Human Nature just hit a real low

[Nieninque]

Dont know if people have seen this (I guess so) but shit...

http://channels.aimtoday.com/crime/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20041217/0619836848.htm

http://channels.aimtoday.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20041218%2F1739959539.htm&sc=1110&photoid=2 0041218KSOW101

[Edited on 19-12-04 by Nieninque]

``Someone was wanting a baby awful bad,'' said Sheriff Bill Espey.

Fucking Sheriffs.

[Trinitis]

I say fucking news people. The police would not give out the full name for a reason. Way to tell everyone who they are. Dumbasses.

[Brattt8525]

People scare the shit out of me, good god how much more barbaric can people get?

[Snapp]

I was thinking the same thing Adredrin. I also hope they find the sicko that did it.

[Nieninque]

They did...the second link has the story

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Nieninque
They did...the second link has the story

Okay, that's even more sick. I hope they fry that bitch.

[Jahira]

That is really scary. I hate crazy people.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Been all over the news here, so very sad.

[Fengus]

Thats crazy, thats not even insane asylum crazy, thats spawn of satan crazy.

[GSLeloo]

The thing is she'll probably plead temporary insanity because of the lost of her child and somehow get off.

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
The thing is she'll probably plead temporary insanity because of the lost of her child and somehow get off.

And for that you can thank hippy democrats.

[Soulpieced]

Lousy democrats..

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
Lousy democrats..

For sure. If Soulpeiced was in charge, the peons would never have enough time to do stuff like this, being busy slaving to his every whim.

:yes:

[Edited on 12-19-2004 by Adredrin]

[Soulpieced]

Obviously. I have needs that need to be fulfilled... and chores to be done.

[DeV]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling

Originally posted by GSLeloo
The thing is she'll probably plead temporary insanity because of the lost of her child and somehow get off.

And for that you can thank hippy democrats. How so?

Hopefully she'll get the death penalty because that's what she deserves. It's up to the lawyers to determine that, though this country's legal system has a history of being more lenient towards crazy ass women. That needs to stop.

[Ilvane]

Do you not agree that the woman who did that had to have been crazy?

I would say so. Or rather, hope so.

-A

[Parkbandit]

And people wonder why I am so pro death sentance. It is for these type of people right here.

Plead insanity all you want.. just burn bitch.

[Miss X]

Yeah, I mean heaven forbid she might actually be seriously mentally ill and need treatment. Let's just jump straight in and kill her, since we are all so into being humane.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Ilvane
Do you not agree that the woman who did that had to have been crazy?

I would say so. Or rather, hope so.

-A Yes. I also believe that given the right set of circumstances any person can be driven to do something they wouldn't normally do in their right mind. However, this was a gruesome crime and the details of it are sickening.

She feinted pregnancy for months and then cut another womans child from the the womb without harming the baby in the process. She might be crazy but that doesn't mean she shouldn't be tried just like any other accused murderer in this country.

People could say Scott Peterson was crazy and his actions would confirm that but he got what he deserved in the end.

[Brattt8525]

All I can say is if that was my daughter she did that too, just give me a baseball bat and let me in a room with her. She does not deserve to be tried in court she deserves to be put down like the barbaric animal she is. Nothing but pure evilness would drive someone to cut a baby from the abdomen of its mother in this manner.

[Ilvane]

Espey and Graves said Lisa Montgomery had a miscarriage at some point this year, although they would not say how recently it occurred. Espey told CNN the pregnancy was six months along when the child was lost.

Of the possible motive in this case, Espey said Friday, "I think she was probably going to take it because she had lost one through a miscarriage at about six months."

~~~~~~~~
Yeah, I'd say something snapped.

-A

[Artha]

You don't comfort a rabid dog, you put it down.

[Miss X]

It makes me feel sick when I see such a massive lack of compassion from people.

I met a man last week who kept trying to kill his wife because he was convinced she was a member of the Gestapo. Eventually he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia and was having delusions of persecution. Should he have been tried for attempted murder?

We really need to know ALL the facts regarding the mental health of the woman before making such harsh judgements or decisions. I really hope that if I ever become mentally ill and do something bad, those who judge me will show some compassion.

[Artha]

It makes me feel sick when I see such a massive lack of compassion from people.

I fail to see the compassion involved in killing a pregnant woman and taking the fetus.

[DeV]

What about the baby that doesn't have a mother any longer?

[Miss X]

I wasn't talking about the act itself, although feel free to twist my words to try and prove a point.

I think it was as disgusting as everyone else does, all I am trying to say is that we shouldn't be so quick to judge others when we aren't even aware of the full facts. I'm fully aware however, that some people would prefer to just have this woman killed rather than spend some time working out why she did it and what can be done to help her.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Miss X
It makes me feel sick when I see such a massive lack of compassion from people.

I met a man last week who kept trying to kill his wife because he was convinced she was a member of the Gestapo. Eventually he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia and was having delusions of persecution. Should he have been tried for attempted murder?

We really need to know ALL the facts regarding the mental health of the woman before making such harsh judgements or decisions. I really hope that if I ever become mentally ill and do something bad, those who judge me will show some compassion.

Where was her compassion?

[DeV]

No need to twist words to prove this point. I'm just not going to have any kind of compassion for a mentally unstable woman who committed a heinous crime which involved a *CHILD*.

Did you have any compassion for Scott Peterson? How about a psychotic rapist who goes on a raping spree because the demons told him to or because he was sexually abused as a child. Should we show him compassion also? Hell no. Half of crimes committed these days involve the actions of crazy people who probably need to be on medication or in a padded room but they are convited of their crimes and punished.

[Miss X]

Originally posted by DeV
What about the baby that doesn't have a mother any longer?

Yes, it's so sad it makes me want to cry. I hope the mother had some family that can take care of the baby. It was so lucky to survive, let's hope it grows up learning to cherish life and make the most of it.

[Miss X]

I have sympathy and compassion for any mentally unstable human that commits an act that society finds unacceptable. I'm sorry if that is such a difficult concept for some people to understand, but that is the way I am.

[Scott]

Something may be wrong with her, but does that mean she shouldn't be punished like everyone else? Of course not. Whether you are crazy or not, the minute you kill another person that isn't in self defense, you are a murderer. Most people that commit murder are crazy. I'd say Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, and David Bercowitz, were nuts, but we should help them get better, not punish them for their crimes.....

I fail to see how being a crazy nut excuses you from the same punishment as everyone. That is of course assuming that anyone that commits murder isn't crazy. She knew damn well what she was doing, and she should be punished just like anyone would be.....

[Miss X]

Originally posted by Brattt8525

Originally posted by Miss X
It makes me feel sick when I see such a massive lack of compassion from people.

I met a man last week who kept trying to kill his wife because he was convinced she was a member of the Gestapo. Eventually he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia and was having delusions of persecution. Should he have been tried for attempted murder?

We really need to know ALL the facts regarding the mental health of the woman before making such harsh judgements or decisions. I really hope that if I ever become mentally ill and do something bad, those who judge me will show some compassion.

Where was her compassion?

Do you seriously think this woman was in her right mind and capable of showing compassion at that point? I would guess not. As Ilvane said, she probably snapped. None of us know if that could happen to us one day.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by DeV
mentally unstable woman who committed a heinous crime .

any person who commits a crime is mentally unstable

[Alarke]

So my thoughts on this little spiff would be that i have total compassion for anyone with a mental health problem... BUT, only if they or their family are willing to admit there is a problem and go and get help for it. People dont just wake up one day and think, I'm gonna go cut a baby from this woman and make it mine! This was premeditated, and she had plenty of time to realize what she was doing, and her husband is a dipshit for not realizing something was wrong.

If you were crazy, wouldnt get help for yourself, killed someone very grousomely, and just got help for it, I would think that's about the most unsafe situation you could put someone back in to. What if it happens a second time to her, do you have compassion or is it okay to kill her then?

[Edited on 12-19-2004 by Alarke]

[Ilvane]

:wtf:

I don't think there is a single person here that doesn't feel compassion for the poor woman who died, or the baby who won't have a mother, or husband that is without a wife, or the mother who found her daughter on the ground in a pool of blood.

In this case, from what it looks like, the woman who killed her was mentally disturbed and possibly insane. I'm not condoning what she did, but I am saying that reserve judgement before it is even at trial.

-A

[GSLeloo]

As to the question of the baby's family, on the news report on TV I saw them talking with the mothers father so if no one else he will have it.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Artha
I fail to see the compassion involved in killing a pregnant woman and taking the fetus.
Originally posted by Brattt8525
Where was her compassion?
Originally posted by DeV
I'm just not going to have any kind of compassion for a mentally unstable woman who committed a heinous crime which involved a *CHILD*. Do you want to be like her, or do you want to be better?


Originally posted by Scott
I fail to see how being a crazy nut excuses you from the same punishment as everyone.That assumes I think anyone else should get the death penalty (hint: I don't).

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by DeV
I'm just not going to have any kind of compassion for a mentally unstable woman who committed a heinous crime which involved a *CHILD*. Do you want to be like her, or do you want to be better?
Yes and yes.... and another yes just for good measure. Now ask yourself that question.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm


Originally posted by Scott
I fail to see how being a crazy nut excuses you from the same punishment as everyone.That assumes I think anyone else should get the death penalty (hint: I don't).

This isn't a question about what YOU think. Whether or not you agree with it, it doesn't mean that the she shouldn't get it because she's nuts, which is what I said. Your opinion is that nobody should get it, which isn't what we are discussing. Capital punishment is what generally comes with a crime like this. So again, I don't see why she would be would be excused from what the CRIME carries.

[Fengus]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
And for that you can thank hippy democrats.


Pleading insanity doesn't remove guilt anymore, haven't either of you been paying attention?

[Nieninque]

The problem I have with the mental health stuff is that this wasnt a spur of the moment thing.
This took time and planning.
This was sooooooooo premeditated.
She conned her husband.
She conned her neighbours.
She made them think she was still pregnant after she tragically lost her own baby she was carrying.
She then went out and killed someone (three months later) and cut them open whilst dead and removed her unborn baby.
She then tried to pass the baby off as her own.

Fucking hell.

And along the same line as saying "well she must have been mad to do that in the first place"...couldnt you say that about all murderers?

I feel empty every time I read/hear about this.

[Edited on 19-12-04 by Nieninque]