Property deed with workshop

[Mairanu]

New information here: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?107800-Property-deed-2-Electric-Boogaloo

[WRoss]

Can anyone independently verify this?

[Crime]

200m

[Velfi]

You might want some people vouching for you with a 200m first post fella.

[Mairanu]

That's a vaild point, I'll go wave it around it town square.

[Zaigh]

I saw him holding the deed in the reim treasure room and it was missing from the vault pile list.

I'll put 220m on it.

[Crime]

250m

[Zaigh]

You might want some people vouching for you with a 200m first post fella.

I'm sure anyone wanting to make sure it's legit would work with the seller to find a neutral third party to help broker the exchange, at worst.

[Viekn]

God damn, I need to start hunting Reim.

[Boora]

What a prize! A post above suggests there is a verifiable list of REIM prizes?

[shad0ws0ngs]

What a prize! A post above suggests there is a verifiable list of REIM prizes?

There are shops at Reim, but there is also the vault which has a treasure pile in it. For 1000 ghost bucks you can get a box from the pile. You can also look at the pile and it will show you currently available items in it.. like rare, epic, legendary.. stuff like that.. and it cycles. So, you wait till it has something you want and then blow all your ghost bucks and then go home and cry over losing horribly. Or plot revenge against randomy mcrandom who finds a property deed.

[chalion]

Look Treasure , in the vault room

[Zaigh]

What a prize! A post above suggests there is a verifiable list of REIM prizes?

When you are in the Wooden Vault, you can look at the treasure pile to see what is currently there. Earlier there was a private property deed in there and now there is not:

>l treasure
You look over the pile of treasure and manage to see:
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Rare Items

1. Some cobalt leather armbands
The armbands weighs less than a pound.
This is a wounded wear item, it can automatically bandage your wounds.
It is unlocked to tier 2.

2. A tooled leather bracer
The bracer weighs approximately 3 pounds.
The bracer can hold and hide daggers.

3. A trim cobalt jacket with pearl-set epaulettes
The jacket weighs approximately 8 pounds.
The jacket has the consolation cloak script.

4. A pair of gold leather slippers
The slippers weighs approximately 2 pounds.
The slippers has an enchantment bonus of +20.
The slippers have the dancing shoes script.

5. An ethereal armor waiver for defensive strength flares
The waiver weighs less than a pound.
This will unlock or advance your ethereal armor's defensive strength flares. This waiver will take it from tier 1 to tier 2. This waiver will ONLY work if your item is ALREADY unlocked to tier 1.
The waiver is a script unlocking waiver.

Epic Items

1. A caped golden emperor statue with a sapphire-topped crown
The statue weighs less than a pound.
The statue can cut gems.

2. An enruned drakar-shod runestaff
The runestaff weighs approximately 4 pounds.
The runestaff has an enchantment bonus of +20.
The runestaff has the special property of: Power of a fire elemental
This is a shock lance/staff item, it can blast enemies with elemental energy on command.
Total unlocks: 0

3. An enruned rhimar-tipped spear
The spear weighs approximately 6 pounds.
The spear has an enchantment bonus of +20.
The spear has the special property of: Power of an ice elemental
This is a shock lance/staff item, it can blast enemies with elemental energy on command.
Total unlocks: 0

4. A pair of thin chain mesh gloves
The gloves weighs less than a pound.
The gloves has the spell glove script.

5. An enruned zorchar-tipped spear
The spear weighs approximately 6 pounds.
The spear has an enchantment bonus of +20.
The spear has the special property of: Power of a lightning elemental
This is a shock lance/staff item, it can blast enemies with elemental energy on command.
Total unlocks: 0

Legendary Items

1. A thin icy blue ring
The ring weighs less than a pound.
The ring has the ice chunk ring script.

2. A bright silver earring crested with a blue sapphire
The earring weighs less than a pound.
This is chaos jewelry.
It is unlocked to tier 2

3. A polka dot bowtie
The bowtie weighs less than a pound.
This is a wounded wear item, it can automatically bandage your wounds.
It is unlocked to tier 3.

4. An ethereal armor deed
The deed weighs less than a pound.
The deed provides the following details:
The bearer of this deed is entitled to have the ethereal armor script added to their armor of choice. Some restrictions and limitations may apply due to the applicable armor's existing properties. In order to redeem this certificate, you must send a message (email) to GS4-RETSER@play.net with a workable time table to meet you. You have 30 days from purchasing to redeem or the deed is forfeit!

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[chalion]

it changes every 8-12 hours as well. FYI

[Mairanu]

I'm not even going to say how many pulls i did

[Tyronebiggums]

I'm not even going to say how many pulls i did

it was one wasn't it

[beldannon5]

Ridiculous. Sigh. Fucking rng. Congrats i suppose

[Tyronebiggums]

Ridiculous. Sigh. Fucking rng. Congrats i suppose

At least it wasn't pulled from a cube...

[SonoftheNorth]

Nice find!

[SashaFierce]

Congrats on winning the lottery!

[beldannon5]

There's one in there without a workshop too. I have gotten 1 epic and 2 rare. Nothing too great but still fun when the gong hits. I haven't heard the gong since October though which makes me sad.

Don't get me started on cubes. :) lol

[Ltlprprincess]

I hate you all. I hope your new property is raided weekly for Crime or burns down due to illicit activity daily.

[Zaigh]

Having a nice bonfire of a building sounds nice.

I'll go 275m

[Jhynnifer]

Congratulations on the pull! =)

[Crime]

300m

[Eodus]

Are there any restrictions on location of the custom property? What about size?

[Fromer]

The certificate language is fairly vague.

Is it on par with the simucoin offering?
E.g.
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?94295-Custom-Property-in-the-Simucoin-Store-Tomorrow-Evening

[Mogonis]

This is like your older brother already owning Park Place and landing on Boardwalk. It's time to flip the board over in a fit of rage and become dead inside.

[Ltlprprincess]

This is like your older brother already owning Park Place and landing on Boardwalk. It's time to flip the board over in a fit of rage and become dead inside.

Mogonis gets it.

[Godsanvil]

Greedy greedy.

[Eodus]

The certificate language is fairly vague.

Is it on par with the simucoin offering?
E.g.
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?94295-Custom-Property-in-the-Simucoin-Store-Tomorrow-Evening

Seems pretty clear, if not for this part: "You will also have a huge part in deciding what room in the lands will serve as the entry to your new home." Would the entry point be restricted to existing housing developments? Or could be anywhere? Within reason?

"6 rooms with up to 5 props and/or portals per room". What's the deal with the portals?

[beldannon5]

my thought would be anywhere. It's a legendary win. Like roblars castle or some others maybe

[Mairanu]

I'll see if I can get a little more information! As far as I know there aren't any real restrictions, times I've worked with GMs personally before on smaller things have been fairly permissive but it's probably about the same experience a lot of you have had, so it's not a whole lot of new insight.

I definitely want to do right by the buyer, especially for something this big!

EDIT: I have to assume it's like what was linked above--the certificate itself is a bit vague, but it would only be logical to follow the same rules. I'll still follow up for clarification, though.

[Mogonis]

my thought would be anywhere. It's a legendary win. Like roblars castle or some others maybe

Except like twice the cost.

[Stry]

"6 rooms with up to 5 props and/or portals per room". What's the deal with the portals?

Pretty sure 'portals' means doors/trapdoors/archways/gates, etc.

[beldannon5]

screw the workshop I would take a fishing area :) lol

[Mairanu]

screw the workshop I would take a fishing area :) lol

oh man if that was the case i would be sorely tempted to keep it

[Eodus]

Pretty sure 'portals' means doors/trapdoors/archways/gates, etc.

Kinda what I figured, but what if the creator chose to place five portals in each of the six rooms? What would you have, then? A door to any room in the home no matter which one you're in?


I'll still follow up for clarification, though.

Clarification regarding placement would be a good one. Though I'm not likely to bid, I'm sure there are others who would like to know.

[Crime]

oh man if that was the case i would be sorely tempted to keep it

Too late, your MB has been met D

[Gnomad]

Kinda what I figured, but what if the creator chose to place five portals in each of the six rooms? What would you have, then? A door to any room in the home no matter which one you're in?



Clarification regarding placement would be a good one. Though I'm not likely to bid, I'm sure there are others who would like to know.A portal is generally a hole in a wall. Door, archway, gate, etc. You could lay out 6 rooms that all have access to each other, but that'd take 15 portals: 5 in room 1, (1<->[2..6]), 4 new ones in room 2 (1<->2 is a repeat, 2<->[3..6] are new), 3 new ones in room 3, and so on.

Location is probably "where you want it, if it makes sense." Probably can't be in Darkstone or the Rift. Can't be a Dark Elf with a manse in Ta'Vaalor. Can't be in the middle of TSC or somewhere else where there's no room for a private property.

[Methais]

God damn, I need to start hunting Reim.

^

I thought it was just full of enhancives and shit like that. Didn't realize it had good prizes too.

[Mogonis]

It didn't drop in Reim. It's in the base camp or whatever it's called. You can use scrip to pull random treasure from the vault. Obviously you have to hunt Reim to get scrip.

[Nosimaj]

.4B

[adred]

sorry Nosimaj is my grandpa and he has dementia

[Crime]

LOL

[Goat]

Geez. A ticket for entry into the GS 1%. Congrats.

[neimanz1]

.4B


papi I need a new weapon!!

[MrMortimur]

So Retser will know where you live and he'll have a key...I dunno about that!

J/k. Great win, designing a property is a lot of fun and very rewarding.

[Gweneivia]

For mine they needed approval from the town guru at the time to put it in town but beyond that location was pretty open. A portal is just an archway, entryway, door, direction like east west etc, not a teleportation portal.

[Crime]

425,000,000 silver

[SashaFierce]

In town will most likely require town citizenship. Like the other properties.

[Gelston]

In town will most likely require town citizenship. Like the other properties.

Not necessarily.

[SashaFierce]

Not necessarily.

Which is why I said, most likely.

[InSplrE]

Wish this thing came with a portable hole that lets you teleport to it from anywhere in the game with a private supernode built in. How much more do you think this will raise the price?

[Syphaer]

Not necessarily.

This is from the Private Property Policy as of 2/2016.

9. As of 1/1/14, in order to qualify for ownership of a Private Property that is inside a town, you must be a full citizen of that town and retain full citizenship status in that town. If you had full ownership and access to the property (ie, you had been given the key) prior to 1/1/14, then you will not be bound by this. However, any owner of a property inside Ta'Vaalor, regardless of when the property was obtained, must retain full citizenship. If for any reason your citizenship status is not retained (ie, you select to change it, it gets revoked, etc), then the property is eligible for immediate repossession. Properties are considered 'in town' if they are inside a town's walls or are governed by that town's justice system. This portion of the policy only applies to the Prime instance. Properties in the Elven Nations in Platinum may require citizenship at the town guru's discretion.

[Gelston]

This is from the Private Property Policy as of 2/2016.

9. As of 1/1/14, in order to qualify for ownership of a Private Property that is inside a town, you must be a full citizen of that town and retain full citizenship status in that town. If you had full ownership and access to the property (ie, you had been given the key) prior to 1/1/14, then you will not be bound by this. However, any owner of a property inside Ta'Vaalor, regardless of when the property was obtained, must retain full citizenship. If for any reason your citizenship status is not retained (ie, you select to change it, it gets revoked, etc), then the property is eligible for immediate repossession. Properties are considered 'in town' if they are inside a town's walls or are governed by that town's justice system. This portion of the policy only applies to the Prime instance. Properties in the Elven Nations in Platinum may require citizenship at the town guru's discretion.

Ah, get it right outside the gate. Solved.

[Pereus]

425,000,000 silver

Fuckin Crime I was just about to get in before you did that.

[Crime]

Ah, get it right outside the gate. Solved.


Careful, if right outside the gate is governed by the justice system you could still be hosed. I think the Landing's north gate has justice right outside.

[Ardwen]

Is this deed simucoin style or deeded property style? There are a few rule differences between them as applies to ownership.

[time4fun]

425m?? That's like.. OHB money.

[Mairanu]

Okay, I got some information back, here we go:


Winner will be working with the current private home guru (GM Kynlee) and I both.

For clarification, this is not a Simucoin purchased property, but will follow similar rules.

Here is the baseline for the win.

Up to 7 Rooms, one of which will be a workshop.
Up to 5 Ambient messages per room.
5 Food/2 drinks with custom messaging.
200 lbs of storage.
150k rent a month.

You only have to be a citizen if you are building in the EN. All building locations still have to be approved by the town guru. There are some obvious limitations such as, It can't be in town square central of the landing.
You can't build in hunting grounds or any hunting areas that require any type of skill/level check to be there.

Yes, portals are "Doors, arches, portals"

I am not the private property guru, so, this is to my knowledge. That being said, I'll add on a 'other restrictions may apply' clause.

[Eodus]

425m?? That's like.. OHB money.

Somebody's got their priorities straight!

[Zaigh]

That sucks one the restrictions and rent. I had thought with it being a build-your-own property and not seeing any of those recently in the SC store that it was exactly like a SC property.

[Crime]

Well, it costs Simucoins to get into REIM (or Premium account access), so I'm a bit surprised by this not following Simucoin policies more closely. "I had expected something more in line with Simucoin store since there is a Simucoin mechanic to enter REIM." It's definitely not what I expected, and appears something between Simucoin & other properties in the lands today: https://gswiki.play.net/Private_property

Here's my personal rub with this: I don't mind maintaining an account to keep a property, but this taps into my ability to shelve Gemstone and simply pay the account fees. Something I am sure I will do from time to time.

I am going to hope the correspondence you received isn't entirely correct, as human error can be an issue. The building restrictions are of no consequence to me, but the storage being less than a simucoin purchased home has me less than amazed by something "legendary". Also, the intention was to allow Simucoin property holders to add other functionality such as add a fishing pond later? Cross realm teleporter etc...

So my bid is firm if there is no rent. It is still a very rare opportunity in Gemstone to acquire property, but I'm going to need to search my soul on my bid on this otherwise. As such release you from honoring my bid. Don't count me out though, it just may be some more information gathering is what's needed to move forward.


Crime Roy'al

[Gweneivia]

Well, it costs Simucoins to get into REIM (or Premium account access), so I'm a bit surprised by this not following Simucoin policies more closely. "I had expected something more in line with Simucoin store since there is a Simucoin mechanic to enter REIM."
Crime Roy'al

It's Reim. It's not an acronym, it's the name of a town. If you people don't stop referring to it as REIM I'm going to start saying all towns in all caps. While I was on TERAS I went hunting but I decided I liked TA'ILLISTIM even better, before I went to ICEMULE.

[Pereus]

What does the current bid stand at should Crimes be removed?

[Crime]

Don't put the cart before the horse! The owner can do what they want, but don't discount me as a potential buyer, and the auction is far from over.

The previous bid was 400m before my 425m.

The REIM location and game model has nothing to do with property value, except that since this particular hunting area is a money crop for Simutronics and intricately tied to their store, I just want some confirmation.

I expect more people to bid, and I might bid again! :)

Buyer beware was one of Wyrom's last posts, so lets all get educated on what this actually is.

[Mairanu]

I'll update the first post with the new information, and if any of you have any specific inquiries I'll be sure to pass them along. I was a little surprised and disappointed by the loss of that 50 lbs, and especially the upkeep--isn't it the habit of most of us to shelve GS for a while from time to time?

I'm also asking to confirm the upkeep requires one to be present, and that there is the 50 lb discrepancy.

[Somedude]

Is the property transferable after being built? What happens if you miss rent?

[Crime]

I'll update the first post with the new information, and if any of you have any specific inquiries I'll be sure to pass them along. I was a little surprised and disappointed by the loss of that 50 lbs, and especially the upkeep--isn't it the habit of most of us to shelve GS for a while from time to time?

I'm also asking to confirm the upkeep requires one to be present, and that there is the 50 lb discrepancy.

Thanks for your understanding Mairanu and attention to detail.

I don't think the upkeep is a show stopper for most as it's reasonable and the majority of properties have this. That said, this property does spawn from a Simucoin brain child and so encouraged the confirmation, and also would encourage Simutronics to reflect on their policy surrounding this great win of yours. It differs from all previous properties (except Simucoin purchases) in this respect as you won it though grinding REIM (YES REIM Transport Confirm, even Simu uses REIM in their verbage for you purists out there) which costs $$$ for all but premium subscribers (and don't they pay for that privilege too?).



Is the property transferable after being built? What happens if you miss rent?

https://gswiki.play.net/Private_property

[Somedude]

if the owner fails to pay rent, they will be repossessed and distributed to another character on a paid account, usually via auction or raffle.

Yikes, not for a backpacking enthusiast like myself.

[Syphaer]

Is the property transferable after being built? What happens if you miss rent?

If you miss the rent for 3 full months in a row, on the first day of the 4th month the property will be repossessed. There is no chance* to get it back after that point, and it will likely be auctioned off at some point in the future. I'm fairly certain it will not be transferable. The private workshop is also bound to 1 character and cannot be used by anyone else.

* Methais got his back once, but I believe they're fairly strict on this policy now. They added a script that gives you a big monsterbold message when you enter the property if you're on your 3rd month without paying rent.

I think the idea is that if you're not actively using it then someone else should have a chance to own it. It's rough though putting time into designing and spending coin on a property just to know that you could lose it at any time.

[Syphaer]

At the same time, logging in once every 3 months isn't hard. Barring serious health issues or lack of Internet access, I think a private property is enough to motivate you to login once every couple months to pay rent. That's what I'm counting on at least :)

[Nosimaj]

I forgo any further bidding on this as it's not what I had thought. Miaranu appreciate the updates and prompt correspondence. Look forward to your next property sale!

Crime enjoy!

[Crime]

Well we're back to a restart of the auction. I'm sorry, but the driver to 400m has clearly withdrawn interest. It's clear the fight to 425m was predicated on perceived value of what this was, which no longer exists.

I'll drop my bid back to my initial 200m, based on a "rent" property and extremely rare availability, and if the facts support a higher value will fight for it again.

[Jhynnifer]

Just chiming in here but they held a raffle a couple of years ago to permify a private property. I won the raffle and I believe it cost me... 20-25m to have the rent aspect removed from my property.

So there -is- a chance you could permify this at some point in the future.

[blanks]

Well we're back to a restart of the auction. I'm sorry, but the driver to 400m has clearly withdrawn interest. It's clear the fight to 425m was predicated on perceived value of what this was, which no longer exists.

I'll drop my bid back to my initial 200m, based on a "rent" property and extremely rare availability, and if the facts support a higher value will fight for it again.

You missed Durakar's bid.

[Crime]

More detail is known now, and Durakar is welcome to bid again.

It seems to me a fair starting point is 200m, the owner's original asking price. Which I happily bid again!

Some might argue less given the rent requirement, but I am willing to meet this 200m once again and get the ball rolling.

Pending the owner cares to proceed in this fashion of course.

So Durakar, come play :)

[Goat]

(YES REIM Transport Confirm, even Simu uses REIM in their verbage for you purists out there)

Simu's convention is to put verbs in all caps when describing usage of the command itself. Take, for example, HELP STEEPLE:


>help steeple

Usage:
STEEPLE - Steeple your fingers.
STEEPLE (target) - Steeple your fingers while glancing at (target).
STEEPLE (option) - Steeple your fingers.
Some are only available to dark elves.
STEEPLE (target) (option) - Steeple your fingers while glancing at (target).
Some are only available to dark elves.

Where (option) is one of the following:
GOOD
SHY
NOSE
EVIL (Dark Elf only)
ANGER (Dark Elf only)
PONDER (Dark Elf only)
HEAD (Dark Elf only)
ARROGANT (Dark Elf only)
LISTEN (Dark Elf only)
BACK (Dark Elf only)

That doesn't make it correct to say "Here is the church, and here is the STEEPLE" in-game. For general use outside of the context of discussing the REIM commands, it's Reim.

Reim appears in all caps on the promotional graphic on the GS4 homepage, but again, that is in a stylized context. When you click through on that graphic, it is written "Reim" everywhere (http://www.play.net/gs4/news.asp?id=1489).

So when you are discussing REIM INFO or making a fan art poster, have at it.

[Whirlin]

It's Reim. It's not an acronym, it's the name of a town. If you people don't stop referring to it as REIM I'm going to start saying all towns in all caps. While I was on TERAS I went hunting but I decided I liked TA'ILLISTIM even better, before I went to ICEMULE.
It's also a verb... we refer to verbs in caps.

[neimanz1]

this is pretty low! you guys bid with no info at all and you guys are screwing the guy for going out of his way.

[Allereli]

I believe this was given general Private Property rather than SC Property status because of the private workshop. I don't think any of the SC properties built over the past couple of years have one. I also don't know if the one Riend has that was permified has one.

[Crime]

this is pretty low! you guys bid with no info at all and you guys are screwing the guy for going out if his way.

Not really, we could back out entirely.

There's very few bidders, and the only two with sincere interest is Durakar and I to date.

Nosimaj just chimed in stating he has no interest, and I'm not going to bump me bid up based on someone's inflated OCD.

I am willing to move forward again and not completely back out.

[Nosimaj]

In my opinion fair starting point is your last bid Crime. Plus it's not your auction to dictate where it should resume. It's Mairanu's call.

We all know buyer beware, this applies to the item itself as well as the seller. Did everyone that bought an item at the GM/God auction know fully about each and every item? Nope.

Mairanu I again appreciate you going above and beyond to provide us the additional information on this deed.

[Syphaer]

I believe this was given general Private Property rather than SC Property status because of the private workshop. I don't think any of the SC properties built over the past couple of years have one. I also don't know if the one Riend has that was permified has one.

Private workshops are definitely an option for Simucoin properties. Maybe just no wizards have been buying Simucoin properties?

https://gswiki.play.net/SimuCoin_private_property_(saved_posts)
"And your choice of ONE of the following: enchanting workshop; summoning chamber; shrine to any one deity; transporter item to whisk you to your home; or a fishing area stocked with fish and a cook fire"

[Crime]

In my opinion fair starting point is your last bid Crime. Plus it's not your auction to dictate where it should resume. It's Mairanu's call.

We all know buyer beware, this applies to the item itself as well as the seller. Did everyone that bought an item at the GM/God auction know fully about each and every item? Nope.

Mairanu I again appreciate you going above and beyond to provide us the additional information on this deed.

I already stated I was releasing the owner from honoring my bid, and my bid was based on your bid, so sorry you really shouldn't have said anything.

The only way I'd have moved on my bid at this point was to restart the process, and I said pending the owner's agreement.

Thankfully Eodus has now chimed in.

I'll wait for Durakar to chime in next before I place another bid out of courtesy. Eodus' bid was 250, if Durakar proceeds to 275, then we're back to if I go 300m or not or if someone else does.

Go ahead Nosimaj, bid 400m again, nothing is stopping you.

If anything, we may have simply put this auction back on track now, and I've helped, I hope.

[Eodus]

Private workshops are definitely an option for Simucoin properties. Maybe just no wizards have been buying Simucoin properties?

https://gswiki.play.net/SimuCoin_private_property_(saved_posts)
"And your choice of ONE of the following: enchanting workshop; summoning chamber; shrine to any one deity; transporter item to whisk you to your home; or a fishing area stocked with fish and a cook fire"

Simucoin properties are no longer being sold, correct?

To be clear, assuming they are not, which appears to be the case, I am putting in a bid of 250m.

[Ardwen]

You could have had a workshop as an option in a simucoin initially, noone bother is all, since at least 2 of the old workshop propertis have closed as homes adding a new one seems logical to me.

[Syphaer]

Simucoin properties are no longer being sold, correct?

They release them periodically. As far as I know they haven't stated no more are being released, I think they just do it when Kynlee isn't overwhelmed with other work. No idea how they decide when to do it, maybe just when the coffers get low or they want to throw a pizza party!

[Eodus]

They release them periodically. As far as I know they haven't stated no more are being released, I think they just do it when Kynlee isn't overwhelmed with other work. No idea how they decide when to do it, maybe just when the coffers get low or they want to throw a pizza party!

In that case, my bid stands at 250m.

[Methais]

If you miss the rent for 3 full months in a row, on the first day of the 4th month the property will be repossessed. There is no chance* to get it back after that point, and it will likely be auctioned off at some point in the future. I'm fairly certain it will not be transferable. The private workshop is also bound to 1 character and cannot be used by anyone else.

* Methais got his back once, but I believe they're fairly strict on this policy now. They added a script that gives you a big monsterbold message when you enter the property if you're on your 3rd month without paying rent.

I think the idea is that if you're not actively using it then someone else should have a chance to own it. It's rough though putting time into designing and spending coin on a property just to know that you could lose it at any time.

The thing with my house is what prompted them to set rent to being due on the 1st of every month for all properties.

Before that it was every 30 days, which got pretty annoying especially if you had to travel far to pay rent, only to find out rent isn't due yet and you have no idea when it actually is due and with no warning if shit was about to hit the fan. You just show up one day and your key doesn't work anymore. After like 12 years it eventually got me.

Fortunately Simu agreed that it was a really stupid system.

[Eodus]

The thing with my house is what prompted them to set rent to being due on the 1st of every month for all properties.

Before that it was every 30 days, which got pretty annoying especially if you had to travel far to pay rent, only to find out rent isn't due yet and you have no idea when it actually is due and with no warning if shit was about to hit the fan. You just show up one day and your key doesn't work anymore. After like 12 years it eventually got me.

Fortunately Simu agreed that it was a really stupid system.

Why don't they just implement a pre-pay system or have it drawn directly from your bank account?

[Methais]

It's also a verb... we refer to verbs in caps.

Like "I'm gonna REIM it in her so hard."?

[Allereli]

Private workshops are definitely an option for Simucoin properties. Maybe just no wizards have been buying Simucoin properties?

https://gswiki.play.net/SimuCoin_private_property_(saved_posts)
"And your choice of ONE of the following: enchanting workshop; summoning chamber; shrine to any one deity; transporter item to whisk you to your home; or a fishing area stocked with fish and a cook fire"

ha, I'm too lazy today to read my own pages.

[Jhynnifer]

I believe this was given general Private Property rather than SC Property status because of the private workshop. I don't think any of the SC properties built over the past couple of years have one. I also don't know if the one Riend has that was permified has one.

My property does not have a workshop, summoning chamber, etc...

[Ardwen]

There are 3 classes of deeded properties workshops, homes and mobile. The vast majority of them have no special features beyond being awesome homes ya can locker stuff in and get dinner from.

[InSplrE]

There was also one portable workshop if I recall.

[horibu]

Mairanu,

Can you ask a GM if it has to be an enchanting workshop or could it be one of the other special room types (summoning chamber, shrine, cross-realm, fishing). Also can someone besides the true owner of the house pay the rent for that person (via paying a GM or whatever) in case the private property is purchased by a consortium?

[drauz]

Should make the Dr. Strange mansion.

[Somedude]

I would be interested, if the property could be owned by more then one owner whom any of which could presumably pay for the rent.

[Tgo01]

this is pretty low! you guys bid with no info at all and you guys are screwing the guy for going out of his way.

Yeah really. Mairanu posted all of the information he knew about it and people started bidding on it with no apparent desire to ask questions or seek clarifications. Mairanu went out of his way to provide more details than was even being asked for and now people are withdrawing their bids and shitting all over the property while still maintaining they want to bid on it. If you want to bid on it then keep your original bids, don't shit on the auction in an attempt to make everyone think the property is worth less now so you can get it cheaper.

I think there is a big difference between saying "Selling 10x full plate!" then coming back a few days later and saying "Sorry they aren't 10x after all, they are only 7x" then of course people should withdraw their bids because key details about the item were misrepresented, whether on purpose or by accident.

But if I say "Selling full plate armor, mb 5 mil!" and people start bidding on it then it's on them if they just assume it's 10x full plate.

[SashaFierce]

Both of my private properties don't have workshops in them. Thankfully my Illistim home is like, 1 room away from the wizard guild though.

[rolfard]

Im willing to bet; you cannot downgrade from a workshop, the owner doesn't necessarily have to be the attuned person (you can pick your friend or alt), the workshop takes the place of another "special" option (fishing, etc), and that it's a deal at 400 m considering the Terasian property with a workshop went for crazy silvers (half a bil i think?)

Praise the seller for his tolerance

[Jhynnifer]

I already stated I was releasing the owner from honoring my bid

First, That is not how auctions work.

Second, nothing on the property deed either said or implied that it was SIMUCOIN property deed, which (in my mind) means it has rent like all the other non-simucoin properties. You just get the added perk of being able to design the rooms instead of just food/drink and -maybe- name. Thinking Simu would put a $1,000 valued-item in the REIM treasure pile is naive, at best.

[Jhynnifer]

Both of my private properties don't have workshops in them. Thankfully my Illistim home is like, 1 room away from the wizard guild though.

Also, this... I... I just really want to slap you because of this. Two private properties? Really?

[Grim Reaper]

You could have had a workshop as an option in a simucoin initially, noone bother is all, since at least 2 of the old workshop propertis have closed as homes adding a new one seems logical to me.

As someone who has a Simucoin property your comment of none bothering is not completely accurate as I opted for the workshop option.

[SashaFierce]

Also, this... I... I just really want to slap you because of this. Two private properties? Really?

I won Stone Manor in a raffle, which was unexpected. My Illistim home I won at auction. (Still waiting to get into my Illistim home, so do I technically own it yet?)

I'm open to giving up Stone Manor though, maybe I should make a post...

[MrMortimur]

I believe this was given general Private Property rather than SC Property status because of the private workshop. I don't think any of the SC properties built over the past couple of years have one. I also don't know if the one Riend has that was permified has one.

I put a private workshop in mine. I didn't have a need for the teleporting key so workshop was fitting for my design. Kynlee was great for the entire process. I was allowed to have the workshop attuned to one character, the title given to another, and the deed in my primary's name.

[Syphaer]

Only one character can be the owner, and they are the only one who can see when rent is due and pay rent.

[Somedude]

I kinda sorta can see Crime's perspective as that other guy's bid jumped the price from 220->400 million.

Also, this isn't a basic 10x full plate. An in-game property is slightly more esoteric and unique as one rarely comes up and multiple versions with varying policies for each are attached to them.

As an aside, anyone know if you can get a forge installed in a private property?

[Zaigh]

As an aside, anyone know if you can get a forge installed in a private property?

Nope, that's not something that can be done. Ditto on cobbling station or whatever cobblers use.

[Tgo01]

I kinda sorta can see Crime's perspective as that other guy's bid jumped the price from 220->400 million.

It went from 300 mil to 400 mil. Point is Mairanu never once misrepresented what the property was, basically he's being punished because other people thought it was more than it was and because he went out of his way to provide more details than people were even asking for.

Since this is GS and all and not a legally binding contract of any sort, anyone is technically free to withdraw their bid at any point, but that's generally frowned upon around here and not how things are generally done. But now people are attempting to do some shady shit and somehow pin the blame for it all on Mairanu, as if he had any control over people reading too much into what the property was.

I probably wouldn't have said anything if Crime had said "It's not what I thought it, sorry but I'm going to drop out altogether." Instead he tried to downplay the value of the property and say he'll take it for 200 mil, like it was up to him to drop the price back down to 200 mil.

[Mairanu]

I'm assuming also by that mention of a box from which the rent gets pulled that it can be paid several months in advance also, but I'll see if I can get more clarification from the property guru.

[SashaFierce]

I'm assuming also by that mention of a box from which the rent gets pulled that it can be paid several months in advance also, but I'll see if I can get more clarification from the property guru.

No. You can't pay in advance.

You can not pay for 1-2 months, but you risk losing your property if you don't pay by the 4th rent due date.

[Mairanu]

Well, shit, that's kind of lame.

[Somedude]

Wonder if an f2p can own this property.

[SashaFierce]

Wonder if an f2p can own this property.

No. Per the PP Policy, you have to have at least a basic subscription.

[Ososis]

I do hope that backing out of a 4B deal makes it to the feedback folder.

[Ardwen]

what 4b deal?

[Tgo01]

I do hope that backing out of a 4B deal makes it to the feedback folder.

The guy who bid .4 bil didn't back out, Crime who bid 425 million did.

[Ososis]

The guy who bid .4 bil didn't back out, Crime who bid 425 million did.

Aww, missed a zero. That is who I meant I'm just a mess. High bidder is the ONLY bidder. It's abusive to the auction, people will likely not bid in the same way.

[Crime]

The auction didn't conclude. I backed out of a bid, not a final sale, and for the reasons mentioned.

So all you reputation haters get a grip.

[Crime]

It went from 300 mil to 400 mil. Point is Mairanu never once misrepresented what the property was, basically he's being punished because other people thought it was more than it was and because he went out of his way to provide more details than people were even asking for.

Since this is GS and all and not a legally binding contract of any sort, anyone is technically free to withdraw their bid at any point, but that's generally frowned upon around here and not how things are generally done. But now people are attempting to do some shady shit and somehow pin the blame for it all on Mairanu, as if he had any control over people reading too much into what the property was.

I probably wouldn't have said anything if Crime had said "It's not what I thought it, sorry but I'm going to drop out altogether." Instead he tried to downplay the value of the property and say he'll take it for 200 mil, like it was up to him to drop the price back down to 200 mil.

There's no blame here at all on Mairanu's part, except not gathering the facts, so the blame is on all parties for not investigating further prior bidding. It did jump from 300m to 400m in one "buyout" attempt.

I did overstep myself I'll admit, but it was in the interest of rescuing this auction.

I'm not clear if I should bow out at this point or bump it back to 300m, but probably refrain for the same reasons I withdrew a bid. If the confirmation comes back that there is no rent I'd fight back up to 425m or more perhaps.

[Tgo01]

I'm not clear if I should bow out at this point or bump it back to 300m :)

Since you're not going to honor your bid of 425 mil I think the least you can do is bid 300m. Do it, Crime. DO IT!

[Crime]

Since you're not going to honor your bid of 425 mil I think the least you can do is bid 300m. Do it, Crime. DO IT!

There's an ethical problem with that.

If I bid 300m I would have truly manipulated the auction from 425m to 300m. I'll wait to hear back.

My intent was to put the auction back on track, not to get myself a better deal.

And to re-iterate, this is a Simucoin attached property, why would anyone think it's not under the same rules? Clearly all the first round bidders did.

[Mairanu]

A reply from Kynlee:


Hello there!

Rent collects on the first of every month at 11 PM EDT (10 PM EST). Once it has collected, the rent box will then display the rent owed for the next rental month, and rent can be paid again. Rent can be paid anytime the box shows there is rent due. If the box reads 3x the monthly rent is due when rent is collected and rolls over to the 4x the monthly amount, the box is automatically shut down and the repossession process begins. Your account does not have to be active during these months, as the system does not check it. However, it is your choice whether or not to have the account active to pay rent and retain the property. If the property is repossessed, it will not be returned.

200lbs of storage is the correct about for a rental property with a workshop.

[Crime]

Do we have the option of a workshop, fishing pond, or cross realm?

OH, and do ask why a legendary win from REIM is a REIMTAL property (rental). WTF?

[SashaFierce]

There's an ethical problem with that.

If I bid 300m I would have truly manipulated the auction from 425m to 300m. I'll wait to hear back.

My intent was to put the auction back on track, not to get myself a better deal.

And to re-iterate, this is a Simucoin attached property, why would anyone think it's not under the same rules? Clearly all the first round bidders did.

The bid history is:

425m to Crime
400m to Nosimaj
300m to Crime
275m to Durakar


Nosimaj should have just stopped bidding. The bid would have remained to you for 425m.

The bid should go back to Crime for 300m.

[Tgo01]

Thread: Property deed with workshop

Twat! - Crime

Your words wound me!


If I bid 300m I would have truly manipulated the auction from 425m to 300m. I'll wait to hear back.

The truly ethical solution is to bid 425 mil, but 300 mil is a good start.

[Ardwen]

Jamison did stop bidding, he never retracted from how I read the post

[Tgo01]

The bid history is:

425m to Crime
400m to Nosimaj
300m to Crime
275m to Durakar


Nosimaj should have just stopped bidding. The bid would have remained to you for 425m.

The bid should go back to Crime for 300m.

All Nosimaj did was state his intent that he was not going to bid anymore, he was under no onus to fulfill his 400 million bid obligation because he had already been outbid. Nor was Mairanu under any obligation to remove bids from people who stated they were no longer interested in bidding anymore.

Mairanu is handling this auction very well on his part. I feel bad for him though cause his auction went from 425 mil to 200 mil because he was trying to be helpful and people were using the information he willingly provided to back out of their bids.

[Ososis]

Thread: Property deed with workshop
I do hope you get beaten down like the bitch you are!

Go fuck yourself Crime. I do not feel you should be listed as a scammer, but you backed out of a high end merchant bid due to YOUR misunderstanding of the prize. It's a fact, it should be noted. You think I should get "beaten down" but won't even sign your rep. In full circle summation, Go fuck yourself Crime.

[Richaard]

Property deed with workshop - 275m

[Eodus]

300

[beldannon5]

Well the reason I would think there is rent is due to the fact that someone could pull it with 1000 or 2000 script

[Mogonis]

Thread: Property deed with workshop
I do hope you get beaten down like the bitch you are!

Go fuck yourself Crime. I do not feel you should be listed as a scammer, but you backed out of a high end merchant bid due to YOUR misunderstanding of the prize. It's a fact, it should be noted. You think I should get "beaten down" but won't even sign your rep. In full circle summation, Go fuck yourself Crime.

Cool your roll, man!


Thread: Beluar is a scammer

Just settle your shit down. - Ososis

[Eodus]

Well the reason I would think there is rent is due to the fact that someone could pull it with 1000 or 2000 script

As can one win $300MM with a $2 powerball ticket. A bit extreme, but it's a parallel of chance nonetheless.

[Crime]

All Nosimaj did was state his intent that he was not going to bid anymore, he was under no onus to fulfill his 400 million bid obligation because he had already been outbid. Nor was Mairanu under any obligation to remove bids from people who stated they were no longer interested in bidding anymore.

Mairanu is handling this auction very well on his part. I feel bad for him though cause his auction went from 425 mil to 200 mil because he was trying to be helpful and people were using the information he willingly provided to back out of their bids.

Nope I don't feel that way, and you harping on it and putting your reputation comment just demonstrates your mind set. I leave you to yourself.

What Nosimaj did was undermine the auction. He left a bad taste and really should have refrained from comment that he bid based on something other than what he thought.



Thread: Property deed with workshop
I do hope you get beaten down like the bitch you are!

Go fuck yourself Crime. I do not feel you should be listed as a scammer, but you backed out of a high end merchant bid due to YOUR misunderstanding of the prize. It's a fact, it should be noted. You think I should get "beaten down" but won't even sign your rep. In full circle summation, Go fuck yourself Crime.

There's no scam here, so you are an ass willing to troll anything and anyone. Well done! /applauds

I put the auction back on track, and it's back up there with educated buyers who will be very happy if they win :)

Time has proven my method correct, though certainly not political, and a very short amount of time.

[Ososis]

Cool your roll, man!

Why? If you wish violence on me because you back out on a deal, you should go fuck yourself. It's not a reach.

[Ososis]

There's no scam here, so you are an ass willing to troll anything and anyone. Well done! /applauds)

Yeah, there is obviously no scam. Which is why I am not saying you are a scammer. You are a person who backed out of a high end deal due to your own poor choices. That is all it is, and that should be noted.

[Mogonis]

Why? If you wish violence on me because you back out on a deal, you should go fuck yourself. It's not a reach.
Just giving you a friendly reminder of the neg rep you left me about relaxing when you're clearly agitated in a PC thread.

[Crime]

Why? If you wish violence on me because you back out on a deal, you should go fuck yourself. It's not a reach.

It's a huge reach, the auction wasn't over, and new facts were provided after the start.

This is real world value man, not your juvenile rant truth. Get a grip.

You can argue it left right and center and you're winding up angry and an ass. Repeatedly. I like my comment btw, you're living up to it.

[Ososis]

Just giving you a friendly reminder of the neg rep you left me about relaxing when you're clearly agitated in a PC thread.

That was a bit different since you had no personal involvement in the comments. But I hear your point. Getting upset with crime is a waste of energy.

[Tgo01]

Nope I don't feel that way, and you harping on it and putting your reputation comment just demonstrates your mind set. I leave you to yourself.

What? Me posting your private message to me is demonstrating what now? If you don't want your private messages to be made public I suggest you not send private messages.


What Nosimaj did was undermine the auction. He left a bad taste and really should have refrained from comment that he bid based on something other than what he thought.

Wait, Nosimaj undermined the auction? Not the current top bidder saying he was removing his 425 million silver bid, then stating the auction should start over at 200 million, then bidding said 200 million that he himself set the new auction to be at?

I often see people say they are no longer going to bid, what's wrong with that?

[Ososis]

It's a huge reach, the auction wasn't over, and new facts were provided after the start.

This is real world value man, not your juvenile rant truth. Get a grip.

You can argue it left right and center and you're winding up angry and an ass. Repeatedly. I like my comment btw, you're living up to it.

Lol. Living up to your comment that I should get beat down. Fantastic. Glad I came through for you! :)

[Tgo01]

It's a huge reach, the auction wasn't over, and new facts were provided after the start.

This is real world value man, not your juvenile rant truth. Get a grip.

Blow me. If you had won the auction at 425 million and then the guy learned something awesome about the property that made it worth 1 billion silvers easy, I would expect the guy to honor your winning bid of 425 million silvers and I wouldn't expect anything new on your part. I would be giving him a lot of shit for ignoring your winning bid and starting a whole new auction with a MB of 700 million silvers. This is how auctions and bids and deals work.

[Crime]

Confucius says:

Responding to trolls, brings more trolls!

I'm a criminal :) What did you expect!

I'm glad the auction is back on track!

I WAS RIGHT.

[Tgo01]

Confucius says:

Responding to trolls, brings more trolls!

I'm a criminal :) What did you expect!

I'm glad the auction is back on track!

I WAS RIGHT.

Whatever helps you feel better about this situation. Just know that you're not in the right here.

[Crime]

But I am not wrong.

[Syphaer]

Why doesn't everyone just chill out and let the auction get back on track.

[beldannon5]

While i agree syapher but when has anyone ever really calmed down and got back on track here lol

[Ososis]

Why doesn't everyone just chill out and let the auction get back on track.

Because it just got reset $875. It was "on track" at 425M. Amazingly in the merchants market the community cares about merchant etiquette. But, you are right that nothing will change, crime ducked his bid and the seller gets dick smacked. It is what it is, but what it is is shitty.

[Crime]

And it's Ososis's mission in life to police this thread.

All hail the PC police!

Yup, auction wasn't as expected and I backed out before conclusion, it's true. So what, it would be different if "SOLD" was called.


Why doesn't everyone just chill out and let the auction get back on track.

Awe just when it was brewing to a nice whirlwind of void worthy retribution in game...

Now I'm going to just have to hunt rather than watch my back.

[Tgo01]

So what, it would be different if "SOLD" was called.

What world do you live in where you think auctions work like this?

The proper thing would have been asking the seller if he wouldn't mind withdrawing your bid since it wasn't what you thought, and seeing how awesome he is he probably would have agreed and everyone would have been happy. But instead you decided to take over the auction and start the bidding back at 200 million silvers, unsurprisingly making the 200 million initial bid YOUR bid.

[Crime]

What world do you live in where you think auctions work like this?

Another PC deputy!

Well, in truth, everywhere. It's not over until the Fat Lady sings, you should know that.

[Ososis]

And it's Ososis's mission in life to police this thread.

All hail the PC police!.

Calling a turd a turd doesn't require a degree. Sorry I dared to mention your actions should be noted. If they aren't wrong it shouldn't be a problem. If I offended you, that's still on you.

[Neveragain]

Title should read "Property deed with workshop and drama!"

Nice find.

[Crime]

Calling a turd a turd doesn't require a degree. Sorry I dared to mention your actions should be noted. If they aren't wrong it shouldn't be a problem. If I offended you, that's still on you.

Of course, you are correct :) All my past merchanting experience is now in question. Little fact here, what you are selling sells itself, what you are buying is yours to pay for and you are in control of your funds, nothing is going to erase this, and nothing I did tarnishes a reputable person's pay history or sell history, this is but a moment in time which shall pass.

I am glad you'll avoid dealings with me, at least one success came out of it.

But calling yourself a Turd, now you have my interest.

[Ososis]

Of course, you are correct :) All my past merchanting experience is now in question. Little fact here, what you are selling sells itself, what you are buying is yours to pay for and you are in control of your funds, nothing is going to erase this, and nothing I did tarnishes a reputable person's pay history or sell history, this is but a moment in time which shall pass.

I am glad you'll avoid dealings with me, at least one success came out of it.

But calling yourself a Turd, now you have my interest.

If you stand by what you did, why would it being noted be a problem? Curious.


EDIT

Stop acting like I am saying you should be banned from merchanting. That's stupid. You know its not at all what I or anybody is saying. Stop trying to twist it.

[Wrathbringer]

I like turtles.

[Eodus]

I like turtles.

Turtles are great.

[Mairanu]

Turtles are awesome, I'm thinking of setting up a frog vivarium soon myself.

[Wrathbringer]

Turtles are awesome, I'm thinking of setting up a frog vivarium soon myself.

so you can raise those frogs that produce lsd?

[Richaard]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f1/f4/13/f1f413d6d07912be6080c08b186630ac.jpg

[Mogonis]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/en.futurama/images/0/0b/Hypnotoad.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120516174032

[Ososis]

I lived in a place with little frogs. Never saw them out and about but the door jamb was a killing field.

[SashaFierce]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/en.futurama/images/0/0b/Hypnotoad.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120516174032

That's not a turtle, that's a hypnotoad.

[Mogonis]

That's not a turtle, that's a hypnotoad.
I'm sorry, did you see me claim otherwise? If you must know:


so you can raise those frogs that produce lsd?

BUT YES SORRY IT'S A TOAD NOT A FROG MY BAD +5 CREDIBILITY

[Somedude]

Still say Crime leans toward innocence than guilt here. If the info the seller issued was just a moment sooner than Nosimaj,the 400 mil bidder, would've been the one holding the bag and you guys would've all been jumping on him.

If you want to compare this to how RL auctions work, Sotheby's, according to their bylaws, has a policy to return any and all funds to the winning bidder in the (rare) case that a piece they sell have been discovered to have some intrinsic quality (at the time of the auction) which would alter it's value lower. Not sure about Christie's, but I'm sure they have some similar policy. However, how these auction houses work is that the auction house who sells said piece is taking the brunt of the fallout from a less then advertised piece. In turn, these auction houses would file a lawsuit to the dealer who sold said piece. Their are state laws (state as in nation-states) such as the U.S., U.K., France, Canada, Japan etc. that also further protect buyers under fraud (in the U.S. it's title 18 U.S. Code 47.). Then there are regulatory rules which was developed after the Christie/Sotheby price rigging scandal which adds even more protection for buyers. Anyhow, just food for thought.

[Yesnomaybe]

Crime had every right to sheepishly back out and apologize to the seller. He had no right to declare how the auction would proceed and where bidding would restart at. Kind of lame imo.

[Tgo01]

If the info the seller issued was just a moment sooner than Nosimaj,the 400 mil bidder, would've been the one holding the bag and you guys would've all been jumping on him.

You're absolutely right. The current high bidder is the one who should uphold their end of the deal, since they know what it means to outbid someone. If Noismaj (being the high bidder in your hypothetical situation) was the one who reneged on his bid then I would be giving him shit, but seeing that's not how things played out why should Crime be given a pass?


If you want to compare this to how RL auctions work, Sotheby's, according to their bylaws, has a policy to return any and all funds to the winning bidder in the (rare) case that a piece they sell have been discovered to have some intrinsic quality (at the time of the auction) which would alter it's value lower. Not sure about Christie's, but I'm sure they have some similar policy. However, how these auction houses work is that the auction house who sells said piece is taking the brunt of the fallout from a less then advertised piece. In turn, these auction houses would file a lawsuit to the dealer who sold said piece. Their are state laws (state as in nation-states) such as the U.S., U.K., France, Canada, Japan etc. that also further protect buyers under fraud (in the U.S. it's title 18 U.S. Code 47.). Then there are regulatory rules which was developed after the Christie/Sotheby price rigging scandal which adds even more protection for buyers. Anyhow, just food for thought.

Yes, no one is saying if the seller had committed fraud that Crime should still honor his bid. The seller has been 100% honest in all of this, even to the point where his honesty cost him 225 million silvers in a matter of minutes. Not sure why you think this is a valid comparison to your references to fraud.

[Mairanu]

I'm not honestly even that salty, I figure it's still more money than I've seen before, though I could do without the drama. I'd just as soon get it sold and passed on to someone who could use it, yeah?

[Tyronebiggums]

I'm not honestly even that salty, I figure it's still more money than I've seen before, though I could do without the drama. I'd just as soon get it sold and passed on to someone who could use it, yeah?

This guy is a goddamn saint.

[Tgo01]

I'm not honestly even that salty

Yes, you have been awesome about this. But I'm part of this community and dammit, I AM salty! You won't like me when I'm salty.

Crime could have just withdrew his bid and slunk back into the shadows, but he pulled these shenanigans and kept deflecting.

[Somedude]

I'm not honestly even that salty, I figure it's still more money than I've seen before, though I could do without the drama. I'd just as soon get it sold and passed on to someone who could use it, yeah?

Yeah man, you've been really cool about all this. Probably saying more about your newness than anything, but still you had rights to complain but set that aside to get the deal done. Respect.

[Ososis]

I'm not honestly even that salty, I figure it's still more money than I've seen before, though I could do without the drama. I'd just as soon get it sold and passed on to someone who could use it, yeah?

Probably wouldn't hurt to move the auction to a new thread, clean slate. I don't think anybody would fault you for the housekeeping. I promise I won't muck this up any further.

[Richaard]

I'd put in a second bid if I could afford it.

[Mairanu]

I think you're right, just gonna copy over that first post.

[Tyronebiggums]

Well we're back to a restart of the auction. I'm sorry, but the driver to 400m has clearly withdrawn interest. It's clear the fight to 425m was predicated on perceived value of what this was, which no longer exists.

I'll drop my bid back to my initial 200m, based on a "rent" property and extremely rare availability, and if the facts support a higher value will fight for it again.

http://i.giphy.com/3orifaNy0FJIuOXao0.gif

[Tgo01]

http://i.giphy.com/3orifaNy0FJIuOXao0.gif

Yeah seriously, Crime implying Noismaj somehow made him bid 425 million because Noismaj put the idea in his head that it was worth more than 400 million.

[Tgo01]

Also Mairanu, I don't know if you're in a hurry to sell this because you want the silvers fast but no one would blame you for updating something this valuable a little bit slower to ensure all interested parties have time to bid on it.

I mean you just restarted this auction earlier today and you already have it going twice. This isn't sex, you're not supposed to rush through it as fast as possible.

[Mairanu]

Valid point. I'll step it back to once, since it's only been today.

[Richaard]

This isn't sex, you're not supposed to rush through it as fast as possible.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1678/1541/products/faster-faster-turtle-sex-salt-pepper-shakers-20__92465_1024x1024.jpg

[Allereli]

suggest replacing post 1 with link to new thread

[rolfard]

Suggest not accepting any bid from crime less than 425m. We know he's good for it!

[Tgo01]

Suggest not accepting any bid from crime less than 425m. We know he's good for it!

rolfard has won this thread.

[Crime]

I bid 425m on Rolfard.

[Hoodtralfeck]

if ya not bidding on the item , STFU so the lucky winner can sell it and get rich .

[Velfi]

if ya not bidding on the item , STFU so the lucky winner can sell it and get rich .

You seem to be contradicting your rules with your.. rules... hmm.

[Crime]

I forgo any further bidding on this as it's not what I had thought. Miaranu appreciate the updates and prompt correspondence. Look forward to your next property sale!

Crime enjoy!

This sets precedence mid-stream of the auction. He undermined it by verbally devaluing his inflated bidding. I would have been left "holding the bag" so to speak. Sorry, this isn't the spirit of the auction and as such took action I felt appropriate, even if I did overstep myself a bit, I felt it would benefit to owner to do what I did. In the end, who knows, but I believe returning to 300m worked out exactly as it should have, and has room for more bids if someone cares to do so.

That's how I saw it, knew the flak was incoming, and I did it none the less without regret it.



I kinda sorta can see Crime's perspective as that other guy's bid jumped the price from 220->400 million.

Also, this isn't a basic 10x full plate. An in-game property is slightly more esoteric and unique as one rarely comes up and multiple versions with varying policies for each are attached to them.

As an aside, anyone know if you can get a forge installed in a private property?

Thank you. I know some people like you understand.
It isn't cut and dry.
And it's not over until the transaction is complete.



The bid history is:

425m to Crime
400m to Nosimaj
300m to Crime
275m to Durakar


Nosimaj should have just stopped bidding. The bid would have remained to you for 425m.

The bid should go back to Crime for 300m.

First you negative rep me, then you try to sell me your own property, and then you post something reasonable like this (not sure of the order of that, but it all happened).

I don't know what to think about you. /steeple




What? Me posting your private message to me is demonstrating what now? If you don't want your private messages to be made public I suggest you not send private messages.



Wait, Nosimaj undermined the auction? Not the current top bidder saying he was removing his 425 million silver bid, then stating the auction should start over at 200 million, then bidding said 200 million that he himself set the new auction to be at?

I often see people say they are no longer going to bid, what's wrong with that?

It wasn't simply an "I'm out call". It was I'm out because I didn't understand what I was bidding on.

It was done before auction conclusion, and leaves a decidedly bad taste for anyone that wins over his 400m bid. It does undermine the good spirit of the auction. The action was directly responsible for me pulling out prior final confirmation from the GM's. I simply decided to step back from the auction entirely at that point.

If you don't assign Nosimag's comment/action to inappropriate at the least then you're not being realistic this auction's procession. Had he said that after SOLD was called then it is what it is, however mid-steam is disruptive. That's how I see it and don't regret my actions.

[top shottah]

The moral of this thread: Crime doesn't pay.

[Gelston]

The moral of this thread: Crime doesn't pay.

I feel like I've seen this line for the exact same behavior before, but I don't feel like finding the sales thread.

[Wrathbringer]

The moral of this thread: Crime doesn't pay.

LOL

[Mairanu]

Crime, just stop. It's over and I'm past it, stop digging.

[Crime]

That was not a dig Mairanu, that was a response to what the trolls had to say. It wasn't about you at all.

You've done nothing but be an upstanding seller, and I wish you the best in this grand win.

[Tyronebiggums]

Sorry, this isn't the spirit of the auction and as such took action I felt appropriate, even if I did overstep myself a bit

Two wrongs don't make a right.


I felt it would benefit to owner to do what I did.

Are you fucking kidding me?



It wasn't simply an "I'm out call". It was I'm out because I didn't understand what I was bidding on.

You declared that the auction is starting over. NOT should start over, but starting over, making a comment that 200m was still a generous offer.



That's how I saw it, knew the flak was incoming, and I did it none the less without regret it.

If you have no regret, how about you zip your lip, and we can go on without ever selling you anything again.

[Crime]

Tyronebiggums, I think you failed to read and missed the entire point.

However you do post a good troll.

Thank you.

[Tyronebiggums]

Tyronebiggums, I think you failed to read and missed the entire point.

However you do post a good troll.

Thank you.

That's Mr. TyroneBiggums.

[Tgo01]

That was not a dig Mairanu, that was a response to what the trolls had to say. It wasn't about you at all.

People who point out my jackassery are all trolls!!! Only one guy gets me and he's not a troll!!11


This sets precedence mid-stream of the auction. He undermined it by verbally devaluing his inflated bidding.

Hey, Crime...come closer...a little bit closer...just a bit closer...NO ONE FORCED YOU TO OUTBID ANYONE. No one can "devalue" this item because it's worth exactly as much as someone is willing to pay for it. You were apparently willing to pay 425 million silvers for it therefore it was worth 425 million silvers to you. You aren't making a lick of sense in any of this. Your only possible argument is you were trying to gauge how much this thing is worth to other people so you could try to get it cheaper and resell it to other people, and since the person you outbid stated he wasn't going to bid anymore you saw your profit margin decrease. If this is what you're going on about then I have less than zero sympathy for you. Other than this you aren't making any sense at all. If you wanted this thing for 425 million then it's worth 425 million to you. Who gives a flying fuck what other people would bid on it? Personally this property is worth zero to me because I have no desire to own it, am I "devaluing" the property now? Should the current high bidder at 300 million read my post and say "Shit, this thing is worth 0 silvers! I better withdraw my bid!"

Give me a break.


It wasn't simply an "I'm out call". It was I'm out because I didn't understand what I was bidding on.

Who gives a shit what his reason for no longer bidding is?


It was done before auction conclusion, and leaves a decidedly bad taste for anyone that wins over his 400m bid.

Again, who gives a flying fuck? You're trying really hard to come up with a point but you're failing badly. What is really funny is you're giving him shit for saying he's no longer bidding on this thing (when he was already outbid) because it "leaves a bad taste" for anyone who bids higher than his last bid, and then you turn around and say the property might only be worth 200 million silvers and you made it sound like you were doing the guy a favor by starting the bidding back at 200 million. Are you undermining the auction now because anyone who bids higher than that now has a bad taste in their mouth based on your actions?

But oh yeah, I'm just a troll for pointing out how shitty your actions were.

So let's recap:

Guy who was already outbid states he has no further interest in the property based on the current bid -- This guy is literally Satan.

Guy who has the current high bid withdraws his high bid, decides the property is worth closer to 200 million, starts the auction over at 200 million, starts the bidding at 200 million, states he has no further interest in the property based on the current bid, argues with anyone who points out his actions -- Misunderstood victim who is being harassed by trolls.

I could spend the rest of my life searching and I will never find a violin tiny enough for this situation.

[Gnomad]

Here's the thing about bidding before you have all the info:

Let's say the info came out and the consensus was that the property was worth exactly 425 million. Crime has the advantage: he already has a bid at that amount because he was willing to take a risk. That's the advantage of bidding early when the other money was waiting for more information.

Of course, if the information comes out and you think your bid is too high, that's the disadvantage to bidding early while the other money was waiting for more information.

If you regret the bet, you go begging to the auctioneer to release you from your bid, then deal with the social consequences either way. You don't declare the auction restarted and make yourself the first bidder at over a 50% discount.

People say "I'm out" all the time in auctions. That doesn't mean their previous bids are suddenly null and void. The heck?

[Wyrmo]

I could spend the rest of my life searching and I will never find a violin tiny enough for this situation.

You're not looking hard enough.



Wyrmo, PM

[Tgo01]

If you regret the bet, you go begging to the auctioneer to release you from your bid, then deal with the social consequences either way.

Best part about this is Crime said HE released the seller from honoring his bid, like Crime is the one who has the power to withdraw his bid at anytime and the seller just has to suck it up. This is not at all how auctions work.

I don't do auctions much, and I've never sold anything this valuable, but a couple of times I've had people send me a private message ASKING if I would remove their current high bid and I did. I never once had someone just state in the middle of the auction thread that they were removing their high bid and declaring the auction should start over at half of what their current bid is and then go ahead and bid at this new low.

[Tyronebiggums]

Best part about this is Crime said HE released the seller from honoring his bid, like Crime is the one who has the power to withdraw his bid at anytime and the seller just has to suck it up. This is not at all how auctions work.

I don't do auctions much, and I've never sold anything this valuable, but a couple of times I've had people send me a private message ASKING if I would remove their current high bid and I did. I never once had someone just state in the middle of the auction thread that they were removing their high bid and declaring the auction should start over at half of what their current bid is and then go ahead and bid at this new low.

Because you're not a crazy person.

[Tgo01]

Let's say the info came out and the consensus was that the property was worth exactly 425 million. Crime has the advantage: he already has a bid at that amount because he was willing to take a risk. That's the advantage of bidding early when the other money was waiting for more information.

What really gets me is the bid was at 300 million (by Crime no less) before ANYONE asked for any further information, and that post was by Fromer, who hasn't even bid on this thing:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?107764-Property-deed-with-workshop&p=1927455#post1927455

Then before the seller could come back with more information based on Fromer's inquiry (I actually think the seller provided more information than was even being asked) Crime goes ahead and bids 425 mil to outbid someone who bid 400 mil. No one who has bid on this thing up to this point asked for any further information, but suddenly the auction needs to start over again at 200 million because Crime thinks he was duped by Nosimaj somehow.

[Crime]

Here's the thing about bidding before you have all the info:

Let's say the info came out and the consensus was that the property was worth exactly 425 million. Crime has the advantage: he already has a bid at that amount because he was willing to take a risk. That's the advantage of bidding early when the other money was waiting for more information.

Of course, if the information comes out and you think your bid is too high, that's the disadvantage to bidding early while the other money was waiting for more information.

If you regret the bet, you go begging to the auctioneer to release you from your bid, then deal with the social consequences either way. You don't declare the auction restarted and make yourself the first bidder at over a 50% discount.

People say "I'm out" all the time in auctions. That doesn't mean their previous bids are suddenly null and void. The heck?

You missed the point AGAIN about him saying "I'm out because it isn't what I thought it was." That sentiment showed artificially inflation of the auction value, and made higher bidders feel they got left holding he bag. i.e. ME. Poor show on his part to not wait until after the auction for that kind of comment.

So I was out for the same reason. It wasn't what I thought it was. Bid withdrawn.

Sold was never called.

End of story.



Best part about this is Crime said HE released the seller from honoring his bid, like Crime is the one who has the power to withdraw his bid at anytime and the seller just has to suck it up. This is not at all how auctions work.

I don't do auctions much, and I've never sold anything this valuable, but a couple of times I've had people send me a private message ASKING if I would remove their current high bid and I did. I never once had someone just state in the middle of the auction thread that they were removing their high bid and declaring the auction should start over at half of what their current bid is and then go ahead and bid at this new low.

I do have the power to withdraw my bid, and by saying the owner need not honor my bid is simply a release to let the buyer know to consider your bid withdrawn politely.

One thing is for certain. I'm not forking over my hard earned silvers if I'm not entirely satisfied with the situation. Neither would any of you.

[Mairanu]

When I said stop digging, friend, I meant that hole you're in. You're not gonna come out smelling like roses here, palzo.

[Tyronebiggums]

saying the owner need not honor my bid is simply a release to let the buyer

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ccpybImr1qewmamo1_500.gif

[Tgo01]

You missed the point AGAIN about him saying "I'm out because it isn't what I thought it was." That sentiment showed artificially inflation of the auction value, and made higher bidders feel they got left holding he bag. i.e. ME.

You keep saying this like it makes sense. But let me reiterate again: NO ONE MADE YOU OUTBID HIM. If you felt the property wasn't worth more than 400 million then you shouldn't have placed a bid for more than 400 million. You clearly felt the property was worth 425 million TO YOU. Shit, even after the seller provided more information you still didn't withdraw your bid. It wasn't until Noj's post that suddenly you felt like you were somehow cheated. This is so bogus I can't believe you have been defending this shitty ass argument for this long now. I was following along with this thread and when I read Noj's post no part of me felt like he was trying to screw you over or something, he was simply saying he was no longer interested in bidding based on the current high bid.

Look, you're more than free to act like a jackass, that's what makes America so great. But why can't you just act like a jackass and scamper away like a good jackass? Instead you stick around and insist you were somehow cheated and YOU are the good guy in all of this because you were trying to help the seller by taking over his auction and starting the auction back at 200 million and being gracious enough to offer the initial bid again. These are the words and actions of a sociopath.


I do have the power to withdraw my bid

In the sense that this is all imaginary property involving imaginary money and no laws were broken and no one was cheated out of real money you are 100% correct.

In the sense that this is how things are conducted around here or your actions were morally right, you are absolfuckinglutly fucking with me, right?


and by saying the owner need not honor my bid is simply a release to let the buyer know to consider your bid withdrawn politely.

LOL! Oh oh! You were "politely" telling the seller you were fucking him out of 225 million silvers but to show what a good sport you are you'll go ahead and take over his auction for him and graciously start the bidding back at 200 million. What a saint you are. Saint Crime!


One thing is for certain. I'm not forking over my hard earned silvers if I'm not entirely satisfied with the situation. Neither would any of you.

If I suspected fraud was involved you bet your fucking ass I wouldn't hand over any silvers. But as everyone (including yourself!) has stated the seller has been one of the most patient, humble, and upfront sellers we have ever seen on these forums, so how the fuck were you not entirely satisfied with a bid YOU MADE WILLINGLY?

[Rozy]

I'm not huge fan of the neg rep of "mind your own business" like somehow the PC is just for you and whoever you interact with. That would make it a private chat, not a public forum.

I guess the whole scammer debacle just days ago where the "Buyer beware" statement was made, and the subsequent fallout with moderation just whizzed right on past your head?

Somehow we're all just trolls, though. Poor poor Crime.

[Neveragain]

Honestly shit like this thread is why I never wanted to get too involved with any part of the game. The lengths some people in this community go to is unbelievable, whether it be the allocation of items, attention...etc. The one time I did make an attempt was a huge mistake, I had forgotten how fucking ugly some people are in the GS community and the lengths they will go to.

3 fucking grand for a fake dollhouse.

[Shaps]

Not reading all the back and forth cause it all sounds the same....

But if I had to guess from what I have read.. sounds like the rich folk trying to weasel a good property out of the guy for less than is worth.

Seller.. I say bump it to 400m MB.

[Neveragain]

Not reading all the back and forth cause it all sounds the same....

But if I had to guess from what I have read.. sounds like the rich folk trying to weasel a good property out of the guy for less than is worth.

Seller.. I say bump it to 400m MB.

Without a doubt, looks like the seller has plenty of time to sit on it.

[Allereli]

Without a doubt, looks like the seller has plenty of time to sit on it.

not really, this is the type of project you want to start ASAP. Structure/room design is not easy.

[Neveragain]

not really, this is the type of project you want to start ASAP. Structure/room design is not easy.

How long does the OP have to make use of it? (thought I read 6 months)

[SashaFierce]

Just as a general FYI. I was able to make changes to the property I won at the grand auction.

I submitted my changes in December. 2 months later I was able to see the changes, then it went to QC. It's been in QC for about a month now.

[Gnomad]

You missed the point AGAIN about him saying "I'm out because it isn't what I thought it was." That sentiment showed artificially inflation of the auction value, and made higher bidders feel they got left holding he bag. i.e. ME. Poor show on his part to not wait until after the auction for that kind of comment.How was it artificially inflated? Who was inflating it? (Besides you.)

You have every right to renege on a bid. Nobody here is saying you should be forced to pay. They just think less of you.

I'm curious if you disagree with any of the following:
1. You made a gamble by bidding on an item before all the information was available to everyone, including the seller.
2. Other people didn't bid on the item because they (rightly) did not think it was going to be a Simucoin-level property, but would have if it was.
3. That gamble could have paid off for you if your guess on them item's properties were correct by staking a claim at 425m.
4. When it didn't, you backed out, giving you a risk-free chance to bid up an item "just in case".
5. If you had been correct about the item, you would not have advocated for the auction to restart at 200m, so that other people who were newly interested would have a chance to bid.
6. If you had won the auction, then information came out after the sale was finished that increased the value of the property, you would not have advocated for the auction to restart so that the true value could be realized.
7. Bids are non-binding, but backing out on a bid has deleterious consequences for both the auction and the person backing out on it.
8. A previous bidder saying that they think the item is overvalued has no bearing on whether the current high bidder should honor their bid or not.
9. Mairanu has been a saint about this whole thing.

And by the way, I'm not saying you should call for a restart of the auction in 5 and 6. But I'm also saying that you shouldn't have raced to make a bid without all the information unless you were willing to honor it once the information came out and you found out you were wrong.

[Neveragain]

Just as a general FYI. I was able to make changes to the property I won at the grand auction.

I submitted my changes in December. 2 months later I was able to see the changes, then it went to QC. It's been in QC for about a month now.

Well SF, I don't know about your property, I do know that if a new or returning player came by some of your item sales and your dictator like forum moderation.....let's just say it would not play a positive roll in their decision to continue with a sub.

Don't worry though bro, you're just one among many.

[Crime]

When I said stop digging, friend, I meant that hole you're in. You're not gonna come out smelling like roses here, palzo.

I don't care about smelling like roses on this, I already admitted I over stepped myself, purposefully. I guess I'm flawed like everyone else. Nosimaj would have done the same thing and backed out based on the response from the GMs. Consider yourself lucky I reset the auction for you and drew the flak.

Trolls will be trolls. Everyone has an opinion, just like everyone has an asshole, and I lump this bullshit with the latter.

The comment about the rich manipulating this goes hand in hand with the theory there was a shill working to prop up the price. Both are bullshit.

I think I'll put my silvers towards a new Ducati "monster" and let the responses fall to the wind.

The property is selling for a good price. Congrats.

Carry on Trolls.

[Nosimaj]

I guess when you get called you need to stick up for yourself. With that said, I'm not one to make a lot of waves either in game or on these forums but cutting to the chase based on the events that have transpired on the related thread I believe that Crime is one of the bigger pieces of shit I have come across in not only these forums but in my personal life and professional career.

Let us lay a few things out. Previously, I liked Crime. Maybe I'm naive but I liked the guy. I think he is a great guy to do bandits/hunt with and seems to be a decent RPer. However, the manner in which he has handled himself on this post is frankly disgusting. I would never want to do business ever again with him even for 1 silver.

Every month I deal with auctions in my business. I watch people spend 10s if not 100s of thousands dollars on equipment and other resources. I watch people bid on equipment and never back out of a bid because they know that they can't. They have the option to look at the equipment or resource but sometimes they know very little and they know that it's buyer beware.

Crime knew too but I think he over extended himself. I knew Crime from my gameplay but up until I think 3/11/17 he hadn't put me, Nosimaj, to the player name until I brought it up on Discord chat. Because I knew him I sent him a PM stating 'How hard up for this are you?" He responded in saying "Let's see where the bidding goes No idea if I'll bid more, or back out, but considering 250m is more than simucoin cost I'd say I'm interested." at this point he knows it's not a Simucoin property or is pretty sure it isn't. I respond by saying "Because I'm considering offering a stupid BO." He replies in saying " Depends on my mood, which at the moment you'd probably spark a price war.Nothing wrong with that." I wish him luck and he responds by saying "Don't need luck. I have unlimited resources." At this point I chew on his statements and offer 400MM.

If he had unlimited resources why is he being a douchebag and rescinding his offer of 425MM. I don't think we will ever truly find out why.

All we can say at this juncture we know that Crime doesn't pay.

I'll go back with my bid of 400MM because despite what Mairanu says I feel like someone should make this right. If Crime isn't then I guess I will.

I go back with 400MM.

Player of Meb

PS @Crime don't ever compare us. I wouldn't backout if I'm the current bid. I unlike you acknowledge buyer beware that applies to both watching out for the seller as well as the item being sold. Did you see that option at the GM auction? Hey GMs can we get Crime a BACKOUT verb...We need to put a thread up for seller beware of a new type of player/character that backs out of deals. I would rather be a troll than a bitch like you.

[Pereus]

:popcorn: shit just went up a notch.

[Gelston]

I guess when you get called you need to stick up for yourself. With that said, I'm not one to make a lot of waves either in game or on these forums but cutting to the chase based on the events that have transpired on the related thread I believe that Crime is one of the bigger pieces of shit I have come across in not only these forums but in my personal life and professional career.

Let us lay a few things out. Previously, I liked Crime. Maybe I'm naive but I liked the guy. I think he is a great guy to do bandits/hunt with and seems to be a decent RPer. However, the manner in which he has handled himself on this post is frankly disgusting. I would never want to do business ever again with him even for 1 silver.

Every month I deal with auctions in my business. I watch people spend 10s if not 100s of thousands dollars on equipment and other resources. I watch people bid on equipment and never back out of a bid because they know that they can't. They have the option to look at the equipment or resource but sometimes they know very little and they know that it's buyer beware.

Crime knew too but I think he over extended himself. I knew Crime from my gameplay but up until I think 3/11/17 he hadn't put me, Nosimaj, to the player name until I brought it up on Discord chat. Because I knew him I sent him a PM stating 'How hard up for this are you?" He responded in saying "Let's see where the bidding goes No idea if I'll bid more, or back out, but considering 250m is more than simucoin cost I'd say I'm interested." at this point he knows it's not a Simucoin property or is pretty sure it isn't. I respond by saying "Because I'm considering offering a stupid BO." He replies in saying " Depends on my mood, which at the moment you'd probably spark a price war.Nothing wrong with that." I wish him luck and he responds by saying "Don't need luck. I have unlimited resources." At this point I chew on his statements and offer 400MM.

If he had unlimited resources why is he being a douchebag and rescinding his offer of 425MM. I don't think we will ever truly find out why.

All we can say at this juncture we know that Crime doesn't pay.

I'll go back with my bid of 400MM because despite what Mairanu says I feel like someone should make this right. If Crime isn't then I guess I will.

I go back with 400MM.

Player of Meb

PS @Crime don't ever compare us. I wouldn't backout if I'm the current bid. I unlike you acknowledge buyer beware that applies to both watching out for the seller as well as the item being sold. Did you see that option at the GM auction? Hey GMs can we get Crime a BACKOUT verb...We need to put a thread up for seller beware of a new type of player/character that backs out of deals. I would rather be a troll than a bitch like you.

No, no. Cryme reset the auction. There actually is a new thread for the auction, here let me link you...

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?107800-Property-deed-2-Electric-Boogaloo

[Tgo01]

Consider yourself lucky I reset the auction for you and drew the flak.

Saint Crime!

[Tyronebiggums]

Saint Crime!

Saint Cryme* Gelston coined it, I think its appropriate.

[InSplrE]

"Let's see where the bidding goes No idea if I'll bid more, or back out, but considering 250m is more than simucoin cost I'd say I'm interested." at this point he knows it's not a Simucoin property or is pretty sure it isn't.

Actually, this means the exact opposite, he thought this was a SIMUCOIN property or like it. To say it another way, "geez I can buy the same thing for much less hell yeah I would say I'm interested."

[phantasm]

Not reading all the back and forth cause it all sounds the same....

But if I had to guess from what I have read.. sounds like the rich folk trying to weasel a good property out of the guy for less than is worth.

Seller.. I say bump it to 400m MB.


Seller should start this auction again with 400m MB.

[phantasm]

I guess when you get called you need to stick up for yourself. With that said, I'm not one to make a lot of waves either in game or on these forums but cutting to the chase based on the events that have transpired on the related thread I believe that Crime is one of the bigger pieces of shit I have come across in not only these forums but in my personal life and professional career.

Let us lay a few things out. Previously, I liked Crime. Maybe I'm naive but I liked the guy. I think he is a great guy to do bandits/hunt with and seems to be a decent RPer. However, the manner in which he has handled himself on this post is frankly disgusting. I would never want to do business ever again with him even for 1 silver.

Every month I deal with auctions in my business. I watch people spend 10s if not 100s of thousands dollars on equipment and other resources. I watch people bid on equipment and never back out of a bid because they know that they can't. They have the option to look at the equipment or resource but sometimes they know very little and they know that it's buyer beware.

Crime knew too but I think he over extended himself. I knew Crime from my gameplay but up until I think 3/11/17 he hadn't put me, Nosimaj, to the player name until I brought it up on Discord chat. Because I knew him I sent him a PM stating 'How hard up for this are you?" He responded in saying "Let's see where the bidding goes No idea if I'll bid more, or back out, but considering 250m is more than simucoin cost I'd say I'm interested." at this point he knows it's not a Simucoin property or is pretty sure it isn't. I respond by saying "Because I'm considering offering a stupid BO." He replies in saying " Depends on my mood, which at the moment you'd probably spark a price war.Nothing wrong with that." I wish him luck and he responds by saying "Don't need luck. I have unlimited resources." At this point I chew on his statements and offer 400MM.

If he had unlimited resources why is he being a douchebag and rescinding his offer of 425MM. I don't think we will ever truly find out why.

All we can say at this juncture we know that Crime doesn't pay.

I'll go back with my bid of 400MM because despite what Mairanu says I feel like someone should make this right. If Crime isn't then I guess I will.

I go back with 400MM.

Player of Meb

PS @Crime don't ever compare us. I wouldn't backout if I'm the current bid. I unlike you acknowledge buyer beware that applies to both watching out for the seller as well as the item being sold. Did you see that option at the GM auction? Hey GMs can we get Crime a BACKOUT verb...We need to put a thread up for seller beware of a new type of player/character that backs out of deals. I would rather be a troll than a bitch like you.

Holy shit this guy is a hero.

[Ososis]

Actually, this means the exact opposite, he thought this was a SIMUCOIN property or like it. To say it another way, "geez I can buy the same thing for much less hell yeah I would say I'm interested."

Dude! All your IP's are the same. Stop being a moron.

[Tgo01]

I was actually tempted to bid 425m minutes before this post given that this is a normal auction now and people aren't bouncing around, emotions are stabilizing, and all the information is known.

I did what I felt was right and I'd do it again.

And this returning to 425m warmed my heart :)

In fact perhaps I gave him some more advertising LOL. More Bids!

(for my reason of not wanting a rental, which hasn't changed, I am refraining from this awesome win's bidding).

Saint Cryme!

[Richaard]

I have nothing against the person behind the name Crime on these forum or in the game cause I never actually dealt with them... but I saw this image and had to share cause I laughed out loud literally. My cat was looking at me with a "WTF" expression.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/N4KTzoPsZ_E/maxresdefault.jpg

[Tgo01]

I have nothing against the person behind the name Crime on these forum or in the game cause I never actually dealt with them... but I saw this image and had to share cause I laughed out loud literally. My cat was looking at me with a "WTF" expression.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/N4KTzoPsZ_E/maxresdefault.jpg

lol

[InSplrE]

#ToxicForum
http://25.media.tumblr.com/a85f10b6de644bb6d51d00d8681c5d8b/tumblr_mjimblzg5n1qmtvouo2_250.gif

[RichardCranium]

#attentionwhore

Never change.

[Roiken]

I cant believe I sat here and read this entire thread.

[Tyronebiggums]

Crime's still a cunt

[Gelston]

Crime's still a cunt

Haha, what brought this up? did he do something bitchy again or just memories?

[Tyronebiggums]

Haha, what brought this up? did he do something bitchy again or just memories?

Just memories, but needed to be reinforced

[Mairanu]

lol its true though

[Ososis]

Amazingly, someone who named their character "crime" is a complete fuckwit

[Goat]

We should have a yearly gemstone holiday where we remember the most mega of the megathreads of yore. This one. Repageddon. Sexual Blunders. LOL Brielus.

[Donquix]

We should have a yearly gemstone holiday where we remember the most mega of the megathreads of yore. This one. Repageddon. Sexual Blunders. LOL Brielus.

ahhh good ole repegeddon. confirming years of everyone knowing "I DIDN"T NEG REP YOU BRO" meant "i did neg rep you sir, yes."

[Aaramon]

I was not certain anyone here still remembered Brielus' accidental public thought.

[RichardCranium]

lol Brielus