FWI Private Property - Stone Manor

[SashaFierce]

Clarification about account takeover/private property policy:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?107795-FWI-Private-Property-Stone-Manor&p=1931372#post1931372

[Fortybox]

The bedroom at Stone Manor is perfect for cyber. SF does it all the time:

>rest bed
You lean against the bed, taking a momentary rest.

>lie bed
You climb onto the the mahogany bed for a good rest.
P>dust spread
You dust off a black velvet spread on a four-post mahogany bed.
P>exhale spread
You lean over and lightly breathe on a black velvet spread.
P>tickle spread
You brush your fingers lightly against a black velvet spread on a four-post mahogany bed.
P>pull spread
You grasp the spread tightly, pulling it up to your neck.
P>turn spread
You turn over, grasping the spread tightly.
P>push spread
You push the spread off you.
P>roll bed
You roll around on the mahogany bed.
P>jump bed
You spring into a standing position on the mahogany bed.
>jump bed
You jump up and down on the mahogany bed.

[Ardwen]

You realize that accts with deeded property can't be transferred and expect to keep the property right? and that GMs read the boards?

[SashaFierce]

The bedroom at Stone Manor is perfect for cyber. SF does it all the time:


I will make sure the sheets are freshly laundered.

[SashaFierce]

You realize that accts with deeded property can't be transferred and expect to keep the property right? and that GMs read the boards?

Based upon the Private Property policy this isn't accurate:

Private Property Policy:
1. Private Properties are limited to one per account, and the property is linked to both the account AND the character. If the character linked to the property is ever moved to a different account, the property will be immediately repossessed. If a new property becomes available, and you win that property (regardless of the distribution method), you will have to choose between the old and the new property. (Private Properties are not the same as Premium Homes, which are available in several neighborhoods throughout Elanthia. You may own both a Private Property and a Premium Home if you wish.)
2. Rent will be due by 11 PM ET on the FIRST day of EACH month. If payment is not in the rent box prior to this time, it will be considered overdue. Only the character tied to the property can pay rent, and if you forget how much is due, you can LOOK at the rent box to see any outstanding amount. Rent will again be payable on the second day of each month, but will not be collected until the first day of the following month. If your rent box is not functioning properly, it is YOUR responsibility to notify the Private Property guru immediately, or to place an ASSIST about the issue. This includes, but is not limited to, not collecting rent, not accepting payment, showing an invalid amount due, etc.
For example: Your monthly rent is 100,000 silvers. If you have not paid rent in September you will owe 100,000 silvers on October 1 by 10:59 PM ET. If not paid, at 11:00 PM on October 1, you will owe 200,000 silvers. If not paid by 10:59 PM ET on November 1, at 11:00 PM on November 1 you will now owe 300,000 silvers. If not paid by 10:59 PM ET on December 1, at 11 PM ET the repossession process will begin and you will no longer be able to access your rent box. (You may pay rent anytime between 11 PM ET on the first of the month and 10:59 PM ET on the first day of the following month to keep your rent current.)
3. Rent that goes unpaid for more than THREE consecutive months puts the property into repossession. Once the rent due rolls over to equaling four times the monthly amount due, the repossession will automatically begin, and you will no longer be able to pay rent. Once the property is confiscated, you will be unable to have it returned to you. Your items will be packed up and kept safe for 30 days. You may ASSIST or contact the Private Property guru to have your items returned to you. Any items left for more than 30 days will be considered forfeit and destroyed. If a situation arises which may keep you from accessing the game, and possibly send your property into repossession, it is YOUR responsibility to contact the Private Property guru as soon as you can to make arrangements. Do not wait until after you return and the property has been repossessed. If arrangements are made beforehand, repossession can be held off for a time.
4. You may have as many copies of your key as you like. To get copies, either contact the Private Property guru or ASSIST and any GM should be able to help you. Please keep the number requested to a reasonable amount (under a dozen at a time). Also, most keys can be copied via lockmastery.
5. You may give copies of your key to anyone and everyone you wish, but please only give them to someone you trust. Keep in mind that anyone who has a key can access your storage containers. They can also have the keys copied via lockmastery and pass them on to others. If anything comes up missing from your property, we will not be able to replace items, as by giving out copies you are giving others full access to your property and everything inside. Also, if you lose a key and someone uses it to access your property, we will be unable to replace items that become missing. If at any time you feel your property is not secure or have lost your key, please contact the Private Property guru to discuss having the locks changed and new keys made. If deemed necessary, the locks will be changed and new keys issued. However, if it becomes a habit with any particular renter, future requests will be denied on the basis of abuse.
6. If your property was awarded as an "as is" property, then you cannot make any changes to it, including to the food*. If your property was awarded as a property with minor changes allowed, the changes you can make will be clearly stated when the property is distributed. If your property was awarded as a remodel or completely new property, then those guidelines will also be gone over with you.
7. Each property will come with storage based on the type of property. Basic properties will have a minimum of 150 lbs, properties with workshops/summoning chambers will have a maximum of 200 lbs, and mobile properties will have a maximum of 250 lbs. As with other areas of the game, the floor is not safe to use as storage space. Items placed in/on/under/behind your specific storage containers are safe from the janitor, but it is still a good idea to register everything.
8. All storage containers can be set to lock and unlock using the same key that locks and unlocks the doors in your property. You will need your key in hand to lock and unlock doors and containers. If you have any problems using the key on doors or containers, please contact the Private Property guru.
9. As of 1/1/14, in order to qualify for ownership of a Private Property that is inside a town, you must be a full citizen of that town and retain full citizenship status in that town. If you had full ownership and access to the property (ie, you had been given the key) prior to 1/1/14, then you will not be bound by this. However, any owner of a property inside Ta'Vaalor, regardless of when the property was obtained, must retain full citizenship. If for any reason your citizenship status is not retained (ie, you select to change it, it gets revoked, etc), then the property is eligible for immediate repossession. Properties are considered 'in town' if they are inside a town's walls or are governed by that town's justice system. This portion of the policy only applies to the Prime instance. Properties in the Elven Nations in Platinum may require citizenship at the town guru's discretion.
10. In order to be eligible to own a Private Property, your account must be billed for at least a basic monthly subscription to GemStone IV.
11. Participating in game mechanics abuse within the property can result in the property being repossessed.
12. If you have any questions regarding your Private Property, do not hesitate to contact the Private Property guru for clarification and/or assistance.

[Ardwen]

Its happened at least twice in the past, and the rules haven't changed since then.

[Velfi]

Based upon the Private Property policy this isn't accurate:

http://i.imgur.com/UCBuE8D.jpg

[SashaFierce]

I'll ask for clarification.

[Taar]

Maybe you could get Wyrom to post on here for clarification? That would make the sale easier if it's okay to do what you are trying to do.


I'll ask for clarification.

[Velfi]

LOL @ SF's tryhard red rep. F- for effort.

[Luntz]

Alastir/Sashafierce wishes he could delete his history, so it must be relevant in some way. Know what kinda drama queen you are buying from

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?101988-Scam-Alert-SashaFierce-Alastir

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?107655-Complaints-about-SashaFierce-as-Moderator

[SashaFierce]

[LNet]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "dumbass shit honkeys from Florida say, tonight at 11"
[LNet]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "cracker ass bitch from Florida callin someone an Uncle Tom, classic"

Racism is okay, as long as it's against white people.

[Thanos]

Leave Sasha alone! He did nothing wrong! Stop trying to slander people!

[Luntz]

http://i.imgur.com/IUZrSBb.jpg

[Nordred]

You can only buy or sell a place if it's a deed from certain events that's not yet been attached to some one(like the one currently selling that some one pulled out of reim), past that point it's going to be repo-ed.

[Richaard]

If it's an account takeover, I don't see them (Simutronics) doing anything as it's just getting a new profile and payment update.
If it's a character transfer from one account to another, then I see it being repo'd.

[m444w]

If it's an account takeover, I don't see them (Simutronics) doing anything as it's just getting a new profile and payment update.
If it's a character transfer from one account to another, then I see it being repo'd.

Historically you are wrong.

I don't know if I (personally) agree I'm just saying how it has been

[Richaard]

Historically you are wrong.

I don't know if I (personally) agree I'm just saying how it has been

And I'm not saying I was factual. Just my thoughts. :)

[Somedude]

Why would they take away the property if just the payment option was updated?

[Ardwen]

because they are non-transferable, in any way. and a change in account ownership is a transfer.

[Somedude]

because they are non-transferable, in any way. and a change in account ownership is a transfer.

That's wild. But, again, how would they know? Change in payment doesn't mean change in ownership neccesarily, I could just be switching payments or use my prepaid debit, which in fact I've been starting to do for all my online transactions.

[Ardwen]

So you'd leave the original owner the accounts email contact? Sort of leave's you open to them resuming control of the account doesn't it?

[Somedude]

So you'd leave the original owner the accounts email contact? Sort of leave's you open to them resuming control of the account doesn't it?

That's a good point, but couldn't you circumvent that by just creating then updating a new email you haven't used in other Gemstone accounts. I know they switch out emails when the user answers the security questions which is something the seller should provide as it's the only way to link a new email to an account. Heck, probably all or most of us here did this exact same thing when we returned back to game after decades and some of the companies hosting our emails back in the day went belly up.

[Ardwen]

As I stated at the start of the thread, at least twice homes in such circumstances have been repossessed, posting that you are selling something that is list as non-transferable makes it very simple to track the change. Simu wants to keep the deeds in circulation, they want to give new people a chance to win a property, us circumventing the rules makes that harder.

[Somedude]

As I stated at the start of the thread, at least twice homes in such circumstances have been repossessed, posting that you are selling something that is list as non-transferable makes it very simple to track the change. Simu wants to keep the deeds in circulation, they want to give new people a chance to win a property, us circumventing the rules makes that harder.

Their intentions are definitely right, I would personally like to see more new people get a chance to own a property. It's just that wouldn't this guy selling the property right now be the exact same thing? Since you can buy silvers for cash here anyway.

[Ardwen]

Except that there is zero benefits for simu when he does it, and it is against the rules sure.

[Somedude]

Except that there is zero benefits for simu when he does it, and it is against the rules sure.

Think both parts of that statement has left the station a long time ago as this folder is a testament to.

[Ardwen]

except there is a rule that has been enforced, multiple times and recently disallowing this particular form of transfer sure. They have never effectively policed the item or character black market.

[Somedude]

except there is a rule that has been enforced, multiple times and recently disallowing this particular form of transfer sure. They have never effectively policed the item or character black market.

I agree here, enforcement is a problem, but at this point one has to wonder if the cash black market is a boon for the game and Simu's profits especially with Simucoin run events and items.

[Ardwen]

as said enforcement happened in the recent past long after the black markets possible gains to the game started I would disagree with you

[Gelston]

Hasn't this property already once been transferred due to a character/account sale?

[rolfard]

No, it was given up so the owner could buy another property and then raffled

[Gelston]

No, it was given up so the owner could buy another property and then raffled

I think I might vaguely remember that.

[Jhynnifer]

While I'm interested in this property (due to the RP surrounding it), I'd rather trade the Perch for it and own it on Riend. The original owner was kind enough to leave the area unlocked (locking only the bedroom) which was one of the best things.

It always makes me sad to see this property owned by people who have no interest/stake in the history of it. =(

[Durgrimst]

Is this SF's only character?

[mgoddess]

Is this SF's only character?
Negative... quoting from a post he made in Mairanu's first Reim-property-deed thread:


Both of my private properties don't have workshops in them. Thankfully my Illistim home is like, 1 room away from the wizard guild though.

[Zaigh]

This would be an awesome property to own for Durakar, he'd enjoy having such a great place. Too bad we can't transfer properties, but I understand why.

[Jhynnifer]

This would be an awesome property to own for Durakar, he'd enjoy having such a great place. Too bad we can't transfer properties, but I understand why.

I asked Kynlee if she'd trade me properties when I heard Stone Manor was repo'd. Unfortunately no! =*(

[SashaFierce]

While I'm interested in this property (due to the RP surrounding it), I'd rather trade the Perch for it and own it on Riend. The original owner was kind enough to leave the area unlocked (locking only the bedroom) which was one of the best things.

It always makes me sad to see this property owned by people who have no interest/stake in the history of it. =(


It's currently open to the public.

Still waiting for a response from Kynlee about the private property policy.

[SashaFierce]

Hello,

So there is some disagreement between a few players about what the Private Property policy says versus what it means.

It doesn’t say anywhere that the property is linked to the account owner/billing information, just the actual account itself. Is that the correct way to interpret the policy? The account owner/billing information could change, as long as the character is not removed from the account & character linkage?

Thanks!





The policy states: Private Properties are limited to one per account, and the property is linked to both the account AND the character. If the character linked to the property is ever moved to a different account, the property will be immediately repossessed.

The policy states exactly what it means - the property is tied to the character and account, not the billing information. The policy has evolved over the years and been refined, and as that happens, it (hopefully) has become more succinct.
~Kynlee~



So an account takeover is possible, transferring the character/property to a different account is not possible.

[Lord Orbstar]

What is your ball park price for this? That is pretty clear: it is OKAY with SIMU as long as it is an account take over.

[SashaFierce]

What is your ball park price for this? That is pretty clear: it is OKAY with SIMU as long as it is an account take over.

I have a figure in mind, somewhat. The price would fluctuate some depending on if you wanted the premium points or if I burned them prior to the takeover.

I would expect to be compensated for the +100 locker expansion. (15m)
Then add in the value of the bard.
Then add in the value of the property.
Plus or minus the premium points.

I would prefer silvers over cash, and silvers are pretty cheap right now...

[SashaFierce]

^

[Shadow Shot]

You didn't actually give that ball park.

[SashaFierce]

You didn't actually give that ball park.

I'd like to see what offers are made.

[macgyver]

25 mil