]

I'm all for that. Anything that makes this type of trolling harder.



Not sure about feasibility, but all for that too.

It is feasible, I've seen far larger forums do it. Have about 3 or 4 folks who can approve/decline, but aren't necessarily mods.

[Taernath]

I've seen forums where thread creation requires a prerequisite number if posts and/or time. I suppose we could create a questions thread for new people to post in instead of creating a thread.

No, the search function is ass and everything that gets posted would just be buried under useless stuff anway.

Just, you know, ban the guy that is causing problems, don't punish new users.

[Wrathbringer]

It is feasible, I've seen far larger forums do it. Have about 3 or 4 folks who can approve/decline, but aren't necessarily mods.

I'll set up a poll for this immediately.

[Gelston]

No, the search function is ass and everything that gets posted would just be buried under useless stuff anway.

Just, you know, ban the guy that is causing problems, don't punish new users.

Banning him does absolutely nothing unless you stop his sock puppetry.

[Wrathbringer]

Banning him does absolutely nothing.

Banning him and his alts is a start. If it does nothing, fine. Let's find out.

[Taernath]

Banning him and his alts is a start. If it does nothing, fine. Let's find out.

+1

[Gelston]

Banning him and his alts is a start. If it does nothing, fine. Let's find out.

Did it stop Inspire or IW? The guy likes creating new accounts regardless. Banning him prevents nothing, since the part of his trolling that caused this thread is his constant creation of accounts.

[Taernath]

Did it stop Inspire or IW?

It did, yeah. He stopped posting stupid shit for a long while.

[Mogonis]

But then he became a Super Moderator.

[Gelston]

It did, yeah. He stopped posting stupid shit for a long while.

Because he got bored, not because his Inspire account was banned.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm starting a poll to ban gelston.

[Taernath]

Because he got bored, not because his Inspire account was banned.

So ban mac until he gets tired, too. I'm fine with that.

[Gelston]

So ban mac until he gets tired, too. I'm fine with that.

He would eventually anyways. The point is, he is constantly making new accounts to troll when he doesn't even have to.

[Candor]

Ok, I'm going to chime back in. Not in regards to macgyver, that argument has been settled and I'll not feed the troll anymore. But more so in regards to this comment about the poll. I have ClydeR ignored. Do you know how much trouble ClydeR causes me? None. Because I ignored him and I don't post in his threads which are 99% all about politics. I have an extreme dislike for Haldrik. I would not vote to ban him because the ignore function works on him. Macgyver is a completely different story however. With the constant creation of new accounts, it ventures in to the realm of disruption. And no matter what, someone is always going to fall for his trickery and respond to his threads. We all say "ignore the trolls", but no matter what, someone is always always responding to them. It's inevitable. Am I then supposed to ignore every person who responds to Macgyver and all his alts? If so, I'd eventually have every user here blocked at some point.

I agree with this viewpoint. I have had another forum user on ignore for over a year now and rarely speak of him. A couple people have informed me that he still insults me on a regular basis. Here's the thing though - I wouldn't have known that fact if someone hadn't told me. Ignore works really well for individual accounts.

But if someone is constantly creating new accounts to get around the forum protections, that is disruption and it needs to be addressed. The person should be warned, and then banned if problems persist.

Admittedly I don't know how to effectively ban someone. I assume you can ban an IP address, but that won't be effective if they are determined. I wouldn't want a ban to take much of an admins time.

[Wrathbringer]

I agree with this viewpoint. I have had another forum user on ignore for over a year now and rarely speak of him. A couple people have informed me that he still insults me on a regular basis. Here's the thing though - I wouldn't have known that fact if someone hadn't told me. Ignore works really well for individual accounts.


You're retarded.

[Ososis]

If MacFuckbag wants to troll, great, let him do it under one handle so he can be ignored, and people don't waste their time answering questions or responding to his trolls. I don't mind trolling, but his hurts the community, and especially new players. That is unacceptable.

As to "being nice so new players aren't put off" fuck that, He actively tries to be destructive to the game and these forums, then posts the MOST anti-newb stuff about how these forums and its members are the most toxic people ever and nobody should play with us.

Don't forget he also advocates raping women in the ass, and mutilating people based on their race.

[Taernath]

He would eventually anyways. The point is, he is constantly making new accounts to troll when he doesn't even have to.

It's literally one dude causing problems, his creation of new accounts is just the symptom.

https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1462/50/1462501863798.jpg

[Gelston]

It's literally one dude causing problems, his creation of new accounts is just the symptom.

https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1462/50/1462501863798.jpg

Except banning the MacGuyver account doesn't disable his hand. You need to put in measures to prevent him from creating more.

[macgyver]

Think about precedence gentlemen. When's it going to stop? I can assure you it won't stop with me. This is the classic call sign of tyranny, "this is to better everyone in the society says the mob with their torches and pitchforks."

Besides none of you here know how deep this rabbit hole goes, it would horrify you. Heck, I can even be Whirlin, would I ever ban myself though? who knows?

[Ososis]

Think about precedence gentlemen. When's it going to stop? I can assure you it won't stop with me. This is the classic call sign of tyranny, "this is to better everyone in the society says the mob with their torches and pitchforks."

Besides none of you here know how deep this rabbit hole goes, it would horrify you. Heck, I can even be Whirlin, would I ever ban myself though? who knows?

A brain dead gopher trolls better than you. You know how we know you're not Whirlin? Consider how every one of your alts gets unmasked from one or two posts, your subtlety is garbage. If you could even marginally pass for someone else EVER you A: wouldn't have to make a new alt per thread, and B: wouldn't inspire contempt in everyone.

So no, it's not possible for you to be Whirlin

[Jhynnifer]

A brain dead gopher trolls better than you. You know how we know you're not Whirlin? Consider how every one of your alts gets unmasked from one or two posts, your subtlety is garbage. If you could even marginally pass for someone else EVER you A: wouldn't have to make a new alt per thread, and B: wouldn't inspire contempt in everyone.

So no, it's not possible for you to be Whirlin

If he really was a terrible troll, you'd stop responding to him. He's clearly doing something right.

[Ardwen]

I voted no, because if we banned idiots and trolls, there wouldn't be many people left

[Ososis]

If he really was a terrible troll, you'd stop responding to him. He's clearly doing something right.

I call this "Troll's Fallacy", the idea that "I post, therefor I am troll. You post, therefor you have been trolled"

[Ososis]

I voted no, because if we banned idiots and trolls, there wouldn't be many people left

Nobody is asking to ban all trolls and idiots. The question is has MacGuyver's behavior become detrimental to the community and the game to an untenable degree. Are his actions just stupid stupids of a stupid, or is he willfully (and somewhat successfully) trying to be destructive to the population.

[macgyver]

If he really was a terrible troll, you'd stop responding to him. He's clearly doing something right.

Ahh, the lasses here were always smarter than their male counterparts. The "men" here are losers beyond compare, how they are still stuck in the 1990's is what's so intriguing to me. What happened? Were they all stunted during puberty and only one ball dropped?

https://img.memesuper.com/e1827c5603fb9b2a727d46e388914dd0_putin-can-only-laugh-at-you-laughing-gif-meme_347-244.gif

[Ardwen]

ignore him? seems simple enough

[Ososis]

Ahh, the lasses here were always smarter than their male counterparts. The "men" here are losers beyond compare, how they are still stuck in the 1990's is what's so intriguing to me. What happened? Were they all stunted during puberty and only one ball dropped?


See what I mean? This is so terrible and forced. Me telling him to "shut the fuck up" does not negate this JV fumble.


EDIT
Thanks for the rep PB, it was truly devastating.

[Parkbandit]

See what I mean? This is so terrible and forced. Me telling him to "shut the fuck up" does not negate this JV fumble.


EDIT
Thanks for the rep PB, it was truly devastating.

Wait, you thought I meant for it to devastate you? I called you a whining retard that is complaining about trolls, yet feeding one.

Sorry you're clearly upset by it.

PS - No I'm not.

[Candor]

I voted no, because if we banned idiots and trolls, there wouldn't be many people left

IMHO it is the constant creation of new accounts that is the defining issue here. If he stopped that, I agree banning would be inappropriate.

But again, I don't want a ban to take up a lot of an admins time. It's just may not be worth the effort.

[Viekn]

IMHO it is the constant creation of new accounts that is the defining issue here. If he stopped that, I agree banning would be inappropriate.

But again, I don't want a ban to take up a lot of an admins time. It's just may not be worth the effort.

And here we go again: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?108205-Anal-Sex-Men-vs-Women. At this point, it's not about confusing his new accounts with an actual new person, but there's a good chance an actual new person makes an account and sees posts like this that could negatively impact them wanting to continue posting here or possibly even continuing to play the game. If I was new new (not a returning old school player) and saw something like that posted on the forums most of the game players use, I'd definitely have second thoughts about continuing to play the game.

Something has to be done.

[Wrathbringer]

An ip ban would be a good start.

[macgyver]

And here we go again: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?108205-Anal-Sex-Men-vs-Women. At this point, it's not about confusing his new accounts with an actual new person, but there's a good chance an actual new person makes an account and sees posts like this that could negatively impact them wanting to continue posting here or possibly even continuing to play the game. If I was new new (not a returning old school player) and saw something like that posted on the forums most of the game players use, I'd definitely have second thoughts about continuing to play the game.

Something has to be done.

Give me a break! Have you been to the off-topic folder? Don't tell me your shit don't stink as well.

[mgoddess]

Simple solution: don't respond to posts that seem trollish, report posts that you think are out of line, Whirlin deletes posts/threads after some set number of reports, Whirlin bans account after some set of deleted posts/threads.

[Gelston]

Simple solution: don't respond to posts that seem trollish, report posts that you think are out of line, Whirlin deletes posts/threads after some set number of reports, Whirlin bans account after some set of deleted posts/threads.

Nothx.

[Warriorbird]

Not unless he does the relatively limited amount of bannable stuff.

[Wrathbringer]

IMHO it is the constant creation of new accounts that is the defining issue here. If he stopped that, I agree banning would be inappropriate.

But again, I don't want a ban to take up a lot of an admins time. It's just may not be worth the effort.

stfu candor